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Burning desire: A Lewiston mother struggles with her fire-setting 7-year-old

LEWISTON — Raequann Lunt started his first fire almost three years ago. He'd found matches and lit a sock in his bedroom.

He was 5.

Two years ago, he placed his pillow on the stove and turned on the burner. That fire gutted the kitchen.

He was 6.

In May, while Raequann (Ray-KWAN) was visiting his uncle's home, a younger cousin showed him where his father kept a container of gasoline and a lighter for camping. Raequann poured the gas on a stick and lit it. The ground was so dry that the flames immediately spread to a vacant trailer. Firefighters from several departments battled the blaze, but the home was destroyed.

He was 7.

Raequann's mother is afraid of what he might do when he's 8.

"As he gets older the fires seem to be getting bigger, " said Laura Foster. "Eventually they're going to hurt someone."

Raequann has been getting help. After each fire, his mother said, he's spent time in the behavioral treatment ward at area hospitals. Over the past three years he's regularly seen a psychiatrist, a counselor, a case manager and other professionals. But the fires have kept coming.

The family has taken to removing all fire-starting items from the house and stashing any needed lighters in a locked box. Foster and her new husband sleep in shifts — he during the day and she at night — so someone's always awake when Raequann is home. They're getting an alarm for his bedroom door so they know when he gets up at night. But it's all a short-term solution to what is potentially a long-term problem: Raequann likes to start fires.

"He can't control himself," his mother said. "He'll tell you that. He's told the state that. He tells all of his workers, 'I can't control myself.'"

In Maine there is help for young fire setters, but that help is largely limited to assessment, education and outpatient counseling, nearly all of which Raequann's already gone through. So, in desperation after the May fire, Foster typed "fire setting programs" into the Google search engine.

She found the Brandon School.

Located in Natick, Mass., Brandon is a residential program that specializes in childhood fire setters. Highly regarded by experts throughout the country, including those in Maine, it has a near-perfect record of success with fire setters as young as 7 and as old as 17.

Suddenly, Foster had hope.

However, it's not as simple as enrolling him in school. Brandon costs up to $410 a day, an amount his mother can't afford. Since Raequann is on state insurance, the state would have to approve payment. The process for getting him there has been slow, filled with frustrating discussions, arguments, meetings and delays. At one point, Foster said, Raequann's case manager told her Raequann was too young and the program was too far away — the state wouldn't pay. Since then, there have been more meetings, more discussions. Finally, a possibility.

But Foster fears her son's time is running out.

High risk

At first, Foster thought Raequann's fire-setting was a phase. He was only 5, after all.

He'd lit the sock on fire next to his fish tank, saying he was trying to keep his fish warm. The flames were easily doused with water, but Foster wanted to make sure he got the point that playing with fire was dangerous.

"We called the Fire Department, just to scare him," she said.

Fire officials talked to Raequann about the fire, asked him questions, completed an assessment. Their determination: It was not just a phase. He was not a little boy who could simply be scolded out of playing with matches.

Although the fire itself hadn't been serious, they believed Raequann's fire-setting was.

"They said, 'He's at too high of a risk. There's nothing we can do,'" Foster said.

She got him into therapy with a local psychiatrist. For a while, everything was quiet.

Then there was the kitchen fire.

Pregnant with her third child, spotting and experiencing numbness in her legs, Foster had left Raequann and his two cousins in the care of her 12-year-old daughter while she rushed to the hospital. Foster's sister lived a few streets away and she said she'd be over. The kids would be alone for no more than 10 minutes.

But before her sister could arrive, Foster's daughter called. The house was on fire.

"The smoke detectors are going off (in the background) and she's, like, banging on everybody's doors getting everybody to come out," Foster said.

With the apartment building located right behind the fire station, the fire was quickly extinguished. However, the damage had been done. The family would spend nearly two weeks living elsewhere while the kitchen was repaired.

Foster asked that her son be reassessed.

"(Raequann) was even more severe than he was the last time," she said.

He spent some time as a patient in St. Mary's Regional Medical Center's behavioral unit. After he came home, Foster and Raequann's case manager sought more help for him.

"We had tried getting him everything, every service we could for fire-setting," Foster said.

He received in-home support with workers who took him out four times a week, serving as mentors and giving his mother a respite. His family removed all fire-starting material from their house, monitored what he saw on TV and kept a constant watch on him.

Still, they sometimes caught Raequann playing with matches and lighters.

"He could find them anywhere. He could find them outside," Foster said. "There was one time we were out walking and we had stopped at the store. He was right outside while I was inside paying for something. The lady that works at the store, she had just left her lighter and her cigarette out there because she was on break and she went in to ring somebody in. It was just as easy and as quick as that. "

Foster suspected that her son had set more fires than the two she knew about. She started telling her neighbors about him and warning the parents of Raequann's friends whenever they invited him over. He began losing friends.

"It's so hard because he doesn't understand why he can't go over to people's houses," Foster said.

Foster has tried grounding him, tried taking away privileges and keeping him inside. Some acquaintances have told her she should hit Raequann or burn him. Foster has balked at both.

"I'm not going to burn my child," she said. And besides, "He's burned himself before. It doesn't matter."

One day in May, she took Raequann with her to her brother's house to baby-sit his children. Her brother lived in a rural trailer park, had a swimming pool, had kids Raequann could play with. Getting out of the city sounded like a good idea.

"The kids were literally outside playing in the pool one minute ... the next thing I know the two boys are flying in saying, 'Somebody set the trailer on fire!'" Foster said. "I knew right as soon as they said it. I know my son and I know how he is."

In this fire, it turned out, Raequann wasn't alone. The boys at first said a stranger set the blaze. They later admitted that they had done it, with Raequann's cousin getting his father's lighter and pointing out the gasoline.

Foster is certain Raequann had no idea gas could be used to light fires before that.

"As far as he knew, gasoline goes in the car and that was it," she said.

But Raequann was the one who poured the gas on a stick and lit it, so his mother considers him responsible.

The fire destroyed the vacant trailer. Firefighters said the boys were lucky neither of them was hurt — particularly Raequann, who touched the flame to the gas-soaked stick.

A crisis worker interviewed him soon after that fire.

"The lady asked him, 'Will you play with fire again?' He's like, 'No.' Then later on he switched his story and said, 'Well, I can't tell you I won't. I can't control myself,'" Foster said. "Then he's telling the lady he wanted to go back in the fire and kill himself because he's just a bad person."

Why

Children set fires for many reasons, according to experts. The vast majority are simply curious. In fact, fire-starting is so common among young boys that experts estimate 70 to 90 percent of men started fires at least once when they were children.

But sometimes it's more than curiosity. Some children set fires as part of criminal mischief. Others are in crisis and set fires in response to a bigger issue — like one little boy in Maine who set his bed on fire because he was being molested there and thought getting rid of the bed would make the molestation stop. Others have deeper psychological issues.

Because fire can so easily get out of control, the size of the blaze tells experts nothing about a child's motivation — a curious 4-year-old with a lighter can burn down a house just as easily as a psychologically disturbed teenager.

The Brandon School's executive director, Timothy Callahan, likes to recall the talk a Brandon expert once gave to a group of 100 Rotary Club members. At one point the expert asked how many of the men had ever set a fire as a boy.

"Almost everybody raised their hand. And the guy in Rotary who is actually a very well-known insurance person said, 'Well, I set the town forest on fire,'" Callahan said. "That tells you sometimes it's very difficult to figure out how much of this is a stupid kid doing a stupid thing that got out of control."

Only a professional assessment can determine which category a child falls into.

Between January 2000 and June 2010, more than 2,500 children started fires in Maine, according to the Fire Marshal's Office. Those fires caused 14 deaths and 115 injuries, and they cost nearly $41 million in damage. It is unclear how many of those children were simply curious about fire and how many had a serious problem.

In Maine, curious fire setters are handled by parents, school programs and local fire departments that teach small children about the dangers of fire and their families about child-proofing. Criminal fire setters are usually dealt with by parents, police and the court system. Children in crisis and those with deeper psychological issues are referred to mental health professionals, social service agencies and other service providers.

Maine most notably offers the Juvenile Fire Safety Collaborative, a three-year-old program that connects and trains fire and police officials, educators, the court system and social service agencies to assess and work with young fire setters. The collaborative has been lauded by experts, including those at the Brandon School, for bringing together so many groups to deal with fire-setting by kids.

But no program in Maine specializes in the most intense young fire setters.

"Residential is the ideal. Nobody's going to be kidding anyone about that," said Jerry DiMillo, who served as director of the Juvenile Fire Safety Collaborative until the program lost its federal funding. The collaborative is now part of the Maine Department of Public Safety.

DiMillo now volunteers with the collaborative. Although he believes Maine is doing the best it can with the money and resources it has, he said the state simply doesn't have what some young fire setters need: specialized residential treatment.

"I'd like a Brandon," he said.

Help, before it's too late

Raequann is a quiet, reserved boy with large, dark eyes that look at the ground, his hands, passing traffic — anywhere but at the stranger sitting next to him. He's going into the third grade this fall and he loves math class because "you do the work first and then you color." He likes playing games, "but not board games. Video games." He believes fire is "bad."

"Because it can hurt somebody," he says softly.

Ask why he starts fires and he doesn't answer. Ask where he finds things to start fires and he shrugs slightly and looks down. He is not comfortable talking about it.

That, his mother thinks, is part of the problem. No one has ever quite gotten to the bottom of why Raequann starts fires.

"I think he's nervous and afraid to say why he does it. But I'm thinking if he's in the (Brandon) program and around other kids that have the same problem as him, he may open up more and tell them why," she said.

At times, Raequann has laughed and smirked about the fires he's started. Other times he seems contrite and ashamed. Once he said lighters were talking to him.

Although Foster gave permission for everyone connected to her son's case to discuss his situation, his psychiatrist and case manager declined to comment. Tri-County Mental Health Services confirmed Raequann has been treated for the past three years for fire-setting behavior, but would not say anything else.

The State Fire Marshal's Office said it is aware of Raequann and his problem. Officials there have put Foster in touch with the High Fidelity Wraparound Maine Initiative, a state program that connects children who have serious emotional or behavioral issues with a team of people who can offer mental health, social work, education and other comprehensive support. The Fire Marshal's Office is newly acquainted with the wraparound program. Raequann is one of the first children it has referred.

Joe Thomas, assistant state fire marshal, is excited about the initiative's potential to help young fire setters. "You have just about every possible agency, profession, discipline sitting at that table that is going to need to be involved."

But Foster said the wraparound program has no openings until August. And even then, the help it seems to offer is help Raequann's already gotten. He needs, she believes, a residential program geared toward fire setters.

"I just want him to get help before it's too late," she said.

Even Thomas believes Raequann might best benefit from residential help.

"We've got somebody who needs some type of treatment like Brandon would offer," the assistant state fire marshal said.

Foster said that after Raequann's case manager initially told her the state wouldn't pay for Brandon, things have started moving — slowly. A discussion here, a meeting with Raequann's psychiatrist and case manager there. But a parent must formally ask the state to pay for residential treatment for a child, and that requires an application with information from the child's therapist, service providers and case manager.

Joan Smyrski, director of children's behavioral services for the state, said Maine rarely sends children out of state for residential treatment anymore, and hardly ever children as young as 7, because regulations require children be placed in the least restrictive environment possible and the Department of Health and Human Services has found that children do better when treatment is received close to home. Right now, only 14 kids are being treated for problems out of state. But Smyrski said the state takes seriously all requests and would definitely consider paying for Raequann to attend Brandon. It just needs his application.

It's the case manager's responsibility to submit it. According to the state, that hasn't been done.

Tri-County leaders declined to comment on the specifics of Raequann's case, but Executive Director Chris Copeland said there are many steps in completing an application.

"We're doing everything we can," he said. "Obviously, we're incredibly concerned about this young man."

In the meantime, Foster said more meetings have been scheduled to discuss Raequann's situation. The process is frustrating for her, particularly since she believes she may finally have found a solution to her son's fire setting, if only she can get him there — before the next fire.

"My worst fear is if something happens, the first thing they're going to do is say, 'Where were the parents? What were they doing?'" she said.

Next week, Raequann turns 8.

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Jo's picture

Soooo...

How did the SJ get ahold of this story? I'm curious if the mother contacted the press? Anyone know?

RuffRyderGirl's picture

What does that matter....it's

What does that matter....it's a step forward to getting her son help

Brain's picture

Westbrook Fireman

Maybe that's what he wants to be...

Madeleine's picture

Did you read the article, Brain? :(

"Then he's telling the lady he wanted to go back in the fire and kill himself because he's just a bad person." I don't think this is something that this little boy wants to be. Gee...what is wrong with some of you? This is a little boy. I believe that some of you are so desensitized to the hardships and needs of others...that you became a bigger problem than this little boy that starts fires. We wonder why children have big problems...take a look at some of you in our society.

What a rotten thing that you posted, brain. :(

concrete1's picture

To Laura and family...

Laura, keep at it... hopefully quicker than you think or least expect it, the State will step in, or someone who is financially stable will help pick up the tab for your son.
On another note... I feel your pain (having raised a child with severe autism with other disabilities). We have had to put bars on his bedroom windows (with fire department okay), taken shifts because of self-mutilation, etc. We also had help from different organizations... so, yes I know what your are having to go through... an emotional roller coaster. We went as far as going on news to get the word out on autism and that there is help out there, however, there are only three schools in Maine for autism and a waiting list. So with that I really hope that you are able to get the appropriate services and help your son needs before something drastically happens.
Like myself, I commend you for speaking up and hope that you have the courage to let us know what happens (the out-come) of this ordeal. Good luck, keep your chin up and remember there is hope... you and your whole family.
Do not make yourself depressed or discouraged by some of the remarks others have made. You did something that took lots of courage and there are many people who support you and what you are doing. Who knows, maybe others will finally speak up knowing that they are not the only one and will come out of their shell and speak up as well.
Keep up the good work! :-)

yeah right's picture

was in your shoes

i am not putting anyone down and can't believe all the people that are, but years ago i was with a guy who's 4 year old boy was a fire starter. He wasn't in his dad's life at the beginning of it because his dad too was in jail or drunk or whatever. I think it has alot to do with the REAL dad's interest and interactions with the boy that counts. I think if the boy had his real dad he wouldn't have been so bad off. That doesn't mena i think his other dad isn't good enough, i think it's phycological, I have two girls and they have a deadbeat dad and it does hurt a child in the long run, by the way the boy NEVER started a fire when he was at our house, and I don't have a clue why. But good luck on this and I think some doctors just make the problem worse.Also the boy is grown now and not a trouble maker, he makes other bad choices in life but not to hurt anyone.

Jo's picture

RuffRyderGal

If you and Madeline are truly part of this childs family, I can see why he's a balled up mess. Your responses are ignorant, laced with name calling and very rude. I asked a very simple question. Is that how you respond to this child's worker's? Displaced anger will get you nowhere.

I agree this kid should be out of the home; it's just too bad he needs to be institutionalized at age 7, with other's up to 17 yrs old, having "sexualized, severe behavioral and emotional issues" to achieve it.

I wish this child well...

Madeleine's picture

Don't assume the worse, Jo

I am not part of this childs life...infact I do not know him. I remember Laura when she was a child...she's my daughters age. She has been through more than most...and has turned out quite well I am told. :) Good for you Laura. :) Jo, we do not know what nightmares people have got to live through. So I believe that we should try to assume the best instead of the worse in people. If we don't we are just shutting people down. Last month we had a ten year old thast was stabbed to death...today this little fellow says he wishes he could die. This does something to me, as it should to all of you. Today Laura has been put into the hot seat, just imagine Jo if this was you. I bet you sure would appreciate a little kindness. :)

If you haven't any charity in your heart, you have the worst kind of heart trouble. ~Bob Hope

scott's picture

I agree Jo,

the responses from the family are rude, foul mouthed, and trashy. The grammar is horrible as well. Further more, I am tired of my tax dollars paying for everyone's aches and pains. Quit drinking, smoking, and buying scratch tickets and pay for your own kids needs.

joeziehmer's picture

Trashy

You insult others for you're own personal gain and to feel a little bit better about yourself. From what you're saying that fits you and Tired well enough to match and fits neatly into the confidence game you play on here. Just a little bit more not conning but feeling better about yourself.

My2Pitbulls's picture

You know what, even someone

You know what, even someone working a full time job would not be able to afford to send their child to a place that is $400/day! Its nice that you took the time out of your day to say those awful things about someone. Regardless, of whether theyre on the state or not, this woman needs help with her son! Would u say those things if the childs parents both worked full time jobs and were saying they needed help and couldnt afford it?! This has nothing to do with the family, and everything to do with the help this little boy so desperately needs.

RuffRyderGirl's picture

WOW SCOTT HEY GUESS WHAT SHE

WOW SCOTT HEY GUESS WHAT SHE PAYS TAXES ALSO AND SHE DON'T DRINK, SMOKE OR PLAY SCRATCH TICKETS. WHEN SHE'S NOT WORKING SHE'S TAKING CARE OF HER KIDS. AND I WILL SAY WHAT I FEEL AND I'LL SAY IT ANY WAY I LIKE.

RuffRyderGirl's picture

My responses are NOT ignorant

My responses are NOT ignorant when people are posting ignorant comments on here trying to make it look like something it's not when all my niece wants is her son to get the help he needs before it's to late. And his WORKER is not acting like these ignorant people trying to put the blame on the mother.

Tired's picture

This is great. Another show

This is great. Another show about freaks. Thanks SJ!

C'mon people. This kid needs a good old fashioned spanking. He CAN control himself, he CHOOSES not to. This is not a disease. Enough with the psychobabble and let's call a spade a spade. He's being a naughty little brat, for whatever reason, and should be punished. Simple as that. As for the mother, well, thank goodness she won't be bringing any more little pyro's into this world for the taxpayers to feed. I find it hard to believe that she is in no way at fault for her son's behavior.

joeziehmer's picture

Psychological

This is psychological Tired not anything else that can be said or done completely. You say beating a child will work when it does not. This is not about anything other then mental illness and how to contain it in a child. I wonder if you've ever lifted a hand to any child that you had, choking them, and or beating them. You know a few punches here or there just a little bit to loosen them up rather then knowing the consequences?

Tired's picture

BEEP BEEP BEEP - back it up

BEEP BEEP BEEP - back it up there Joe. I did NOT say "beat the child". I suggested a "good old-fashioned spanking", IE, a little discipline. Reading all of this, I'd wager that some solid discipline would do wonders for this kid. Further, I simply don't believe this crap about "mental illness" either. For crying out loud, every person on welfare has some freakin' disease that prevents them from working and this is just an extension of that foolish mindset. All of you amateur social workers have all the answers, yet the problem never gets any better, does it? I just see more and more people collecting a check - because they're naughty, because they're sad, or because they have an owie. The list goes on.

joeziehmer's picture

Laughing

I'm laughing at you right now because that approach does not work without knowing the psychology of the situation. If you think backing off and playing a game with others is fun then anything that we say to each other is in the wind. You wanted to enjoy this and end the mental illness angle because you're not smart enough to comprehend that angle. This is not a foolish mindset it is the truth or we could have what you wanted and eliminate completely any budget for fulfilling mental illnesses simply to satisfy that mindset. It doesn't get better without diagnostics and tests being performed since you seem to think that a good old fashioned reading worked how about a good old fashioned cold read just to satisfy my own justified ventures to probe the psyche?

Tired's picture

I don't get it. How many kids

I don't get it. How many kids and how many sperm-donors? She seems to contradict herself. I'm not asking who they call "daddy". Are all of the children conceived from different "fathers"? To me, that's an important point based on some of the nonsense I read earlier. It DOES matter.

RuffRyderGirl's picture

I hope and pray to god that

I hope and pray to god that Karma hits you low life's real bad and something horrible happens to your family so people can start trashing you guys for real and make it seem like it's your fault. WHAT PART OF HER HAVING A JOB DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. AND SO WHAT SHE HAS 3 KIDS BY 2 DIFFERENT GUYS. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE. THE ISSUE IS SHE'S TRYING TO FIGHT SO MAINE WILL GET THE HELP HER SON AND OTHER KIDS LIKE HIM NEEDS. SHE'S FIGHTING HARD UNLIKE YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO BRING HER DOWN.

Brain's picture

Stephen King material

... for his next book...

Ohhhh The dirty lew has struck again's picture

WOW.... Since I have known

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Tired's picture

GASP!

GASP! None of that can possibly be true! I don't believe one word of that!

Tired's picture

GASP!

GASP! None of that can possibly be true! I don't believe one word of that!

RuffRyderGirl's picture

WOW MR DERRICK BRIGGS I'M

WOW MR DERRICK BRIGGS I'M GLAD YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. FYI HER HUSBAND DOES NOT DO THAT BUT I WILL BE SURE TO INFORM HIM WHAT YOU HAD SAID AND WHO YOU ARE. I CAN'T WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILD SO THESE IGNORANT PEOPLE CAN JUDGE YOU ALSO AND I LAUGH CAUSE IT WILL BE CALLED KARMA

conserva-mom's picture

just as we all thought

This is your mentality?? You're threatening this guy and hope that something happens to his child?? Are you crazy??!! Yup, I'm sure his upbringing had nothing to do with his current state. Stick around long enough, and the truth comes out.

RuffRyderGirl's picture

Sorry to burst your bubble

Sorry to burst your bubble lady cause everyone knows how perfect and a know it all you are but I wasn't threaten anyone. Everything stated in his comment was all lies. Ya her brothers are drug dealers that's why her youngest brother just graduated HS and will be going to college next year cause he's taken a year off to work...oh wait that's right this family don't like to work cause they asking for help for a young child I forgot...my bad....

conserva-mom's picture

nothing burst

I'm far from perfect. I don't threaten people online. "I wasn't threaten anyone." Eventhough you meant to say threatening...I still managed to understand your post. You absolutely threatened him and his child.

"I WILL BE SURE TO INFORM HIM WHAT YOU HAD SAID AND WHO YOU ARE. I CAN'T WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILD" those are your genius words. And, yes, it's a threat.

RuffRyderGirl's picture

No that wasn't a

No that wasn't a threat......If it was I wouldn't have no problem admitting it......Something bad has happened to a child and his family and you low life's are out here trying to knock her down and I just hope that something happens to all you low life's and people do the same to you so all you scum's will know how it feels that's all.

conserva-mom's picture

my comment

My earlier comment wasn't meant as an attack, and I certainly don't wish this child heartache in life. My point was that, for whatever reason, the mother is not equiped to handle her son and I'm glad she's asking for help before he hurts someone.
HOWEVER...to not look at the child's upbringing and family situation is irresponsible. Do not simply stick your head in the sand and say it's all psycological. Poverty and absentee fatherism contribute to ALL aspects of life.

Mac antSaior's picture

Keep picturing Balls of Fury

All right...
I've got something to say...yeah.
It's better to burn out... than fade away!
....no serenade, no fire briggade...just a pyromania!
What do you want?
Come on, sing along!

My2Pitbulls's picture

This breaks my heart, i knew

This breaks my heart, i knew this little boy when he was younger, and he's a good, sweet kid. I hope he gets the help he so desperately needs. Hang in there.

Jo's picture

Well, Madeline...

Your previous responses led me to believe you were a family member, as you purported to have knowlege of this child.

Turns out you don't, so am left scratching my head here. Why the previous vitriol, then?

This is obviously something that needs to be handled by therapy (may I suggest family?), not played out here on a message board.

Considering DHHS states they have NOT received an application for this treatment/placement, and determination has not been made what this child's real needs are, isn't calling the SJ a bit much? Ridiculous. This child is now labelled in public. There should be a law against supposed parents making spectacles of their children. It sounds as though this poor kid is now a walking, talking diagnosis with therapists, in-home supports, respite, etc. etc...

BTW, I threw up in my mouth a little with your comparison to another child being stabbed to death. I don't GET your even bringing that horrific tragedy up...and I'm damned glad I don't.

Madeleine's picture

It's not hard to understand, Jo :)

It's about true love for children. It's about hoping for the best for all and not just for some. It's about extending your hand to another when they are down...instead of kicking them. It's about trying to right some of the wrongs in the world when given the oppertunity. It's not too hard to understand, Jo.
I believe this was not intended to be played out on a message board. I think it was to inform the public that there is a need in this state, that has to be met. I don't believe that DHS doesn't want to help. I think it's about the guidelines that they have to follow. I don't know much about DHS...I've been blessed never to have needed any help. But not everyone is that fortunate...and I understand this. I believe the real problem is that there is no help in this state. The cost for out of state help is astronomical...this has got to be addressed, and I believe this is why Rae's story was posted.
I don't believe this story made a spectacle of any child. I believe that some of the posters turned it into a three ring circus...those that want to condemn inorder to make themselves seem better than others for the day. Tomorrow this story will be gone, yet, Rae and other children will still need help.
I am sorry you threw up in your mouth...but when any child dies senselessly it is a tragedy for the whole community...It is the same for Rae. If he would have set himself on fire that day at his uncles...we would be mourning the loss of this child also. The comparison is not far from being the same. Children shouldn't have to die...especially if we as a community can prevent it.
We are all one people, Jo...perhaps we should all try and remember this.

Jo's picture

Good Post

I thank you for expounding so eloquently upon your previous posts.

However, there are a few points we'll have to respectfully disagree on though, and that's perfectly okay.

Many blessings to you and yours, Madeline. You sound like a good woman...

Madeleine's picture

We respectfully disagree on some points :)

Dear Jo, and that is okay. :) Blessings to you and your family also. :)

Brain's picture

SJ Kinda Story

A few weeks ago it was the kid selling lemonade to cover a mortgage - complete with picture of child. A cheap, easy, and most probably inaccurate story - the new journalism.

Tired's picture

No one would read their

No one would read their crummy rag otherwise, so they resort to a show about freaks to bring in page views for their web advertisers!

roonpower's picture

FireSetter

MY SON ALSO HAD THE SAME ISSUES ABOUT 14 YEARS AGO, WE SOUGHT HELP, I CALLED EVERYPLACE AVAILABLE, I TOOK CLASSES, DHS GOT INVOLVED, AND INSTEAD OF HELPING ME, THEY TOOK MY CHILD, SHUFFLED HIM AROUND THE SYSTEM, IN AND OUT OF ST.MARYS, AND OTHER TREATMENT FACILITIES, IN THE LEWISTON AUBURN AREA, I WAS THE MOST AWFUL 2 YEARS OF MY LIFE, WE WERE ACCUSED OF MINIMIZING THE SITUATION AND WERE THREATENED WITH TERMINATION OF PARENTAL RIGHTS, IT WASNT UNTIL A INCIDENT ON THEIR PART LED TO A THREATENED LAWSUIT BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO GET MY CHILD HOME, I KNOW HE NEEDED HELP BUT WHEN WE ASKED THE ONLY HELP WE GOT MEANT LOSING OUR SON, HE HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER BE THE SAME SINCE COMING HOME, HE CLAIMS HE WAS MOLESTED BY OTHER CHILDREN WHO WERE THERE FOR SEXUAL ISSUES.. LONG STORY SHORT MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, I KNOW HOW LONG AND HARD OF A ROAD THIS WILL BE FOR YOU.. I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING WITH TRI COUNTY AND OTHER AGENCIES FOR HELP, JUST BE CAREFUL AND SLEEP WITH ONE EYE OPEN, ALOT OF TIMES THESE STATE AGENCIES ARE NOT ALL THEY ARE CRACKED UP TO BE, I AM ALSO HAPPY TO SAY THAT MY CHILD IS NOW 20 HE HAS BEEN HOME FOR 9 YEARS, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT SINCE HE HAS BEEN HOME.. IF YOU EVER NEED A SHOULDER PLEASE KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WILL GIVE YOU ONE!!

Jo's picture

What worked?

What, in your opinion, irradicated the fire setting behavior?

Jo's picture

OOps, I meant eradicated

I meant to ask what eradicated that behaior, nor irradicated. That's what I get for reading an article on irradiated veggies the same time as this board :).

conserva-mom's picture

Do you kiss yo mama with that mouth?

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Madeleine's picture

Conserva-mom?

This is about a seven year old child. You are making this about his family. Wow. It really doesn't matter how Rae got to where he is, or his mother's potty mouth...it's about protecting Rae and others from dying in a fire. What is so hard to understand? Are you saying that if a child is from a disfunctional home or has potty mouth parents we should kick the child to the curb?

I don't believe or feel this way. It makes me want to reach out to this child all the more. We have had a child die in Caribou, and a child that just died in Amity...should we feel less compassion for these children because their parents didn't meet our standards? This story is not about who we should blame...it's about having no existing help in this state for children that are pyromaniacs. As far as this mother being in Kennedy Park...so are hundreds of other families. Perhaps they live down town. Do we judge people for taking their children to the park for goodness sake? Are we now the judges of what parks peiople should frequent?

We need help for these children, affordable help. I believe that our greatest concern is to keep this child alive and well, giving him the help he needs to lead a good and productive life....I'd hate to open the newspaper tomorrow morning and see that Rae set himself on fire. I believe this should be everyones concern.

ajg1959's picture

Do ya think both sides of this could just be right?

Is it possible that the child may have a legitimate mental problem? I mean, it is not uncommon.

And is it not also possible that he doesnt have the best home environment in the world also?

I had stayed out of this because I felt like it was none of my business. But after further thought, and reading the comments on here, I feel like its everyone's responsibility to intervene when a child is hurting, even if that just means calling DHHS.

I really do hope that the child gets to go away for help. It appears that his parent/parents cant handle him right now. While he is gone, I hope the mother will get some help so that she can provide a better home when he returns.

As far as the hateful comments about state aid......the aid is there to help families like this. But, I do think it is the responsibility of the parent/parents to use the aid wisely as a means to better themselves, so that they dont need the aid down the road. Food Stamps, TANF, ect is meant to be temporary, not a lifetime thing.

But for right now, I dont begrudge her the help. And anybody with an ounce of compasion should feel the same way. I am more concerned with them finding the help they need, because it sounds like its gonna take an awful lot of healing.

We all need help healing sometimes.

Madeleine's picture

I believe this certainly is a possibility

I agree fully ajg1959, Great post btw. :)

conserva-mom's picture

Madeleine

Mad, If you read any of my earlier posts, you would indeed notice that I wouldn't begrudge this child treatment. He indeed needs it! I say help him now before he hurts himself or someone else! Absolutely.
My point is more of a nature vs. nurture. He can "go away" for all the help in the world, but when he comes home, what environment is he coming back to? A healthy one? A helpful one? To ignore the role environment plays in incidents like this is foolish.

conserva-mom's picture

oh, and btw

Btw, I worked at Kennedy Park pool for many, many years and have seen many, many things that would make your hair curl. Want your child to grow up healthy, happy, and safe? Bring them someplace to play that is healthy, happy, and safe...that place is none of those.

Madeleine's picture

I believe you have

I believe you have seen much. I have worked with children most of my life and I could tell you stories that would curl your hair also. Most of these children were from affluent families. My husband and his family lived on Knox Street years ago. During the sixties and seventies, Kennedy park was probably at it's worst. My inlaws never recieved a dime of state aid.

My in-laws were hard working people. Their children attended Catholic school, and all went on to college. :) Today some of them work out of state and some work in the state of Maine, all have done extremely well for themselves...all of them played at Kennedy Park. I've been married to this man that played in Kennedy Park for thirty-one years this coming August. :)

People that have no car, and perhaps live in town, haven't many choices. Those that work in the park have the greatest opportunity ever. They can make a difference in a childs life. I believe we all can. I am posting a link about a teacher that judged a child by his behavior...she was wrong. Hopefully if enough people see this little video, people will stop judging and start making a difference. :) Today Rae needs help, he is a pyromaniac. There is no help in this state. I hope this will change.

http://www.makeadifferencemovie.com/org01/

DWilson's picture

From the article, this began

From the article, this began as a typical child playing with matches case. As Veritas pointed out the human species has a long and natuaral relationship with fire. This went wrong almost immediately when instead of disciplining the child who stated he was trying to keep his fish warm which is also an understandable explaination for a child of this age and consistant with the location of the sock fire, the mother tells the the boy he can not control himself and takes him to the fire department. She then insists on theapists, psychiatrists and in home support. Instead of disciplinary action the young man is showered with attention, trips here and there, mentors, gifts and every conceivable reward. He has his mother, a fireman, therapist and psychiatrist telling him he cannot control himself. Candiceanne was deadon yesterday morning in her early assessment. This boy learned that he could use "not being able to control himself" to control everyone around him. It has now reached critical mass and we have learned a lot about this entire family from the mother, aunt, other family members and lifelong friends and the picture and outlook is not good for any of the children to remain in this home. I should hope that there will be a lot of calls to DHS in the coming days for the sake of these children. I aam particularly concerned as well that the mother sought ought coverage for this story in which she include her name, the names of her children and their likenesses (photos) in the article itself and even more personal information in ongoing comments. She has placed her children at great rusk of oustrisization and retaliation at school and in the community, endangered their housing and stigmatized them for life by her actions.

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Madeleine's picture

DWilson?

Please reread your comment? Are you for real? I believe Candiceanne has family and life long friends, teachers, neighbors and aquaintances that believe that she was much less than an ideal mother. I believe those nine children feel that way also. I am sure there are people that feel the same way about you. Though I do not know you, I have met others that speak as the two of you do. You both display unwarranted self-importance.

This is not about what the two of you think happened or should happen... it's about Rae and those that know how to treat pyromaniacs. It's about getting some sort of treatment center in our own state. Retaliation? Have you lost your mind, sir? This mother is trying to get help for her child, and by making it public she has opened the door for others to come forward that are going through the same thing. Hopefully they will open a treatment center, and name it after Rae.

DWilson and Candiceanne let me guess, you both belong to the Harper Valley PTA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZPBUu7Fro

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