LEWISTON — The question topping Maine's Nov. 3 ballot asks voters whether or not they want to repeal the same-sex marriage law passed earlier this year.
Though Maine was the fifth state to legalize same-sex marriage, it was the first where the Legislature approved the measure and it was signed by the governor without being directed by the courts. No such legislation has been approved by citizens in a statewide vote.
In addition to legalizing gay marriage, the law also reaffirms religious freedoms.
"This does not authorize any court or other state or local governmental body, entity, agency or commission to compel, prevent or interfere in any way with any religious institution's religious doctrine, policy, teaching or solemnization of marriage within that particular religious faith's tradition as guaranteed by the Maine Constitution," the law reads.
Both supporters and opponents of the law anticipated a people's veto question to appear on the fall ballot and have launched professional campaigns focused on fundraising and get-out-the-vote efforts.
None of the arguments either for or against the law plow new ground. Supporters say the issue is about fairness and equality, and opponents say it impugns upon tradition and will have a detrimental effect on society.
"I think we all want to live in a state that values and treats everyone equally under the law," said Jesse Connolly, campaign manager for the group No on 1/Protect Marriage Equality.
Marc Mutty, chair of the group Stand for Marriage Maine, said supporters of the repeal believe in equal rights for all, including gays and lesbians, but by changing the marriage law to include them, traditional marriage has been destroyed.
"The definition of marriage is so important because it has a impact on society — if marriage means this or that, it is diminished; it can't have value if it means multiple things," he said. "You are looking at a major cultural shift that a lot of people are just not aware of."
The new law offers a union between a man and woman who are capable of reproduction no "special place" in society anymore, Mutty said.
Connolly countered that the referendum is fundamentally about "Maine values."
"What kind of state do we want to all live in? I think we want to live in a state that values our friends and our neighbors, that values people that have been in committed relationships and that recognizes for too long they've been discriminated against based on this section of Maine law and that it's time to change," he said.
Much like the campaign to ban gay marriage in California last year, national groups have dumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into the efforts of both sides.
Groups such as the National Organization for Marriage, Focus on the Family, the Roman Catholic Diocese and the Knights of Columbus have contributed to the repeal effort, according to state campaign finance reports. Those contributing to uphold the law include the Human Rights Campaign, the American Civil Liberties Union, Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders and the LGBT Mentoring Project.
Polls indicate Maine voters are nearly split on the issue, with few undecided, and both sides agree it will be close.
"It's a toss-up right now in terms of polling," Mutty said.
Connolly said he doesn't have a crystal ball, but "it's going to be a very close election."



Sammie, you are a liar. The
Sammie, you are a liar. The people of Maine never voted down gay marriage. Not ever.
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By the way - your obtuse question about how establishing gay marriage in Maine will affect people here is not worthy of an answer. Bad decisions to enter a destructive lifestyle will always be prevalent but we don't want to encourage it with a change in the traditional meaning of marriage.
The independent people of Maine are disgusted with the way the governor and the National Gay Lobby signed a bill knowing full well that the people have voted it down before.
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Gay marriage has NEVER been voted on in Maine before. And the latest polling shows No on 1 ahead 50% to 41%.
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Triump - it is always this way with the koolaid drinkers. State facts and it drives them crazy. Will you stop the inane rants and answer the statements posted? What is your response to the fact that gays have increased rates of STDs, mental illness, anal cancer, etc. much higher than the 'normal' population - and yes no pun intended.
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"Mrs. McG - wonderful job. Here are some facts and I ask WHY WHY WHY would you want this in our great state of Maine" This writer is a total wingnut. WHAT WHAT WHAT of what you wrote is remotely affected by this law? Like the gays are going to leave? God, one really has to wonder about the mental state of some of the people who write. Then, someone like this writes, and you know for sure some of them are truly looney tunes. Please someone find this person, wipe his spittle, and take away his scissors.
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from The Bigot's Dictionary:
equality, n. "Everyone has the same right to do anything I say they can do."
bigot n. "Anyone who objects to my right to dictate to others what they can do."
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Some of the more than 1,100 rights denied same gender couples in our land of the free:
1. Access to social security after a spouse's death.
2. Access to health insurance through a spouse's workplace.
3. The right to custody of children after divorce.
4. Visitation rights for nonbiological children.
5. Joint parenting rights such as access to children's school records.
6. Bereavement leave after the death of a spouse.
7. Burial determination after the death of a spouse.
8. Domestic violence intervention.
9. Sick leave to care for a spouse or nonbiological child.
10. Legal validation of a long-term relationship.
11. Ability to live in neighborhoods deemed "families only."
12. Access to life insurance in a spouse’s workplace.
13. Access to survivor benefits in case of emergency.
14. Access to spouse’s benefits in case of emergency.
15. Ability to file wrongful death claims.
16. Right to shared property, child support and alimony after divorce.
17. Ability to file joint home and auto insurance policies.
18. Joint rental leases with automatic renewal rights if spouse dies or leaves.
19. Automatic inheritance of retirement savings tax free after spouse's death.
20. Automatic exemption of property tax increases on shared assets gained after spouse’s death.
21. Ability to file joint tax returns.
22. Access to tax breaks for married couples.
23. Veterans' discounts based on spouse's armed forces status.
24. Assumption of spouse's pension after death.
25. Ability to file joint bankruptcy.
26. Ability to collect unemployment benefits after leaving a job to relocate because of spouse's job move.
27. Ability to transfer property from one spouse to another without transfer tax consequences.
28. Access to fostering children.
29. Automatic next of kin status for emergency medical decisions and hospital visitation status.
30. Immigration and residency priority for spouses from other countries.
31. Ability to invoke spousal privilege in a court of law.
32. Access to reduced-rate memberships at health clubs, social clubs, and other organizations.
33. Prison visitation rights.
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Triumph, your points 1,2,3,6,7,9,12,14,16,18,19,20,22,23,24,26,27,30 and 31all have one major flaw. They assume the same sex partners are married. They are not married. Accept that and stop whining.
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Thank you for posting these ----again! It seems that this list gets posted almost daily, yet opponents still stammer that gays and lesbians already have the same rights. It makes me wonder if they can comprehend what they read.
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Mrs. McG - wonderful job. Here are some facts and I ask WHY WHY WHY would you want this in our great state of Maine:
The gay rights lobby in this country works unceasingly to advertise and glamorize a deadly lifestyle. They celebrate behavior that tears families apart, wrecks homes, and sentences people to lifetimes of loneliness, confusion, disease, and heartache.
According to the General Psychiatry in 1999, "homosexual people are at substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicid(e), major depression, anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence."
Dr. N.E. Whitehead from the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuals stated, "Studies show homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals. HIGHER rates of suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse are prevalent.
Physically, the consequences of homosexuality are devastatingly apparent:
According to the Omega Journal of Death and Dying, the median age of death for homosexual men is between 40 and 43. The median age of death for heterosexuals is between 74 and 80.
The Centers for Disease Control stats for homosexuals: (1) homosexuals accounted for nearly 65 percent of all new HIV cases (keeping in mind that they make up only 2-3 percent of the entire population), (2) Cases of Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis A and B, Lymphogranuloma Venereum, and virtually every other sexually transmitted disease disproportionately affected the homosexual community.
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Great question Sammie! The reason why we want to allow gay marriage in our great state of Maine is to allow all families equal rights, which helps to protect all people and particularly children of gay and lesbian couples.
Whether you want this to occur or not, gays and lesbians in committed relationships will continue to raise children either within or outside a state officiated marriage. However, if you can allow these families to marry, their children will benefit the most, from knowing that both individuals are parents and that they are not despised members of the community. Instead of allowing only one of their parents to be the official parent only harms the child in these situations.
Additionally, your information, though 10 years outdated, can still be understood through the fact that people like you exist. Do you believe your hatred for all GLBT people helps any emotional problems that any individual can be predisposed for? Do you think that your attitude relieves any of my heartache? There is no wonder that some GLBT people would be driven to a substance abuse problem when being so attacked by so many people.
Finally, the issue of HIV in gay men is undeniable, but I can assure you that YOU will live just as long even if you allow same sex couples to marry here in Maine. (Additionally, did you know that Blacks/African Americans accounted for over half (51%) of the estimated number of HIV/AIDS diagnoses made during 2007? Do you think that this proves African Americans to be secondary citizens like you consider homosexuals?)
sources:
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/adb/23/1/175.html
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/09/01/researchers-dispute-reasons-for-high...
http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/cou/56/1/56.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm
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You need to come up with some scientifically accepted, relevant sources.
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There is a difference between love and sexual attraction and sexual activity. It is not love which those opposed to gay marriage are trying to say is "wrong." Gay persons are as free as anyone else to love those whom they wish to love.
However, we oppose so-called gay "marriage" because granting this social status elevates sexual relationships which are the result of disordered attractions to the respectable status of marriage.
Why do we care? How do other peoples' relationships even affect us? Marriage is a public institution, not a private relationship. If it were, gay couples would not care if they were allowed to get married or not. Gay couples seek the right to obtain a legal married status to try to "normalize" homosexual relationships in the eyes of society. I suspect they are driven to do so, not so much because of any discrimination they might suffer, but because they suffer (tremendously) from an interior knowledge of their condition. They want to be accepted from the outside, because they are at war within. Gay persons deserve our greatest compassion and understanding for their pain and their struggle.
This does not mean, however, giving societal approbation to the very cause of their suffering. Such approbation does *nothing* to alleviate the true cause of their suffering and, in fact, creates more suffering to those to whom they unduly influence in what might otherwise be fleeting homoerotic attraction.
Homosexual activity denigrates the dignity of the human person and results in an unhealthy cycle of self-loathing, not brought on by society, but by the persons themselves for themselves. Our brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, dear old friends deserve more than being affirmed and congratulated in the source of their misery. They deserve to be shown and assisted in a way of life which contributes to their sense of self-worth and dignity.
I know there are plain old haters in the world. I know many folks do not have noble motivations for opposing homosexual marriage. But the motivations I've described above should be the loving motivation of all Catholics and Christian. We should know and understand that affirming the disordered and damaging relationships of our loved ones as a society only contributes to human misery. Persons with same-sex attraction deserve better.
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You really don't know what you're talking about.
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If you don't have a substantial criticism of something specific I've written, why do you bother to comment at all?
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No, you don't know what you're talking about. You are placing an inherent negative connotation upon something genetically inherent in a small but significant percentage of the populace, and your compassion-from-a-distance rhetoric is reminiscent of the sort of talk that tossed loved relatives into institutions such as Pineland, AMHI and other places that "cared for" the mentally ill and the mentally retarded. (In fact, there was a time when homosexuality could get you placed in such a facility.)
You cannot disentangle your own perspective, based on countless generations of hetero-normative cultural impositions, from that of understanding a simple truth: gays and lesbians are whole people. They feel and love just like those of us who define ourselves as heterosexual. If society accepts then with open loving arms, where is the internal turmoil, the inherent conflict?
Your lofty rhetoric waxes eloquent, but at the end of the day, it shares its sentiment with the ugly scrawl on people's homes, or the locker room beatings, or worse. Worst of all, you've convinced yourself that you have a clue about these people. I mourn for the waste of your intellect.
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Jay Bee - First of all, the notion that same-sex attraction is a genetic attribute is not a scientifically conclusive proposition. Even if it were a genetic trait, that would not mean that it is "normal" or the behaviors associated with its expression healthy or socially acceptable/beneficial. There are geneticists who claim that certain persons are predisposed toward alcoholism and depression. Genetic predisposition does not make it a non-disorder. There is nothing morally reprehensible about being predisposed to alcoholism or depression, but it isn't right to encourage the physical expressions often associated with alcoholic or depressive disorders, is it? And are alcoholics and those suffering from depression any less human? No!
And, I don't disagree that persons with homoerotic attraction are wholly human. I don't deny that they can love and feel affectionate emotions. However, I maintain that sex and love are not the same thing. To desire conjugal union with someone of the same sex is inherently disordered, as attempts at such a union necessarily frustrate its purpose and its end. It is not properly ordered to natural pyschological, spiritual, and biological complementarity or result in potentially lifegiving expressions.
Psychological evaluations of same-sex attraction are to me the most convincing from a scientific perspective. The persons I have known who suffer from same-sex attraction (and for some of these the suffering was *personally* expressed as suffering and resulted from the attraction itself, not the disapprobation associated with it) usually fit the historical profile associated with psychologists' description, most often abuse and/or uninvolved or absent paternal influence.
Even if society were to accept/celebrate homosexual unions and elevate them to the level of marriage, it does not solve the problem for the homosexual. He knows in his heart that the physical fulfilment of his desire is contrary to nature and to his own personal dignity. That's because there is such a thing as natural moral law written on the hearts of all. That is not a religious tenet, it's a human tenet.
Though you do not know me, and you have no reason to take my word for it, I can only tell you, there is no "from a distance" in my compassion.
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"...but because they suffer (tremendously) from an interior knowledge of their condition. They want to be accepted from the outside, because they are at war within."
This is one example;why should I bother arguing with you about such an unfounded and silly accusation? You truly don't present facts, only your erroneous assumptions.
And you don't even LIVE in Maine!
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How on earth is this an "accusation"? And, it's not an assumption, it's a reality personally testified to by many, many persons with same-sex attraction.
And, no, I don't live in Maine - but I don't see as that matters, since Maine was where I was born and raised and where all my family still and many of my friends still live. This proposition affects me, because it affects the lives of those whom I love. The benefits of truth and reality are not constrained by state borders.
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but this referendum is for MAINE people, not foreigners. You are entitled to your opinions, but you are not entitled to vote here. This is a question Mainers have to decide and since you are not a Mainer, you really should keep your opinion to yourself. You've obviously move to a more bigoted state, and that's fine, but please don't spread your hate here.
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For you information, I live in Bloomington, Indiana. I know that probably doesn't mean anything to you, but it is home to the Kinsey Institute, and is one of the most "prestigious" and most ***liberal*** college towns in all of America. I'm not going to "keep my opinion to myself." Thinking, voting citizens in the State of Maine can agree or disagree with my opinion and vote accordingly. Besides, how many millions of dollars and activities of special interest groups are being poured into the "pro" side from out of state? You can't have it both ways.
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Sorry, but as you are aware way to much money is pouring into the state from pro people like you. The fact is most is being channeled through dummy organizations in direct violation of Maine law. I'm sick of people like you coming into this state telling us how we should think. While I respect your opinion, why don't you just stay in Indiana, home of Dan Quayle, some achievement, and leave us to ourselves. We're adults we can think for ourselves without your input. Thank you and good night!
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Just who's definition of "truth and reality" are you talking about here?
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"...sexual relationships which are the result of disordered attractions to the respectable status of marriage."
That is another example. Your erroneous opinion; not a fact.
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How does this fit in with the "loving motivation of all Catholics"? NEW HAVEN, Conn. — The Supreme Court refused on Monday to block the release of documents generated by lawsuits against priests in Connecticut for alleged sexual abuse.
The justices turned down a request by the Roman Catholic diocese in Bridgeport, Conn.
Several newspapers are seeking the release of more than 12,000 pages from 23 lawsuits against six priests.
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Lil - that is what is called a "red herring." No Catholic is surprised to find sinners in our midst. It's horrible, it's scandalous and everything that can be done to prevent its happening again must be done. But the fact remains that there can be sinners in the Church, but the Church can still speak the truth on the natural law. In fact, if you want to compare the number of sexual abusers in the Catholic Church v. other churches, including liberal protestant and Jewish denominations, you will find the rates of abuse much higher in those churches - not to mention the MUCH, MUCH higher rates in the general population.
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"Persons with same-sex attraction deserve better." Exactly! Now, mind your own business.
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By propounding a public recognition of their sexual union, it has become *my* business, Lil. It is a public issue coming up for public, democratic vote.
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They're asking for marriage recognition, not recognition of their sexual union. Marriage is a civil contract which requires no church input.
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Okay - of their "union" -- which necessarily includes sexual acts, or it's not marriage - not even in a heterosexual relationship. And, I ain't from the Church, honey. I'm just a member of the American public. A civil contract is a *public* contract. They are asking for a public contract and public recognition.
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"which necessarily includes sexual acts, or it's not marriage " I believe that's out of Sunday school, Mrs "not from the church" McG.
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How many marriages do you know of that do not include any sexual activity - ever?
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My Bible Thumping Fundamentalist Christian ExPhusband and I for most od our marriage because he was too exhausted from screwing every married and unmarried Bible Thumping Fundamentalist Christian he could find outside the marriage to take care of what was at home waiting for him.
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We are so focused on equality that we forget we are all humans! If we want to be treated as equals, then what is the problem? Just because one person (God) said a union of marriage should be between one man an one woman, that it should be so? Here's my take. I was just 3 months old when I was baptised catholic. Did I ask to be? No. I was dragged to church by my parents because they thought it was the right thing to do. I believe in God but I also believe in myself. I do not need a higher power to believe in when things get tough. God does not pay your bills when you are down. Helpful people who go to church may help if they are able. God does not pull you out of harms way when you are in a wreck it is up to you to pay attention. I am a single Straight woman who has never married and has a child. I would like to get married someday but as we all know, marriage is not as valued as it once was. I look at it this way, Is it going to hurt you to have someone get married because they like the same sex? Will it corrupt your childrens values?
Only if you let it. What if it was your child who told you he/she was gay and wanted to get married? Would you shun them or disown them? Or do you support them regardless because they are our children? I'm not saying that believing in God is bad or anything of the sort, but that it's not everything just to believe in God. My daughter is not baptised. I'm giving her a choice. This country is supposed to be about freedom and free speech etc.. but what it's turning into is, if we don't like it or if the bible doesn't condone it then neither shall we. If two people are in love they should be free to make their own decision. That is the only way to have complete equality. As long as both sides are consenting to do the same. It's almost like being 30 and marrying a 60 yr old man. so what, if they are happy together then let them be happy. What might make one person uncomfortable, may make another person happy. So quit your complaining because you can't control something that's out of your control! Now things have gotten so bad it's pathetic. If society doesn't like it then it's a bad thing. If you teach your kids right and teach then to accept all things no matter how different they are then, this world will be a much better place and a greater start to living harmoniously together. Here's an example... For a while bi-racial marriage wasn't even heard of. Now it's almost commonplace. Do you all have a problem with that? I sure don't. Love is love. Love doesn't judge, doesn't hate, love always forgives. remember that the next time you see a gay couple walking down the street. They still are human after all. Also remember that gay couple may be the people who save your life someday. You never know . Would you be thankful they saved your life before you knew they were gay? Or would you wait until someone else came by to help you just because you didn't want a gay couple near you? I'd take the first person who came along. We all have the same color blood and we all have feelings. Get Over It!!!!!!!!!! If No means the same sex marriage stays then I'm all for it. It doesn't bother me. I embrace change. I get so bored with the same lame laws and standards. You have to wear a seat belt, you have to register your car, you can't do this you can't do that, even suicide is against the law.
We as a country want to help others. Well we can't help people, while we shun others that are different than we are, just because of their personal preference.
It's time to reevaluate people let's get to it!!
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Mutty's explanation on marriage and its important basis in society (as the foundation of society) is absolutely correct! Just look at history on this matter and when the traditional family is destroyed, so too, does society fall apart. We can see this decline and suffering through the years of increased divorce in this country. So many children have suffered because of this and families are left separated and depending on benefits and others to support themselves (rather than family).
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I will vote against same-sex marriage. It is against God no matter how "religious" the gay supporters claim to be. You cannot change or ignore the Bible just to suit your own sexual preferences.
Secondly, all the pro-gay marriage ads and programs are coming from out of state. Wealthy gay businessmen/women are contributing thousands of dollars to select political candidates and issues to push their agenda.
Sadly, many voters do not realize the outside influence on this matter. If they did, they would realize how evil this agenda truly is.
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I will 'cancel' your vote by voting NO on 1!!
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"You cannot change or ignore the Bible just to suit your own sexual preferences." Not everybody lives by the bible, and the constitution says I can ignore it if I want.
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You're absolutely right...my point exactly. I appreciate your honesty, even if I don't agree with your point of view.
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I as a "Minister of the gospel" The state government has no rights getting involved. Politics and religion don't mix under any condition. Then you have all the "so called Christian people", that claim to be holier than thou", all these people need to get a real life and find something more constructive to do with their free time. "God put us all here for a purpose". Whatever we are doing here is the purpose god put us here, rather u be straight,gay, or bi sexual, this is the purpose god intended for us and thats why we're here in the first place.
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"...there has developed in our nation the false notion that the Christian or any person of faith, in order to be a true American citizen, must bracket his faith life from his political life...While true religion teaches the natural moral law, the observance of the moral law is NOT A CONFESSIONAL PRACTICE. It is rather a response to what is inscribed in the depths of EVERY HUMAN HEART. If Christians fail to articulate and uphold the natural moral law, then they fail in the fundamental duty of patriotism, of loving their country by serving the common good."
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So called "christians" need to get their own houses in order. Whatever happened to the golden rule?
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Christians do need to get their houses in order. There is no question about that. But the Church and individuals of particular faiths are still required to act for the common good and to be good citizens of the nations they inhabit. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.
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Nothing happened to it, but it doesn't have anything to do with Leviticus 18:22. And if anyone want to pique "Yeah, but that's the Old Testament", take a look at Hebrews 13:8.
Not to mention a prominent figure in the New Testament said "Think not that I've come to destroy the law".
Homosexuality is still an abomination no matter how much man tries to justify it.
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If you go by the anti-equal rights quy, Mutty,s definition of marriage most of us would not qualify amomg many of the one man one woman marriages because the do not fit the second criteria of being capbable of reproduction. My sister had a complete hysterectomy at 21 due to ovarian cancer. At that time she had not married and since she could no longer reproduce, under Mutty's her marriage she has enjoyed to a wonderful man for the past 30 years could not take place. What about one man one woman couples beyond child-bearing years, according to Mr. Mutty we are a threat to the family. What about those who do to physical disability or other reason are infertile, seems they are also a threat an inelligable for marriage under question 1. The truth is that over 50% of ALL one man one woman capable of reproducing marriages end in divorce and that is the real distruction of a family, one family at a time and the number one reason given foe divorce MONEY. Money or insufficient funds to sustain a family unit is the number 1 cause of divorce and divorce involves not only the one man and one woman but the children they produce and how they deal with their future relationships and marriages. If you are serious about saving the family, get serious about doing something about what breaks up most families, they dont have enough income to survive as a family.
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Candice Anne - There is a difference between two persons who are by their intrinsic biological nature incapable of reproduction and those who are incapable of reproducing, not because of their sex (which inheres in the person), but because of some fault of nature or obfuscation of nature (e.g., contraception). Maybe it will relieve you to know that even heterosexual couples are considered ineligible for marriage if one or both partners are incapable of completing natural sexual relations due to biological conditions resulting in permanent impotency. And, Catholics are consistent with the need for openness to children. Included in one's marriage vows is the promise to accept children lovingly from God. If a couple plans *deliberately* never to have children at the time of these vows, their marriage is considered invalid, unless the defect is overcome later in the marriage.
And, those whose marriages end in divorce due to financial reasons do not do so because there is not "enough income" to survive as a family. They end because there is disagreement on how resources, however great or limited, should be allocated in the family budget - or lack thereof.
The number one cause of divorce is always irreconcilable differences. Couples need to learn humility, patience and forgiveness to be able to survive long term in marriage. Society certainly puts no emphasis on those first two qualities.
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I am not sure where Mutty's definition came from--I missed his post so can't reference it. Statistics do show that financial difficulties play a major role in marriage difficulties, but the answer will never be more money, paying a "living" wage, or raising minimum wage. People in America have higher incomes than most of the world, yet we have incredibly high debt. We all make choices in how we spend our money. If you spend $5 for lunch out rather than a lunch from home that might cost $2, you are spending $750 extra each year. There are lots of ways to save money, but it is an uphill battle against the advertising and "I want it know" culture. Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University is one of many programs available for re-educating ourselves on how to control our money. It is much better to tell your money where to go rather than wonder where it went.
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I know many people involved in same sex marriages that have children. I will also say that these children are brought up better, respect people more, and have no issues compared to the families that are brought up in single family homes. Everyone preaches religion, what about equality and doing what is right. I am sure in the bible someplace it says treat all equally, right? We can pick in choose what we want to preach and talk about leaving out other parts that could be considered in favor of same sex marriage. Then you get the people like TAXPOOR that really have no idea what their talking about "tarred and feathered" please!!! I hope that NO ON 1 is successful in their challenge they have upon them on November 3, you have my vote of NO.
I know of a young child that was watching a commercial one morning and said why don't they want those two ladies to get married, her father told her, and she responded that is stupid people should be able to do what they want if they love someone. From the mouth of a child, amazing.
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Please do not invoke the Bible to support gay marriage. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, although God loves homosexuals no less than He loves any other sinners. Romans 1:26-27 (New American Standard Bible) says: For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. See also Genesis 19 and Leviticus 18:22 - "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
"Religious" people killed Jesus and they also turn the Scriptures on their head to say any thing that they need and want it to say to justify their own sinful behavior.
If you want to support gay marriage, fine. It is a free country. But please understand that what you are doing is rejecting the Bible and the God of the Bible. Let's at least be honest about that. This country is bent on becoming a nation that does not acknowledge God or His Word. It needs to "come out of the closet" about that.
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So jpat, how do you know that these people that wish to be married to someone of the same gender want to" lie with a male as one lies with a female?" What gives you, or anyone else, the right to think about what these folks are, or are not doing behind closed doors in the privacy of their own home? If two men, or two women, could prove that they didn't "lie with a male as one lies with a female" or lie with a woman as a man would lie with a woman, would you let them marry then? It seems to me that those that want to overturn the law, only wish to do so because of what they perceive as going on where they have no right to think about what is going on. Doesn't the bible tell us to judge not lest we be judged. Jpat, it seems that you are judging these people without any knowledge, so you are prejudging. Doesn't that make you prejudiced? Maybe you all that have views such as this, should take some time out of your busy day and do some soul searching about why you actually feel the way you do on this issue, close the bible first though, and just think about on a human level.
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But if we close the Bible then we close the book on the standards that we hold dear. It may be stylish to accept what I think or feel as truth, but more and more people are finding that to be a simply farce. Truth is far above feelings. There are absolute truths that no human intelligence has created. We can only observe--as it were--the tip of the iceberg.
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These people already have the same rights as everyone. This law was snuck in because the gays knew most of the people would never vote for it. The people that voted for it and the gov that signed this law should be tarred and feathered. They knew it had been voted down more then once but still got it passed. Do gooders with no morals. I guess they do what they want no matter what most of the people want. What shady people you have have running your state. MARRIAGE=1 MAN 1 Woman
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You are right. They do have the same rights. Everyone has the right to marry one person of the opposite gender. It has been that way throughout the world since the institute of marriage began. Some cultures allow more than one spouse but the opposite gender part is still the same. Gay marriage has been rejected every time it has been voted on by the citizens of any state. In the places that allow gay marriage it was ruled into law by legislature or courts. LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE!!!
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Taxpoor, you hit the nail right on the head! A few years back , they would all be Tarred and Feathered! How times have changed and I do not believe for the better. Do the gays really think a piece of paper is going to make people think differently about them? In fact, times are changing so fast the gays may not care if they are "married" or not. What does Islam say about them? And they may well be our future leaders.
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Again, TAXPOOR, you have shown how stupid and ignorant you are on the subject!! You need TAR AND FEATHERS!!
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