Truth as God revealed it

There is a danger when a church moves into the public square. It's called getting called on the truth. Some members of the Episcopal Church cringe when Episcopal clergy publicly advocate for the redefinition of marriage, as will happen Oct. 15 in Portland when the gay bishop will speak.

The Episcopal Church doctrine, canons, prayer book and catechism say that marriage is exclusively between a man and a woman. Found on page 861 of the catechism of the Episcopal Church: Book of Common Prayer, "Holy Matrimony is Christian marriage, in which the woman and man enter into a lifelong union, make their vows before God and the Church and receive the grace and blessing of God to help them fulfill their vows."

The new leadership of the Episcopal Church is held captive by a well-financed, culturally cohesive group that calls for inclusiveness for everyone except those who believe in the teaching of the church.

Many Maine Episcopalians have walked away. According to the Episcopal Church's Web site, the Diocese of Maine has been in decline since 2003 when the gay bishop of New Hampshire was installed.

Yet there are many Maine Episcopalians who agree with the prayer book and scripture, and there are still some clergy in the pulpit who preach the church's teaching on marriage.

I will vote "yes" on Question 1 because it is the truth as God revealed it.

Debra A. Wagner, Lisbon Falls

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He was one of the

He was one of the greats.
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JONATHAN ALBRECHT's picture

"it is the truth as God

"it is the truth as God revealed it." The Bible "God's revealed word" is in fact a political document developed over the last 1800 years. Its been written and re-written. Its being re-written as we speak to remove "liberal" ideas like charity by conservatives. The Bible has no credibility much less truth.
LD 1020 protects religious marriage and says so quite explicitly. No church is required to change anything in their dogma. So even if marriage between one man and one woman was the revealed word of God that would not be a rational reason to vote yes on 1. On the assumption that Debra is rational (I know she believes in the supernatural, magic, suspending the laws of nature so that assumption may prove false), then this is not the reason Debra is voting yes on 1. I wonder what is?
Jon Albrecht Dixfield

RONALD RIML's picture

Debra Wagner should know

Debra Wagner should know better than to write such a letter to the Editor!

Scripture tells her not to teach, and that she has no authority over men. Thusly she is sinning in the Public Square.

"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.."

1 Timothy 2:12 (King James Version)

Or is she a "New" version of Christian? But only on 'her' terms?

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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Gary, First, no one is

Gary,

First, no one is telling any one how to live. We are simply saying that the government has no authority to redefine the deffinition of marriage. The sanctity of marriage and the true family model (husband, wife, children) are at the core of our Judeo-Christian values and the basis for society.

Secondly, Christianity is not a myth. There really was/is a person named Jesus who claimed to be the Christ, the Son of God. You may not believe that he was/is, but that does not change the facts concerning his life and ministry.

Thirdly, the family, as God intended it to be, is not only a Judeo-Christian value, but one that is found in cultures all over the world, regardless of religion.

No one is denying gay people Life, Liberty or the Pursuit of Happiness. You say Christians should keep their beliefs to themselves, well what about the rest of you who are cramming gay marriage down the throat of the religious community? It is an attack on our fundamental core values. It has nothing to do with religious indoctrination. Marriage has been, and still is, considered a unique relationship ordained by God for thousands of years, and not just in Judeo-Christian circles either.

John A. Chick

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)

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My comment was directed at

My comment was directed at Crash--I put the wrong name in-excuse me please--

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My comment was directed at

My comment was directed at Crash--I put the wrong name in-excuse me please--

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Funny thing is Trayl, I

Funny thing is Trayl, I didn't say anywhere whether I was in favor or not--I just commented that Rex spouts the bigot word and so many other hateful things in defense of gay marriage--I say it takes away from his cause--he only sounds hateful and determined to shove his opinions down peoples throats by name calling a bulling--sound familiar to you?? I bet it does--by the way, my brother, who I love is gay....................and he is welcome at my table and in my home whenever he wants, and he is the godfather to my child-I am hardly a bigot, as I said, you don't know where I stand.

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Funny thing is Trayl, I

Funny thing is Trayl, I didn't say anywhere whether I was in favor or not--I just commented that Rex spouts the bigot word and so many other hateful things in defense of gay marriage--I say it takes away from his cause--he only sounds hateful and determined to shove his opinions down peoples throats by name calling a bulling--sound familiar to you?? I bet it does--by the way, my brother, who I love is gay....................and he is welcome at my table and in my home whenever he wants, and he is the godfather to my child-I am hardly a bigot, as I said, you don't know where I stand.

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While you're at it, ask God

While you're at it, ask God for a little enlightenment for yourself. Nowhere in scripture does it say that God is about fairness and equality. (Although there is a passage that says God is no respecter of persons, i.e. God treats everyone the same whether they are rich, poor, black, white, etc.)

Jesus said ""I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Now really, is that fair? No. But the scriptures also teach that "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9.

John A. Chick

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)

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I suggest you read the bible

I suggest you read the bible again. God most certainly ordained marriage (between a man and a woman).

You can start with Genesis chapter 2. Notice that God made Eve, not Steve for Adam. In verse 24 God says: "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."

When Jesus was asked about divorce, he said: 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." - Matthew 19:4-6

Or in Hebrews (New Testament) where it says: "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral." - Hebrews 13:4

I don't know where you get your information crash, but the Pope doesn't have a monopoly on the Bible. There are more supporting ancient manuscripts of the texts that make up what we call the Bible, than any other ancient documents. That has nothing to do with the stuff that the Popes make up or the new teachings they issue. That stuff is not part of the Bible.

John A. Chick

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)

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Actually crash, You are

Actually crash,

You are partially correct. The "Old Testament" of the Christian bible is the same as the Hebrew texts which were compiled by the Jews long before Christ walked on this earth. The New Testament is a collection of biographies and letters written by those who had been with Christ and various other eye witness accounts. Before they were compiled into what we call the New Testament, they were copied and passed around to the individual churches. I don't understand why it was a problem to compile them into what we know today as the Bible. We do the same thing with secular writings (i.e. The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, which is a compilation of individual stories that were published in "The Strand".)

And as for your other issue, no, it has NOT been scientifically proven that there is a Gay gene. That is mere speculation and wishful thinking amoung those in the Gay community. There is nothing normal about same sex relationships. You don't need a Bible to tell you that, look at the way our bodies are designed (or evolved, if you prefer to think of it that way).

Let us, for a moment, throw God, the Bible and religion right out of the argument and look at this based on the theory of evolution, natural selection and the survival of the fittest. The theory is that over time, life evolves and in the evolution process, traits considered to be improvements are naturally selected over those which are not. That the stronger of the species survive to pass on their genes, ensuring the survival of a particular species. If this is true, and a large percentage of scientists believe that it is, then a homosexual gene (if there was one) would serve no purpose in the evolutionary scheme of things. It does not make the species stronger nor does it ensure the survival of the species. If we were all homosexual, there would be no more offspring. So even if there was a Gay gene, which there is no proof of, it would be a mutation or trait that serves no useful purpose in the survival of the species, and thus it would be an abnormality. (i.e. it ain't normal).

Any way you look at it, biblically or scientifically, homosexuality is a destructive lifestyle.

John A. Chick

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)

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Rex, A--you are a creeper, I

Rex, A--you are a creeper, I read the garbage you wrote in regards to St. Josephs church closing, and other horrible, negative things in the past, and now "Don't you Dare............." you the bigot and I won't even call you sir. You seem to me to be a wicked, miserable person who gets off on being able to say what you want (your soul must be black to have such a negative outlook on life and the people who live it) but yet you are a coward because you won't let anyone else have a word in....you shut them down and go to the next news article to harass others. You are the intolerable one!!!

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Rex, time for a mirror.

Rex, time for a mirror. Definition of bigot: –noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

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Rex, The basic definition of

Rex,

The basic definition of a bigot is "a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own". So in a sense, you are also a bigot. You are prejudice towards anyone who believes the Bible and are intolerant of their opinions because they differ from your own. Oh, and FYI, when someone speaks out about, or shares their faith, they are adhering to the teachings of Christ found in the Bible.

John A. Chick

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)

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