Local doctor says he's all in for L-A casino

LEWISTON — A local doctor is one of a group of private investors hoping to bring a casino to the city's downtown.

Dr. Ron Chicoine, an anesthesiologist, said Wednesday he was hoping to secure an option to buy the Bates Mill No. 5 land from the Lewiston City Council before going public with a campaign that would involve gathering signatures to put a statewide ballot measure before voters in 2011.

"But the cat's out of the bag," Chicoine said, adding that he is working with former Lewiston City Councilor Stavros Mendros.

Mendros, a professional signature collector for referendum initiatives, was most recently involved in a campaign by Rumford lawyer Seth Carey to bring a private casino to Oxford County. That measure was defeated in 2008, but voters in Lewiston and Auburn favored the measure.

"When we were seeing voters in Lewiston and Auburn supporting these measures by 60 to 70 percent every time, we thought, 'What a great opportunity this was for here,'" Mendros said. "Why not Lewiston?"

Mendros said the campaign plan being partially leaked to the media may be only a small setback because after a newspaper story appeared about the mill proposal, several other local property owners contacted him suggesting alternative sites. He said the group was hopeful to have a site to campaign around as it begins a signature-gathering effort. He was hopeful the City Council would act on the proposal at its next meeting on Dec. 12. It would be the last meeting for this council, which will see four members replaced in January.

Mendros said Chicoine and the others involved wanted to get as much out about the proposal as possible but didn't want to do that before they could secure a site.

"We wanted to get an exciting location nailed down first, is all," Mendros said. The original plan was not to build new but to refurbish the Bates Mill No. 5 into a casino-type resort. When the council decided to have the building razed, the group modified its plan to locate a casino on that property, which borders Main and Canal streets.

Chicoine said he was not at liberty to name the others involved in the proposal, which was discussed in a closed-door session of the City Council on Tuesday.

Chicoine and others had hoped the council would vote to give the investor group an option to buy the 8-acre property where the mill sits, but the council took no action after the executive session, Chicoine said.

He said the proposal had been in the works for several months and councilors had been made aware of it prior to Tuesday. He was disappointed that details had been leaked to the press, he said.

He and Mendros said they were concerned that a group working
to win a referendum vote on a casino in Oxford County in the November 2010 election would outbid them for the space they wanted,
preventing the Lewiston group from moving forward with its campaign.

"Our concern is somebody comes in and scoops it out from under us and blocks what we are doing," Chicoine said. "I'm very disappointed because we were trying to be very discreet until we could secure a site." 

The investor group believes a proposal that aims to help revitalize the downtown's cityscape and economy would be well-received both locally and statewide, Chicoine said.

"This is a good thing for Lewiston-Auburn," he said. "We want to be involved in something good for Lewiston and really wanted something in the heart of the downtown."

Chicoine said he expected to take some criticism from professional colleagues and some in the community who disagree on whether casinos are a form of economic development. He said a casino was the thing most frequently mentioned by people he talks with when discussing economic development ideas for the downtown.

A casino would be an environmentally friendly way to bring jobs and related businesses to the community, he said. It would also add to the city's property-tax base and might help reduce property taxes for residents, including the city's many elderly residents on fixed incomes.

"I really can't think of another industry that doesn't cost anything to taxpayers," Chicoine said.

Peter Martin, the spokesman for Black Bear Entertainment, the group hoping to win a statewide vote for an Oxford County resort-style casino said Tuesday he hoped the City Council would think twice about endorsing Chicoine's plan. He expects his group to win approval from voters next year. If that happens, they would be unlikely to back another casino only 20 miles away. Martin also said Oxford County was in greater economic straits than the Lewiston-Auburn area and that Maine voters would likely recognize that.

If Black Bear's bid for a casino were to lose in 2010, it would be even more unlikely that voters would approve a casino for Lewiston in 2011, Martin said.

"Investors in this proposed Lewiston casino are in a classic Catch-22 situation; it's a real no-win situation," Martin said. "If I were on the City Council, I would be very wary of inking a deal on this proposal." An option like the one Chicoine is seeking could tie up valuable property for two years with little hope it would ever be developed, he said.

Also panning the proposal Tuesday was CasinosNo! spokesman Dennis Bailey.

Bailey first suggested Martin and Mendros may be working together to get two new casinos in Maine in the next two years. Bailey later said the Lewiston proposal was as misguided as all of the others that had been rejected in recent years by Maine voters.

He further challenged the secrecy behind the mill redevelopment proposal.

"I'm just curious to why and who and why it's behind closed doors and
what's going to happen to Oxford," Bailey said."The reality is Lewiston shouldn't
get its hopes up. If Oxford is passed as the (proposed) law is written, Lewiston
couldn't get a casino."

Martin's proposal would prohibit other casinos from being built within 100 miles of the Oxford County casino.

While the Legislature could enact a casino-enabling law, it has typically left those decisions to Maine voters. Lawmakers also could re-craft the law, if passed by voters, to eliminate that 100-mile limit, Martin said.

Bailey believes voters are weary of the casino issue in Maine. "I think people are sort of like, 'Enough already,'" he said. 

Chicoine said his group planned to push on, even if they couldn't secure an option on the mill property.

"We are going to go ahead with this, regardless," Chicoine said.

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Robert61's picture

There was no casino proposal

There was no casino proposal put to the council - it was an offer for an option on land at bates Mill #5, not the casino itself. The only thing before the council was wether we should allow the property to be tied up for 2 years by accepting a cash payment to hold the land. If they later got the casino apporved and moved forward they would then pay market value for the land. Given that there is not exactly a line to Lewiston's door for the property currently, why not accept the money and allow future councilors and voters to decide whether they want a casino or not. Unfortunately, details were not available and questions surrounded the deal, thus its best for this council to allow an incoming council to make that decision. It will be interesting to watch which former councilors start buying property in the area as speculation much like some have done in the past. Even more interesting will be to see if there are still leaks on confidential negotiations with a new council being seated.

Robert61's picture

Sammie, here's a statistic

Sammie, here's a statistic to beat all of yours and show just how foolish statistics can be -

99% of all alcolohics started out in life drinking water....

sthistle's picture
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If you want to participate

If you want to participate in a non-scientific poll on this issue please do so. I'm curious to what L-A folks and others in Maine are thinking.

http://twtpoll.com/kuaxol

Thanks,

Scott

Dave's picture

I've voted against previous

I've voted against previous casino proposals, but will vote for the one proposed in Oxford. Fairly reputable backers, a fairly reasonable bill, and a great location.

I don't see the same coming from the backers of the Lewiston proposal.

bud aiken's picture

Sammie: what you fail to

Sammie: what you fail to tell the reader is this fact. Crime statisitics reported by known anti-gaming experts like Grinals always use the population base numbers before the arrival of the casinos and never take into efffect the increase in population from the workers and visitors. When those numbers are factoered in almost in every circumstance the per capita crime numbers decrease. Earl Grinals the so-called guro for the anti-gamers has never been peer reviewed and his findings have been discredited by researchers in the field. If you want an unbiased review of casino gamiong I suggest you read Dan Walkers "The Economics of Casino Gaming" and watch your statisitcs come tumbling down.

FeloPrergoHok's picture

Minime44 - My experience

Minime44 - My experience came from living in an area that had a casino forced upon them (native American) and working with related agencies such as the law enforcement entities of that area. However, a quick search produced many FACTS - - read 'em and weep Minime44- Emperical studies about the Social Impact of Casino Development:
CRIME
1. A U.S. News & World Report analysis found crime rates in casino communities to be 84% higher than the national average. Further, while national crime rates dropped by 2% in 1994, the 31 localities that introduced casinos in 1993 saw a 7.7% increase in crime the following year. (Joseph P. Shapiro, "America's Gambling Fever", U.S. News & World Report, January 15, 1996, pp 58, 60)
2. In the first six years of casino operation in Minnesota, the crime rate in counties with casinos increased more than twice as fast as in non-casino counties. According to an analysis by Minneapolis Star Tribune, the median crime rate in casino counties rose 39% during that period as compared to an 18% increase in non-casino counties. (Dennis J. McGrath and Chris Ison, "Gambling Spawns a New Breed of Criminal," (Minneapolis) Star Tribune, December 4, 1995, p.A6)
3. The total number of crimes within a 30-mile radius of Atlantic City increased by 107% in the nine years following the introduction of casinos to Atlantic City. (Andrew J. Buck, Simon Hakim, and Uriel Spiegal, "Casinos, Crime and Real Estate Values: Do They Relate?" Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency, August 1991, p. 295)
4. The Mississippi Gulf Coast experienced a 43% increase in crime in the four years after casinos arrived. Harrison County, where most of the Gulf Coast casinos are located, witnessed a 58% increase in total crimes between 1993 and 1996. (Robert Waterbury, "1996 Mississippi Coast Crime Statistics," Mississippi Coast Crime Commission, May 1997.)
5. To date, there has not been one day that the Connecticut State Police have not arrested someone at Foxwoods Casino or Mohegan Sun Casino. The crimes include rape, murder, larceny and grand theft auto. (Reno, "Gambling Impact on Families", from Tribal Nation.)
6. Between 1990 and 1998, a period when the overall crime rates in New London Labor Market Area had declined by 10.8%, the crime rate in Ledyard, Connecticut went up by 300%. If only "out of casino" crimes are considered, Ledyard alone has registered a 70% increase in crime in that same period. (Reno, "Gambling Impact on Families", from Tribal Nation.)
7. Crime in American counties with casinos has fallen at a slower rate than it has in non-gambling counties. (Foresight, Vol 6 #4, 1999)
8. Counties with casinos have a crime rate 8% higher on average than counties without casinos based on analysis of 20 years of federal crime data from all 3,165 counties in the U.S., taking into account several variables that may affect crime rates such as income levels, unemployment rates, age, race, gender. (David Mustard, Earl Grinols, University of Illinois @ Urban-Champaign)
9. In the study entitled "Business Profitability vs Social Profitability: Evaluating Industries with Externalities, the Case of Casinos," economists Earl Grinols and David Mustard used an economic cost-benefit analysis and found "the cost of casino are at least 1.9 times greater than the benefits." In other words, one dollar worth of casino profits and other social benefits, costs taxpayers at least $1.90 in "cost-creating activities such as crime, suicide, and bankruptcy,' and the expensive social problems engendered by "problem and pathological gamblers." (Native American Press, "Casinos, Crime and Community Costs" by Clara Niiska, January 25, 2002.)
10. Casinos increase crime in their host counties and crime spills over into neighboring counties to increase crime in border areas. Grinols, Mustard and Dilley analyzed crime rates for every US county between 1977 and 1996. Casinos create crime, rather than attract it from elsewhere," they found. In 1996, the last year for which statistics were available at the time of their study, "casinos accounted for 10.3% of violent crimes and 7.7% of property crime in casino counties." Auto theft is the crime that increased the most; robberies increased by 20%, despite increased expenditures by law enforcement agencies after casinos opened. ("Casinos, Crime and Community Costs," by Grinols, Mustard, and fellow economist Cynthia Hunt Dilley)
11. The data analyzed by Grinols et al, show a time-lag between casino opening and higher crime rates, which typically begin a few years after casinos open and increase over time. They theorized that much of that time lag reflected the addictive processes of problem gamblers, who "according to clinical research, take 2-3 years to exhaust alternative resources before they commit crime." (www.cba.uiuc.edu/grinols/Scribbling/Casino-Crime-15SEP00.pdf)
DIVORCE:(1) The number of divorces tripled since the introduction of casinos. (Mississippi State Department of Health, "Vital Statistics Mississippi" for the years 1991-1998); (2)National Gambling Impact Study Commission said, "respondents representing two million adults identified a spouse's gambling as a significant factor in divorce." (National Opinion Research Center, "Gambling Impact and Behavior study: Report to the National Gaming Institute Study Commission, April 1, 1991, p.48)
CHILD ABUSE: (1) National Gambling Impact Study Commission said, "Children of compulsive gamblers are often prone to suffer abuse, as well as neglect as a result of parental problem or pathological gambling." (NGISC Final Report p.7-28) (2) In Indiana, a review of the state's gaming commission records revealed that 72 children were found abandoned on casino premises during a 14 month period. (Grace Schneider, "Children Being Left Alone While Parents Gamble," Louisville Courier-Journal, July 18, 2000) (3) In both Louisiana and South Carolina, children died after being locked in hot cars while guardians gambled. (Joe Darby, Sitter Indicted in Toddler's Death", New Orleans Times-Picayune, May 23, 1999; "Police: Baby Died of Dehydration in Car While Mom Gambled in Casino," Associated Press, September 2, 1997) DOMESTIC VIOLENCE (1) According to National Research Council, studies indicate that between 1/4 and 1/2 of spouses of compulsive gamblers have been abused. (National Research Council, "Pathological Gambling: A Critical Review", April 1, 1999, p.52)
(2) Case studies of 10 casino communities conducted for the National Gambling Impact Study Commission revealed that the majority of those communities witnessed increases in domestic violence relative to the introduction of casinos. (NGISC Final Report p 7-27)
(3) Domestic violence shelters on Mississippi Gulf Coast reported an increase for assistance ranging from 100% to 300% after introduction of casinos. (Maryland Attorney General J. Joseph Curran Jr. "The House Never Loses and Maryland Cannot Win: Why Casino Gaming is a Bad Idea," October 16, 1995 p.5; NGISC Final Report, p. 7-27)
(4) University of Nebraska Medical Center Study concluded that problem gambling is as much a factor for domestic violence as alcohol abuse. (Jon Jejkal, "University of Nebraska Doctor Contributes to National Domestic Violence Study," Daily Nebraskan, January 13, 2000.)
DRUNK DRIVING (1) In Connecticut, the State Police Troop E has the highest DWI/DUI rate in the state. This troop is responsible for the area around Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods Casinos. In 2000, Troop E made 690 DUI arrests - more than twice the number of arrests of any other Connecticut State Police Troop. (Fiscal Impacts of Foxwoods Casino on the Town of Ledyard Connecticut: Mayor Wesley J Johnson, Sr. Town of Ledyard 741 Colonel Ledyard Highway, Ledyard Connecticut, 06339 December 2001)
MORE:
http://ideas.repec.org/p/wpa/wuwple/0501001.html
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=233792
http://www.saynotocasino.com/CasinosCrimeCommunityCosts.html

McCarron's picture
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Put the blasted thing out

Put the blasted thing out near the Ramada and other hotels. There is turnpike access and the railway line right there. The last thing downtown needs is more congestion.

-- "I'm here for the beer and nuts. Only I've not found the beer here, but there are plenty of nuts!"

Gil's picture

I wish one of these would

I wish one of these would hurry up and pass. I'm tired of driving to Foxwoods to hit a casino and play poker. One thing to keep in mind is that not only does a casino provide jobs, jobs are created because of casinos. People working in casinos and those gambling in them need services like food, gas, dry cleaning, mechanics, etc. Not to mention the construction jobs in building and maintaining the casino and the new stores, parking areas, restaurants, etc. And the gas I would save would allow me to play more. P.S. - If you ever bought a scratch ticket or lottery ticket in the state, then you have no right to grumble about gambling.
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

Winterbear98's picture

LEWISTON NEEDS GROWTH AND

LEWISTON NEEDS GROWTH AND FAST WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CASINO IN LEWISTON GOOD FOR ALL OF LEWISTON

LewistonNative...'s picture
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First off, I have to agree

First off, I have to agree that a casino would be good for the area, but I do disagree of holding the property waiting for the legal process on whether we can get on or not. I'd much rather get something in there asap if it is possible. If not then that location is the perfect area for a Casino. It is in the center of L/A and that area could handle the traffic. One of the main objections I have always had about a casino in Oxford is that there is the location. Lewiston has access to the turnpike (could also help maybe get the exit 79 that Lewiston has been wanitng), and to top it off L/A is fighting to get a commuter rail and/or a passanger air service. Lewiston also has Greyhound and as most people who have been to Foxwoods and such know thats one of the best ways to get to that casino. As, for the crime that everyone speaks of, I have full faith that both Lewiston and Auburn PD's can handle it. After all Lewiston's police force is the 2nd largest in the State and Lewiston statistically is a safer place then Portland, Bangor, Biddeford, Waterville and is as safe as Bath(http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/me/crime/). For those of you who think that having a casino will make your crime rate rise go to http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ct/crime/, Montville, CT on that map is where Uncasville is located. Overall it is a good investment for L/A, you get jobs whether they are 800 or 50 they are jobs and you get property tax and all the other taxes along with it. Also, in having a casino it would benefit the new hotels that are coming to L/A, it would benefit the restaurants, bring in more restaurants and possibly bring more retail businesses to L/A. Overall it would bolster not just the economy in L/A, but the whole county. As, for people that are worried about gambling, I don't see the complaining about scratch tickets or the Maine Lotto which is just as addicting.

cabin guy's picture

After I saw this article in

After I saw this article in the Newspaper this morning, I just had to laugh. Let me give you a piece of information. Mr. Chicone owns and operates Ja-Lynne Mobile Home Park. This park has been sold 3 times in the past 5-8 years. The original owner,Stan Castner, was a remarkable businessman, and friend. EVERYONE who owned this park after Stan has made promises, and has not fulfilled them. When the Dr. bought this park, he was going to fix the roads, put up new lights, ect ect. and every time we ask we are told there is no money. Oh, and when he purchased the park, he instantly raised the rent $55.00. We are now paying $275 a month, and nothing gets done. This man is not a man of his word. Sorry, but just come down here and look at the disrepair of the roads, and you will understand. He might be a really nice man, and Dr. but for a businessman, he is only in it for the money.

Gil's picture

Probly has sumptin to do wit

Probly has sumptin to do wit dose no good double wide folks. They're just flaunting it with a trailer that daggum big!!
"Reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. " Pirate

Sandra2's picture

Oxford cannot possibly pass

Oxford cannot possibly pass without a big Yes vote out of LA. There is no way that will happen now. Looks like Oxford is DOA.

peterr1218's picture
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You want the truth about

You want the truth about casinos and crime, etc.? Look no further than Bangor. http://www.casinosno.org/info.php?info_id=57

robert's picture

Zack...you have got to be

Zack...you have got to be kidding! Do you not know the phrase...consider the source? Do you honestly think casinosno is going to post the truth? To exist an organization like casinosno MUST scare people into opening their wallets. That is how they are able to stay in business. If they told you the truth and it wasn't in support of their position...why would you donate money to them? Take a look at the unravelling of science behind global warming. Evidence is coming out that the information was cooked to support the global warming idea. Does it suprise you to know that one of the strongest supporters for global warming and carbon credits is Al Gore...the same guy who made $100 million last year through his ownership of the largest carbon credit trading companies?

SC's picture
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OK. I read through all those

OK. I read through all those posts and need to give my 5 cents to it also.
I did visit one casino. It was Belterra in Florence Indiana. It's a resort type casino and the actual casino part is a small area on a boat versa the huge complex of hotel, restaurants, shops, golf course etc. The county where is in is easy to be compared to Oxford County - very rural and not many other opportunities. When asked the locals regards finding work they listed some and at the end of the sentence there was "and there is always the casino" This is the biggest employer in that area. There is another casino in the bordering county just 15! miles away. I didn't see any crime or had to be afraid to go out at night - more the opposite, it felt very luxurious in the area around the casino.
I think it would bring up the area quite a bit. As for Oxford, it would make sense to include any recreational possibility into the project.
Did I mention that the property taxes in Switzerland County (where Belterra is) are the lowest I ever have seen?

CML's picture

sickenedlewistonian...who is

sickenedlewistonian...who is funding the Oxford casino efforts? Hint, it's not out-of-state casino groups. Who is going to manage the potential Oxford Casino? Hint, it's most likely not going to be a licensed out-of-state gaming company. The good doctor does not have $100 Million sitting around nor are any of the banks coughing up funds for casino development. Not even b-level investment banks like Morgan Joseph (www.morganjoseph.com).

Bangor benefits from location and from traffic passing by that section of Bangor. Downtown ghetto Lewiston has neither advantages. Honestly, this sounds like two Frenchmen proposing a million dollar home in the middle of a trailer park.

As for the person below claiming no one has the right to bitch about increasing local taxes if you are opposed to a downtown casino, property taxes keep going up from horrible city council decisions and 1000 Somali kids dumped on the public school system.

Scootersgal's picture

As an Oxford County citizen,

As an Oxford County citizen, I don't mind the thought of a Casino in Maine, but it should certainly be closer to the turnpike. We locals swear at the canadians & skiiers, don't forget Oxford 250's folks clogging up out roads, why would you assume that our roads could handle extra people, extra police, road repairs, medical staff for ambulances. You cannot say that we have seen what closing route 26 down due to several accidents, the detore being High Street. Imagine more yahoos on the road, along with the already occuring accidents along with the strain on lifeflight.
Yes it brings jobs, but why is it that folks used to work in Lewiston couldn't return to work for the casino closer to the area where the increased traffic flow used to be. Re-furbishing an already existing building is very "Green", ready for septic, parking, electricity etc.
Lewiston is a great idea!!! (What are the statistics for Lewiston citizens & unemployment?)
Good day

sickenedlewistonian's picture

Ok first of all people the

Ok first of all people the reason the casino bill keeps failing to pass is because the majority of the money from the casinos was to go to companies out of the state of maine and not really bring in much income for the state. With the lewiston casino its based on a group FROM maine so the money stays in maine. I personally know areas where casinos are as I have family members who work at foxwoods and the crime rate has NOT jumped up like you people are saying. You no people want lower taxes and better benefits but yet are opposed to business that will bring in money to lower taxes. Its time you people wake up and look passed your noses to spite ur face and see the big picture not the propaganda that the no casino people keep spewing. I for one feel a casino in lewiston is an excellent idea and would be good for the city.

bud aiken's picture

Before you all start lining

Before you all start lining up to put your first quarter in the slot machines in Lewiston remember this. The Oxford Resort goes to a vote a full year before this issue ever goes before the voters. The LA casino will never be built and Martin the BBE spokesperson nailed it on the head. If Oxford passes, that will be it game over......the Maine public will never endorse a second casino just 20 miles away from Oxford a year later. If Oxford were to loose, game over again.....the public will now say enough is enough. Here again they are not going to nix Oxford and then support Lewiston a year later. From all accounts the Oxford Referendum is very well written so if that is defeated what chance will Lewsiston have a year later. All these Lewsiston investors have done is give Dennis Bailey more ammuntion to argue against gaming expansion. Having Mendros involved should say it all, he is truley leading the good Doctor and his friends down a path of absolutly no return presumably to enhance his own gain.

Pirate's picture
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Here's a group of developers

Here's a group of developers that were willing to refurbish the existing Bates Mill No. 5 facility and turn it into a casino. But, the Lewiston City Council thought it would be a better idea to spend $800 grand of taxpayer money to "raze" it instead.
I may have a patch over one eye, but it is clear that some of this stuff just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The parrot sez he'd be willing to "administrate" the city for 40 grand, 6 cases of crackers, and a bag of catnip.

nisback76's picture

My feeling is a casino could

My feeling is a casino could very well be an extremely great asset to our city. There is nothing that I would personally love to see more than to have the mills put to use. The way our economy is these days and the rate of unemployment a casino can put hope back in our lives and bring our way of living back into a positive light. That is what the city of Lewiston needs right now!!!!

ferryd's picture

Sammie- cite your sources. I

Sammie- cite your sources. I could just as easily say that casinos bring peace and love and wealth, crime will actually go down etc., however, without citing my sources I sound like an opinionated moron!!!

jayla's picture

Bring it on!

Bring it on!

thehotoneisinthehouse's picture

It does create jobs and tax

It does create jobs and tax revenue.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

How can you people not

How can you people not understand? Have you ever even been to a casino before?

Building a Casino will NOT revitalize ANYTHING. It will attract THOUSANDS of out-of-staters seeking low-wage employment, putting EVER+N MORE of a strain on our subsidized housing and social service programs. He locals who are already in need of assistance will find it harder and harder to find help, all the while the crime rate will GO UP, creating an increased need for police patrols in Lewiston and all neighboring communities.
Don’t be FOOLED by the false promises of a quick buck. Casinos attract, greed, crime, position and all other kinds of immorality. Keep Maine the WAY LIFE SHOULD BE.

nisback76's picture

I would have to disagree

I would have to disagree with you. I have been to many casino's. I have not seen or heard of additional crimes due to a casino. Honestly if that is the way you feel then we should ban bars and restaurants from serving alcohol as well. There is crime everywhere. Crime isn't focused to just one specific area. You have no idea if a casino will bring on additional crime that is strictly your own opinion. Is there anything wrong with being open minded and possibly look at the good for the city and how that could effect our economy in a positive way. Not everything needs to be thought of as negative.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

I challenge you o talk a

I challenge you o talk a walk in the areas SURROUNDING a Casino. Run-down strip malls harboring drug dealers and prostitutes. Gang violence, robberies and crack heads EVERYWHERE. Even in friggin Uncasville, and area that was beautiful before Mohegan Sun.

FeloPrergoHok's picture

The good doctor is

The good doctor is undoubtedly after big bucks - believe me it is not for the welfare of you Lewiston citizens that he wishes to invest in a casino. I hope he isn't dreaming of the big bucks when he puts you under!
A casino brings the following: increased traffic fatalities due to increased drunk driving and just the increased traffic at all hours of the night/morning; increased drug abuse; increased crime; increased gambling addictions; the poor getting poorer because studies show that poor folk gamble the most (the casino always makes their profit); and in all those states/areas that have voted it in or had it forced in the purpose given was that it would fund education yet their fiscal and education woes continue. GAMBLING brings in vice and corruption. We in Auburn - Lewiston need to mount the campaign now and start calling your local officials.

nisback76's picture

I am having an extremely

I am having an extremely hard time with the amount of negative people posting to this article. Does anyone know how to think positive. Honestly this economy has affected mostly everyone in a negative way. Is it really that hard for people to look at the positives of a casino in our area???? Does anyone know how badly this area needs jobs available to people. Not to mention how a casino can also bring in other businesses in which they will also need to employ more people. There is nothing wrong with looking at the positives, and if crime is a concern, then maybe crime wouldn't be as high if people actually had jobs or atleast jobs that pay well. I am so fed up with people who are so negative about things and really don't know how to be positive. A Casino would be a huge asset to our community!!!!

howdypartner's picture

I vote yes. Why not try a

I vote yes. Why not try a little bit of change. Might be a burst of growth for LA.

Winterbear98's picture

100 PERCENT THAT WOULD BE

100 PERCENT THAT WOULD BE ALOT OF GROWTH IN THE AREA I VOTE YES

Gary52's picture
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Candiceanne, Oxford County's

Candiceanne, Oxford County's October unemployment rate is 10.3%, not 19%. Androscoggin County's October unemployment rate is 8.1%. Source: Me. Dept. of Labor. Stop pulling numbers out of your @$$.

candiceanne's picture

Last weeks numbers had the

Last weeks numbers had the state at 10.3%. Rumford which is in Oxford County was at 19%. Other area towns range between 17% and 19% including Bethel which has been hit very hard by the depression. The only area doing somewhat better is Oxford Hills. Checkout the article in the River Valley section on the program being brought to Rumford from New Orleans, I believe it is JumpStart Maine, or something like that, to help businesses in crisis. The program was introduced to selectpersons at their meeting the Monsay before Thanksgiving.

Rinoblast's picture

Fact Check Time! Here's an

Fact Check Time! Here's an Excel sheet from the state:
http://tinyurl.com/yf8vfhb

Highlights: Maine UE is 7.6%. Oxford County is 10.3%. Rumford is 13%.

Compared to 8.1% in Androscoggin County and 8.1% in Lewiston.

These are numbers from October released on Nov. 20th. Notice it took almost 3 weeks to get the numbers out, making it impossible for November's numbers to have been released. Anything you're referencing is either an estimate or not the UE rate, but rather the number of people who don't work (The UE rate doesn't count the underemployed or those not actively looking for a job).
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Forfun's picture

What's a "Monsay"?

What's a "Monsay"?

pg38's picture
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YESSSSS!!! What a GREAT

YESSSSS!!! What a GREAT idea. I support this 110%. I'm tired of supporting the out-of-state casinos, hotels and restaurants. The economic and job market growth in the Lewiston-Auburn area is so needed!

Forfun's picture

Who is forcing you to go to

Who is forcing you to go to the out-of-state casinos, hotels, and restaurants? Stay in Maine, buy your scratch ticket, suck up the Moxie and vegetate. Lewiston/Auburn needs some more immigrants, there are still vacant storefronts waiting to be turned into mosques.

Ginger1's picture

" Doctor,heal thyself ." Why

" Doctor,heal thyself ." Why don't you concentrate on your patients instead of your vices ? If you have any patients left !!!

robert's picture

Ginger...seriously don't

Ginger...seriously don't quit your day job because I don't see a future for you in the fine art of debate.

I've known Ron Chicoine since high school. He is a GREAT person who wants to make a change. Are we as a nation being so reprogramed to think the pursuit of business profit is a negative thing? If so what would the anti-profiteers think of US history. My profession is economic development and I can say that a casino would be a monumenal economic aggregator. This argument will center on the anti casino people who will argue points of fear and how the casino will change the way of life while the pro casino people will argue with reason, numbers and facts and how it will positively change the community. Well I have always based my decisions on facts, numbers and reason so try to scare me...its not going to work and I hope Ron and his group who are taking on risk make a ton of cash...though pelosi, obama, et. al. will just take it away in the for of taxes....

nisback76's picture

Ginger1, Honestly,

Ginger1,
Honestly, that was uncalled for. Who are you to attack an individual for wanting to do some good in this area??? Do you know how to be positive??

State Worker's picture

He's an anesthesiologist, he

He's an anesthesiologist, he has a lot of patients. I think it is a great thing for this area and obviously so do others, as he is not the only one trying to get this brought here. I just get so annoyed when people choose to attack the person rather than the issue. I believe he is also trying to do something good for this area with jobs, more business for the local small businesses and another positive for the Bates Mill. Why can't you see that? If you have a problem with the gambling part, then don't gamble and don't support it for that reason, there is no reason to attack the doctor (who has worked with my mother and others that I know, he is a great doctor, he has a wonderful bedside manner and makes patients really feel as relaxed as they can be before a surgery).

skippy's picture
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As has been mentonedin

As has been mentonedin previous posts this would be excellent for Lewiston. Just be careful who is approvedas a developer. You only get one "first shot" at thisand it is your best shot.

Iniseinfili's picture

A casino isn't going to

A casino isn't going to revitalize Lewiston or Oxford or any other part of Maine.
Oxford had their chance to turn Oxford Plains Speedway into NHIS and they turned it down. And now they think a Casino in their backyard will save them? Good luck with that. There are tons of other and better long term options for downtown Lewistion.....

nisback76's picture

There are tons of other

There are tons of other better long term options for Lewiston???? Are you kidding me??? If that were the case we would have seen some of those options years ago. The businesses that have moved in have only torn down buildings to rebuild. They have generated jobs but not to the extent that we need. So right now we have an option for Lewiston and that would be a casino. I say we go for it. There is nothing wrong with taking a chance and being positive about it!!!

Reason's picture
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candiceanne says So a

candiceanne says
So a question for the Sun Journal is why have you allowed a post and repost totaling 4 times...do you support her point of view or is no one editing this page today... I reason something is wrong.

candiceanne's picture

It is not the first time I

It is not the first time I have tried to post something and had it appear multiple times. There seems to be a glitch with SJs computer. I post from a mobile device between apointments (usually starting around 4:30 AM) once I hit post comment it goes to the new screen. On my mobile device I can not back up to what I entered, it is gone, I would have to type the whole thing in again. Somehow SJ regularly posts the comment multiple times which is annoying and this mornings massive number of duplications just plain p...me off. I have no way to fix ot anymore than I can fix the three days behind the times news, terrible grammar, headlines that have nothing to do with the stories and lack of substance in SJ.

preaves's picture
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Hi Candice, Sorry about that

Hi Candice,

Sorry about that inconvenience. The next time it happens, you can contact me at preaves@sunjournal.com and I'll try to figure out what the problem might be,

Thanks,

Pattie Reaves
Web Editor, The Sun Journal

akempler's picture
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Not aware of any glitch. If

Not aware of any glitch. If we were having a problem everybody would be double posting.

sredmun's picture

For those of you who don't

For those of you who don't want a casino....... you, then, do not get to complain about having high taxes and high unemployment.

fixit001's picture
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dont you guys get it ????

dont you guys get it ???? does it take a sledgehammer to pound it into your heads??? and are you as stupid as you look MAINE HAS SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER NO CASINOS !!!!!!!
AND WE NEED A REF THAT WILL STOP THEM FROM PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!

bud aiken's picture

Sandraz2, The Oxford Issue

Sandraz2, The Oxford Issue comes before the voters of Maine a full year before Lewiston would every get a shot. If Oxford wins lewiston looses, if they loose lewiston looses. public will never endorse a second casino when Oxford passes.

Sandra2's picture

Since the Lewiston Casino

Since the Lewiston Casino bill hasn't been written yet, it can easily change the Oxford 100 mile restriction to 20 or better yet repeal the Oxford bill entirely in the language of the Lewiston bill. Much better to have one in -LA, if Bangor can handle it so can Lewiston.

Why tear up nice green space and create more sprawl in Oxford when instead they can revitalize a struggling downtown?

candiceanne's picture

Because Oxford County

Because Oxford County unemployment is at 19% and climbing. We can only stand so much green space. A little green in the pocket for a change would be nice.

All you treehuggers, only a very small percentage of this state is not "pristine;" most of it is so "pristine" you cant get to it. Some areas the population is so sparse with so much "pristine" between the pockets of humans the State representative districts are so geographically large the reps have to fly small planes to see their constituents (John Martin-D Eagle Lake for example) like in Alaska. You are killing this nation state and the people in it. You have already turned Maine into a third world country (Remember your history, the US is made up of 50 individual nation states that come together for certain thins ie military, currency. Sound like the first European Ecobomic Community?) Well ?aine is now a third world nation taking welfare from the other nations in the Union no different from any other third world nation off shore. Maine people can change it just as the people in those other third world countries can change it. The question is do you want to change or continue on this path of decline and despair?

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