Pundits break down Question 1 vote

LEWISTON — Despite recent polling that indicated strong support for keeping Maine's law allowing same-sex marriage, voters rejected it by a margin of about 53 percent to 47 percent, according to unofficial tallies. Local political analysts speculated several factors may have played into the discrepancy, including a last-minute shift in support.

Lisa Brackbill, Lisa Pugh, Darlene Huntress,  Gay Marriage Referendum
Pat Wellenbach

Partners Lisa Brackbill, left, and Lisa Pugh, right, both from Buckfield, Maine console one another along with Darlene Huntress, center, of Portland, after learning about the unofficial defeat on Question 1 at election night headquarters in Portland, Maine, early Wednesday morning, Nov. 4, 2009. Maine voters decided decide to rescind the Legislature's approval of same-sex marriage.(AP Photo/Pat Wellenbach)

"We've certainly seen in the case of past elections in Maine where the pro-gay-rights side has lost steam over time," said Jim Melcher, a political science professor at the University of Maine at Farmington. "My theory about Maine voters and change is that the closer you get to Election Day, whatever proposal's going to call for more change tends to lose steam."

He said some people answering pollsters' questions might not have been honest, for fear of sounding bigoted.

Douglas Hodgkin of Lewiston, a former political science professor at Bates College, said talking to a pollster is a "social situation" and agreed that people feel pressure to answer questions in a way that appears to favor equality, particularly when talking to a stranger.

"I know in terms of polling, on sensitive issues, that you could have people misrepresenting what their intentions are," Hodgkin said.

He said it's important to remember that polls are only snapshots of public opinion, not predictions of results.

The exceptionally high turnout for an "off-year" election, which exceeded 50 percent, helped both sides, Hodgkin said, though conventional wisdom leading up to the election said it would favor those hoping to maintain the law allowing same-sex marriage.

"It cut both sides; it wasn't motivating only one particular segment of the electorate," he said.

Patrick Murphy, president of the Pan Atlantic SMS Group polling firm, which released a poll on Oct. 26 indicating supporters of same-sex marriage had an 11-point lead, said the lying-to-the-pollster theory may account for some of the disparity between the poll numbers and the election result.

"That's one explanation," he said. "I also think the strength of the more conservative or fundamentalist churches and also the Catholic Church might have been underestimated somewhat, in terms of getting their core believers out to vote."

Murphy's poll showed Maine Catholics nearly evenly split on the issue, but he said those who favored rejection of the new law were probably more motivated to get out and vote.

"I gather from people who are practicing Catholics that they put on a tremendous effort at the pulpit and at their churches in the last two weekends and I presume that influenced those that were maybe on the fence to get out and vote for this," he said.

Hodgkin said he'd heard a similar story from a friend who is Catholic: Elderly in-laws were motivated to vote for the first time in 15 years because they felt so strongly about the issue of marriage.

"It was their Catholic faith that triggered the interest in the issue," he said.

Catholic strongholds such as Lewiston, Auburn, Biddeford and Augusta voted to reject the same-sex marriage law, according to unofficial results.

Chris Potholm, a government professor at Bowdoin College, said the explanation for the difference between the polls and the election result was simple.

"I think the 'no' side was ahead and if the election had been held two weeks ago, they would have won," he said, adding that strong advertising by opponents during the past week or so of campaigning probably accounted for the shift.

rmetzler@sunjournal.com

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Bear's picture

to bad

to bad

news4u's picture

“Stupidity is better kept

“Stupidity is better kept a secret than displayed"- Heraclitus of Ephesus

FarmAlumn's picture

. .' Maine is a unique

. .' Maine is a unique purplish state that defies categorization into the tired hues of "red" or "blue." ' The L S J ® is an excellent paper . You are lucky to have it . Sure beats the Twin - City Times® :) http://www.ajr.org

Brianna Lynn's picture

It appears the issue is one

It appears the issue is one of morality for those voters who do not want Maine to recognize same gender marriages. Why not look at the various laws pertaining to tax, health insurance etc. that indentify married couples. Maybe our energy could be better spent changing those laws to say "partners".
Homosexuality is immoral - it doesn't mean we have to dislike a person, just their orientation.

Bear's picture

They LOST now let the true

They LOST now let the true colors shine.They are a very hateful group saying how bad Maine is for voting against them.They are saying that we are bigots for not agreeing with them.If this is how THEY really are I'm glad they lost!

FarmAlumn's picture

" True Colors " -- Cindy

" True Colors " -- Cindy Lauper and Phil Collins :)

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Here we go again, the

Here we go again, the Sun-Journal making their position on the issue very clear.

How about posting just ONE article highlighting those who are PROUD that Maine chose to STAND UP for TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE!

FarmAlumn's picture

. . . ...Here's like ten ,

. . . ...Here's like ten , J P . Enjoy ! http://www3.sunjournal.com/section/term/2834

Kylea's picture

Wow, Auburn Patriot!~ You

Wow, Auburn Patriot!~ You need to take a chill pill and cool off.

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jalbrecht1's picture
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Vacationland, not anymore.

Vacationland, not anymore. Now its bigotsland.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield

Taxpoor's picture

. Name calling is a sign of

. Name calling is a sign of unprofessionalism STOP CRYING GET OVER IT

Chippy's picture

Well said Taxpoor.

Well said Taxpoor.

jkl's picture

It is very sad when so many

It is very sad when so many people are so self righteous and judgmental and they don't even realize it or perhaps they do and they like it just that way.
So much of these comments are filled with hatred toward something/someone different. But how different, really, we are all human beings. How far we have to go!

jebbie47's picture

I ask myself that question,

I ask myself that question, I too ponder why the left always demonize those that don't believe like you do?? but it is brought up from the left how hateful we are. Why do tell me is it so hard to show civility in the debate and respect both sides.

TREEHUGGARRR's picture

Pass the bill, allow them to

Pass the bill, allow them to marry.
Next stop, Nambla members want to marry 14 year olds.
Where do you draw the line?
And dosh, ever hear of the word "faith"?

FarmAlumn's picture

. .Why yes i have ! Ever

. .Why yes i have ! Ever heard of Saint Damien ? He was the first Parish Priest at my church here in Pahoa HI 96778 u s a . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_the_Sea_Painted_Church He died of Leprosy ( Hansen's disease ) on the island of Mo'lu'kai ( the ' forgotten ' island ) . It is similar to the Ebola virus . Your flesh falls off your skin , slowly . And yes , i worked in Africa for several years . Namibia's quite nice . i recommend the place for safari's . It's a former British colony like US . Alo'ha :)

etootoo20's picture

In Maine, it's already okay

In Maine, it's already okay to marry a person under the age of 16 as long as there is written parental permission.

FarmAlumn's picture

. .Uh , outhouses are still

. .Uh , outhouses are still legal, too , in Maine , J B . That doesn't make them good :)

etootoo20's picture

Uh huh....But it still means

Uh huh....But it still means that Maine already allows marriaged between adults and children, but not between two consenting adults if they happen to be of the same sex. So Maine is much closer to being one of those states where a forceful religious figure could convince a sheepish following to allow their young daughters to marry older men, or vice-versa. Since a good 53% of the voting population is willing to follow the suggestions of an outside sect insisting that their interpretation of god's law outweighs the protections of the state, and as Maine becomes more fundamental, I'm just wondering where the next compound is going to be built. Really! You people make me sick!!!

Kylea's picture

Enough all ready!! Just

Enough all ready!! Just because the YES side won does not mean that we are haters, ingorant, bigots or any other adjective the NO side can think of.
What we are, are believers that marriage is between one man and one woman, period. The No side should just accept defeat gracefully and forget about it! Period. And this does not mean that they should bring this issue up ever again. The Maine people have spoken, Accept this defeat and move on, right out of this state to NH or MA, if you truly think that Mainers are bigots and haters!

FarmAlumn's picture

Alo'ha from Pahoa HI u s a 9

Alo'ha from Pahoa HI u s a 9 6 7 7 8 , Ms. Clampett :) http://home.att.net/~stosher/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

etootoo20's picture

How's mis-guided work for

How's mis-guided work for you?

FarmAlumn's picture

. .. .A P ? Ellie May

. .. .A P ? Ellie May Clampett was just being emotional . Next mood swing ? Six minutes . Thanks for voting . Twice as many people in Auburn voted than in Loystone :)

jkl's picture

I do not understand how

I do not understand how someone else can say the gay people and those of us who support them are haters! It appears to me that those who discriminate against others just because they are different are the ones who hate. It is the kind of ignorance demonstrated here that perpetuates this.
I see, too, that some have reduced marriage to some one you love to a matter of economics when it comes to getting insurance coverage. Once again-a way to distance yourselves from those who have every civil right to receive this.
How you can say hatred is expressed by gay people and those who support them? It comes blatantly from the ignorance and prejudice of the other side.

FarmAlumn's picture

. . . .It's incomprehensible

. . . .It's incomprehensible , Teach ? These are the same people who ƒear gay guys . Go figger . Teach your children well :)

Ron's picture

Why can't people disagree

Why can't people disagree with one another without being labeled a "bigot" and full of "hate"? Really, that use of words for shock value is losing its steam.

jebbie47's picture

I guess the other side

I guess the other side hasn't said anything? and what is the LIE?

Ron's picture

So it's much more effective

So it's much more effective for both sides of an issue to call each other some sort of name; it makes for a better argument? And of course, each side must hate the other...otherwise they'd agree, right? Sorry, I just don't agree with that....and I don't hate you if you believe that. Adults can disagree with one another without name-calling, and it doesn't necessarily mean that one side hates the other. The point of my post is that using the word "hate", "bigot", and other terms, BY BOTH SIDES of any issue, has lost its shock value to me. They're getting over-used and losing their effectiveness. I'm not interested in listening to another person unless he/she can give me their opinions in a civil, respectful manner.

FeloPrergoHok's picture

The hatred and bigotry

The hatred and bigotry spewed by the so-called tolerant gay-marriage advocates is blatantly hypocritical. We that love the Lord and want His joy and freedom are painted as haters when in fact the real "haters" are those who spew venom from your "anything-goes" philosophy. The gay lifestyle is an aberration and brings early death, increased diseases all the way across the broad spectrum, and increased mental health problems and great confusion among our children.
And, it is in our schools! What a ridiculous claim to state that it isn't taught in our schools. I have personally seen it and heard it from dozens of others yet you continue your mindless, inane argument that it isn't in the schools.

gdls1's picture

Sammie, I've held off as

Sammie, I've held off as long as I could. I want to tell you that every time I read one of your posts, I say "Oh my gaaaawd!"

Bilgerat's picture

"a long habit of not

"a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason." Thomas Paine

fixit001's picture

The cost to the people of

The cost to the people of maine would have been high if this had passed!!!
1st FACT most city,county,state, and federal empolyees have insurance to thier spouces and it is a low estimate but at 15% of state employees being gay this would be a heck of a pricetag!!!!!
2nd FACT according to ALL MEDICAL SURVEYS (ALL) the greatest risk group for contracting HIV is the GAY Community, and the cost of care per average patient is well over the 100000.00 mark this data would not go overlooked by the insurance companies and would have spiked the insuance rates for individuals PAYING for insurance!
These are facts not political raving for one side or the other FACTS FACTS JUST GIVE THE FACTS and if they had given these facts in the advertisments the vote would have been even more drastic.... I also think that the gay community payed off our elected officials to get this on the books knowing that it would be challenged but was hoping to get an edge by having a flase positive referandum whereas YES MEANS NO to trick some to vote wrong way..Well it did not work!! NOW we should set our sights on those responsible for putting thier coffers above the wishes of the people and vote them out of office and never vote for them in any capacity ever again!!!!!!

jebbie47's picture

We could save a whole lot

We could save a whole lot more money by booting out all the fat, sick people in government, and reduce the insurance liability for all of us.....does that make sense to you??

Hmm I do think there is a fat tax in this new health bill??

FarmAlumn's picture

. .uh , we did . Jabba the

. .uh , we did . Jabba the gut Dick Cheney ? Mr. Walking Heart Attack ?

FarmAlumn's picture

. .uh , we did . Jabba the

. .uh , we did . Jabba the gut Dick Cheney ? Mr. Walking Heart Attack ?

etootoo20's picture

It's okay....Sometimes you

It's okay....Sometimes you need to say things repeatedly....and slowly.....Use little words.....simple concepts...... ;-)

gdls1's picture

Worth saying twice! (Sadly,

Worth saying twice! (Sadly, your efforts will not make one bit of difference.)

the_poorman's picture

So sad that so much hatred

So sad that so much hatred is aimed at a group of people who pose no threat to anyone, or anyones way of life. Google Phillip Spooner on Youtube for one of the most poignant arguments in favor of gay marriage from a lifelong Republican.

Any problem that can't be solved with taxcuts, republicans pretend doesn't exist.

Ron's picture

Just goes to show that this

Just goes to show that this is not a partisan issue. Indeed, for the referendum to have passed, many Dems had to have voted for it.

Emilees dad's picture

I am not gay however it is a

I am not gay however it is a sad sad day. Why do so many people care so much about such a small population? I have no idea how big the gay community is but I know far more non gay people then I do gay. Those ignorent commercials I have been assulted with over the radio for the last 3 months def. will not be missed. You know the ones, where terrible Fake Maine accented men and woman who make us sound like HICKS and no brainers tell us that gay sex will be taght in our schools if we let this Bill go through. Unreal is all I can say, oh and Keep on fighting, maybe one day you will all get your freedom in these so called free lands.

FarmAlumn's picture

. ..It is ironic to many

. ..It is ironic to many that The Catholic Church ( our young Pilipino Priest ere in Saint Damien's original Parish admits he knows next to nothing about marriage in his mostly humorous sermons ) is so out of touch with reality in 2 0 0 9 even after John Paul II . What now , Mr. German Shepard , Pope Benedict XVI (2005–present) ? Annul those loving couples' marriages who have already gotten legally married in other States and Countries ? That would seem to be a logical consequence of your overtly political position . Two R C churches just closed in Lewiston , Maine . People have a choice in religions . They excercise their choice with their feet ( in case you haven't noticed ) . Theologically : prove to us Christians that Jesus was neither gay or married . And as for the homosexual Priest controversies ? Those in glass houses should not throw stones . Do pray for vocations . We are :)

Taxpoor's picture

WHY do you think us people

WHY do you think us people in LEWISTON MAINE give a crap about what some one in P HAWAII has to say? Why don't you tend to your own affairs there. We don't care nothing about your young Pilipino Priest in Saint Damien's & his mostly humorous sermons. He is nothing more then an actor like in the movies that entertain people to get their money but you so called educated people don't catch on. Its goes right over your heads. What is your interest in GAYS in LEWISTON, MAINE I guess you don't have much to do but get in here and BLAH BLAH BLAH

FarmAlumn's picture

. . T P ? ¿ Hablaste ?

. . T P ? ¿ Hablaste ? ( One of six languages i speak :) Which actor ?

FarmAlumn's picture

. ...Ashton Kutcher ?

. ...Ashton Kutcher ?

news4u's picture

“And he goes through life,

“And he goes through life, his mouth open, and his mind closed” - Oscar Wilde

STEVE215D's picture

This is just further proof

This is just further proof that Taxpoor needs to take adult education classes somewhere before piping up in a public forum. Seriously, Taxpoor, it's almost impossible to comprehend your babble. If you don't have time to improve your basic English skills (please note that almost any immigrant passing an English competency test would appear far more eloquent than you in any public forum), please refer to an online grammar guide. Yikes!

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