As just an average citizen of America, I am sharing my thoughts about terrorists who are captured by any of the military or security forces.
Terrorists equal terror. These people are and will never be anything other than terrorists. Once in custody, they should be transferred to Guantanamo Bay and incarcerated until prosecuted — by a military tribunal as quickly as humanely possible.
They should never be allowed to hide behind the Constitution and the very laws which they seek to destroy.
They should never, never be allowed to stand trial on U.S. soil — land of the free, home of the brave.
Should they be convicted, they should never, ever be buried in this country, as they have lost all respect for our way of life and our freedoms. The burial place for the deceased could be determined by the tribunal.
William A. Ferentz, Lewiston
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Herb; Our President's
Herb;
Our President's exercising a good attitude. Humility backed by strength. To deride him for bowing or apologizing for our once haughty and jingoistic policies is disrespectful.
You obviously know very little about the law. Anyone accused of murder - killing an innocent person - retains their rights. If I, as a cop, were to have deprived one of their rights then the case would be tossed - and they would walk as a free person. 'War Criminals?' Who declared 'War?' We haven't done so since 1942. We seems to invade 'fast and loose' any time a President can get a mere authoriziation for the use of force.
And here's another clue. One of the major contributing factors as to why we were attacked if that we didn't concern ourselves with only our own problems - (as you suggested) - but continually stuck our nose in the affairs of others - especially the Saudis.
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Isn't it amazing how the underpants bomber is cooperating in a way that the tortured suspects under the Bush administration didn't. Seems that Susan Collins and Republicans don't know what they're talking about regarding "national security," not that they ever did.
Republicans don't have faith in the beliefs that made America great. They place their party first and are plagued with irrational fear that defines their lives. They are quite simply cowards who would destroy the values that made America great.
Tearing apart America's values isn't the path to being "safe," it is the path to becoming irrational right wingnuts intent on living in a totalitarian state.
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From your earlier post to me: "Republican: Angry. Clueless. Always." Everyone of your posts have nuttin' but hate filled spew. Such hipocrisy.....as so goes the liberal doctrine.
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He mabee a libral butt I can ashure ewe he can spell, nuttin is spelt nothing, Everyone should be Every one, and hipocrisy... sir it is spelt like dis hypocrisy.
My advice, stay away from Fox Snooze maybe read a book, nahhhhhhhhhh that would involve thinking? On the other hand there is such a thing called spell check maybe ewes should check it out.
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I spelled it nuttin' as fancy word play....... Of course I know it's spelled "nothing" you moron. Oh by the way, you said Fox Snooze, its Fox News....Now see how 'tupid you sound. And yes , I spelled the other word wrong...I type fast and I don't have time to copy and paste my posts into Word for a spell check.
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You can do spell check directly in your message before posting it, any idiot knows that. Oops, apparently there is one that doesn't
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Oh All mighty tron...Please tell me, how do I use the spell check...yes your right I don't know how to use it. Soooo please clue me in so I can fix my imperfections with the help of spell check function just as you do. Too bad it dosen't correct substance and common sense, your posts would be blank. As for my spelling, with out the help of said spell check function...I give it a B+.
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More like a C, with out is spelled without. Home skooled wer yew.
Sorry couldn't resist. I still say if you stray away from the flock of sheeple that you now associate, in other words FOX SNOOZE, you will do better maybe even become a smarter, more educated voter than you obviously are today.
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Who says I associate with Fox? I read some things on their website, and on MSNBC's and even the Huffington Posts. I try to get all angles. But I don't have to come up with creative names to smack down those who I disagree with. But why even argue with you, oh hillarious XYZ. We all laugh at the way you bash conservatives with your name distortions. Its so creative and funny (**sarcasm alert**)! You make yourself look like a fool. No spelling/gramatical perfection cannot cleanse your posts of the ass that you really are. But keep on writing, I'm glad you play for the other team. Oooooppps....I gave away that I think right of center! But don't worry, I don't listen to Blush Limplop or what ever you call him... You can have the last word, you tire me. And that also goes for the guy who names himself after a rather poor eighties movie as well. And no I didn't check for spelling/grammar....so have fun.
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You think? You could have fooled me. Perhaps if you didn't listen to the right wing wackos and regurgitate everything they say, people might believe you actually know how to think.
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Mr Ferentz;
You consider yourself an "Average American" - then take it upon yourself to dictate the circumstances upon which a 'Terrorist' will be incarcerated and imprisoned.
Never mind that many of the questions you mention about those captured have been brought to the highest court of the land - the United States Supreme Court - where decisions have been rendered in accordance with our Constitution, which our Military and Civilian legal systems must follow.
To do otherwise, Mr. Ferentz, is un-American and treasonous.
Among the cases you should look up and read are:
Rasul v. Bush, 542 U.S. 466 (2004) - Which deals with the U.S. Court system's authority to decide whether foreign nationals (non-U.S. citizens) held in Guantanamo Bay were wrongfully imprisoned.
Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. 557 (2006) - held that Military Commissions set up by the Bush administration to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay lack "the power to proceed because its structures and procedures violate both the UniformCode of Military Justice and the four Geneva Convnetions signed in 1949." Specifically, the ruling says that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions was violated.
There are many more - but you don't get to set up the rules.
If you prefer living in a country where prisoners have NO rights, I suggest migrating to North Korea.
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I can't belive I'm posting this, but I actually agree with Veritas here. Once on U.S. soil, ANYONE AND EVERYONE is afforded the same rights; Habeas Corpus, attorneys, etc. If you want to treat a terrorist differently, you must do so somewhere else other than on U.S. soil - and Guantanamo Bay IS U.S. soil. But, remember, if you do try them somewhere else (to get away from that pesky Constitution), you will open yourself up to very severe criticism from the rest of the world - and rightly so. So, be very careful what you wish for.
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Old Bill,
You are correct, glad to see most of us agree with your statement.
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Old Bill,
You are correct, glad to see most of us agree with your statement.
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Well let me see now Tron. When Bush left office, he left Mr. Obama with full flegged Counter Terrorrism Service. For 8 yeras there had been no attacks on the US let alone within the US. You probably don't even know how many attemps were stopped by this unit. In his first year Mr. Obama has downgraded the CTS to the point of 5 terrorrist attacks occured within the US. Two occured without injuries, 2 occured with fatal results and one occured with serious near fatal results. Now was that Bush's fault or Obama's? I think Berry is off to a pretty bad start, don't you? Nah you probably don't. For all you know Ben Laden could be dead in some cave someplace.
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Yeah, if you skip over the anthrax attacks, the shoe bomber, 9/11, etc... Not to mention every single terrorist released that has rejoined the fight was released on Bush's watch.
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Are you kidding?? Let's see Richard Reid and hey, let's not forget 911, the largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil made possible by an incompetent REPUBLICAN President! Can't accept the reality of what Republicans have done, hah?
Republican: We guarantee failure!
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Garbage, Bush politicized those departments and there are mountains of evidence about this. That you are so blind that you aren't processing fact by some choice or inability is clear. It's why you're a brave, ignorant, anti-rational Republi-CON.
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Voisine what you are failing to see is that there was a barrier put up between the CIA and the FBI not letting the dots to be connected. What you are failing to see is that barrier was put up during the administration of a Democrat, President Clinton.
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Gee since when does a barrier or law stop any reptile. Watergate, Iran Contra come to mind just off the top of my head then of course the illegal wire tapping of citizen under the Shrub administration. Just to name a few. If you want a more complete list I have them all at least the ones that have come to light.
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Regretfully you lost all credibility when you said "Shrub". Don't forget, CIA and FBI also obeyed the law under the Clinton administration.
Question: How do you know you won an arguement against a liberal?
Answer: They start calling names. i.e. "reptile", "Shrub"
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No, it was all Monica's fault!
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And this has to do with what?
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Dave Gagnon writes: "For 8 years there had been no attacks on the US let alone within the US."
Eight years of Bush and there were no attacks on the U.S? What was 9/11? Chopped liver??
Try keeping U.S. body count score between Bush and Obama there without the spin, Einstein.....
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Sorry Veritas, I assumed you knew I meant the 8 yesrs after the 9/11 attacks. But as usual when it comes to you and your progressive friends I need to be more specific. Your abilities are limited and I shouldn't assume your can figure certain things out.
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How irrational and absurd Republicans are, and how desperate! Invoking Waco! Wow, wonder what they'd be saying about Waco if Bush had been President at the time. We know the answer.
Republican: Angry. Clueless. Always.
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Irrational Rebuplican? What makes you think I'm Republican to begin with. How absurd to use "and, if, but" scenarios. I can put Obama in the same type scenarios, or Regan for that matter. Oh, and stock up on sheetrock, the Kool-aid man should be busting through your walls any minute now.
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Spin? So tell me how Clinton left Bush with a stronger intelligence system? How many terrorist acts were on the Clinton watch (Well there was that time he cooked all those women and children extemists in Waco, that took care of them!). Oh, and if we can blame Bush for something that happened 9 months into his Presidency, that would suggest that the current state of our ecnomic system was offically Obama's responsibility on 9-11-09.
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Ben Ladden has celebrated 9 birthdays since 9-11, one with our current President's admministration and 8 under Bush's. So obvioulsy it's Obama's fault, right?
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You seem to be forgetting that Republicans armed the Shah of Iran, giving that dictator the largest military in the Middle East aside from Israel. Then Ronald Reagan cut a deal with Iran called ARMS FOR HOSTAGES, which translated to TREASON because Jimmy Carter was the sitting U.S. President at the time.
Reagan also put stinger missiles into the hands of the Taliban; put weapons in the hands of right wing death squads in South America; and gave chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein!
Boy-oh-boy, Republicans really are the most ignorant buffoons America has to offer!
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There once was a time when this country demanded respect for it's citizens. Now our president bows before other heads of state. He apoloizes to the world for being the greatest country in the world, and lastly he apparently condones terrorist acts against the citizens of this country. My wife, although a commoner, has always been proud to be an American. There are laws on the books which prescribe how terrorists are to be tried and executed. It looks that soon we will be celebrating the birthday of Osama Ben Ladden. I am grateful that I am old and will not have long to watch this country go further to pot.
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Herb Bacheller writes: "There once was a time when this country demanded respect for it's citizens."
Hell, Herb - you won't even respect our President for being a man who repects others, rather than a power-maddened cowboy who brought global ill-regard and disrespect upon our once great nation.
Yes - there were laws and regulations placed on the books during the Bush regime reeking of the lack of due process afforded 'suspected' terrorists. And the Supreme Court of the United States overturned those found to be 'Unconsitutional' - thus, Un-American on their face.
You want to be cut of the same cloth that bin Ladin and Saddam Hussein were?
Be my guest. But not in MY country.
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My dear friend, I don't agree with the actions that caused our president to be elected, but since he is the president, I wish he would exercise a different attitude. As to the terrorists, I do not want them in the United States, to be tried under the same rules that are used to judge our criminals. You say I have no respect for the present President? I disagree with him, or is that allowed? Not once did I show him disrespect. I believed last November that change was needed. I do not know what if any torture methods were used to interrogate those individuals, however when they killed innocent people, they gave up their right to be treated as criminals, and became war criminals. I suppose Hitler would be a close buddy for you wouldn't he? I guess we will disagree, however when a foreign citizen can throw shoes at our president and get away with it, and our present president is treated like crap, I think it is time for the United States to concern itself with our own problems and let the rest of the world take care of itself.
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Herb writes: " As to the terrorists, I do not want them in the United States, to be tried under the same rules that are used to judge our criminals."
Sorry, Herb, what you 'want' doesn't matter. What is 'Constitutional' does. And if you read a number of posts up you will see that I've referred to two recent Supreme Court Decisions which address the legal manner in which suspected terrorists must be dealt with by both out military and civilian legal systems.
That's American Jurisprudence - it's what sets us apart from the animals that attack us. - And Hitler, whom for some reason you mistakenly believe I have an affinity for.
By the way - that fellow who threw his shoes at Bush - he didn't get away with it as you claim. He was sentenced to prison by the Iraqi courts. That's where the crime occured - they have jurisdiction.
It would be good for you to pay a little more attention to what is really going on, and, perhaps, become more familiar with our law and how our Constitution has shaped it.
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