N. Mitchell: Beware the lies from big wind

The residents of Dixfield, Canton and Carthage should be skeptical when they read the propaganda put forth by the multimillion-dollar corporations of big wind that are ruining Maine’s mountains for subsidies and tax breaks.

They will say that others spout lies about what they are up to when they try to buy the towns’ support with things like gifts to the snowmobile clubs, the school and donations to local businesses.

All they have done is try to buy support with short-term, temporary spending.

What they will do for the towns is destroy our way of life, our economy, our views and our property values, and put our heath at risk — all to get their hands on our hard-earned tax dollars.

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Residents should check and see what big wind did for towns such as Freedom and Mars Hill, and remember the propaganda tactics of other large, multimillion-dollar companies that sold the public things such as tobacco, asbestos and lead paint.

They were just like big wind — they minimized the health risks and told people they were safe and there was no proof of risk; just like big wind, they said we were overreacting.

We must not be taken in and make the same mistakes. Do we need to have millions of sick children, high tax burdens and high electric bills (like Europe) before we awaken to the false promises of big wind?

Norman Mitchell, Dixfield

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The Fact that Wind Power Doesn't Work

Mr. "Give Me Facts" Theriault:

This just in, now that all data for projects is available on the FERC website. Look at the capacity factors for Maine wind projects for second quarter 2012:

Mars Hill: 29.75%
Stetson I: 15.64%
Stetson II: 17.84%
Kibby: 20.25%
Rollins: 22.34%
Record Hill: 22.57%

More proof that wind power doesn't work. Not only is the capacity factors low for total output, but remember, it is unpredictable, unreliable generation.

I don't know about anyone else, but I would never buy an appliance for my home that worked less than 30% of the time!

Jason Theriault's picture

Fact!

Writing fact in your subject line doesn't make what you say a fact

 's picture

fact

Power Used by the Turbine (Parasitic Power)

Parasitic power is the power used by the wind turbine itself. During spring, summer and fall it is a small percentage of the wind turbine output. During the winter it may be as much as 10-20 % of the wind turbine output. Much of this power is needed whether the wind turbine is operating or not. At low wind speeds, the turbine power output may be less than the power used by the turbine; the shortfall is drawn from the grid.

Below is a representative list of equipment and systems that require electric power; the list varies for each turbine manufacturer.

- rotor yaw mechanism to turn the rotor into the wind

- blade pitch mechanism to adjust the blade angle to the wind

- lights, controllers, communication, sensors, metering, data collection, etc.

- heating the blades during winter; this may require 10%-20% of the turbine's power

- heating and dehumidifying the nacelle; this load will be less if the nacelle is well-insulated.

- oil heater, pump, cooler and filtering system of the gearbox

- hydraulic brake to lock the blades when the wind is too strong

- thyristors which graduate the connection and disconnection between turbine generator and grid

- magnetizing the stator; the induction generators used to actively power the magnetic coils. This helps keep the rotor speed constant, and as the wind starts blowing it helps start the rotor turning (see next item)

- using the generator as a motor to help the blades start to turn when the wind speed is low or, as many suspect, to create the illusion the facility is producing electricity when it is not, particularly during important site tours. It also spins the rotor shaft and blades to prevent warping when there is no wind.

Jason Theriault's picture

FACT

Every power plant requires power to operate. Be it coal, nuclear, gas, biomass. So every plant uses power off the grid. How about this - show me the net power generation over a year, then we can talk real numbers.

 's picture

It's alright when the wind don't blow

Obviously, there are times the turbine requires electricity from the grid for operation. With a power purchase agreement that can bring a developer 3 times the market price of electricity, why not use grid power at market price to move the blades enough to generate electricity back to the grid and get 3 times your money back.

 's picture

It's alright when the wind don't blow

Obviously, there are times the turbine requires electricity from the grid for operation. With a power purchase agreement that can bring a developer 3 times the market price of electricity, why not use grid power at market price to move the blades enough to generate electricity back to the grid and get 3 times your money back.

 's picture

facts

http://www.windaction.org/faqs/35658

read about PTC is a tax

 's picture

PTC and Renewable Portfolio Standard

The way I read it , the author is saying the State of Maine has a law, in place, that will allow the wind developers to regain the 2.2 cents per kilowatt if the PTC is ditched. The law is called " The Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS)" and our Public Utilities Commission is very much involved with the RPS. And the people who will pay the regained 2.2 cents per kilowatt are the electric consumers, the ratepayers, the people the PUC is supposed to be benefiting by securing lowest possible costs.

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INFRASOUND, WHICH IS LOW FREQUENCY NOISE

INFRASOUND , LOW FREQUENCY NOISE
There are several factors relevant to low frequency noise propagation and its perception which need to be borne in mind:
· Mid and high frequency noise is attenuated by propagation through the
atmosphere and also by attenuation due to its passage over acoustically
soft ground such as grass land. Low frequency noise does not benefit
to the same extent from either of these effects. This means that as a
sound travels, its frequency content alters making the low frequencies
more prominent at greater distances.
· For people inside buildings with windows closed, this effect is
exacerbated by the sound insulation properties of the building
envelope. Again mid and high frequencies are attenuated to a much
greater extent than low frequencies. Thus the frequency content again
alters emphasising still further the low frequency content.
· Resonance can be set up inside a room with nodes (quiet points) and
anti-nodes (loud points). The number and position of these nodes and
anti-nodes will depend on the specific room dimensions and the
frequency of the noise. The consequence is that the room resonances
can cause elevated levels of low frequency noise at points within a
room.

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INFRASOUND

Everywhere these industrial sized wind turbines have been installed the presence of infrasound is detectable. Some of the problems associated when humans detect infrasound.................
As with any noise, reported effects include annoyance, stress, irritation, unease,
fatigue, headache, possible nausea and disturbed sleep.
As people’s hearing sensitivity varies from one individual to another it is often the case that a low frequency noise can be heard by one person and not by another. Consequently it may annoy one person but not the other. This feature can
sometimes mean that the person who is annoyed can also feel isolated.
Low frequency noise is sometimes confused with vibration. This is mainly due to the fact that certain parts of the human body can resonate at various low
frequencies.

See more...........http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/158512/0042973.pdf

Jason Theriault's picture

Wow, then...

Wow, then everyone near Niagara Falls must be dead and dying. That must be why there is a Superfund site at Love Canal, because of all the infrasound. I mean, if a wind turbine can cause resonance, then the sheer amount comming from Niagara Falls could shatter bones!

But you did get one point... It's all about annoyance. Someone can be annoyed by anything, and that can cause health effects. Flickering lights, ultra-infrasonics, em fields from the smart meters(woops, wrong argument). But studies have shown(see my link) that the person is sensitive to it because they are already annoyed at the wind turbine.

So you don't like wind turbine, and so you "start" feeling ultra-sonic infra beams and flickering strobe blades. To prove my point - every one of the strong opposition voices in this discussion lives near a wind turbine. Your not against wind turbines because they aren't economically viable, or are a bad idea, or cause infrasonic noise. You're against them because they are in your back yard, and you don't want them there.

And I see your report from 2001, and raise you a study from 2012 by Massachusetts
http://www.mass.gov/dep/energy/wind/turbine_impact_study.pdf

 's picture

Test first, then identify

From the study cited : ". Identify and characterize attributes of concern (e.g., noise, infrasound, vibration, and light
flicker) and identify any scientifically documented or potential connection between health
impacts associated with wind energy turbines located on land or coastal tidelands that can
impact land-based human receptors"
In order to "identify" an attribute such as infrasound, a detection device must be used which leads to data that either finds it to exist or not. Stop the arguments and start the testing.

Jason Theriault's picture

"In order to "identify" an

"In order to "identify" an attribute such as infrasound, a detection device must be used which leads to data that either finds it to exist or not. Stop the arguments and start the testing."

Infrasound isn't some sort of mystical energy. It is sound lower than 20 hertz. The detection device, called a microphone, has been used.

And it's funny how you got one page into the report. To bad you didn't make it to their findings:
"Claims that infrasound from wind turbines directly impacts the vestibular system have
not been demonstrated scientifically. Available evidence shows that the infrasound levels
near wind turbines cannot impact the vestibular system."

 's picture

Norman, if your letter gets

Norman, if your letter gets just a few people to do their homework, then you have succeeded. Thank you.

Steve  Dosh's picture

N. Mitchell: Beware the lies from big wind

Norm ? 2 pm hst •
"What they will do for the towns is destroy our way of life, our economy, our views and our property values, and put our heath at risk — all to get their hands on our hard-earned tax dollars. " . . ....and that's a lie
Become more informed --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Maine <--
Alo'ha from Pahoa , HI ( geothermal powered here ) /s, Steve

Norman Mitchell's picture

Wikipedia ?

you do know that anyone can post stuff on Wikipedia right FYI There is no shortage of Electricity! Maine has 4300 Megawatts of Electric generation Capacity we only use 1500 Megawatts if fact wind power cost as much as 3 times current power your electric rate will likely increase!
Wind power will not get us off oil or coal less than 2% of electricity in Maine and the US is from Oil Natural gas provides about 50% of Maine’s electricity with no particulate emissions and half the CO2 of coal. Coal is only ½ of 1 % of Maine Electric Power
Wind Power in Maine will have no impact on CO2 windmills built on 300 miles of Maine Mountain’s would only reduce co2 output in US by less than Four one hundredths of one percent 0.04% become more informed about the issue before you spout your propaganda !!!!

 's picture

Norman, you couldn't be more right

Good case of corporate bribery.

Steve  Dosh's picture

Jon , 14:05 HST • Monday

Jon , 14:05 HST • Monday
We usually agree on stuƒƒ . In this case, , global climate change is real and we need to stop it if only for our grand kids' sake :)
10,000 N A S A scientists probably aren't wrong http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
C02 causes it . b t w - communist China brings a new soft coal powered electric plant on line every two weeks
There is no http://www.epa.gov in China • It's also called the greenhouse effect . .. /s Steve

 's picture

I'm not denying the human contribution to climate change.

Quite the opposite. We are doing it and it will do great damage to our civilization. The NASA scientists are not wrong. There is no clean coal. Coal kills. 700,000 people a year die in China from air pollution. Oil kills. Natural gas kills. We need to find ways to reduce or eliminate our carbon contribution without killing ourselves in the bargain.
Wind power in the right place and circumstances is one of those possible solutions. Not in rural Maine; not with government subsidies that do not reguire performance. Not with politically connected folks more interested in private gain than public benefit. Not where private property is sacrificed for someone else's private gain. The devil is in the details.

 's picture

Wind justifies what we really want

Germany and China : two of the current wind energy facility construction leaders. Germany even did away with their nuclear. Oh, by the way, Germany and China lead the world in installation/reliance on coal fired plants. I guess it's just human nature to want their electricity and, if, to be reliable, it means an evil polluter, than throw up as many wind mills and we will feel better.

Norman Mitchell's picture

Climate Change LOL !!!

FYI There is no shortage of Electricity! Maine has 4300 Megawatts of Electric generation Capacity we only use 1500 Megawatts if fact wind power cost as much as 3 times current power your electric rate will likely increase!
Wind power will not get us off oil or coal less than 2% of electricity in Maine and the US is from Oil Natural gas provides about 50% of Maine’s electricity with no particulate emissions and half the CO2 of coal. Coal is only ½ of 1 % of Maine Electric Power
Wind Power in Maine will have no impact on CO2 windmills built on 300 miles of Maine Mountain’s would only reduce co2 output in US by less than Four one hundredths of one percent 0.04% become more informed about the issue before you spout your propaganda !!!! get an education Try http://www.globalwarminglies.com/

 's picture

Couldn't agree more,

These are among the details that make wind power uneconomical and impractical in rural Maine

 's picture

The Production Tax Credit (

The Production Tax Credit ( PTC )granted to every wind project that delivers grid scale electricity was supposed to be a short term monetary aid to enable wind energy facilities to enter the market place. It has now been 20 years plus as we await wind energy facilities to make it and they won’t need the pretax 3.7 cents per kilowatt-hour of taxpayer money to stay alive. The wind industry has reached maturity and plain old common physics proves it. It doesn’t matter how much money is granted the industry, it was not and never will be equal in reliability and costs to hydro, natural gas-fired, coal, nuclear, biomass.

Gary Steinberg's picture

Just a few Facts

There is still plenty of time to join and network with others who are impacted by the Rollins wind turbine sprawl. www.rollinslawsuit.org.

In Mars Hill 17 lawsuits were settled with aggrieved property owners with one big suit still pending. Of course, there are gag orders so noboby can say what the settlements were.

In New York a wind company offered nearby homeowners "noise machines" to drown out the wind turbine whooshing and pulsing which kept them from sleeping. Those people are forced to sue for damages from a company who recognizes their turbines are a problem and offered a solution which is not only insulting but adds to the problem.

In Australia a wind developer was ordered to purchase eleven homes which a judge deemed unlivable after the turbines began operation.

There is widespread acceptance that complaints from turbines are real and monetary damages are being awarded.

The site is www.rollinslawsuit.org. It may be well worth your time.

Thank you.

Norman Mitchell's picture

Finachel compensation

At the Jul 23 2012 Dixfield selectman's meeting Tom Caroll of patriot renewable s LLC by his own admission agreed that people with complaints are not paid off they are financially compensated !! I think he likes to play word games like all propagandist !!

Jason Theriault's picture

So...

The only fact I see is there are lots of people suing other people.

Or, as I like to call it, Monday in America.

And thats fine. If you can prove damages to a judge, then you should be able to get recovery.

But that doesn't mean wind power is bad or anything.

 's picture

fact 25% capacity

http://www.rocks.org.hk/activity2009/Capacity_factor%5B1%5D.pdf
. & 2009ElsevierLtd.Allrightsreserved For two decades now,the capacity factor of windpower measuring the average energy delivered has been assumed in the30–35%range of the name plate capacity. Yet,the mean realized value for Europe over the last five years is below21%; accordingly private costis two-third higher and the reduction of carbon emissions is 40% less than previously expected.

Jason Theriault's picture

Did you even read it?

Just read that. Very interesting.

First off, the author even admits that the United States is a different category all together. He put the United states at 26% instead of the 34% that alot of politicians use in the EU.

SO, what it boils down to is that EU estimates were over generous. Not that estimates over here are bad.

Jason Theriault's picture

Lost perspective.

Once you start calling the other side's arguments "Propaganda", I write you off. You have lost the argument.

Use facts next time, or just stay quiet.

 's picture

Facts

First, call it what you wish, propaganda, lobbying, masterfully deceitful marketing, etc. The American public got just one side of the story regarding wind power for more than 20 years. Now, regular citizens and experts in every field have discredited the myths that the wind industry and their supporters have relentlessly put forth. It is why now the wind developers can only natter about jobs and try to cloak the influx of money based on taxpayer funding as economic development. There are scant full time jobs gained from an industrial wind site (usually 4-6) and there are many more public infrastructure jobs for which we could spend tax dollars for construction jobs rather than feed the wind industry.

Second, you want facts: here are two very salient ones relating to the Rollins Project, which I know very well. It has been on-line now for a year. According to reports to the FERC website, the project operates at 24% capacity and that figure includes the "windiest" times of the year. This is public information if one knows where to find it. On December 29, 2011 just in time for the close of books for the year, First Wind received $53.2 million of ARRA Section 1603 funds. Again, public information. This is a payment of taxpayer dollars for 30% of the Rollins construction costs.

Third, does anyone think that a $177 million project producing a fickle 24% of its capacity can ever pay for itself over it's lifespan which is likely 15 years in Maine weather? Not without subsidies and mandates. Meanwhile, hundreds of people have been victimized by negative impacts on their health and well being as well as decreased property values as the sprawling industrial wind site dominates 7 miles of blasted away, leveled, and scalped ridges with 40 turbines that are 389 feet tall.

Fourth, these are facts regarding one medium sized industrial wind site. The heinous "wind law", PL 661, states the goal of 2700 MW of installed capacity of wind power in Maine by 2020. That will mean 45 more projects of the scale of the Rollins project, costing taxpayers and ratepayers more than $5 billion and destroying up to 350 miles of Maine's uplands. All for about the same amount of electricity we can derive from one combined cycle natural gas plant like Calpine in Westbrook. This trade-off simply is not worth sacrificing Maine's vaunted "Quality of Place" for such a boondoggle.

Gary Steinberg's picture

Not Vitriol, Just Facts- Darn , Those Pesky Facts!

"The Wind Cartel"(LePage quote), Maine at work.

Defy laws, defy citizen concerns, cost , environmental damage, noise, illegal takings, and anything in their way.The reason is , Maine was bought and perverted by the Expedited Wind Law of 2008 and the corrupt wind lobby.
Scoundrels like Angus King now wish to shove the knife in deeper by pushing for more subsidies if he is elected senator.
King epitomizes the self - serving nature of wind developers.

It is Obama crony-capitalism at its worst.

Wind in Maine has nothing to do with the general good or power generation.

It is a failed fad world wide. It is all about subsidy scamming green fadism.

It is all about getting subsidy money from the Obama administration.

It is an Enronesque and Solyndresque plan, that will economically and environmentally kill the state for decades to come, unless it is stopped now.

Mr. LePage, Do Something please!

It will kill business development with increased costs to all,long term.

Jason Theriault's picture

Losts of adjectives, no facts

Please point to the "facts".

Norman Mitchell's picture

Facts

Patriot Renewables LLC, made the contribution of 10,000 to Eleven Circles, a youth program. Owners Becky Skibitsky and Cindrie Cormier said they were ecstatic and honored to be chosen. (Becky Skibitsky is dau in Law of Eugene Skibitsky Dixfields Town manager !! ) more facts Patriot Renewables LLC donated $5,000 to The Webb River Valley Snowmobile Club !! even more facts Patriot Renewables LLC donated $10,000 The Dirigo Boosters and even more facts Patriot Renewables LLC offered to donate $120,000 to SAD 44 to save three teaching jobs at Woodstock Elementary School. still need more ??? examples of short term spending to buy support !!!! stop drinking the Kool Aid !!! or how about the unconditional gift of 10,000 to the town of Dixfield !! Wake up some people cant see the forest for the trees !!! Its funny they try to buy us with our own money !!!

Norman Mitchell's picture

Facts

Patriot Renewables LLC, made the contribution of 10,000 to Eleven Circles, a youth program. Owners Becky Skibitsky and Cindrie Cormier said they were ecstatic and honored to be chosen. (Becky Skibitsky is dau in Law of Eugene Skibitsky Dixfields Town manager !! ) more facts Patriot Renewables LLC donated $5,000 to The Webb River Valley Snowmobile Club !! even more facts Patriot Renewables LLC donated $10,000 The Dirigo Boosters and even more facts Patriot Renewables LLC offered to donate $120,000 to SAD 44 to save three teaching jobs at Woodstock Elementary School. still need more ??? examples of short term spending to buy support !!!! stop drinking the Kool Aid !!! or how about the unconditional gift of 10,000 to the town of Dixfield !! Wake up some people cant see the forest for the trees !!! Its funny they try to buy us with our own money !!!

JEAN FORD's picture

Harnessing natural resources bad?

Wow, such vitriol! You think sticking with coal would better? Or maybe the Canadian tar sands oil which is the dirtiest and most abrasive form of energy yet. It is reportedly as rough as sandpaper tunneling through those pipes that pass through pristine wilderness and water reservoirs. I prefer we try something new and cleaner.

 's picture

hydro quebec

hydro quebec is ready and waiting to double their capacity to provide power to Boston so ne......lift the 100MW ban on hydro as a renewable.................not much greener than hydro

 's picture

make people aware

Carthage selectmen must not read. Dixfield has 2 selectmen that need an education on the losses of WIND.

Where is the educatiion? Not in the main media.

Please newspapers, dig a little. One reporter, one day, and you will know that this WIND scam is just that...a big Scam.

watch "Windfall" an award winning documentary about a small town in upstate New York. It is on Netflix..........

crashbarry.com
windtaskforce.org

 's picture

Valued properties too

Valued properties too close
Infrasound invasion will create health problems
It would be cheaper for the electric customers to pay the landowners to not allow wind turbines to be built on their land!
— Glenn Schleede, Va.

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