E. Field: Aim at the main problem

Regarding Larry Carrier’s anti-immigrant letter (April 27), I have to say first that many people don’t consider Rush Limbaugh a reliable source of information.

Carrier said, “I am fed up with people who will not work and then take my tax dollars to live a life free of the stress from everyday burdens of supporting themselves.” An Associated Press article points out that many illegal immigrants have jobs in the U.S. through the underground job market even before they cross the border.

During the past two years, many illegal immigrants left the U.S. because of a lack of jobs during the recession and we are now at net zero — as many people leaving as coming in.

Immigrants have always come here to improve their lives by getting decent jobs. The truth is that illegal immigrants can’t legally get welfare. No cash aid, no TANF, no Medicaid. They can’t get federal housing, either. It is just wrong to say they get lots of welfare money.

General Electric made $81 billion in profits over the past five years, paid no taxes and received $3 billion in tax rebates. Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Verizon, Honeywell, Merck, Boeing and Microsoft use offshore tax havens to avoid paying U.S. income taxes. So do very wealthy people. If everyone paid a fair share, it would lessen the burden on working Americans.

Instead of blaming immigrants for the nation's problems, maybe we should try to change the main problem, the unfair tax system.

Ellen Field, New Gloucester

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 's picture

What about the Heritage Report

The recent Heritage Report concludes that it will cost the US $6.3 trillion dollars if undocumented immigrants are "legalized" through some kind of program that will give them a green card or citizen status. If we are already giving these good people welfare, and education, and retirement why would it cost us anything to change their status. If they are not getting these benefits, then maybe this estimate might mean something. You can have it both ways - receiving benefits now and changing their status will give them benefits.
Of course, the Heritage Report is very honest it reports costs only not benefits. When you look at both, legalizing immigrants will, as it always has been, a major boost for our country.

 's picture

It was not an anti-immigrant letter.

An immigrant is legal by definition. There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. If anything, the letter was anti-illegal-alien.

Immigrants are those who come in the front door, from the founding of the country through the present day, and play by the rules. You can usually spot them by their expressions of disgust caused by watching illegals skip passed them to the head of the line.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

First, if someone is willing

First, if someone is willing to enter the US illegally, what makes you think they are not willing to illegally apply for welfare benefits?
Second, there are many services, such as education and healthcare, that cannot discriminate based on legal residency. Someone has to pay for those services – the taxpayer.

What you are falsely implying is that it is okay to break the law and enter the US illegal and apply for taxpayer funded services if an only if the rich paid their fair share (whatever that means).
Lastly, there is still a huge problem when there are 11.5 Million illegal aliens in this country. Moreover, the gang of eight has ignited a net positive migration due to talking about Amnesty.

Promoting an equitable tax system (flat tax) and controlling illegal immigration are two mutually exclusive issues. While illegal immigration is not the root locus of all the country’s problems, it is certainly one of the country’s malignant tumors.

Bruce Hixon's picture

Why do they come?

Mark, to a point I understand your feelings, yet I think they are based on what may be convenient to support a political position. In all truth, the largest share of those entering America past and present are a byproduct of American corporate greed. We have allowed our corporations to expand throughout the depressed world to expand profits trough the continuation of sweatshop wages, and in this hemisphere, Mexico, among others, is a prime target. Many American appliance manufacturers use Mexican labor because wages are so depressed there. We don't see them creating jobs for American taxpayers. We shuttered our factories, and sent our manufacturing jobs offshore. Our paper industry's in peril causing secondary woods job losses up north. We abandoned “Mom and Pop "stores and Maine's small business's who provide American jobs and products to shop at Wal-Mart, LL Bean, Sears, Nike, and others, who sell goods produced for 21 cents an hour in conditions unlawful in America. This doesn't save us money, it accelerates American job losses. "illegal aliens" and refugees are two separate groups, and one is quite similar to how we all arrived here. We are all refugees in this country even if your ancestors came through Ellis Island. This was not our land. We stole it after Samoset helped us survive during the starving time in the Jamestown Colony. Far too many "White Folk" think this is our land, but fail to recognize the four heads on Mt Rushmore as the four Americans most dedicated to the ethnic cleansing of this country. Our so-called Illegal immigrants cannot go to college without papers, yet Bill Gates brought thousands of highly educated computer science immigrants into this country on H1b visas so he could pay them less that American educated computer scientists. Mark, we stole this country from its rightful owners, we abuse the hell out of it, and we have the temerity to point the finger at others. I think you are pretty smart, and I also think that if you were a Mexican national, you would have found a way to come to America to escape the economy WE created there. I know I would have.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

I’ll only address a few

I’ll only address a few pellets from your shotgun blast.

1. There is a distinct difference between immigrants from Ellis Island and those who skip the boarder. The former is legal entry, the latter is illegal entry.

2. “we stole this country from its rightful owners” – who are the rightful owners? Are not all humans migrants? If you are implying American Indians are the rightful owners, then you had better ponder whom they took the land from. We are the current owners, so we can set the rules.

3. “...economy WE created there” Really, you cannot be serious. You do know that 40% of the migrants from South of the boarder are not Mexicans – right? There is a whole continent below Mexico... Did "WE" recreate their plight too?

4. All that said, we do agree on one thing. I too would jump the boarder if it meant a better life, so that reveals the solution to illegal immigration. If they cannot work, get healthcare, get education, then life will not be better here.

You are dead wrong on this point - "Our so-called Illegal immigrants cannot go to college without papers". Just spend a little time with Google.

Bruce Hixon's picture

Not really a shotgun blast, just a difference of opinion

On point one, I was referencing the Jamestown Colony, which was a very long time before Ellis Island. On point two, Mount Rushmore displays the faces of the four American Presidents most dedicated to the genocide of the American Indian. Google has plenty of facts supporting this allegation. On point 3 I simply left out Nicaragua and El Salvador and Guatemala figuring you knew that. Do you know how many Democracies The United States has overthrown in central and South America to further their own interests? That's a fair amount of reading. On point 4, I appreciate the fact that we would both do what it takes to provide a better life for our families. The sad part, is that those illegals take the jobs no American will do now, and think they are making a fortune. Cases in Point, Meat packing in Dodge City, DeCoster Egg Farms in middle America and in Maine along with many other poultry jobs, picking Maine blueberries, apples and oranges so they can bring their families here to a hopefully better existence. Until recently, they have been very able to work for companies who don't identify them and pay them half the wages of a documented worker. And on the College part, I am aware of no scholastic scholarships available to undocumented workers. Undocumented students CAN attend college, but they must pay their own tuition and are not legally eligible for financial aid. If you found something I missed please share it with me. Thanks

MARK GRAVEL's picture

I’m not sure what the end

I’m not sure what the end game is behind this information. Neither your nor I can undo the sins of our ancestors.

Nor can you or I undo the sins of our past.

All that we can do is move forward; the only thing I can control is myself.

UC Berkeley offers scholarships to illegal immigrants - http://rt.com/usa/uc-illegal-undocumented-university-917/

Scholarships Just for Illegal Immigrants - http://www.cis.org/seminara/scholarships-just-illegal-immigrants

Scholarships for Illegal Immigrants - http://www.collegegenie.com/minorty-scholarships/scholarships-illegal-im...

Bruce Hixon's picture

I did check your links, thank you

I really don't mean to be picky Mark, but I went to college full time, while working more than full time at my Wendy's over on Lisbon Street in Lewiston. The GI Bill helped me for sure, or I would not have had the resources to graduate. I noted that most of the scholarships available were between $500 and $1000 but for undocumented students, the tuition charges were tripled. I have no clue what tuition costs are today, but they chewed up my GI bill pretty good back in the mid "70s. The GI Bill is now not very attractive, and those undocumented who served in Iraq and Afghanistan gain little. I appreciate your sending me the links though. Take care

MARK GRAVEL's picture

You also have to consider

You also have to consider that in States like Texas and California State colleges, which are subsidized with tax dollars, offer in-state tuition to illegal immigrants. Yet another benefit.

 's picture

Be careful in southern California.

If you're wandering around south of LA down toward the border and get in an accident, make sure it happens near a taxpayer funded non-profit hospital. Most private hospitals had to close down their ER's because they were overwhelmed by illegals. They had to close them entirely because it would be illegal to have them open only for the fully insured or the "rich".

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

..."I have to say first that

..."I have to say first that many people don't consider Rush Limbaugh a reliable source of information."
I could very well say that I don't consider Ellen Field to be a reliable source of information, and the first thing she and her supporters would say to me is, "Where is your proof? Show us some documentation." So, I say to you, Ellen, give us some proof and tangible examples of Limbaugh's unreliability in providing information to his listerners.
"Instead of blaming immigrants for the nation's problems, maybe we should try to change the main problem, the unfair tax system."
This is the only salient point of Ms. Field's letter. Our tax system is unfair. It is unfair that a person earning $300K a year has to pay a higher tax rate than the one earning $80K. It is also unfair that the guy earning $16K a year pays no taxes and then on top of that gets a tax refund under the earned income tax credit part of the tax code. Ellen is darn right when she writes that the current tax system is unfair and needs to be fixed. A flat tax would be a great fix. Oh, and the guy earning only $16K a year? Under the flat tax make the first $18K of income non-taxable. Just don't give them a tax refund for not having earned enough money that year.

 's picture

Kudos too.

Or two.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Kudos times 10.

Kudos times 10.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Thank you. What do you think

Thank you. What do you think of the abolishment of the Agree/Disagree options?

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Has SJ publicly given a

Has SJ publicly given a reason or publicly responded to people’s outrage that you know of?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Not that I'm aware of. They

Not that I'm aware of. They probably don't give a squat what we think. They only concern themselves when we say naughty stuff.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Look at dat, look at dat...

Look at dat, look at dat...

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Personally, I think they may

Personally, I think they may be having some technology challenges since all their JAVA scripting routinely crashes and errors. Perhaps their web designers are not top notch and they are struggling to say afloat.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The kudos buttons are back.

The kudos buttons are back. Is it because the people have been heard or is it just good karma?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Hadn't thought of it that

Hadn't thought of it that way, but you make a good point. However, I do remember a couple of weeks ago where a couple of the liberal posters complained about people who hid under the umbrella of anonymity by clicking the disagree button rather than identifying themselves and engaging them openly. What they don't get is that you can argue with a liberal all day and end up feeling like a hamster on an exercise wheel. I think the SJ simply capitulated to these people and screw the rest of us.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Yes, I frequently see those

Yes, I frequently see those complaints when someone disagrees but does not respond with text.

I don’t know about you, but I call that freedom of choice.

How pathetic one’s life is when that petty issue becomes the focus of your day. Epiphany – that comment is from the same group of individuals who think they own the patent on how they and others should live.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Bingo!!

Bingo!!

ERNEST LABBE's picture

Kudos

Kudos.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Thank you. What do you think

Thank you. What do you think of the abolishment of the Agree/Disagree options?

Bruce Hixon's picture

Kudo's?

Who give a rats A** Who cares who agrees with you.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I don't give two figs about

I don't give two figs about who agrees with me. I just want to be able to disagree with you without having to engage in a pissing match if that is my inclination on that particular day.

Bruce Hixon's picture

two figs

I think my post said exactly what you said Paul. Have a smiley day.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Why of course. My "you" was

Why of course. My "you" was generic, just as I presumed yours was. 0O:-)

Bruce Hixon's picture

Paul,

yeah, i could have worded that better. My bad!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

No harm, no foul. No offense

No harm, no foul. No offense taken.

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