Cover needs of women

I think it is time that men stop using women like some ball on a field to advance their agendas. Iraq, a secular society where women had rights, did not have to cover up, worked, had access to good education, were doctors, lawyers and scientists, kicked things back to the dark ages because of George W. Bush's war.

There are other examples where women have been used as a excuse to go into a place. Women's lives will be better, officials say.

Liars. This country's right-wing conservatives are using women to advance an agenda of repression and hate.

I am angry. Women are not the moral keepers for males. The health care bill needs to include coverage for all the health care needs of women, including abortion. A small vocal minority does not speak for everyone in America, and certainly not every woman.

I would prefer that all my tax money goes to help women obtain safe, legal abortions. The back-alley butchers are still in business, thanks to current policies. I want them out of business, and I want women safe and able to obtain that service from qualified practitioners. It is a service that should be mandated by all insurance policies, either government-run or private.

Diana Lovejoy, Buckfield

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bumble's picture

A large vocal majority of

A large vocal majority of males and FEMALES are against abortion.This country's pro-abortion activists are using women to advance their agenda of repression and hate against human life.Have you ever seen an abortion being done? There are even ultra sounds showing what happens during an abortion.Has far as it being the womens choice,it doesnt involve only them.Possibly they should be sterilized after the first abortion,than no more unwanted pregnancy problems,...forever.Has far as giving all Your tax money for abortions,why not give all your earnings.It might help make up for the money lost when us tax payers refuse to financially support baby killing.

johnshaven's picture

Partial birth abortions

Partial birth abortions present huge moral challenges for society and there is no way members of Congress should approve federal funding for those. Other types of abortion, which don’t involve partial birth, are strongly opposed in certain states and it's difficult for Congress to impose federal funding on those states.

Centarie2000's picture
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I've always been curious as

I've always been curious as to why we'll try to cover abortions but not birth control. Should those who are morally against abortion be expected, through their tax dollars, be forced to pay for them for women who won't keep their legs closed? Rape, incest, and mother's health issues are not matters of convenience, like other matters. Couldn't the govt. save money if they help pay for the birth control and tube ties, or offer other incentives, rather then abortion after abortion after abortion after abortion?

Lil's picture
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And what about

And what about Viagra?
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tron's picture

Viagra is for a medical

Viagra is for a medical dysfuntion and an acceptable treatment. It is necessary for some in order to lead a normal life.

Eliza's picture

What a joke!!

What a joke!!

tron's picture

Neither abortions nor birth

Neither abortions nor birth control are medical problems that need to be fixed. They are purely elective solutions. I know there are some exceptions, but those are really rare.

Gil's picture

Man, 3 for 3, you're killing

Man, 3 for 3, you're killing them Dan. Seriously, get that stick removed and lighten up and come over to the Dark Side. We have cookies...
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

Publikwerks's picture

No, this is not a good

No, this is not a good letter at all.

I think we should have socialized medicine. I think it's a matter of national defense, but the argument put forward here comparing not wanting to fund abortions to the plights of Islamic women is horrible and completely off base.

It's like comparing getting screwed over on a parking ticket to the holocaust.

Women in the Middle East face all sorts of issues, like being force to marry when they are children by their parents, lack of ANY representation, oh, and they can be stoned for exercising what we would consider basic human rights.

Your seriously comparing what you face in the United States to that?
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Centarie2000's picture
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It was also not Bush's War

It was also not Bush's War that pushed women's treatment in the middle east into the dark ages. It was religious and cultural norms that had been in place for a millienia, we just didn't notice before. They can also be stoned for refusing to have sex, stoned for being raped, and stoned if a man saw her brushing her hair by a window.

jalbrecht1's picture
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Sirmel, there is no proposal

Sirmel, there is no proposal for "government controlled health care". The bills before Congress all call for a private insurance system with a public option for those denied coverage by the insurance industry. The nation is split down the middle on abortion, but your numbers on health care are a fantay.
Diana, great letter. I agree 100%.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield

jebbie47's picture

Mrs Lovejoy: you are

Mrs Lovejoy: you are certainly entitled to your opinion,however like myself and my family we prefer that those who want and Abortion to pay it themselves. Also if I recalled wasn't it the left complaining about government getting involved with abortion? So why should it be ok for the left to impose their believes on others who do not believe? Also you speak of a (small minority) show me that number? latest polls show 47% for 45 %no and now the polls also shows 56% oppose and 38% favor for gov't control health care, Notice I did not say reform!

Eliza's picture

I agree 120% with the letter

I agree 120% with the letter writer. Whether or not commenters on this forum like it, abortion is legal. It is a medical procedure that 1 in 3 women will have in their life. It is a WOMENS issue. Men will never, ever, ever, ever be pregnant therefor this issue does not concern them. I know I'll take a lot of heat for that comment, but until men can give birth we'll leave it up to women to make the decision to carry a pregnancy to term.

veritas's picture
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I'm a 63 yr old man, retired

I'm a 63 yr old man, retired military and also law enforcement.

Women have a Constitutional right to an abortion - it's their decision. If govt provides health care - then that procedure should be included.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

ke6pij's picture

I agree!!

I agree!!

FeloPrergoHok's picture

You do not have the right to

You do not have the right to do with your body any way you wish. For example you do not have a "right" to shoot it up with heroin and cocaine.

veritas's picture
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Since when do you have a

Since when do you have a Constitutional right to shoot up with heoin and cocaine, Sammie?

Care to provide the Supreme Court citings for that - or you just blowing smoke out of your 4th point of contact....

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Lil's picture
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Oh sure, everybody's all for

Oh sure, everybody's all for freedom and less government control, but when it comes to a woman's constitutional right to choose they're all for government intrusion on a private decision between a woman and her health care provider.
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98civb18c's picture

I do believe abortion is

I do believe abortion is murder but I do believe that a woman has a constitutional right to have an abortion. What I think is the worst thing about abortion is that the father of the child has no say in it what so ever it all up to the woman to decide if the child lives or dies. To give en example of what is wrong with that, a married woman is sleeping with the neighbor and gets knocked up. She does not know who the father is so she aborts the child and noone is the wiser. I think it is wrong that women have the right to decide if the child (that was made by two people) lives or dies. If the woman wants to have the child she has the man by the balls for 18 years but if the man wants the child and the woman doesn't the child is scrambled.

Publikwerks's picture

Lil, the problem is, at

Lil, the problem is, at least for me, that this is a decision between a woman, her health care provider, and a unborn human.

Before we go any further - lets take mother's health off the table. If the mother's health is at risk, I have no problem with her getting an abortion. And I can see both sides of the issue, but if I’m going to make a judgment call where both sides are fuzzy and have valid points, I’m gonna err on the side of protecting life.

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deimos's picture
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On a planet with limited

On a planet with limited resources, giving birth to more consumers is irresponsible, especially to white males who by definition are the most useless caste on a progressive egalitarian scale. To further this progressive worldview, we must organize Sacrificial Death Drives demanding all to sacrifice their children for The Greater Good™. We must attend pro-abortion rallies, acting as living proof of the terrible mistake our parents had made by not aborting us. It is best exemplified by a statement that Maxine Waters, a US Congresswoman (D-Calif) made at a Pro-Abortion Rally in Washington, DC on 4/25/04: "I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion."
After the revolution all pro-choice debates, focus groups, and parental notifications will become obsolete. The only notification a woman will need is that of the local Commissar who will perform the abortion himself based on visual assessment. The expected post-revolutionary drop in labor productivity will call for more strong and healthy workers and peasants. To fight off enemies of the socialist Motherland the Party will need more strong soldiers in the Red Army. Breeding workers and soldiers will no longer be a choice but a grave responsibility of every female citizen. Commissar's decision will be based on the prospective mother's strong built and good proletarian stock. If the above conditions are met, abortion will be denied and violators thereof will be punished by various terms of corrective hard labor. For sickly individuals, substance abusers, and bourgeois offshoots abortions will be mandatory. It will be required of the Commissar to experience pleasure while extracting such uselessness from the ranks of future citizens of our caring society, and to submit the fetal matter to the nearest stem cell recycling center.

Gil's picture

That's exactly what I was

That's exactly what I was going to say
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

Ernest's picture
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Diana It was not GWB's war.

Diana It was not GWB's war. W@ith the information available at the time and knowing Sadams previouss use of chemical weapons on his own people the entire U S Congress voted to enter into that war.
As for abortion nobody has the right to take a human life.

FeloPrergoHok's picture

How low will we go Diana

How low will we go Diana Lovejoy - you want the government to fund the killing of babies in the womb . . . for what - convenience. Oh those unwanted babies who "ruin women's lives."
You are one sick, misguided woman. Have you pro-baby killing abortionists not seen the advances in technology that show the killing of babies in the womb so clearly? How could anyone want to fund such atrocities? This is truly disturbing.

veritas's picture
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The Neanderthals sure came

The Neanderthals sure came out of their caves today......

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

DonaldR's picture

You want ALL your tax monies

You want ALL your tax monies to go for funding abortions??? That's bizarre...'nuff said.

98civb18c's picture

what else would you like the

what else would you like the taxpayers to pay for your boob job, a face lift, a tummy tuck. Use some come sense. If you get knocked up you have a choice either have the baby and the state will pay for that or take the easy way out and scramble the kid like an egg(which the state doesnt and shouldnt pay for). but if you dont want a kid or cant afford an abortion then get birth control (lots of insurance covers that) or just KEEP YOUR LEGS SHUT.

wbruce's picture

I wished this editorial came

I wished this editorial came on soft two-ply paper, then I would really fill it with the content that it itterates.

Gil's picture

Now that's funny "Reasoning

Now that's funny
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

rogor's picture

Diana: You know, when

Diana: You know, when you're angry you may not think logically.

Publikwerks's picture

Abortion isn't about women's

Abortion isn't about women's rights, it about human rights. When does someone get the rights of a person? I think it's at conception, because I don't want to have to develop a test or a set of benchmarks of what is human and what is not. Because that's eugenics. And that's a line we don't want to cross.

I also like how you compare the repression women face under islamic law to a lack of funding for abortion. Why don't you compare the republicans to Hitler while your at it?

veritas's picture
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Publikwerks writes:

Publikwerks writes: "Abortion isn't about women's rights"

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Sorry there - you don't get to decide at this point..

In Rowe v. Wade (1973) and some two-dozen decisions since, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that the U.S. Constitution guarantee of a right of privacy includes a woman's right to abortion during the first thirteen weeks of pregnancy, and later to safeguard her life or health.

It's settled law.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Publikwerks's picture

Law is never settled. It's

Law is never settled. It's fluid. It's alive, because it's what we hold as the rules of civilization.

The Supreme court held that a black man held as a slave was not entitled to the protections of the Consitution.(Dred Scott v. Sandford)

Laws change.

And while I don't get to decide solely, I get to decide who represents me in congress. And congress can amend the consitution.

So no issue is dead.

veritas's picture
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Congress can amend the

Congress can amend the Constitution?

Little bit more to it than that, Skippy.

Roe v. Wade is the Law of the Land.

If you don't want an abortion - don't get one.
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Frostproof's picture
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Whatever else might be

Whatever else might be covered, I sure hope Obamacare provides plenty of benefits for PMS.

deimos's picture
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The National Coordinator of

The National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, monitors treatments "to make sure that your doctors are doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective." I am very glad to see that the same crowd that bitched about Bush and Cheney "wiretapping and listening in on their phone calls" have not made a peep about this and are just fine with turning all their medical data over to the government! I am relieved and glad that the government is taking direct action over a doctor's thought processes. I was just sick of having the Insurance Industry do all my own thinking. I am glad that someone as smart as Joe Biden will be directing all my medical decision making.
Oh, and please give us the name of the back alley abortionists so we can tax the income they make.

veritas's picture
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deimos writes: "The National

deimos writes:

"The National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, monitors treatments "to make sure that your doctors are doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective."

- You are informed about this and can 'Opt out'

Bush/Cheney kept their mouths shut and didn't tell you jack.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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