Two buildings destroyed, one damaged Monday in another Lewiston downtown fire

LEWISTON — A fire on Monday morning destroyed two vacant buildings on Bartlett Street and damaged a third apartment building on Horton Street.

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Blake Street fire, April 29

105 Blake St.

Owner: Watkins Property Management

Purchased: 2003

Assessed value: $191,340

Units: 9 (under eviction notice; set to be auctioned May 22)

172 Bates St.

Owner: Caron Property Management

Purchased: 2009

Assessed value: $210,000

Units: 12

82 Pine St.

Owner: ASM Properties

Purchased: 2006

Assessed value: $154,120

Units: 9

Pierce Street fire, May 3

149 Bartlett St.

Owner: St. Laurent Housing Associates

Purchased: 1982

Assessed value: $286,500

Units: 9

110 Pierce St.

Owner: St. Laurent Housing Associates

Purchased: 1982

Assessed value: $416,310

Units: 10

114 Pierce St.

Owner: St. Laurent Housing Associates

Purchased: 1982

Assessed value: $389,400

Units: 10

116 Pierce St.

Owner: Denis Gilbert

Purchased: 2004

Assessed value: $67,440

Units: 2 (condemned May 10, 2012)

Bartlett Street fire, May 6

114 Bartlett St.

Owner: LJM LLC

Purchased: 2009

Assessed value: $130,760

Units: 8 (vacant)

118 Bartlett St.

Owner: LJM LLC

Purchased: 2009

Assessed value: $130,760

Units: 8 (vacant)

91 Horton St.

Owner: David Langelier

Purchased: 2007

Assessed value: $116,460

Units: 3

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The backs of the two buildings on Bartlett Street in Lewiston show the damage after an early-morning fire Monday.

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A firefighter tosses debris from a window of one of two four-story apartment buildings destroyed by an early-morning fire Monday on Bartlett Street in Lewiston.

Streets closed

Monday: Lewiston reports Pine Street is open; Walnut Street should be open by 11:30 a.m.; Bartlett Street closed from Birch to Pine; Horton Street closed from Walnut to Pine Street. (Updated 11:15 a.m.)

Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Water from a aerial ladder truck is shot onto the roof of one of two buildings burning on Bartlett Street in Lewiston early Monday morning.

It was the third major fire in a week in Lewiston's downtown.

Firefighters responded after the 2:46 a.m. call and arrived to find the backs of all three buildings — 114 Bartlett, 118 Bartlett and 91 Horton — in flames.

The three properties are separated by a small courtyard.

"Given the intensity of what they found, I could understand how fire could jump,"  fire Chief Paul LeClair said. "This one really spread very quickly, much like the Friday night fire."

The immediate concern was making sure it didn't spread to neighboring properties, he said. The fire was under control by 7 a.m. There were no injuries, although some firefighters reported dehydration and overexertion.

The investigation into the source and cause was expected to get under way immediately.

At a press conference Monday afternoon, police Chief Michael Bussiere said investigators had not yet determined a cause of the fire.

A fire department source said the fire was believed to have started in a garage behind the buildings.

The number of people evacuated from 91 Horton St. was unclear, but LeClair believed there was a good chance those tenants would be able to return to the property.

The other two properties, twin blue-and-gray, four-story buildings, were a loss.

"They're very heavily damaged and in my estimation they'll need to be torn down," LeClair said.

Both buildings were being remodeled had working sprinklers that poured water on all floors during the fire, and that water coupled with the water used by the Fire Department has likely ruined everything inside the building, LeClair said.

Everett Jankowski Sr., who lives across the street at 119 Bartlett St., said his roommate smelled smoke and called 911. When they looked outside, the Bartlett Street buildings were fully engulfed.

"We watched all of it burn," he said. "We watched the firefighters do a great job trying to put it out."

Jankowski said 118 Bartlett St. looked like something out of the movie "Backdraft." "(Fire) just rolled across the edge of that roof."

He was "seriously nervous" after the recent spate of fires downtown. The buildings under rehab had three-bedroom apartments.

After Friday's fire, Jankowski's roommate told him, "'I've got to get out of this neighborhood.' Just two days later, all of a sudden, right across the street from our house," Jankowski said. "It's ridiculous. And I love Lewiston. We do so much to make it a great city. What do our residents want to do? Just knock it down to nothing? It's bananas."

According to city records, 114 and 118 Bartlett St. are owned by LJM LLC. The properties were valued at $102,600 each.

The building at 91 Horton St. is owned by David Langelier and valued at $116,460.

The latest fire is just blocks from two earlier fires in the city. The first happened April 29 and destroyed three buildings on Blake, Pine and Bates streets. On Friday, another fire damaged four buildings on Bartlett and Pierce streets.

Those fires left nearly 200 people homeless.


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Firefighters hose down hot spots on one of two buildings on Bartlett Street in Lewiston that were destroyed in an early-morning fire Monday.

Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Firefighters hose down hot spots on one of two buildings on Bartlett Street in Lewiston that were destroyed in an early-morning fire Monday.

Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Firefighters look for hot spots that remain in one of two four-story apartment buildings destroyed in an early-morning fire Monday on Bartlett Street in Lewiston.

Lewiston fire
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Firefighters battle the third major fire in a week at 114-118 Bartlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning.

Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Firefighters battle the third major fire in a week at 114-118 Bartlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning.

Third major fire in a week strikes Lewiston
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Firefighters battle a fire at 114-118 Bartlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning. It is the third major fire in a week in downtown Lewiston in a week.

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Firefighters battle the third major fire in a week at 114-118 Bartlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning.

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Firefighters battle the third major fire in a week at 114-118 Bartlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning.

Laurent Gilbert Jr.

Firefighters train hoses on burning apartment buildings at 114-118 Bartlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning.

Laurent Gilbert Jr.

Flames erupt from one of two apartment buildings at 114-118 Bartlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning.

Laurent Gilbert Jr.

Smoke pours from the tops of two apartment buildings at 114-118 Barlett St. in Lewiston early Monday morning.

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Pamela Belanger's picture

Do you guys ever stop to

Do you guys ever stop to realize that bad things are happening ALL OVER THE WORLD not just in Lewiston Maine....There are drug dealers n prostitutes in every city in every state.....You might not live in Lewiston Maine but who's to say that right down the street from you isn't a pimp or drug dealer or prostitute I mean really now let's all have some common sense these things don't only happen in Lewiston Maine people

Gent Schevner's picture

Look Around

"It is okay because it happens everywhere". Really? Sorry to point this out hon, but no, it doesn't happen everywhere. It does happen to occur in Lewiston a lot though.

I live in a Maine town where we don't have hookers and crack dens.

You will never improve your city with denial.

Pamela Belanger's picture

Oh hey wait a minute Gent

Oh hey wait a minute Gent Schevner I just checked and you live in Brunswick so hate to bust your bubble there buddy but yes hookers and drug dealers do live in Brunswick.....

Gent Schevner's picture

crack dens and hooker corners

where are these? or are you simply saying they 'live' there. and why would a crack whore live 20 miles from the action? or did you commute?

Pamela Belanger's picture

All I know dude is your blind

All I know dude is your blind if you think for one minute that prostitutes and drug dealers do not live in Brunswick OPEN YOUR EYES OLD MAN CAUSE THEY LIVE EVERYWHERE AND THAT INCLUDES BRUNSWICK, MAINE

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Chuckling...LOL

Here you are venting and preaching to me about grammar and punctuation...and you typed all this garbled message up or did your 11 year old do it for you?

Take your blinders off and look around and get a reality check, your puritan town of Brunswick has its demons too.

You get an "F"

Gent Schevner's picture

Only you

Lol- hardly puritan, and I find it humorous that you just gave me a hard time re bringing up my 11 year old that is smarter than you, and you bring him up.

He is worth bringing up. He could teach you.

I get an A for not thinking like you. And you are not even on now. You have an account that multiple people use at the cost of the paper. You don't think it is obvious?

Pamela Belanger's picture

Ummm I wasn't saying it's ok

Ummm I wasn't saying it's ok and what town do you live in have you gone door to door and knocked on everyone's door and investigated if they are or are not drug dealers or hookers....I bet that answer is a no...and I'm not in denial there I've lived in Lewiston Maine almost all of my life and yes it has changed but even when I was little there was drug dealer and hookers and yes even people burning down building

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Funny

Brunswick was a busy port for sailors...maybe in the day or could still be there, the streetwalkers exist, maybe no crack.
My treatments on the NAS was medical but they had some activity in the town.

Gent Schevner's picture

Not as funny

Troll the streets of Lewiston for a hooker at 6am- you will have several choices. Troll elsewhere- good luck. If that is what you seek you had bad advice if you were not told to try Lewiston. Sad but true.

I would like to see the city clean up- but it is hard when people deny there is a problem. Lewiston doesn't have to be that.

Gent Schevner's picture

Good reply

Brunswick didn't need to supply the gals- the other towns, er, like Lewiston knew when those horny sailors would be landing. p.s. the Bath girls told them. I am not saying money was exchanged though. I think it was all "fair and square" on that front.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Shore Patrol for Lewiston

My dad was stationed at NAS in 1952 and while he was, on Shore Patrol for Lewiston, met my mom (she worked at the Drug Store) just so that we are clear, ...8>) .... that was Lobsterland Restaurant some years back next door to the old Ritz Theater on Pine, right across from I think 82 Pine the building that is to come down from the fire .

Gent Schevner's picture

Franco-Americain

Glad to see those little old French ladies gentrifying the community.

I guessed I missed the city planning speech where having hookers and crack dens was good.

Lewiston needs to punch herself in the face. Never til she realizes shall she become a really good city. It is sad really- so much cool heritage there but a social system that now yells "screw the solid French-Canadienne- AMERICANS- and let everybody else ride free".

Really? Those are the Dems you always put back in power. Until Lewiston smartens up, it shall continue the decay.

fires

This sucks. I used live at 91 Horton st. in the back 1st floor apt. I hope the other tenants got out with their pets and families ok. I now live in Utah and im glad I moved when I did. but we are moving back to main soon but definitely not back to lewsiton though. I had thought I'd seen almost everything. I was there when the shooitng took place in front of 91 horton street, and many accidents at the corner or pine and horton st. My grandfather grew up on horton street and none of this stuff ever happened then. As for the person saying that the supposed 12 year olds aren't to blame they are. it's called lack of parenting. i agree that not all 12 yr olds are bad but the way things are right now they are starving for attention. They could have other influences like maybe they knew the person who owned the buildings that were condemned and were asked to burn them done to collect insurance so they wouldn't have to pay the back taxes. there are a lot of slum lord landlords who don't care about anyone or anything. My old landlord who owns 91 horton street was the best landlord I've ever had. he was always ready when you needed him and worked with you when you had a problem. Ever since the refugees, and all the druggies from the ny and boston area started moving in there have been problems. I'm not saying the refugees or the druggies are the problems for the fires but there are people who would have problems when they couldn't find housing or were denied housing then all of a sudden these refugees come along and they all get housing. it can be frustrating to some. People need to pull together and put their differences aside. Can't we just get along??? Hope everyone is ok including the firemen and policemen and rescue workers and tenants who lost their homes will find help soon. This has gone too far. My grandfather founded Luigg's pizza on horton and sabattus street, now it's been sold to the owner of the blue goose. it just goes to show that change is inevitable so we all have to deal with it. Unfortunately people just go too far and think they are invincible. This is what's wrong with the world. It needs to stop now!!!!

DONALD FERLAND's picture

I do not see anyone saying

I do not see anyone saying the 2 twelve year olds definitely did not start the fires. I said not to assume that just because they are charged does not mean they have been convicted....releasing the name of one of them is just plain wrong. Too many people have been making assumptions and since this is the 3rd fire in a week it has to make one stop and wonder if the police really have the right people in custody. The first fire...witnesses say they saw the boy at the porch...he lived in the building so why wouldn't he have been there....the second fire witnesses say they saw two people running from the scene who were about 5' 10" tall...having been in the middle school there weren't any 12 year olds that tall in the school. I am just saying don't ASSUME anything until all the facts are in because it seems to me there is more to this then we are all being told.

fires

Sorry about spelling errors, my computer sometimes has a mind of it's own.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

We ale hove are spilling

We ale hove are spilling prablums.

fires

Sorry about spelling errors, my computer sometimes has a mind of it's own.

DONALD FERLAND's picture

Not all 12 year olds are

Not all 12 year olds are trouble makers, not all 12 year olds are left to do as they please because the parents watch them....stop blaming 12 year olds until you have all the facts.....do you realize what you are doing to the self esteem of those not involved....everyone is in such a rush to blame yet another 12 year old....well I say this is too much of a coincidence and the police and fire department need to seriously take a look at whether they have the right people charged with the other 2 fires because I seriously have doubts about it.....this is more like an adult trying to put blame on a younger generation. Think about it....if a 12 year was going to start a fire they would not focus on only vacant and condemned buildings...they would start a fire wherever the opportunity presented itself.....there is something funny going on and until all the facts are in people should stop ASSUMING anything....being charged is not the same as being convicted!!!!

Vicki Schmidt's picture

Seriously, its National Arson Awareness Week, May 5th -11th

. .but sadly, this area seems to be celebrating it better than anywhere else!
http://www.usfa.fema.gov/fireservice/prevention_education/strategies/ars...

Sandra Coulombe's picture

At this point I really hope

At this point I really hope law enforcement is looking for who is behind these fires. The kids may indeed be the ones who started the fires, that does not mean they are the ones behind the fires. Hopefully law enforcement is looking for any connections to gangs using this as an initiation and at who is behind the land holding companies who own these buildings. Where is the common denominator? That is where you will find who is paying these kids or coercing them to start these fires. Three in one week is not a coincidence.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Accident looking for a place to happen or is it?

If those buildings were condemned and inhabitable, they should've been removed and demolished ASAP, instead of leaving them there for mishap and temptation. The bottom line is those buildings did get demoed at a huge cost to the tenants with all of their belongings.

There should be an ordinance or law that any city that condemns a building must be removed in a set time to eliminate any hanky panky, temptation or an accident looking for a place to happen.

Those buildings did come down at a huge cost to the community, to the cities and on the other side of the coin, the ones that make out for big profit is the demo construction companies and the LLC's?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The two vacant buildings were

The two vacant buildings were being remodeled according to the SJ Staff Report. (See story above).

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

I rest my Case

Vacant/condemned

73 Bartlett St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
114 Bartlett St. Condition: Vacant (rear porches unsafe). Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
118 Bartlett St. Condition: Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
139 Bartlett St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 1/13/2012
155 Bartlett St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
184 Bartlett St. Condition: Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
305 Bates St. Condition: Severe deterioration/ extraordinary amount of mold. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
320 Bates St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned/ready to collapse.
1 Beech St. Condition: Vacant, not safe for firefighters. Most recent inspection: 6/4/2010
80 Birch St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
130 Blake St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
124 Campus Ave. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
10 College St. Condition: Severe deterioration. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection:10/25/2011
12 Fair St. Condition: Vacant; Large unprotected (no guards) opening with access to cellar in rear of 1st floor; rear deck and access stairs structurally unsound. Most recent inspection: 12/16/2011
112 Holland St. Condition: Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
178 Holland St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
180 Holland St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 1/13/2012
21-23 Howard St. Condition: To be condemned. Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
48 Howe St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
60 Howe St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
76 Irwin Ave. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
18 King Ave. Condition: Seriously dilapidated. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
47 Knox St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
91 Knox St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
7 Lincoln Dr. Condition: Structural deficiencies/dangerous. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
81 Lincoln St. Condition: Severely deteriorated. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
248 Lincoln St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
251 Lincoln St. Condition: Severely deteriorated. Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
264 Lincoln St. Condition: Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
266 Lincoln St. Condition: Poor condition. Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
25 Lucielle Ave. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
67 Oak St. Condition: Rear porches very poor condition Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
50 Oak St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
226 Oak St / 62 Elm St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned access issues/debris in interior. Most recent inspection: 6/21/2011
162 Oxford St. Condition: Dangerously dilapidated. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
208 Park St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned.
220 Park St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. 10/25/2011
5 Peter Blvd. Condition: Vacant. 10/25/2011
122 Pierce St. Condition: Egress porches and stairs dangerously deteriorated condition. Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
46 River St. Condition: Vacant.
145 Sabattus St. Condition: Vacant/No Entry. Most recent inspection: 11/4/2011
147 Sabattus St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. 10/25/2011
357 Sabattus St. Condition: Severely deteriorated. Vacant/Condemned (Dangerously weak porches/weak floors). Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
478 Sabattus St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
3 Shawmut St. Condition: To be condemned. Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
80 Shawmut St. Condition: Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
29 Spring St. Condition: Severely deteriorated/unsanitary conditions. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
82 Summer St. Condition: Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
48 Tampa St. Condition: Substantial interior damage and mold. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
27 Thorne Ave. Condition: Dangerous building collapsing structurally. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
28 Wakefield St. Condition: Deteriorated. Vacant/Condemned. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
84 Walnut St. Condition: Lead hazard; to be condemned. Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011
582 Webster St. Condition: Vacant (cellar stairs missing). Most recent inspection: 12/15/2009
741 Webster St. Condition: Vacant. Most recent inspection: 10/25/2011

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You may rest your case, but

You may rest your case, but what is your point? My statement was taken from the morning journal. I did not say the two Bartlett St. buildings were not condemned, I said they were vacant and being remodeled, as stated in the SJ article that morning. Volume of information does not necessarily trump accuracy in a statement.

GARY SAVARD's picture

First, Jerry, when code

First, Jerry, when code enforcement condemns a building or some of the apartments therein, it doesn't mean the building has to be razed, it means that until the violations are rectified, it/they are not allowed to be lived in. Many condemned buildings have been renovated and returned to occupancy status. The buildings on Bartlett Street were vacant and secured, likely weatherized as well, and my guess is being held by a lender for auction. The bottom line is people shouldn't be going around burning buildings. More rules won't fix that because arson is already a very serious crime.

bartlett street buildings that were lost in fires

I lived at 91 Horton street and my daughter would play in the little back yard right behind the two buildings that were lost to the fires. They were not secured. I would see kids from the neighborhood go into them and destroy items. There were also feral cats living there. They would go in the back where the doors were open and unlocked. I'd even called the cops when there were kids playing around and trying to kick some of the kittens. They would jump the fence in my driveway and come out with old fridges and tvs then take the copper out of them and leave the trash in the alley. If a building is condemned all tenants should be moved out and the landlords or owners of the buildings should be responsible for finding the tenants a new place to live and paying for them. Especially since it's the owners responsibility to keep their buildings up to code and livable. I just moved to Utah last august before this crap started happening. I'm moving back to maine soon but definitely not to lewiston. That is the last place I would want to live right now unless it was on the outskirts of lewiston and not near downtown.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Understandable

The issue is when the building like on Blake was to come down, the question becomes what was the time frame? In regards to the separate violations, if the building is to remain, is again a separate issue and that is another horse of another color. If the renovations are to happen on interior or exterior, such a I had on outer maintenance, I was given a time to perform those repairs or lose my property insurance, IE; paint and concrete step repairs.

Look at the building like in the Bronx, that stand and remain health hazards, death traps and worst off an eye sore and property values become questionable.

GARY SAVARD's picture

The building on Blake that

The building on Blake that was condemned still had people living in it. Was it scheduled to be demolished? My understanding is that it and several other properties owned by Watkins were scheduled for auction by the lender this month. The problem with some of these buildings, also, is that landlords get eaten alive by tenants that trash the apartments and don't pay their rent. It is a two way street and not just landlords that are the problem.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Been there, done that

Gary I can relate and concur; I have eaten a lot of loss from past tenants in my 23 years of being a landlord, and like any investment, is a gamble and it has its up and downs. My rents are prime, lg sq. footage, clean and newly renovated with high quality interior finish and appliances, since I am a union carpenter and did the work myself. That is one of the main reasons I renovated to make the rents beautiful, so that I only get high quality tenants, I always hope for, but I had my problems in past.

Amedeo Lauria's picture

Have you ever tried to tear down or improve...

...an older building today in America, let alone in the State of Maine.

This is a perfect opportunity to bring up OVER REGULATION in America.

Your request has to go through....

1. Zoning boards.
2. Lead Based Paint abatement.
3. Asbestos abatement.
4. Mold abatement.
5. Mercury abatement.
6. Maine DEP reviews...
7. OSHA reviews.
8. Historical building organizations.
9. Angry tenants who can afford other places to live.
10. Accusations from "Fair Housing" groups complaining that YOU taking YOUR building the one YOU OWN AND PAY
TAXES on off the housing market and discriminating.
10. A myriad of inspectors from federal, state and local levels, all with various requirments that can result in increased
costs and fines.

But who cares, they are just rich landlords; make them pay.

I'm sure I have missed probably 100 more hurdles that a building owner must jump over to do ANYTHING with THEIR property. All adding to the cost of what used to be done with a work crew, wrecking ball and bulldozier on a sunny weekday.

Also, I learned a hard lesson early in life after a break-in...HAVE RENTAL INSURANCE. It only costs about $10 a month.

Sandra Coulombe's picture

The only over regulation you

The only over regulation you listed would be the fair housing groups and to a lesser extent the historical building societies. The rest of your complaints are dangerous health hazards you willing took on the responsibility for when you choose to purchase the older buildings. If anything that those things are allowed to remain in a building you are charging people to live in is a reflection on the lack of proper enforcement of regulations that are needed and should be stringently enforced. If you could not afford to deal with all those health hazards you should not have taken on the responsibility to do so. You most certainly should be required to remove those health hazards in a manner that poses the least risk to those living in and around your building. It is and it should be your responsibility!

Amedeo Lauria's picture

Interesting to note the comments here that seem...

to be accusing the landlords of hiring 12 year old kids to torch their buildings.

Hope those of you who are making these tongue in cheek comments have hefty personal liability insurance riders that are in full force when making these kinds of statements, especially if your statements prove to be slanderous after the investigations are completed.

If I were a building owner, I would be contacting my lawyer and exploring my options.

My point is that all this over regulation leads to requirments to charge larger and larger amounts of rent, so you will then hear complaints of gentrification and pushing out low income families. This is not conjecture, it is a fact.

But wait! Then we will, of course, HAVE TO offer ever increasing taxpayer funded rental assistance. The circle is now complete!

It is amazing that we all survived urban renewal and DIY projects in our homes.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Get a grip

to be accusing the landlords of hiring 12 year old kids to torch their buildings.?????

There are always questions and suspicions, that are even plausible in any investigation, so get off your high horse.

12 year olds

I wasn't saying the landlords hired them or anyone else. 12 year olds are gullible and very influencial. They want to be accepted and feel important. They can make bad choices. I was 12 once. We all were. It could have have been on a dare by a friend or gang member. It could have been anything. But why would they hold a 12 year old that lived there that supposedly set the first fires without having some kind of proof or statement connecting him to them. Although there are landlords that would most likely go that far as to hire anyone gullible enough to do the dirty work. It could have been the property owners them selves that set the fires. We will never know until all the facts are known and the evidence is collected and sorted out. Ultimately it is the property owners responsibility to make sure everything is up to code and fixed. Any land /property owner allowing their property to be condemned basis. If you are a responsible landlord or property owner, you should know your tenants and what they are doing. Not invading their privacy but at least keeping in touch and asking if their are any problems that need fixed or whatever. It is a tough spot for both tenants and landlords. You will always have those tenants that don't care and do what they want regardless, and the same is true for some landlords. As for the remaining condemned buildings, they either need to be vacated if there are still tenants and secured by either boarding them up and chaining the doors shut. Maybe even adding camera's to see any activity that is happening when it shouldn't be. Neighbors can help by watching suspicious activity. Especially if the building is vacant there shouldn't be anyone going in or out or playing in the yard or on the property unless they are permitted by the owner or it's the owner themselves. It's getting harder to weed out the good from the bad but we still have to try.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Guilty as Charged

I can relate, I started a grass fire at about 12 in the fields by using a firecracker...accidents do happen.

Fortunately I was lucky and it was put out, but the reality is shit happens.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Bada Bing

I own rents and the building was from 1930's and yes, I too, took on that responsibility and corrected them. You reap what you sow...

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Well there it is then;

So a match and a 12 year old is the cheaper faster way out....follow the bread crumbs....

CLAIRE GAMACHE's picture

All I can say

All I can say is thank God for our valiant firemen and police and their professionalism and their tireless work and for our relief agencies. Where would we be without them. We can also be thankful that so far anyway we have not had loss of life or serious injury. I was out shopping yesterday and everywhere around me I saw people were doing something to help and expressing concern. This is truly a sad day for my community but also a proud day for our commitment, our courage and determination and our generosity.

Jason Theriault's picture

The first rule of 12 year old Pyro club

IS YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT 12 YEAR OLD PYRO CLUB.

DONALD FERLAND's picture

there is no garage behind

there is no garage behind those 2 buildings...they both have back porches and a parking area behind them then there is a fence that separates those building from the others around them

Jake Paris's picture

Yes there is

Tina, yes there seems to be (or was) a garage back there according to google maps: http://goo.gl/maps/psp4O

garages

There is no garage behind 114 or 118 bartlett street. the only garage is the one my old landlord has at 91 Horton street that he stores stuff in like antiques. I used to park my jeep in front of it but it was only used for storage for items to help repair problems. It didn't start there it was on the bartlett street side. I lived there from april 2011-august 2012. that was the only garage but it was on the horton street side not the bartlett street. But thanks for providing the link.

DONALD FERLAND's picture

I lived in one of the

I lived in one of the buildings. There is no garage on that property. It has been vacant since I moved out 5 years ago and I was the last tenant from the buildings to move when they needed major work. There is a fence behind the 2 buildings that separate those two twin buildings from all the other buildings surrounding them

Bob White's picture

This has to be Governor

This has to be Governor LePages and the Republicans fault

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I have it from a pretty

I have it from a pretty questionalble source (the parrot), that Bush is responsible for all of it.

Gent Schevner's picture

If only Bush

...the city would look better.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

In another world...

Like he led the country into a depression, with two unpaid off the books wars and spent a trillion in surplus...that was really responsible....

DONALD FERLAND's picture

I think they best be looking

I think they best be looking at whether the 2 kids charged really did set the other fires before releasing more names and ruining more lives. This is too much of a coincidence to not raise serious questions on whether they have the right people to begin with.....look long and hard before naming more kids.....remember having been charged is not the same as being convicted

Gent Schevner's picture

Coincidence

Has it occurred to you that a "coincidence" as used in common parlance is sometimes a highly-probable lead?

"Let us not search Muslims for bombs even though Muslims are by far the most probable to carry bombs".

Why has our culture become so lame to the obvious? Afraid to hurt "feelings" perhaps? How do the people that get maimed feel about "feelings"?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

In this country we search

In this country we search wheelchair bound old ladies and infant children looking for weapons while in Israel they screen muslims and search for terrorists.
Political correctness has become America's suicide belt.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Gun nuts, making bombs

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/06/18087039-officials-minnesota-...

He's not Muslim, and many more like him...

Search and research, it will set you free....

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Living in Denial

That is par for the course, you supply repubs with the truth and facts and the keep the blinders on and the ear plugs in...

That is what is wrong with this country, facts and truth are just too much for repubs to endure or grasp....they would rather wrap themselves in the flag, call themselve patriots and are too stupid to deal with reality....

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

And the democrats are as

And the democrats are as clean as the sheets at a Klan rally.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Pearly White

and we do mean all white....except the Grand Master in Red.....

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Have you seen Django

Have you seen Django Unchained?

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Brother

how art Thou" was better and funnier...

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

Payback is a B

It was an eye opener, yes...we saw it on DirecTV...I would guess it was better at the movies, but the 60" sufficed...

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

How does Tarantino get away

How does Tarantino get away with such flagrant use of the 'n' word? I wish I'd started counting at the beginning of the show, but I'd bet the count would be several hundred times. It was mostly entertaining, but it left me sort of confounded.
I thought the scene where the masked vigilantes arguing about the discomfort of the sacks over their heads was pretty funny.
Yes, payback is definitely a bitch.

JERRY ARIPEZ's picture

It's a twisted spun world

Being in the barracks with many, they would be relentless with the N word on each other. I would hang with them since I loved playing cards, shooting craps and many other reasons. I hung with one whose nickname was B. for Baker, 6'5" BA... He saved my life on the Oki island when we got off a bus in a small Japanese town that was dominated by them as their turf. I was confronted my three on a street alley and had B not stopped them, he was going to hit and roll me, using the old straight razor, aimed at my throat, they all carried them in the days. I carried my chucks and we made it out of there. We never went that way again...

Tarantino is one strange amigo, like his "Kill Bill' 1 and 2....

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Would you agree that Pulp

Would you agree that Pulp Fiction was probably his best work?

Genise Knowlton's picture

I agree Tina...

I am not convinced that twelve year olds could mastermind such a "coincidence"!

Andrew Hall's picture

Wow!

This is a heckuva way to facilitate urban renewal. In the words of the inimitable Vince Lombardi, "What the hell is going on out there?" God forbid, is Little Canada next?

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