Romney: The right leader for this country

Mitt Romney
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In this Sept. 6, 2012, file photo Republican presidential hopeful and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney talks about his plan for creating jobs and improving the economy during a speech in Las Vegas. 

In early 2012, we watched as presidential candidate hopeful Mitt Romney ran hard to the right in the race to win the primary; he has spent the past several months running hard to the middle in the final sprint to win the general election.

Early in the year, we also watched President Barack Obama ran hard to the left, although there was no primary to fret; he’s been breaking middle ever since to win the general election.

The candidates are barreling so fast toward one another’s ideologies that they’re just about to collide as identical candidates.

But, they are not identical.

Of the two, Romney gets things done. Obama does not.

Americans’ single biggest concern is jobs. We want to work. We want to earn a living and take an active part in the American Dream.

That happened in Massachusetts under Romney’s leadership. It hasn’t happened across the country with Obama in the White House.

Putting aside the president’s lackluster performance, and focusing instead on what Americans say is our biggest problem, we will say it’s spending. We have said it loudly and for a very long time, but the president does not appear to be able to hear us.

In fact, at the end of the week this nation was carrying $16,202,191,698,307.91 in outstanding debt (which includes $6 trillion accrued under Obama's term).

If you’re doing the math, that’s $51,639.32 for every person in this country.

When Romney was governor, his hallmark achievement — in addition to health care reform — was eliminating $1.5 billion in debt he assumed when he took office. That’s a remarkable feat accomplished in four years’ time.

So, one difference between these men is that Obama has increased debt. Romney reduced debt.

But, if we’re going to outline the most jarring difference, let’s consider how they respectively implemented health care reform.

The president, keen to get something done during his term, pressured Congress into passing the 2,700-page Affordable Care Act at breakneck speed.

And, that rumor that there wasn’t time for all members of Congress to read the tome before voting on it? That’s true. (The Supreme Court justices didn’t even want to read it when the question of the ACA’s constitutionality came before them last March. Justice Stephen Beyer, who voted in the majority to uphold ACA, admitted he didn’t read the entire law and never had any intention of doing so.)

Rather than give the ACA the consideration and conversation it needed to be the best possible policy for American citizens, Obama opted for speed and flash.

Health care reform proposals have been proposed and defeated for decades, and there was great hope at the start of Obama’s term that his campaign promise to reform health care would succeed. Discussions of reform began in June 2009 at the committee level and each congressional Chamber eventually crafted its own version.

The Senate, after much stalling, voted in late 2009. The House couldn’t agree on passage, so the president crafted his own plan consolidating the chambers’ respective bills (favoring the Senate version) and then leaned on party leadership to get the thing passed ... by a super slim margin.

The president signed what has been called the most significant regulatory overhaul of our nation’s health care system since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid into law just one month after his little-debated proposal was presented to the floor, despite great resistance across the country.

Sen. Olympia Snowe, who was one of six senators who participated in crafting the Senate’s original bill and arguably more informed than most members of Congress on its contents, ultimately voted against it, calling it a “bloated monstrosity.”

That’s not a compliment.

Whether Obamacare will fulfill its grand predictions of lower costs and increased access to health care remains to be seen, but its enactment was a procedural fiasco based on might, not right.

In Massachusetts, discussions on Romneycare carried on for a year before legislation was proposed, and then the law was debated for more than six months before the governor signed it into law, which is a far better demonstration of give and take, of compromise and collaboration, then exhibited by Obama on the national level.

Obama may have crammed health care reform into law, but it’s fair to say he hasn’t done much else on the policy level. Hasn’t passed budgets, hasn’t closed Guantanamo Bay (a campaign rally cry), hasn’t addressed immigration reform and hasn’t fixed Social Security (another campaign cry).

And, after a grand gesture on his first day in office requiring former lobbyists to wait two years before accepting government employment, he has routinely “waived” this ethics policy when convenient, most notably for Celia Munoz, former lobbyist turned Director of Intergovernmental Affairs at the White House.

The president has, to be fair, fulfilled campaign promises to bring troops home and has worked to end wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and he gets credit — as commander in chief — for the assassination of Osama bin Laden.

But in terms of working with Congress to get work done on the domestic front, he’s failed.

We believe Romney — a successful businessman and successful politician who has proven leadership skills — is America’s best choice right now.

The opinions expressed in this column reflect the views of the ownership and the editorial board.

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JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Vote like you mean it....

25 reasons from 25 people who are voting Obama:

1. "The Affordable Care Act is saving my daughter's life."
Stacey, Arizona

2. "Obama is for the vets. He helped us wind down in Iraq, he's improved mental health policy with VA benefits."
Joel, Minnesota

3. "Obama stuck his neck out for us, the auto industry. He wasn't going to let it just die, and I'm driving in this morning because of that, because of him."
Brian, Ohio

4. "Osama bin Laden is dead, and General Motors is alive."
Joe Biden, Delaware

5. "Supreme Court Supreme Court Supreme Court."
Andrew, California

6. "Arithmetic."
Bill Clinton, New York

7. "He cares for the 100 percent."
Shana, Texas

8. "When Obama came into office, he successfully renewed our country's place in the community of nations, making cooperation in tackling the world's challenges possible."
Willis, North Carolina

9. "The actions he has taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very, very solid."
Colin Powell, Virginia

10. "I was really very grateful to him for standing up for those kids who are having a really rough time out there because of their orientation."
Jane Lynch, California

11. "For me, President Obama is our best choice because he has a vision of the United States as a place where we are all in this together."
Bruce Springsteen, New Jersey

12. "He has a real plan for rescuing the economy that passes the 'math' test."
Teresa, Virginia

13. "Having someone in office who understands how powerful our voice can be is very important."
Jay Z, New York

14. "I am voting for Barack Obama and Joe Biden because I can trust them to care for the middle class and restore the American dream."
Steven, Florida

15. "The first measure he signed into law after becoming president was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act -- so a female high school counselor or physical education teacher can fight for equal pay for equal work."
Connie Britton, California

16. "I believe in the America he wants for my grandchildren."
Nancy, Michigan

17. "We need four more years of repair, of helping the middle class achieve a sustainable economy."
James Taylor, North Carolina

18. "I've watched him fight for our country, stand by the middle class, the working class, the military, the education of our children, universal health care, women, the environment, and matters of national and domestic security."
Susan, Virginia

19. "The gifted 12-year-old I taught, whose parents were deported and left her here with her grandmother, will be allowed to stay and finish her education. She's been in the U.S. since age one."
Jamie, North Carolina

20. "I want our president to place scientific evidence and risk management above electoral politics."
Michael Bloomberg, New York

21. "I have four children who are under 26 and able to stay on my health care plan. That's been huge."
Amy, Pennsylvania

22. "He's fighting to defend and better Social Security and Medicare -- because millions of Latino seniors rely on them."
Cristina Saralegui, Florida

23. "Thanks to the President's efforts to keep student loan rates low, I can expect to save nearly $1000 as I work to repay my student loans. And I don't have too many of those, thanks to the Federal Pell Grant program."
Sam, Minnesota

24. "It's been wonderful to have President Obama as a champion for access to health care for all women in this country."
Cecile Richards, New York

25. "Re-electing Barack Obama would lead to a stronger economic recovery than would be the case were Mitt Romney to win on November 6th."
Jared Bernstein, Washington, D.C.


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I truly was taken by suprise. While you may be my hometown paper, I have rarely agreed with your endorsements over the last 35 years. This may be a first. I agree that Obama love the poor much more than Mitt does as Obama has created millions of them while Mitt was killing poverty by creating businesses and jobs. I left Lewiston in 1975 after graduating High school, joining the Coast Guard and eventually the Central Intelligence Agency. I return on occassion as my parents still live there. It is a model for what is wrong with chronic Democrat 'solutions' that never actually ever solve anything. 35+ years later, Lewiston has gotten worse over time, with few options available for younger people to remain in the area. So much potential, so many self-inflicted wounds.

Michel Ouellette

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

You Don’t Know Mitt: 99 Facts About Mitt Romney

Mike I think your job at the CIA wasn't intelligence....

Inside of these 99 FACTS of failures of Mittster will answer your trust in SJ....and of Robme....

BTW, was John your brother from Grad of1973? John and I and Ruel and Rancourt and others hung together many years....


Romney endorsement

Related to Paul Aripez? Went to school with him from kindegarten - 6th grade and through High School.

I retired from the CIA last November after 31 years, 4 months and 18 days, the last ten of which were spent in Counterterrorism Center, (CTC). Job wasn't intelligence? I helped get UBL, got to see the world and see a lot of history first-hand. I was told at the time I joined in 1980 while working at American Stabilis in Lewiston that I was making the biggest mistake of my life. Virtually every company I worked at in Lewiston no longer exists. Big companies like Twin City Printery (used to print Downeast Magazine) - poof, gone. Lewiston was always a scrappy Mill town, but it has been looking a bit worse for the wear these last few years. Take it for what it is worth - Maine, in general, and Lewiston in particular has never been business-friendly.

Michel Ouellette

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I have to agree with your assessment of L/A, it has turned into the pits of all pits after all those years. I really am happy I left the pit out of HS too. Although I still have assets there, including investments. Yes the individual to whom you mentioned is a relation which I am sad to acknowledge, but you can't pick your relatives. You never said if John was your brother, the John I knew passed in 2008 the day of our class reunion?

The intel of your job is of no question of the utmost TS, whereas I was in Crypto on the comm specialist side of things many moons ago. Lewiston was a huge booming industrial city during our parents and prior and has become such a disappointment for Maine and for the country when it comes to keeping good jobs here at home. That too is why I left, leaving the lower standards of trying to make a career attempt and have been satisfied with my choice of retirement from the Carpenters Union for 30 years at 55, two years ago, with two healthy pensions. I commend those that have stayed and carry on with their lives but the Frogtown never agreed with me or my dreams of seeing the world and country too.

Dropping UBL with the fishy s was the greatest day of joy for America and those families affected and congrats on a job well done and to the seal team and the POTUS for calling the ball....
Thanks for your service Mike....Jerry A.


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I never had any brothers. Had two sisters, Jean (older) and Gayle, (younger). Hehe have to agree with your relative paul. he was what I I would consider a bully in today's parlance. A person who though very highly of himself. Always wondered where he ended up.

I was electronics in the Coast Guard and answered an ad in Navy Times looking for Techs in the CIA while I was stationed in Alaska. I did it as a joke. My first interview in Boston was conducted the day the Iranian Embassy was breached in Tehran. My first five years were spent in their 'Office of Communications' where I also worked crypto. KY-7, KG-84 etc. I then swapped into the Office Of Technical Service. We did all of the technical work for Operations. Audio devices, disguise, forgery, tracking and locating etc. We were part of the Directorate for Science and Technology (DS&T). You can go to and check it out. As stated, my last ten years were in CTC as the Deputy of their technical branch. We did not catch all of these people over the last 12 years by accident.

In any event, the thing that strikes me most about Lewiston is the increasingly tired facade. People on my street used to keep their houses in meticulous shape, - well painted, lawns manicured etc. Places that I used to think were in neighborhoods much better than where I lived, now all look tired and worn down. Lewistion was never a rich place like some of the coastal towns, but it really has, cosmetically anyway, really taken a downward turn. I have seen a few gems of success - took my father to 'Fishbones' for a suprise 80th birthday and was impressed. You really have to look hard, however.


Michel Ouellette

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Ditto on the bro

He still has issues to put it mildly. Lives in the Peach state and is all alone and retired from the Navy...

I was on the Ky3, Kw-26, KG-13 if my memory serves. On MAC, TAC, SAC, Wings, with high priority TS traffic and was an ulcer job. Although in the Command Post on hot sorties, was never a dull moment in Oki the orders there and got cut on rotation to Nam after the fall of Saigon and the pullout.

The job moved me into a cross train during a 6 year contract and went to being a Medic, and that was a trip all by itself...

Good talk....


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One last thing - as for KW-7's? Fibonacci, I spit on your grave.....! Pooey!



Romney endorsement

Heh - never worked KY-3, but did work KW-26 (used to cut the card in half when you closed the reader door), and KG-13's. Most of my work was on KY-7's and adjusting the darn elastomers on the card readers with a dollar bill as the thickness guide. All of those were shut down over night when the Walker spy scandal broke, and everything switched to KG-84's immediately. All of these are now on display at the Agency museum, along with the HW-28 teletypes that I used to repair. Like you said - good talk, good times.

Michel Ouellette

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HW 28

Yepper, that was the old tape beater, with the old ASCII code on perforated tape. The old data cards with the Hollerith code was the old card cutting trick on HJ (Hotel Juliet) with the other sub stations and CINPAC...

Reading the paper tapes was a task...The old KY3, was used in WATTS via the KW-26, on secure lined traffic, if I recall...

Man you are bringing back some of those old brain cells back, they just needed a charge...thanks....

Walker spy scandal was way after my time so that is new to me, but those old beast were heading into compromise...


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Romneys' bonus to Millionaires, helps What, WHY?

The New York Times reported on Thursday, Nov 1, 2012, that Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.

"The pressure applied to the research service comes amid a broader Republican effort to raise questions about research and statistics that were once trusted as nonpartisan and apolitical," the Times reported. Democrats in Congress, however, have resurfaced the report and published it in full. It can be read below.

Republicans told the Times they had issues with the tone, wording and scope of the report, but they clearly objected most strongly to its findings, which undermine the governing fiscal philosophy of the party, that tax cuts for the wealthy will spur growth and benefit everybody.

GOP officials told The Times that the decision by the CRS came after a cooperative discussion, but Democrats have suggested that the move is part of a broader effort by Republicans to squelch legitimate research that runs counter to their economic principles.

The CRS concluded:

The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.
However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income


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New York Times. Is that a magazine or something? Maybe one of them flyers handed out by the mentally challenged on street corners? Please clarify.

FRANK EARLEY's picture

Whoa! Thats quite a list

As much as I can agree with the fact that Obama has done much for this country, I feel its just as important to give him credit for what he hasn't done. In all my life, I have never had anyone insult my intelligence as much as Romney has. People will have you think that Mitt Romney was the best thing to hit Massachusetts, since sliced bread. Well, I grew up in the Boston Area, my entire family and extended family still lives there. They have lived there for many generations. Now lets give them "crickets" another work out. When I asked some older family members about Romney accomplishments, The accolades weren't exactly fourth coming. Every time I hear him brag about the "HealthCare" law in Mass. I cringe. He had nothing to do with drafting or designing this policy, all he did was sign it into law. Let us not forget his job growth in that state, or should I say lack of growth. Also don't forget that he left the state a couple of billion dollars in debt.
If we can consider this as a practice run for the White House, we're all in deep trouble if he wins. Fortunately I have faith in the general public to do the right thing. Most people I know, don't trust someone who needs an elevator for his automobiles, not to mention Swiss Bank accounts. That just doesn't strike me as a down to earth type of guy.........

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

SJ- Supporting a man that stands with Oppression & Suppresion

1).Voter Caging

Voter caging is the process of sending mail to the addresses of registered voters with the intent of challenging their votes if the mail goes undelivered and the voter still shows up at the polls.

2). Lying Fliers

Dropping fliers with erroneous or deceptive information about voting may not be effective, according to voting law expert Rick Hasen, but it certainly happens a lot.

3). Reprehensible Robocalls

When a lying flier just isn't good enough, there's always the deceptive robocall to Democratic-leaning districts giving people false election information or urging them to stay home.

4). Felon Disenfranchisement

Many laws barring those convicted of crimes even after release emerged during Reconstruction as a way to disenfranchise newly freed blacks. Though defenders of such laws now justify them on race-neutral grounds, an estimated 2.2 million of the nearly six million Americans barred from voting because of prior felony convictions are black.

5). Voter ID Laws

The impact of voter ID laws is still unclear, but the intent is not. Republicans pushing voter ID laws sometimes write them so as to exclude forms of ID carried by Democratic-leaning constituencies (like student ID) while allowing those more likely to be carried by Republican voters (gun licenses).

6). Voter Purges

States are supposed to keep the voter rolls current, but sometimes removals of dead or no longer valid voter registrations is undertaken in a reckless or partisan manner that can end up disenfranchising eligible voters.

7). The Menacing Billboard

Republicans, convinced that Democrats only win elections through voter fraud, have taken to setting up billboards warning that "voter fraud is a felony" in swing states this year. Naturally, these billboards only seem to pop up in minority neighborhoods.

8). Poll Watchers

Republicans have developed an extensive network of poll watchers who think of themselves as protecting the integrity of the ballot box, but they're really there to prevent people they think are Democrats from engaging in "voter fraud." As Brentin Mock noted in his report on the conservative group True the Vote, the group's national elections coordinator said that he wanted voters to feel like they are "driving and seeing the police following you."

9).Messing with Early Voting

Early voting can cut down on long lines on election day and allow Americans who might not be able to get to the polls—maybe because they have jobs—cast a ballot. That sounds like a good thing, right? Well not to the governments of Ohio, Florida, West Virginia, Tennessee, and Georgia, all of which cut down on early voting for 2012.

If you ask me SJ---you get an "F" on your research on our Boards failure to to look at the under lying facts about your endorsement, and you ought to hire a real news-person of non partisan views.

Maybe to save jobs, to keep news paper buyers and save face from your editorial views-- SJ should stay out of politics.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Dishonest Mitt

Sent his staff to Walmart to purchase $5000 in goods the night before to use in his Ohio food disaster rally while real people in the hurricane were dealing with reality.

It is frauds who support frauds right, right-wing? You support this kind of behavior?
Coming from:
The man that is a Bishop of his LDS Mormon Church...WOW....

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Ah, yes...the Mormon card..

Ah, yes...the Mormon card.. We knew that would be forthcoming.
Welcome to our community, Mr. Aripez.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

It shows the true nature of your being

I was an alter boy at St Patrick's in the 60's. My faith has taught me that you are to be and remain a man of honor and truth. If you all can claim and attack the President about his faith, works for you, but if it is brought into conversation of a mans beliefs and his PAID preaching to others falls on its face, then YES, the Mormon, card or any other card of hypocrisy of wearing your faith on your shoulder while failing to keep your honor as a preacher in check, then it is fair to say the man is a joke. A man without HONOR is not a man but a fraud...

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Show us were I all have

Show us were I all have claimed and attacked the President about his faith in any of these posts. That's a pretty cavalier statement; even has a nice sound to it, but can you back it up? While we're waiting, the crickets will keep us entertained with a bit of chirping.
Now, you and Mr. Earley have made it pretty clear that you all don't like Mitt Romney and you've both done a fair job of pointing out his many flaws through a few facts and a whole lot of just plain raggin'.
So, for those of us still on the fence and, who will once again be casting a vote in a manner that is akin to going to a whorehouse to pick a bride, why don't you and Mr. Early consort and present us with positive reasons why Barack Hussein Obama is worthy of our vote. What has he accomplished in the last 4 years to make America in general and our lives in particular better that we, as voters, would re-elect him to get 4 more years of it.
Only one rule; the names of Mitt Romney and George W. Bush are not to be mentioned.
Hopefully, we won't have to go through 3 generations of crickets while we wait.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Here are 50 more reasons/accomplishments to put in your pipe

I could do this all day.....

Give me a list of what Romney has the 90 companies he had and only 10 made it, without selling them and shipping jobs overseas and stealing workers pensions? All those jobs lost to his profits and share holders? Please?

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

For your crickets...he who using the middle name as a undecided

President Obama has overhauled the food safety system
Advanced women's rights in the work place
Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) in our military
Stopped defending DOMA in court.
Passed the Hate Crimes bill.
Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court.
Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can't afford it.
Expanded the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance.
Invested in clean energy.
Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly.
While Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, it was still an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector.
He created a Elizabeth Warren's dream agency: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
He's done a lot for veterans
He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks.

He's killed Osama Bin Laden
Eliminated several other Al-Qaeda leaders
Ended the War in Iraq
Begun the drawdown of forces from Afghanistan
End-run Republican obstructionism by recess-appointing Richard Cordray to run the Consumer Financial Protection Board.

Engaged Young African Leaders Who Will Shape the Continent’s Future.
Strengthened Democratic Institutions
Supported Democracy in Cote d’Ivoire.
Advanced Reform in Kenya.
Launched the Open Government Partnership (OGP).
Advanced Peace and Security.
Promoted Peace in Sudan.
Supported Regional Efforts to Help Communities Affected by the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA).
Strengthened AMISOM’s Efforts to Restore Stability in Somalia.
Invested in Africa’s Sustainable Development.
Launched the Feed the Future Initiative.
Launched the Global Health Initiative (GHI).
Launched the Global Climate Change Initiative (GCCI).
Launched the Partnership for Growth (PFG).
Promoted Economic Growth through the Millennium Challenge Corporation.
Responded to Humanitarian Crises and Disasters
Promoted Trade and Investment.
African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA).
Strengthened Trade and Investment Engagement throughout Sub-Saharan Africa.
Trade and Investment Partnership with the East African Community (EAC)
Introduced New U.S. Initiatives to Boost Trade and Investment Opportunities for Least Developed Countries in Sub-Saharan Africa.
Obama has overhauled the food safety system
Advanced women's rights in the work place
Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) in our military
Stopped defending DOMA in court.
Passed the Hate Crimes bill.
Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court.
Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can't afford it.
Expanded the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance.
Invested in clean energy.
Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly.
While Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, it was still an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector.
He created a Elizabeth Warren's dream agency: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
He's done a lot for veterans

The Internet is a wonderful tool....
Here are your Crickets comrade...

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

..."he who using the middle

..."he who using the middle name as a undecided"??? I'm not following you on that one.
A lot of duplication (word for word) on your list. Who put that together, Michelle? He's done much for Africa, Kenya, Somalia and other foreign countries. What about U.S.A? America's AAA Credit Rating? His poor handling of the Bengahzi situation. I mean, passing the Hate Crimes Bill twice? How many crimes do you know that were committed out of compassion? His investment in clean energy has been an absolute flop. Solendra cost the taxpayers $500 million. They're having trouble selling the Volt in spite of $7500 to $10,00 government discounts. A lot of his "achievements" have been flops.
For the record, none of the above is intended to trivialize your effort; it is appreciated.

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Seems you forgot how you wrote it, with your BHO label

FYI the accusation of my paid affiliation to the MN DFL, or DNC, is absurd. I am a retired Union Carpenter that sits here and keeps informed of issues. I was raised and went to LHS, until I enlisted and still own property in Lewiston and have family and Yourself?

I didn't notice the double up on the points until it was sent and could not amend it, but I sent behind that the other 50 more of the links.

My efforts on the political arena are all voluntary, with no pay, but I just pay attention...

The war of lies of WMD COST Trillions of dollars, and 5000 Lives, billions of dollars on pallets unaccounted, billions more on TART not accountable to the RICH, that had no guarantees to be used for creating jobs. Where is or was your concern then and now? Your small petty $500 million is so minuet for any type of argument in contrast.

Your slam on the First lady and even using the Presidents middle name, shows your disrespect, and that says a thousand words of your caliber of a person of having any sincerity, believabilty, respect or honor.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture're funny. Tell're funny. Tell me, do you practice that stuff in front of a mirror? So much anger for a retired person.

AL PELLETIER's picture

Holey cah cah Pirate

You got really hammered on this one! If practicing in "front of a mirror" and "so much anger" is the best you've got, you've disappointed me. Your usually a much better debater.

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"Your slam on the First Lady

"Your slam on the First Lady and even using the Presidents (sic) middle name shows your disrespect and that says a thousand words of your caliber of a person of having any sincerity, believability, respect or honor."
Really, Al? You want me to debate with that? I assume you're just good naturedly busting my chops. I can't even take this person seriously. No one says that kind of stuff about a person they don't even know. At least no one the Pirate wants to have anything to do with.
We all have our differences of opinion, and we manage to, for the most part, remain civil towards one another and that's what makes it enjoyable for all of us. As you know, Al, we have debating; and then we have trying to pick up the turd by the clean end.
Enjoy your evening, my friend.

AL PELLETIER's picture

Can't wait

5 more days and it's over. Kiss the parrot good night-------thank you.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I feel as though we've been

I feel as though we've been subjected to campaigns for almost 3 years. It's absolutely tiresome. It's got people all jacked up, hating each other in an aroused state of constant bickering. It just plain sucks. And, as you aptly put it, Wednesday morning it'll be all over. But, you know what? By Memorial Day, we'll all be in full campaign mode again for the 2016 election. No one governs or serves the will of the people. Campaigning is the new governance.
I stopped kissing the parrot good night a long time ago. He felt that people would get the wrong impression. But, he has no hang ups about being tucked in and saying good night 35-40 times, though. If he weren't such a good research assistant/typist, I'd put him up for auction.

FRANK EARLEY's picture

Very well put...

I tried pointing out Romney's dishonest activity about eighty posts into this thread. No one will accept the fact that Romney has reached desperation mode, and will say and do anything thats needed to get elected. Even his little side kick, Ryen, seems to like having his picture taken washing clean pots and pans, in an empty "Soup Kitchen". I just wonder, how many lies it will take for people to see the truth? It's going to be an interesting week to come......


Leadership in time of crisis

People want a president that will show true leadership in a time of crisis. President Obama has demonstrated that exact quality over the past three days.
From what I remember, Romney's last crisis was handled by making the decision to strap the dog to the roof of the car.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Romney Fails for Massachusetts

Mitt Romney is all about dismantling the federal government's role in emergency management and putting the states in charge, which sort of raises the question of how Romney responded to emergencies when he was governor of Massachusetts. Would it surprise you to hear that the answer is "not well"? In fact, Romney failed Massachusetts at both preparedness and response, as the Huffington Post's Jason Cherkis and Ryan Grim report.
In 2004, Romney vetoed funding for flood prevention in recently flooded Peabody, Massachusetts. Romney claimed he didn't have enough information about the project, though local officials said they had given him lots of information. In 2006, Peabody flooded again. Romney was there for a photo op after the flood, but Peabody probably would have preferred to have had the funding to prevent flooding in the first place.

When the city of Greenfield flooded, in 2005, Romney was too busy traveling the nation positioning himself for a presidential run to find out the extent of the flooding or declare an emergency. The most senior person in his administration, the city's mayor, could get in touch with was the lieutenant governor's chief of staff. Without help from the state, Greenfield faced an example of what America can look forward to if Romney becomes president:

Forgey says a resident opened up the high school and used it as a crisis shelter. A radio station launched a food and clothing drive and the Red Cross provided services. [...]
The town could handle distributing donated shirts and juice. But Greenfield, with its population of 18,000, couldn’t repair this level of loss, which had been estimated to exceed $1 million. Forgey said she needed the state government to respond and for Romney to declare an emergency. But for days, Greenfield residents were on their own, with limited outside help.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Proof the people that disagree can't handle the truth

Here it is that FACTS are provided for readers in regards to how an elected PAID official handled situations and performed on his job. He shows and informs you of the TRUTH and what do you get, 2 people who disagree with facts.

That in itself shows and proves that the Republican factor/readers here cannot handle the truth and hide and disagree to reality.

A lot of people look at the truth; but how many can't handle it?

Vote America for a common man like yourselves and not a man that cares about his pocket and his corporate buddies.

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During his campaign Romney clearly stated he would do away with FEMA and make disaster relief the responsibility of states and the private sector.
Today, he clearly stated he would make sure FEMA would be adequately funded.
My God, I'm a dumb Frenchman and can see right through this flip-flop artists' rhetoric.
I can't believe the SJ, Gravel and the Pirate are buying his BULL----!

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Here are the FACTS --30 Documented Lies by the MittJello

Al it surely takes a simple mind like those you mentioned to not be able or refuse to see the forest because the trees are in the way.
Romney is desperate, which makes him and his surrogates digging their hole and throwing the dirt back on them as they bury themselves.

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ~ Dr. Joseph Goebbels...Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister~

AL PELLETIER's picture

Thanks Jerry

If Maine voters are the smart Mainers I grew up with, they'll do the right thing in the voting booth. Bull---t isn't what this country needs.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Keep up that sort of talk,

Keep up that sort of talk, Al, and the Pirate's apt to vote YES on #1. 0O:-)

Zack Lenhert's picture

Sun Journal endorses

Sun Journal endorses Romney... will our right wing commentors stop complaining about a liberal bias???...probably not, its part of the strategy now to discredit news and stories that don't fit their narrative.

Arthur Walsh's picture

Sun Journal's Endorsement of Romney

I submitted an application only because I wanted to comment on your endorsement of Mr. Romney. For this organization to endorse someone who is so obviously so truth-challenged as Romney damages your credibility and demonstrates to all the standards of your organization.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

1. Fast and furious 2.

1. Fast and furious
2. Benghazi

Perhaps truth is in the eye of beholder. Are you sure you want to throw stones in your glass house?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The reason these remain

The reason these remain unaddressed is because they 're having a difficult time finding ways to blame Bush for both of them. I'm waiting for them to blame the timely arrival of Hurricane Sandy on the Republican Weather Machine. Can you hear them? "Yeah, just in time for the republicans to steal the election.!! Yeah!! Yeah!!"

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Have you seen the TV ads of

Have you seen the TV ads of seniors threatening violence if the Republicans win the election?

It really shows the desperation from the left, which is good.

One last point, funny that we never heard Bush blame Clinton for the bubble crash and the ensuing economic malaise.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Bush had too much class for

Bush had too much class for that. One of his major flaws was that he was too nice to the disloyal opposition.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Who Again? Republicans Call for Civil War

Virginia Republicans Call for Armed Revolution if Obama Wins in November

By: RmuseAugust 20th, 2012

The Virginia Republican Committee newsletter was published in March, and the media or Republican leadership have been silent, and regardless if they support the overthrow of the government if the President wins a second term or not, they are guilty of inciting rebellion by allowing their candidates, spokespersons, and members of Congress to openly call for armed rebellion against the government of the United States.

Thomas Jefferson did, indeed, say that revolution is sometimes necessary, but only against wealthy bankers “who prey on the poor” and religious leaders who have the full support of every Republican in the United States. If the people were intelligent enough to actually read why Jefferson said rebellion is necessary, they would rise up and send the GOP to the only place they would be secure; counting their dirty money in their offshore tax havens.

During the healthcare reform debate, angry teabaggers cited Jefferson’s line that “a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing,” as proof that revolution against government tyranny was advocated by a Founding Father as an option in 2009, and that sentiment has not diminished three years later heading into a general election. The groups claiming President Obama is a tyrannical leader have never given one example of tyranny, but they, with the GOP’s assistance, have whipped themselves into frenzy and openly called for armed insurrection against the United States government. One may be inclined to excuse talk of rebellion as angry rhetoric from a fringe element in the tea party, but a Virginia Republican Committee newsletter has called for armed revolution if President Obama is re-elected in November.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

I did not read the Virgin

I did not read the Virgin Republican newsletter, so I cannot comment on whether you are taking it out of context or not.

That said, if taxation and government interference served as a barometer to revolution, we are way over due when measured against pre-revolutionary standards.

I will caution any reader when the content they read is of the theme D-good, R-bad (or visa versa) because life is not that black and white and the writer is living in a partisan fancy.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

....."angry teabaggers" is a

....."angry teabaggers" is a reference to a sexual activity engaged in by homosexuals of ill humor. We're just wondering what that has to do with your post. You weren't by any chance looking for the word "tea partiers" were you? Just wondering.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

You reading is short scanned

The "teabagger" was not my words but those of the original writer...Hello 8>)

But the name was brought to you by those that hung teabags off their should blame them for the label....

The post refers to a reply above my comment...

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You use it; you own it. And,

You use it; you own it. And, your tea bags hanging off their hats explanation is weak. It's a derogatory term used by homosexuals to describe an activity they engage in. Some here will have a difficult time believing you didn't already know that.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

I am sure it only insults only those that are baggers

Your sexual hangup with the term is weak itself. If the derogatory act works for the hetero-sexual that is practiced and is acceptable in your sexual comparison, BUT if done by those of a bi-sexual affiliation it is just so offensive in your small world.

It must be because you are a tea warrior that just can't accept your war bonnet that your fellow comrades wear like the rest of the documented hat teabagger wearers and you have issues.

You can't have it both ways...that dog don't hunt...

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Hahaha....sure, you do.

Hahaha....sure, you do.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Straw Man

Your aim is off by a reflection of what Romney has told his many spins of lies, while the President has not lied, but repeated what he was told, in regards to the information he was provided by his subordinates. So before you shoot, where is the proof? Whereas Romney has said these words right out of his own mouth, with video supporting his exact words of spins and lies.

I find it laughable that you all attack him on Benghazi, where as 4 died in contrast to the 5000 plus that died, 50000 wounded with devastating affects to their lives , because of a lie about WMD's, but you all fail to look at the bigger picture then and still now.

You straw man is about unknown total events and only use it for a political rock...

MARK GRAVEL's picture

You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot have it both ways. Either both left and right repeat what they are told, they both lie, or a combination thereof. It is nonsensical to think otherwise or foolish - take your pick. Don't for get we are dealing with humans. That is why I understand your irrational assertion that one party is good and the other is disastrous.

Perhaps you'll out grow the rose color glasses - someday.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Republicans work with WHOM?

Did you know, for example, that a total of 375 bills that passed the Democratic-majority House have been blocked by Republicans in the Senate?

HR 12 -- Paycheck Fairness Act

H.R. 20 -- Melanie Blocker Stokes Mom’s Opportunity to Access Health, Education, Research, and Support for Postpartum Depression Act

H.R. 320 -- CJ’s Home Protection Act

H.R. 448 -- Elder Abuse Victims Act

H.R. 466 –- Wounded Veteran Job Security Act

H.R. 515 –- Radioactive Import Deterrence Act

H.R. 549 -- National Bombing Prevention Act

H.R. 577 –- Vision Care for Kids Act

H.R. 626 –- Federal Employees Paid Parental Leave Act

H.R. 780 –- Student Internet Safety Act

H.R. 911 -- Stop Child Abuse in Residential Programs for Teens Act

H.R. 985 -- Free Flow of Information Act

H.R. 1029 -– Alien Smuggling and Terrorism Prevention Act

H.R. 1110 –- PHONE Act and H.R. 1258 – The Truth in Caller ID Act

H.R. 1168 -- Veterans Retraining Act

H.R. 1171 –- Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization

H.R. 1262 -- Water Quality Investment Act

H.R. 1293 -- Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009

H.R. 1319 –- Informed P2P User Act

H.R. 1380 -- Josh Miller HEARTS Act

H.R. 1429 -- Stop AIDS in Prison Act

But every single one of these bills is being blocked by every single Republican in the Senate, all of whom are working in lockstep to prevent a vote.

H.R. 1469 –- Child Protection Improvements Act

H.R. 1511 –- Torture Victims Relief Reauthorization Act

H.R. 1514 –- Juvenile Accountability Block Grants Program Reauthorization Act

H.R. 1580 –- Electronic Waste Research and Development Act

H.R. 1585 -- FIT Kids Act

H.R. 1617 –- Department of Homeland Security Component Privacy Officer Act

H.R. 1622 -– Research and Development Programs for Natural Gas Vehicles

H.R. 1675 –- Frank Melville Supportive Housing Investment Act of 2009

H.R. 1709 –- STEM Education Coordination Act

H.R. 1722 -- Telework Improvements Act

H.R. 1727 -- Managing Arson Through Criminal History (MATCH) Act

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Congress fails to work with the President, How many Filibusters?

President Barack Obama can take credit for implementing a $787 billion stimulus that saved or created more than 5 million jobs, according to the Congressional Budget Office. But many economists argue that the hurried bill did not go far enough. Obama made another attempt at job creation last year when he introduced a jobs bill to Congress that economists estimated would create roughly 2 million jobs if passed. Congressional Republicans have blocked the bill, advocating austerity instead.

Some economists highlighted what they see as the failure of the government to take specific action as the economy continues to struggle. Wolfers said that the government should unleash another round of fiscal stimulus and retrain the long-term unemployed.

PLEASE;;;As shown by the 112 Republican filibusters in 2007 and 2008 -- which was a record breaking number then. Not that it made the National News.
Romney keeps saying that Obama can't run on his record, let's see Romney's record as Governor.

Stagnant job growth: During Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts fell from 36th to 47th out of 50 states in job creation, while the overall U.S. economy grew.

Declining manufacturing: By the end of Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts had lost more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs—a rate twice the national average.

Higher taxes: Gov. Romney raised taxes on the middle class, but pushed through a tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited 278 of the wealthiest individuals in MA.

Highest debt in the nation: Under Mitt Romney, Massachusetts’ debt burden grew to the highest per person in the nation.

Increased government spending: State spending increased every year while Romney was in office, and he left behind a $1 billion deficit for the next governor.

Jobs outsourced overseas: Governor Romney failed to protect good jobs in Massachusetts, and actually outsourced state jobs to India.

Romney fails on all accords....

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Perhaps when you consider all

Perhaps when you consider all the facts you'll conclude the government cannot create jobs or induce sustainable economic growth. Governments can only interfere in free markets.

Government stimulus does nothing more to misplace capital. You cannot measure what would have been without shifting capital. However, it is reasonable to conclude that a plurality of businesses focusing on their core competency will make fare better use of capital than a bureaucracy infested with special interest.

Off-shoring is an unavoidable consequence of opening of global markets. All Americans have benefited from lower consumer prices as a result of global markets. Government regulation will not stop this phenomenon . Any attempt to regulate free trade does nothing but drive up costs for the American consumer and reduces choice.

The only tool a government has to increase sustainable employment and on-shoring is to remove obstacles making job creation in the US more attractive than elsewhere. This is a concept that you don't hear from the left and rarely hear from the right. It is a concept implemented by neither left nor right.

That said, you can go to bed thinking President Obama created 5 million jobs, but I bet you cannot state now he created those jobs - that is because he did not create those jobs, the private sector did.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Well answer this

Why and how can Romney tell Americans, "That if you elect me, I will create 12 million jobs?" Whereas those jobs were already projected as part of the recovery that is taking course, which has nothing to do with Romney creating those jobs. So Romney continues to lie and tell more.

Those comments about the 5 million jobs was by other economist with the obtainable progressive graphs by the BLS. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

I can sleep well knowing that the recovery is coming about, with housing returning, the market at it highest and manufacturing coming back to the US, besides Rome wasn't built in a day or 4 years.

NO President could have made a turn around of this past poor economic crash of the Bush era in just 4 years and if you believe that, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Again, you diverge. The BLS

Again, you diverge. The BLS statistics are necessary but not sufficient to claim Obama created those jobs. Without presenting evidence of the relationship between cause and effect, you cannot support your claim.

No presidential candidate should make claims about job creation; it is nonsensical, but both primary candidates make such claims. Perhaps it is just a form of bread and circuses for the unwashed masses. Have you gotten you loaf yet?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Are you convinced yet, that

Are you convinced yet, that this guy isn't a paid political hack from the Minnesota DNC?

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Can Romney govern this country to the benefit of all Americans?

That's the question to be answered. But which Mitt Romney. The moderate Republican Governor of Mass.? The fundamentalist opposed to abortion in all cases, who proposed getting rid of Planned Parenthood, and opposes the availability of birth control. The CEO who has no patriotism shipping jobs to China as quickly as he could even creating a company in China so he could learn what was necessary to move jobs overseas. The liberal who agreed with every policy initiated by Obama or carried over from Bush at the debates. Who exactly are you endorsing.
One fact is very clear. Romney will do and say anything to be elected President. He has no set of beliefs. He can not be trusted on any issue. Except one. He and people like him are morally superior to the rest of us. People like him are ordained to rule the country for the benefit of themselves.
We who have paid into Social Security and Medicare during our entire working lives will lose our earned benefits to pay for tax cuts for people like him. His cadre of foreign affairs "experts" will lead him into unnecessary and unpaid for wars to no end as they did Bush. We will pay and die for another four years of Republican fiscal irresponsibility, bloated budgets, and mounting debts until they succeed in bankrupting the country.
We don't just have to take it as we do with Hurricane Sandy. November 6th we can vote to protect our jobs and standard of living by voting for President Obama.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Jonathan, You'll be taking


You'll be taking it were the sun does not shine as long as you look to government for all solutions. I can replace Romney with Obama or replace Republican with Democrats and this text still rings.

Until people realize that both parties are members of the oligarchy , nothing will change. The only solution is smaller government, an neutered government. Sadly, the Obama team has convinced you they are here to help you. Remember, Obama give you NDAA - the ability for you government to detain you without due process. Bend over here comes 4 more years.

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Apparently you don't read my comments, but I'll try again.

1. Get your facts right. Bush instituted detention without due process. Obama only extended the Bush policy and Patriot Act - which is unconstitutional on many grounds.
2. Of course both parties are members of the oligarchy. Any child over 6 knows that. The Republicans represent the fascist wing of the oligarchy - the ruthless capitalist elite which as Romney said does not care about the 47% and who using billions of dollars (since 1934 when their attempt to overthrow the government failed) have brainwashed millions (During Slavery they were called house n----rs) into believing they will get some benefit from the elite by creating a huge media network of colleges, professorships, think tanks, newspapers, TV (Fox News), radio, and the internet agents doing their bidding and reinforcing their interest that unregulated capitalism is best for everyone. Democrats on the other hand represent the professional classes (attitude is determined primarily by how you grew up not your current occupation example Warren Buffet). Republicans always do what's in the billionair's interest. Democrats once out of every 10 tries does something to benefit the middle class and poor the other 9 benefit the elite. Republicans shift the costs of their operations to society; Democrats sometimes don't allow the shift. Republicans redistribute wealth upwards; Democrats maintain the safety net (Keeps the elite safer). Money rules. Social issues meaingless. They are just used to promote the propaganda.
3. Somehow you think your contempt for the process makes you better, purer than everyone else. Doesn't. Your contempt is just what the elite wants because it means you never even try to make things right. You have given up before the game is played.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

1. So two wrongs make Obama

1. So two wrongs make Obama right – get real.

2. Given your first statement justifying Obama’s action because Bush started it sure sounds like a six year old that does not
understand – “Well he started it first.” - young Einstein. Here we go again R bad, D good.

3. Not sure where point 3 comes from. I do think smaller government, which applies to the right, left, and everything in the middle,
is more amenable to the pursuit of individual happiness. Yes, there is no guarantee you’ll achieve it.

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I think I made it clear

that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional - bad whether Bush or Obama did it first. But its a fact Bush did it first.
Smaller government benefits only the elite. Madison made this clear in Federalist No. 10 225 years ago. The larger the government; the more division and competition you get between and among the elite. When the elite is divided, we (non-elite) can succeed. Too many examples in US History have proved him right. What you must mean by smaller government is less interaction between the government and the individual. Not the same thing at all. Either way the asymmetry of power (Corporations huge and you none) means less individual freedom and happiness. Only the Federal Government is large enough to limit corporate abuses of their power. Only the Federal Government can be a check on Corporate power. The problem is it only acts as a check rarely. Watch what Irving does to Maine's wilderness with its open pit unregulated mining. The Federal mining law has been unchanged since it passed in 1872 and the behest of the Silver interests.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

"The larger the government;

"The larger the government; the more division and competition you get between and among the elite. "

So what are the so called elite competing for? Control of resources? Control of tax revenue? Control of the governed?
The answer is all of the above.

Larger government diminishes the ability of the governed to monitor behavior. The more able are government officials to direct resources to connections. For example, CIA, GSA, and TSA travel/party abuses on taxpayers dime.

Moreover, if the elite control the corporations (which is not a bad thing in my mind) and control the government, where do checks and balances factor in? Corporations can force policy on the governed that benefits their balance sheet. This behavior is pretty common even today, so I'm perplexed by your thinking that more is better.

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I agree

your analysis of the problem is close to perfect. Your solution is the worst possible because it doesn't address the problem i.e. the concentration of power in the elite but instead frees the elite to use their power without limit. The elite not government is the source of all corruption if by corruption you mean that decisions are made based on the benefits to the elite (te in-crowd the insiders) and not on any rational basis. Money has no morality. The elite is determined by money. So the elite range from competent, brilliant, geniuses - Gates, Buffett, etc. to the most morally corrupt degenerate morons on the planet. The aristocracy of money is no better than the aristocracy of birth we got rid of in the Revolution. 99% of corporations go bankrupt meaning 99% are mismanaged. When they go bankrupt those who mismanaged them just move on to the next corporation.
You throw your hands up and say destroy the whole system and I'll be OK because I'll keep my money. You don't have the power to destroy the system in te first place and they will never let you. Once you help them get what they want, you are history. That is a foreloin hope. The only solution for working people is to check ambition with ambition (Madison's method). Shared responsibility between two or more competing interests, groups, people. Never give one person, one group, or one interest the power to decide alone what the course of action will be.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

1. I believe my solution

1. I believe my solution addresses the fact that our politicians steer money to special interest. The formula is simple – less money to Washington, less bureaucrats to misappropriate the money, less fraud waste and abuse. I would put Warren Buffett in a class of individuals who manipulates government policy to his financial gain; I guess genius and benevolent are mutually exclusive traits. People of Thailand loath Warren for what he did to their currency back in the early 2000s.

2. Your comment about 99% of business going bankrupt is misleading the reader. If you look at, say a two-century time, perhaps you can claim that 99% to business today will not be in existence 200 years from now. Life is change. Anyhow, businesses are constantly coming into and out of existence, but they never go out of existence all at once.

3. Perhaps many people lack an understanding of business. Companies how make decisions by committee die by paralysis. You get into a situation similar to that of contemporary congress – deadlock. Your competition will eat you alive. In a corporate environment, many contribute ideas and concepts; however, the captain (aka CEO) must steer the ship. Missteps by one business are simply opportunities for the competitor.

4. One last parting thought. There have been many attempts of socially conscience business. Some mutual funds invest solely in socially conscience business. However, many don’t stay around very long – think of why.

Advice to readers:
Don’t dedicate your working life to a corporation. Invest your working live in developing and honing a skill that is in demand by many corporations, then align your skill to the highest bidder. Change is always with us, so change you skills over time to align with changing demand.

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OH Mark

1. Does nothing of the sort. It just means that the owners of corporations like Warren steer money to the special interests. You can fire the CEOs; you can politicians.
2. is a complete cop out. Yes, life is change. The job of business leaders is to profit during change. They do a very bad job of it.
3. Another cop out. Businesses are dictatorships. The ones that succeed are those that adapt. They adapt by harnessing the human capital within the organization. Those that use dictatorship fail because they raise up leaders who can not adapt or harness the human capital within their organizations. Yours must be a wonderful fantasy land if missteps by one business are just opportunities for the competitor. Missteps destroy organizations and lives. Unfetterred capitalism produces monopoly and destroys competition. To paraphrase the former head of GE, be 1 or 2 or get out of the business.
4. Agree sort of. Corporations should operate as most do within the context of their society. They must do as little harm as possible or be able to convince people that the harm they do has an overriding benefit. Corporations need to have a single goal which in the end is profits, but in the end it maximizes profits by furthering the goals and desires of its customers (society). That's not social concious investing.
Advice to readers is excellent. Agree completely. But it doesn't go far enough. Because you have to use those talents to promote change, critical thinking, rational decision making by all around you. Developing your own talents may be satisfying but it leaves you all alone. The one-eyed man is king in a world of the blind, but he's very likely to be burned at the stake.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Hmm, can’t we see imperially

Hmm, can’t we see imperially how corrupt current federal, state, and local governments can be with how it spends our tax dollars. How in the world will this get any better with more government.

The less revenue we send to our government the smaller is must be and the less impact they’ll have on our lives. Moreover, the less money they have to squander. Many have come before your who fell on that same sword – they fail to factor in human behavior – greed. Government is just another layer of greed.

Smaller is better on all axis’s.

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You obviously have a different definition of corrupt than I do. Madison most certainly took greed into account. In fact, that's his and my whole point. Powerful interests will always use any levers of power they can to enhance their wealth and power. Without checks and balances they will succeed. You never mention corporate power. It affects you much more than government. The smaller the governmnt the easier corporations can screw you. Power in America is divided among the government, corporations including chambers of commerce and similiar groups, social organizations, individuals. Can't take aim at just one. Have to deal with the whole system of power as Madison did. Corporations have the vast majority of power, wealthy individuals some, government much less, social organizations a little and middle and poorer individuals almost none. The smaller you make government; the more vulnerable you are to corporate power.
Sounds like money is your only issue. Power should be.

Jason Theriault's picture

I'm glad I don't have a subscription

First off, I don't have a problem with anyone endorsing Romney. However, the editorial board seems to have taken their talking points form the political ads instead of clear facts.

Yes, the deficit increased 6 trillion in the past 4 years. Obama caused 1 trillion of that, the rest is programs from previous administrations.

As for the ACA, he say that he was going to lose the congress, so he took a page out of Patton's book - A good plan today is better than a great plan tomorrow.

But the biggest thing he did with that trillion of debt he incurred? He bottomed out the recession so it could recover. I mean, 5 months into his administration, we were at 10% unemployment. We're at 7.8%.

But you came out in favor of McCain in 08, saying about Obama " His future is bright, his patriotism and capability unquestioned and his intelligence unparalleled. Yet the broad change he and his party vow to deliver is not what the country really needs."You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. But don't let that stop you, you came out in favor of Bush and McCain. In 4 years, you'll come out in favor of Jeb Bush.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

It is easy to say that Obama

It is easy to say that Obama bottomed out th recession, but it is a bit harder to connect the dots. Without connecting the dots you are guilty of presenting a false cause and effect argument. If you present no facts, then there is no rebuttal; it is merely you opinion that you try to pass off as fact.

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You must be joking?

Using Romney’s supposed successes in Massachusetts and the Obama’s ACA as the main thrust for your supporting Romney is shortsighted. Romney left Mass. in 47th place in job growth and a multi million dollar deficit. I certainly do not see this as positive reasons to put the man in the oval office. His consistent flip flopping on issues certainly hasn’t created and nurtured trust. I certainly have no desire to await his coronation to discover what it is he will decide to do once in power? Not me! God help us all if he does.

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Traitors to your blue-collar,

Traitors to your blue-collar, middle-class, Democratic city.

Diana Currier's picture


I already voted and it's NOT for Romney, I did vote to give OBama another four years, he did what he could with what he has, also he would do better if he had backers instead of people working against him.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Having an opposing parity is

Having an opposing parity is health and safeguards our freedoms. While you may be smug thinking life would be grand without Republican opposition, the smugness starts to wear thin when there is no opposition to tyranny. All governments seek to grow and gain more power; it a a phenomenon of human nature. We should all strive to limit the size and power of government.

Under the National Defense and Authorization Act (NDAA), president Obama has the authority to detain Americans on American soil infinitely and without due process. Moreover, the President enacted the NDAA by executive order on New years eve. A time when most people are not focused on government.

That alone is reason to not elect him for another 4 years.

Diana Currier's picture


i think not...this election is not over yet, so say what you want now, we will see in the end I guess. I would much rather, at this point, have someone that has been in there and knows whats up than someone like Romney going in and starting over ....

MARK GRAVEL's picture

You are correct. It is not

You are correct. It is not over yet. Romney can still win.

Did you vote for Obama last election and if you did, why didn’t experience matter then?

Moreover, if this country needs more jobs, then Romney has much more experience than Obama in that realm; Obama by the way has never worked in the private sector – never.

The US chamber of commerce says Obama’s polices is the number one reason small business job creation is suppressed.

Diana Currier's picture


I did and at least I can say I DID VOTE , Romney we DON'T want.... if he goes in remember, I told u so...

JOANNE MOORE's picture

US chamber of commerce....

Is an enemy of the working class.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

That is a sad comment.

That is a sad comment. Perhaps you fail to realize where those tax dollars that you so desperately want come from. Talk about killing the goose that lays your golden egg.

What would anyone want to employ a person with attitude is beyond me.

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We all know that the

We all know that the Vice-President is a heart beat away from the Oval Office. Whom would you prefer in he Oval Office; Paul Ryan or Joe Biden?


Romney is not right for

Romney is not right for women. He supports people who believe that rape is something God wants to happen. He puts women in binders. He just doesn't have a clue. Women are part of this country too and as far as I am concerned he just doesn't get it. He thinks 47% of the American people do not count. He doesn't understand many of the issues and what has been tried in all the states. He hasn't done his homework...for example wants to have tests to grade the schools and allow parents to put their children in schools that are passing the grade....wake up Governor Romney we already do that in Maine and it DOESN'T work.

While Obama has not accomplished what he said he would, is there really anyone who expects things to change in just 4 years when things were as bad as they were? And he isn't the only one responsible....what about the House and Senate who did nothing but collect a paycheck. If the House and Senate don't vote on bills then nothing changes. If they don't get their act together and compromise then nothing gets done but all we hear is how President Obama hasn't done what he said he would. Hold the other people in Washington just as accountable because they didn't do their job either.

Muslim, Mormon, Catholic, doesn't matter what their religious beliefs are....what matters is that ALL politicians have lied, exaggerated, or "misspoke" to promote their views.

Here is a away with the party system and make the politicians actually earn their money by actually doing what they are elected to do.

I know this is going to raise the ire of many but really....think about it....NO ONE PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE...IT TAKES THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY FUNCTION....THE PRESIDENT, THE HOUSE, AND THE SENATE. And I, for one, will not vote for a person who thinks almost half this country doesn't matter and who supports people who think it's God's will that rape happens (and yes I do know that Mr. Murdoch did not intend to make this point and that his point was on the conception of the child)....NO MAN has the right to tell ANY WOMAN what to do with her body.

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So, you support the

So, you support the legalization of prostitution?


And here is a

And here is a thought....maybe if prostitution were legal then more people would "officially" be employed and more taxes would be paid and therefore there would be more money for the politicians to fight over.

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Good point Tina

History has shown that politicians love whore houses. Lets legalize those houses and tax them for every roll in the sack as if they were buying a pack of cigarettes and "PUFF" the deficit will go away.

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Fitting answer to my

Fitting answer to my question.


Paul, just where in my

Paul, just where in my opinion was anything mentioned about prostitution....give me a break...

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"NO MAN has the right to tell

"NO MAN has the right to tell ANY WOMAN what to do with her body."
Lawmakers, some of whom are men, have passed the laws criminalizing prostitution. That sounds like men telling women what to do or not do with their bodies to me.

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Response to Prostitution.

If you check the "facts" you will find that the "majority" of prostitutes in this country are controlled by men either by money, drugs or intimidation of one kind or another.


Talk about needing to learn

Talk about needing to learn math...1+1 does not equal prostitution. I was speaking about abortions and other women's health issues.....smoke another one paul

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You made an open ended

You made an open ended statement and where called on it. Had you been more clear, your response would probably have gone unnoticed.
"smoke another one Paul"..."Talk about needing to learn math"...
What, exactly, is that supposed to mean?" You get disagreed with or challenged, and that gives you the right to get rude and insulting? If you can't learn to express yourself clearly, or to handle being disagreed with, you might consider another hobby.


I don't mind a good debate

I don't mind a good debate but when you ASSUME you know what someone is talking about you just show how much it is ok for you to have an opinion and not anyone else. And to ASSUME that having an opinion is a hobby is just ignorant. I have tried to learn as much as I can about ALL candidates for president. In my original post I had something negative to say about BOTH Obama and Romney. But since you cannot seem to handle when people point out the obvious it is your problem.

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Apology accepted.

Apology accepted.


More compare and contrast

There are people in this forum who claim Obama is a Muslim. He is not. There are some who disapprove of his pastor for many years the Rev Wright. He did worship there and whatever people think of the Reverend's political views you cannot deny that he is a bona fide member of a Christian religion. Same Bible same Jesus as all the other Christians. Some people in this forum seem to think it is important that we be a Christian country and that our leader share their beliefs. Well the conservative media went on and on about the Rev Wright but they are amazingly silent about Mormonism. It didn't occur to me until I read this week that a couple of well known protestant televangelists had to scrub their websites of comments they have made regarding Mormonism and about how unlike Christianity it is. In fact I recall a few remarks by some of the Popes also. If religion in politics is important to you perhaps you should instruct yourself in what it is Mormons really believe. I don't think you are correct in believing it is the same as your religion.

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The Pirate often wondered who

The Pirate often wondered who would be the first to throw the Mormon card on the table. Now we know.
There are some in this forum who believe barack oBAMa is about to become unemployed.


some cards

Why would a constant repetition of the falsehood that Obama is a Muslim or that he follows the polictical dictates of his RELIGIOUS advisor be fair game but you call it the the "Mormon card" Cute , really cute. If one candidate's religion is fair game then common sense would tell you that the other's is fair game also.

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There is doubt that BHO is a

There is doubt that BHO is a muslim, but there is absolutely no doubt that Romney is a Mormon. Bringing it into the mix of the campaign is no less you playing the Mormon card than me saying Colin Powell is supporting oBAMa for re-election because he's black would be me playing the race card. The race card is fair game; the Mormon card is a cheap shot. The surprise is that the democrats haven't begun using it at the national level. Their desperation musn't be strong enough yet.

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P.S. Show me in this forum or

Show me in this forum or any other where the Pirate referred to oBAMa as a muslim. I'll keep the crickets fed while we await your response.

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The wrong leader for this country

Joyce 12.11.27 09:40 hst ? Saturday
Has the former Gov. Romney supported anything for you in Maine ? Ever ? You see , no one ( not even you ) knows what ( or who ) he stands for besides the banks that got us in to the Great Recession ( the Mancession ? l o l ) and Wall Streets Mr. Bain , inc . , Bernie Madeoff , and possibly the Chinese . All politics is local . Now learn this much . He's a ƒish . He goes with the flow and changes direction with each and every prevailing wind . He's also an empty suit , devoid of ideas . Compare his airhead wifey to the Summa Cum Laude First Lady Michelle we have now or the former President Bushs' wives . No contest there • How about our Hon. Former Senator from NY ( D ) and current SECSTATE Billery ? Democrats get 'er done . We are a complete package of experienced husbands and wives . The Romneys are full of hot air and simply old ƒarts . coots . So is that guy they picked for VP running mate
We'll stick with forthright experience and a man who says what he means and means what he says , Barack Hussein Obama and stands up for US ,† y v m . The Obamas grow their own vegetables in the Rose Garden and have two cute little kids ( Shasha and Melia ) running around the White House
How cool is that , parents ?
We just took AMTRAK ® coast - to coast and you know what ?
An America Built to Last .us President Obama and VP Biden are working to build a country and an economy where we reward hard work, value fairness, and hold - e v e r y o n e - accountable for what they do . This means you •  100 Recovery Act Projects That Are Changing ... - The White House
Our critical strategic infrastructure is being improved - e v e r y w h e r e - including the rusting and corroding bridges , trains ( that carry vital coal and fracked oil ) , the Federal highways and even your roads in Maine and New Hamster ( sic ) ^^ using our President's cea_7th_arra_report act US$$ referred to above ^^
The President proposes . Congress disposes . Study history . Our Republican party evolved from the Know Nothing Party of natavists in the 1850's . Not much though . They - r e a l l y did -
This is a fundamental difference between radicals and reactionaries , thank goodness :D
h t h . /s , Your daughters and sons @ and Dr. Dosh and ohana . . ..

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I've read your post 3 times

I've read your post 3 times and came up with the same conclusion each time; laughable.
"Compare his airhead wifey with Summa Cum Laude First Lady Michelle."

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How come you don't mention it

How come you don't mention it was the democrats who were segregationists and the republicans were the ones who fought segregation?

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...because the

...because the "segregationist" were Dixiecrats who all switched to Republican party after the civil rights movement. Take a look at a map of red states and blue states, then look at a map of states that supported slavery in the civil war and those that opposed... notice any similarity.

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An interesting observation

All the pro Obama posted have more disagree counts than agree counts.

All pro Romney posts have more agree counts than disagree counts.

Could this be an indication of the election outcome – I hope so....

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Mark , 09:45 ? 54 am ish

Mark , 09:45 ? 54 am ish Saturday
. . Hope springs - e t e r n a l - in the hearts of mice and men . ...
Paul too :) A swan song for Mssrs. St. Pierre and Gravel --> By: Jimmy Buffett
1974 Mother, mother ocean, I have heard you call
Wanted to sail upon your waters since I was three feet tall
You've seen it all, you've seen it all
Watched the men who rode you switch from sails to steam
And in your belly you hold the treasures few have ever seen
Most of 'em dream, most of 'em dream
Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
The cannons don't thunder, there's nothin' to plunder
I'm an over-forty victim of fate
Arriving too late, arriving too late
I've done a bit of smugglin', I've run my share of grass
I made enough money to buy Miami, but I pissed it away so fast
Never meant to last, never meant to last
And I have been drunk now for over two weeks
I passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks
But I got stop wishin', got to go fishin'
Down to rock bottom again
Just a few friends, just a few friends
I go for younger women, lived with several awhile
Though I ran 'em away, they'd come back one day
Still could manage to smile
Just takes a while, just takes a while
Mother, mother ocean, after all the years I've found
My occupational hazard being my occupation's just not around
I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown
/s . Dr. Dosh and ohana
btw - Us Demoocrats already \/oted :D <- not an endorsement . .

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Don't know about Mark, but

Don't know about Mark, but the Pirate hopes you don't decide to sing Barometer Soup for us, knowing fully that it will be spiked with Kool-Aid.

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Why isn't it in print?

I'm glad to see this, but why was it not included in the print edition?

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Licia , 12.11.27 10:00 am -

Licia , 12.11.27 10:00 am - ish
My guess is that your newspaper is not , in fact , printed in Maine but is trucked in from PA or NY . .hopefully by union labor . Therefore , it was physically printed before this column was finished . Newspaper men and women do have deadlines to keep . . ...
h t h . /s Dr. Steve Dosh , Hawai'i , union supporter ( AFSA union :)

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The Lewiston Sun Journal isn't printed in Maine? I'd find that more believable if someone on the Sun Journal staff said it.

The editorial that did appear in the print edition this morning had today's date on it. The Romney for president editorial, as we see here online, has yesterday's date on it. For what it's worth.

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Consider the source, which is

Consider the source, which is from another planet.


The right choice

Romney is the right choice unless you are a senior, earn a paycheck, own a home or have kids. Those are the tax deductions his party wants to eliminate along with the deductions for state and local taxes . He wants to privatize and voucherize social security and medicare and put seniors at the mercy of financiers. And he wants to deregulate what financiers can do to their retirement funds.. He is the right choice unless you are a woman who does not look forward to living in a burkha. He is against equal pay for women, for insurance companies charging more for women by considering being female a pre-existing condition. He is against funding women's health care and for forcing women to bear a rapist's child. He is the right choice unless you want a balanced budget. The Ryan budget calls for deficits until the year 2030. His accomplishments include making money at the expense of others. His record in Massachusetts includes lots of accomplishments that he has run away from: gun control legislation, a health care mandate, pro choice legislation, raised taxes, a budget deficit etc. His best accomplishment is in hiding what he has done and what he plans to do. And finally he is the right choice unless you believe Americans should have the right to vote. His party has been caught committing voter fraud in 3 states and passed laws to disenfranchise voters in 14 states. And they have said out loud this is how they plan a Romney win.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Claire, Instead of just

Instead of just spewing hyperbole, how about some compare and contrast.
For example, “The Ryan budget calls for deficits until the year 2030.” compared to Obama’s plan that ....... Oh, Obama has no plan, so we can assume budget deficits indefinitely, or until someone with a plan is elected – like Romney/Ryan.

Another observation is all you can do is paint the picture that Romney is someone to run from. That is, you can NOT paint a picture that Obama is someone to run to – right out of the democrats play book.

One last contradiction that I want to point out is that not too long ago, you were asserting there was no voter fraud when Republicans leveled that claim. Not you are crying voter fraud.

So what is it - Fraud or no fraud.? If you claim fraud, then must support action against fraud, like voter ID.
“He is the right choice unless you are a woman who does not look forward to living in a burkha.”

This claim does not make any sense. Just think a moment about who is more closely associated with the Muslim faith – Romney or Obama.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

oBAMa does have a plan, Mark.

oBAMa does have a plan, Mark. It's a 20 page pamphlet that he's passing out among his friends and "constituents". Just came up with it last week.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Pirate, That is why I


That is why I brought focus on the topic of Obama’s economic plan. He was so pressured since he had none, the democrats cobbled together one. It could have been titled: “Notes from my Napkin.” Yes, this is an intentional spin on Obama’s book title.


To clarify

Voter fraud: There is a 99% absence of in person voter fraud. Therefore there is no sane reason for voter ID laws. There is however a ton of voter registration fraud. In 3 states Republicans have registered voters and thrown away Dem registrations. They have circulated false voter registration forms and they have paid voters to register. There are states where hours for voting have been cut in democratic districts and where people have been thrown off voter rolls who are legally qualified to vote and they are only democrats. So you see there is plenty of voter fraud but it is being committed by political party activists rather than by voters. This could however in another election be happening to any American. Voting is not a right we should give up just because we want to win.
As for compare and contrast: Obama has a record to be proud of. Bin Laden is dead and Detroit is not. We have 5 million new jobs and the stock market is doing better than ever. Housing is up, trade is up, manufacturing is up. We are out of Iraq and getting out of Afghanistan. Were it not for Republican obstruction you would have seen Obama's economic plan first hand. Like his birth certificate it is only hidden from those who close their eyes and ears and complain they can't see or hear.A hint: both are everywhere but on Fox News.
Women's issues: Any woman who would vote for a party that threatens every right women have fought for for the last 100 years has rocks for brains. Whether it be the right to work, to educate your kids. to be safe from attack, to have access to health care the Republican party has fought to send us backwards every inch of the way. Just as the unions fought with blood and treasure to prevent workers from being exploited and abused women had to fight to be treated as equals. People today do not remember what it was like before we had these rights. The Republicans want us to take a trip down memory lane.

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In 2008 there were 200,000

In 2008 there were 200,000 documented cases of voter fraud in Virginia alone. Do you expect us to believe that the technique used at that time has not been perfected more precisely since then.
Platitudes and misinformation will never ever make oBAMa a viable option for presiding over this country for the next 4 years. He's had his shot and it had the toilet.

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1. Obama did not kill Bin

1. Obama did not kill Bin Laden, the military did.
2. Obama took Detroit through a new kind of bankruptcy and screwed creditors; let’s see who wants to loan the auto industry money in the future knowing that can happen again.
3. Please tell me what is Obama’s economic plan, besides more taxes?
4. Precisely what rights are threatened and what action is taking place to remove said rights?
5. Easing regulations is not like rolling the clock back 100 years. Perhaps your assertions are with your rocks.

Being a retired schoolteacher, you should know emotion does not make a cogent argument. Perhaps you would do better to focus on one issue in depth than throw out this hyperbole. Otherwise, this is just partisan dribble. I may gain you points with some, but I need to see the beef.


A good capitalist

Obama did not kill Bin Laden, the marines did??? You have got to be kidding. Had the operation gone South you would not be shoveling blame on the marines. You would be skewering Obama. Just review Carter and his operation in the desert. As for the way Republicans treat women, it is not very hard to find. The following legislatures have passed legislation that limits women's health care and options, women's opportunity to get an education, get paid, get health insurance, get care for their elderly parents or get protection from violence. The US Congress, Michigan, Oklahoma, Miss. , Ala., Kansas, Nebraska and Idaho. Those are the ones I found in looking for 5 minutes. There are probably more and all of these initiatives were Republican. Add that to the planks in the Republican Manifesto passed at their convention and the War on Women's rights is not a figment of anybody's imagination. As for getting emotional about it, why wouldn't I care if my daughters will be living in the nineteenth century. As for being partisan, I don't ever recall seeing even one of your posts that wasn't in tune with the Karl Rove, Limbaugh hoe down. Karl has a ton of money from the oil industry that he is doling out to guys like you as if it was Halloween Candy. If you aren't getting paid, you should be turning in your credentials as a capitalist.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

A great leader gives credit

A great leader gives credit to the team when things go right. A great leader takes the blame when things don’t go right.
Obama has done the opposite. He proclaims “I” when he thinks credit is due, and he blames others (aka blame Bush syndrome) when things go bad.

Obama’s behavior is not in line with a great leader; therefore, he is not a great leader. In fact, he so readily blames others, like the economy on Bush, or Benghazi on a YouTube video, Obama does not even rise to the level of a mediocre leader.

Back to specifics, precisely what legislation from the US congress are we talking about, House bill xxx or Senate bill YYY, that is attacking woman’s rights?

I’m listening, but reader’s need information about specific action to understand what you are talking about - please.

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Mark, how do you even attempt

Mark, how do you even attempt to respond to this? Like you posted earlier, it's like trying to dodge birdshot, one pellet at a time.

Mark Elliott's picture

They are just spewing

They are just spewing rhetoric out of the liberal playbook........

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I would like to have a

I would like to have a point-by-point discussion on a single assertion, but at times, it is like being hit with birdshot. I guess, that too is a tactic of diffusion. That is to never have to get into the details.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

In terms of size, the liberal

In terms of size, the liberal playbook makes a Philadelphia Phone Directory look like a copy of Uncle Henry's Digest.

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Pirate, There is a crib


There is a crib notes version. It says the following:

The end justifies the means – whatever it takes.

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Mark ? 10:15 am - ish HST

Mark ? 10:15 am - ish HST Saturday
Religion has no thing to do with this election † y v m . Most people in this world are not of Western fai†hs ( i.e., Christians , Jews and our brethern Muslim ) . Most people worship multiple Gods a lå Buddists and Hindus , Tao and Confuscious , Natavists ( God lives in rocks & trees ) ., etc. , in Asia and India
Voter ID ? We are - all - Americans until proven other wise , in a court of law , by a jury of our peers . This is not ƒrance where one is guilty until proven innocent . Voter ID is a sham . Voter fraud was real in Flori-duh under Gov. Jeb Bush ( 5 3 4 hanging chads . Sheesh Louise . " You can fool some of the people some of the time . .. :) Look what we got ? The Great Bush - Cheney BS ( Bear - Stearns ) Recession
Obama has plans he has actually and in fact enacted and they are w o r k i n g and putting people back to work on the railroads . Also , take Obamacare® for instance . It works and is w o r k i n g ?
As for the US Federal budget ? The last balanced one was under President Clinton † y v m again
" Oh the tangled webs we weave . "
Vote for our President ? /s Steve , in his birthstate , HI

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Ahh, yes; the Hawaiian from

Ahh, yes; the Hawaiian from Kenya. Or, is it the Kenyan from Hawaii? So confusing....

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real leadership

Real leadership means being born rounding third and claiming you hit a triple. Or maybe it means amassing a fortune, hiding it overseas, by borrowing money other people are expected to pay back. Or maybe it means taking all sides of every issue. Or maybe it means rolling the USA back to the twenties. Could it maybe mean creating jobs - in China? Another war in the middle east? Controlling women's lives? Shaming and belittling the helpless?

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Or maybe it means getting

Or maybe it means getting your sorry ass out of the way while a real leader takes over.

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Mark , Ayuh • Everyone else ?

Mark ,
Ayuh •
Everyone else ? Your children are beyond your control •
/s , Steve Dosh :D

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"Everyone else? Your children

"Everyone else? Your children are beyond your control."
What, exactly, does that even mean? Does it have a meaning?

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Romney may be right for something, but definitely not President. Romney is in, what can only be described as, desperation mode, everything that moves, he attacks it and runs with it. Problem is he fails to take the time to check for accuracy. As for positions, we all know which side he takes, because he takes all sides. (can't be to careful).
Romney is running a perfect campaign of deceit, hoping his words will resonate in the minds of casual viewers, and he then hopes that, like himself, they don't check for accuracy. This man potentially being in any position of leadership scares the hell out of me, he is totally unqualified for the job.
Last night in Ohio, he made one of his breakthrough proclamations, Chrysler, is moving their Jeep manufacturing jobs to China. He then vowed to fight for every American job and keep them here. He looked so presidential making that statement, problem was, it was a complete lie. Romney made a cardinal mistake of the World Wide Web, he misread something and went with it, without verifying the information. Prompting Chrysler Corp. to issue a correction almost immediately. Not only weren't they moving, they're adding 1100, new job here in the U.S. What else would you like this fool to screw up. With the great former clown, Sanunu, at his side. This show has just begun......

MARK GRAVEL's picture

I would agree that Romney is

I would agree that Romney is not the best man for the Presidency. That said, Obama, proven by action, is absolutely the wrong man for this country.

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Yes, but this "fool" as you

Yes, but this "fool" as you call him knows how to pronounce "Masstwozits", he knows that there are 50 states,not give or take 57; he also knows that a corpsman is not a "corpseman", and we who support him know that if another U.S. Embassy is attacked there will be no cover up of the circumstances and who the attackers were.
Your boy is a clown in an off the rack empty suit.

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Paul, you must have made a full pot of "Cuban Coffee"

22 posts in six hours, pretty intense. First of all, Romney can pronounce "Masstwozits",( you left out one syllable), because he practically destroyed the place. I call the man a fool, because he is a fool. I can't wait to hear what he has to say from now till election day. He's to the point where he will say anything to please anyone. He has screwed up to many times, he talks without thinking. Obama may have misspoken a few times, but I don't remember Obama mistakenly telling a large crowd in Western Ohio, their about to loose their jobs at an auto plant to China. Watching on TV, we got the correction from Chrysler within minutes, The people in the crowd had to live with that "Lie", until they got home. How would you have felt? Just the expression on his face when he proclaimed the plant closure, and his fight to save the jobs, was pure joy, he loved it. He thought again, he had one up on Obama. Once again he screwed up. He has to learn to shut his mouth........

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Boy Frank, it sounds like you

Boy Frank, it sounds like you know both Romney and Obama better than they know themselves.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

He does. Just don't buy any

He does. Just don't buy any property from him. The parrot thinks he might be misrepresenting his wares.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

It's always refreshing to

It's always refreshing to have someone admit they're wrong.
BTW--You're counting my posts? Man, you need to get a pet or something.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

By the way, if you want to

By the way, if you want to think about deceit, think Benghazi.

Lastly, we know Obama has no clue as how to keep jobs in America. At least Romney knows why corporations offshore, so perhaps he is your best hope at turning the tide.

Please tell the readers what plan Obama has to stem offshoring - if you know?

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And your point is???

How soon we forget, Ryan was one of the"yes" votes in the Senate, to withhold funding for foreign diplomatic security in the first place. Obama doesn't need to stem off shoring, Romney needs to stop doing it. Obama, isn't in the process of sending 170 good paying jobs from Freeport Illinois, to China, under the guise of a "blind trust". Obama hasn't toured sweat shops in China, after purchasing them only to wonder out loud, how anyone can work so many hours in one of those places. It's on video tape, why anyone would want to capture that on tape is beyond me. The man is just bad news> Anyone who thinks Romney or Ryan are presidential material, I have some ocean front property for sale in Arizona you might be interested in.......

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Is that the stuff you bought

Is that the stuff you bought thinking you were buying a bridge across Bryant Pond?

FRANK EARLEY's picture

No, not quite....

I just got to watching Fox News. So I figured, hell, there's got to be tons of buyers out there, I might even throw in a bridge or two.....

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Yet no offers - strange ha.

Yet no offers - strange ha.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

1. Sufficient security

1. Sufficient security resources where available in the region but not deployed – why? Benghazi was a failure in execution.

2. By your standards, I’m also off-shoring because I own stocks in companies that off-shore. Moreover, if Obama owns blue chip stocks, then he too is like Romney and me by your standards.

3. Perhaps the man is bad new for those who sign their checks on the back, which may be good news for those of us who sign their checks on the front. Perhaps you have something to lose under Romney.

I support smaller government, something I cannot get with Obama. With Romney, we have a chance.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The Bengahzi situation alone

The Bengahzi situation alone is reason enough to vote oBAMa out of office. The way he's handled that; he should be charged with treason and impeached.

FRANK EARLEY's picture

I still have that beach front home!!!

Want to make an offer???????

Francois Bussiere's picture

Romney for President

Thank you for puting your view of President Obama, it is absolutely what has happen, except that you forgot to mention that this time around he is worshiped by those person who believe him in regards to Social Security etc. he is scaring them in order for them to VOTE for him. Also those that are on Welfare feel the same way, for these are saying that Gov. Romney is a RICH man who does not care for them.
How untrue that is, he cares very deply. My last comment is as follows: " The American Dream is to be Productive and eventually become RICH if you are so lucky and also be FREE thinking and care". Obama has killed this DREAM completely. For he wants us to BECOME a socialistic Country whereas if you become rich you must share it with everyone. Isn"t this also close to other Countries who surpress there POPULATION?
Now Think about how you vote on November 6, you will be chosing one or the other but in my opinion please follow the suggestion of this paper the Lewiston Sun Journal..

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Romney is pathalogical liar and the GOP can not be trusted.

Hopefully he will outsource the GOP party, and fox news to China...
Resulting in sanity once again.

It took 8 years "2 terms" for bush and most of Romney current staff / advisors to do all the damage they have. Now they expect a full recovery in 4 years, w/o McConnell senate, and Ryan houses efforts to compromise. Not to mention, disrespect the office of the presidency continuously.

GOP Congress blocked, filibustered and stalled progress every step of the way. So much so, Olympia Snowe has had enough, and is retiring.

A plan that conspired and matured over 4 years, has finally surfaced.

Romney and Ryan will be a repeat of bush. Terrible terrible mistake for all of us...

maybe the best thing would be to elect all republicans this time around, watch them screw everything up once again. Taking away our gains and hopes for equality. Than next time around, everyone will see and remember a terrible mistake was made, and vote Democrat

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Now are you ready to talk

Now are you ready to talk about liars?

Lastly, any reasonable person understands that Bush is not responsible for all contemporary ills, so perhaps you should be more specific as to what damaged Bush as caused and how. Otherwise, it is just partisan hyperbole. It is easy to accuse without having to provide facts.


My view

Rummy the wrong choice! it is clear that this paper has been for rummy from the start but honestly the 90% who dont make over 250 thousand and pay MORE taxes than this person does is totaly insane but I guess as editor you probably do make that kind of money and want the rest of us to pay even higher taxes so you can pay even less.

Mark Elliott's picture

This isn't about which way

This isn't about which way the paper "swings"...this is about common sense! Finally the Maine media is using a bit!

AL PELLETIER's picture

Kevin Raye and now Romney?

Guess now we all know how the Sun Journal swings. (never thought I'd write this).

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

But Al, they endorsed Angus

But Al, they endorsed Angus King. Surely, that must blow your hair back a little.

AL PELLETIER's picture

Still on the fence about Angus

I guess on this one I'll have to wait til I'm in the voting booth. I still think his lap top for tots brain storm was a mistake as SAT scores have dropped since his program began and it has cost us taxpayers a pile of money to police the little deviants.
GO PATS! the games about to began. I've got plenty of cold beer and munchies, generator is all set for tomorrow and my car port is full of wood for the winter. Life is good! Stay safe my friend.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You, also.

You, also.


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