Rewarding the cheats

This is in response to the letter from Kira Hebert, "Good decisions equal no help," printed Feb. 17. I couldn't have said it any better. She really hit the nail on the head.

In today's society, everything bad seems to be acceptable. Lewiston and Maine have monetary programs that reward the cheats and the laziest of people who know the system. Such people come to Maine and to Lewiston to enjoy such benefits, paid for by our tax dollars.

Women who have never paid a penny into the system are having babies, some with different men. They are a good example of those who are being rewarded for their sins.

City and state officials say they want to save money. They could start by looking at the welfare system and ease out some of the cheats and liars. No one should be allowed to make a career of welfare. A cutoff date would eliminate such happenings.

I have two granddaughters in the same boat as Hebert — trying to better their future by attending the local community college, which limits them to a part-time job. They could use some help.

I don't hold my breath.

Perhaps someone will wake up and figure out that it would be cheaper to support people such as Hebert than those who could care less about themselves as long as the money keeps coming in.

Getting a little help might also convince those like Hebert to remain in Maine for their chosen careers.

Bert Godin, Lewiston

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Lil's picture
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Who's the lucky guy?

"Women who have never paid a penny into the system are having babies, some with different men." but most with one guy? Who's the guy?

Centarie2000's picture
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ooooooooh

ohhhhhh! bad joke!!! (if that was what it was because that was how i took it)

Robert F.'s picture

I agree but it does not

I agree but it does not matter whether it is one guy or different guys, where are they?  These aren't men, they are males and poor ones at that.  They need to be identified and made to support THEIR children that they bring into the world whether they want to support them or not.   There is nothing macho about abandoning one's own children and there  is no legitimate excuse to do so.

concerned KD's picture

All they have to do is sign

All they have to do is sign over parental rights and they dont have to pay child support..... Its that simple.... These guys dont care about the kids involved , to them its just another piece of a$$. Though I agree there is no excuse for abandoning your kids, these people make agreements to do this with the sole purpose of getting more money and they agree to sign over rights prior to conception. They do it like its buisiness deal and both parties do it willingly.. ITS SAD that these kids are nothing more than a commodity to these lowlife parents, just another way to burden the system and line their pockets. I spoke to one girl who has 3 kids from 3 different fathers and she roomates with a guy who has 3 kids of his own. They live together ,6 kids and 2 adults in one apartment, welfare benefits for all in the house and apparently they didnt have enough money so when she went to DHHS they told her that the only way to get more money was if she had another kid.. Guess what they did..... Big surprise, they had a kid together just for the money.. As she explained it " hey if thats the only way to get more money then oh well im already home all day with my kids whats one more. Its more money for me".  There needs to be a limits placed on these people that use kids as commodities for the almighty dollar. This should not be allowed to go on and especially DHHS should not be telling people to go out and create more state dependents just to  get more money.....

BenHarrison's picture

good lord tron I liked you

good lord tron I liked you better as Clifford Drake

 

thinkingman's picture

ben, tron is not clifford

ben, tron is not clifford drake, of that I can guarentee

Big Love's picture

No, he's not.  But he is just

No, he's not.  But he is just as stupid. 

Scotty_O's picture

A return?

I hope thinkingman is Trons long lost relative (brother in law I suspect, that has a daughter if I remember correctly) that has come back after a brief hiatus.   It was always fun to see you two in action, especially during the vote yes on 1 debate.  Classic material.  Man did you get him spooled up.

tron's picture

One in a Row Correct

Congratulations!!

Pirate's picture
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Way to go, T...you've managed

Way to go, T...you've managed to make yourself the topic of this forum. The parrot's been trying to do that for weeks, to the point of even trying to change his colors, and has failed miserably. You've managed to swing it with nothing more than a few frivolous, ill thought, whacks at your spastic key board. Well done.....WALK THE PLANK, T....you've earned it.

thinkingman's picture

tron, if one must prove their

tron, if one must prove their accusations, please read some of what you've posted in the past and never backed up....your pattern is to simply move on to new victims, new subjects when people ask you for proof of anything you spout....I'm tired of playing this game, its like trying to win an argument with someone who acts 5 years old. I liked you a lot more when we had rational intelligent discussions, but you seem to have forgotten those days most of the time and thats too bad because I still agree with some of your points.

Centarie2000's picture
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don't engage

 He has a right to say what he wants and take things in whatever contex he wants (usually incorrect). He's just looking for an argument, it doesn't matter what the subject or view point. And usually it doesn't get out of the name calling range. If you have an intellegent point make it, and just pass over the empty space.

tron's picture

Responsiblity

Bob, you're the one who's made this personal.  You've hurled accusations you cannot prove, attempting to belittle your opponent.  That is something I've never done.  Yes, while you were a councilor I did disagree with your positions and decisions, you were in the public domain, so that was fair game.  But I NEVER tried to insulted you personally.  Never tried to drag your family into the fray.  What's even more troubling is your apparent belief that a person's social status affects the validity of their arguments.  I'm believe you'd probably want to return to the days  when the only people who were allowed to vote owned land , and were allowed to own as many black people as they wanted.

dxs0ttq's picture

Tron I bet your nose just

Tron I bet your nose just grew by about 3 feet

thinkingman's picture

geez, I'd thinking calling

geez, I'd thinking calling your neice nothing more than a breeder would be dragging family into it, considering she is also your neice...and you started with the bs about my scouting issues long before I was even running for office...as to my thoughts on who can comment, it was my concern over your blatant lies, not your social class that was of a concern, thus my comments. Your social status was irrelevant, it was your integrity that i was questioning and still am. As you have seen fit to list who i am the entire worls should also know that as someone who has known you for almost 30 years and is related through marriage i do in fact have a great deal of details about what you do with your life and whether you work or not...and unlike you, I have NEVER lied about that issue!

jalbrecht1's picture
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Welfare

This letter isn't just petty and judgemental. It's wrong on every count.

People do not move to Maine to get welfare benefits. Maine's benefits are lower than the rest of the Northeast. In fact, 6 people on welfare in Maine move out of state for each person on welfare elsewhere moves in to Maine. Many of those moving to Maine has social security numbers issued in Maine. So they are returning home.

Having babies is a sin? Doubt it. Sorry I don't think the state should control a women's genitals.

So if Bert has no facts then I suggest he can not draw any conclusions. But he does. So this must be a lot like a temper tantrum. 

dxs0ttq's picture

Where did you get these

Where did you get these numbers from? If that's the case maybe we can try to get more welfare people up here, especially if we lose 5 every time 1 comes.

Pirate's picture
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"People do not move to Maine

"People do not move to Maine to get welfare benefits."    4000 immigrants might disagree with that.

northwoods's picture

Pirate in all fairness we

Pirate in all fairness we paid for them to come here so tech. we brought them here

Pirate's picture
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Agreed. I bow to my

Agreed. I bow to my distinguished colleague from the North

Centarie2000's picture
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bow

did the parrot bow too?

Pirate's picture
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He tried it, and hurt

He tried it, and hurt himself. Now walks around with a fake limp, looking for sympathy.

jojolou's picture

Welfare shouldn't be free

Very good letter, Bert.  Welfare is a way of life for many, the state and city make it too easy for them to get help. They should be put to work in schools, churches, public garages, food banks, etc.  Work for what they get.  It is a way of life for some people.   If you work, you can get some help but just don't sit on your a-- and do nothing.  How sad that people have no pride!!!!

SSDD's picture

Jealous much?

"I have two granddaughters in the same boat as Hebert — trying to better their future by attending the local community college, which limits them to a part-time job. They could use some help."

Translation - other people are getting help and my family isn't so I'll take to the paper to whine.

xyz's picture

Pretty petty and judgemental

Pretty petty and judgemental letter I will state again that help is available in the form of grants and scholarships but YOU have to do something to get it it is not like they will come to you and shove it down your throat. Some people just love to complain and don't do anything to help themselves. Poor Poor Bert waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Centarie2000's picture
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unlike welfare where you

unlike welfare where you don't have to work or do anything but have babies. 

tron's picture

Change of attitude

Well, Bert, where are you?  Your granddaughters should be getting help from family, because that's the way it is suppose to be.  But you want the state to help them, and take from people who have NO familial support.  So keep complaining about people who's circumstances you know absolutely nothing about, and let your granddaughters out to dry.

Centarie2000's picture
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actually at one time it was

actually at one time it was the family's responsibility to care for their sick, elderly, and children.  BTW: if you actually look at the statistics, you'll note that most college grads. have to work 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs in order to pay off loans because the "higher paying jobs they get after graduation" just aren't there. ask a single welfare mom to get a job and you'll get berated for insensitivity even though they can get free childcare. granted, if they work, it effects how much childcare assistance they get. the fewer hours working equils more free childcare. i work with several who have had to make some tough choices about losing childcare assistance ($100 per week per child) or cuts in food stamps because they earned $40 too much (at dunkin donuts) the month before. i think that not helping working single moms is a bigger crime. at least they are trying. baby popping welfare dependent just aren't trying. 

concerned KD's picture

Tron, People with no familial

Tron, People with no familial support as you reference to in the above comment already have the upper hand here. As you stated "But you want the state to help them, and take from people who have NO familial support. This comment would lead readers to belive that those being taken from are already on the welfare ticket.. You just made the point of the original letter in that statement. The current system IS set up for those who do nothing to reap the highest benefit. And those who WORK to better themselves get next to nothing....The authors situation is more and more common... 

 

P.S.  your welcome for the section 8 and the food stamps....

 

tron's picture

Proof

Appears you and Bob are running some campaign to accuse me of things without proof.  So be it, however another thing needs correcting, it is not people who DO nothing, it is people who HAVE nothing.  I know of very few people collecting any type of assistance who do nothing, except for perhaps some older Americans, who have earned that right.  Is there some fraud involved?  Probably, but to paint everyone who is on some form of assistance with the same color as a few recipients, that's jealousy.  That is what the writer is truly complaining about, that others get state help but his granddaughter can't, when they probably don't need it.  They have family, among other resources.  If we started helping out those people, you all would definitely be up in arms.

Pirate's picture
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"Probably, but to paint

"Probably, but to paint everyone who is on some form of assistance with the same color as a few recipients....."

Doesn't Tron paint all conservatives and republicans with the same broad brush day in and day out? You sling it, but you don't want to be the recipient of any? Have I got it right, T?

northwoods's picture

I think you hit the nail on

I think you hit the nail on the head

Centarie2000's picture
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dishes

if you get a job washing dishes and cleaning toilets, you'll HAVE next to nothing. you may not be able to go to a party and your feet and ego may ache, but at least you'll have earned something. everyone needs to start somewhere. welfare is a starting point, not a way of life.

concerned KD's picture

No campaign against you here,

No campaign against you here, just tired of your ignorant comments being thrown around out here like it is scripture. You are not the all knowing as you appear to present yourself here . Your comments appear to imply that you have more knowledge than the average person on ALL topics and it gets old , sorry to inform you but it is not just those who have nothing reaping the welfare benefit. It IS greatly abused by those who refuse to do for themselves.. It is a sense of entitlement that people have that is bankrupting this country. I personally have had conversations with perfectly able bodied individuals who are deliberately sabotaging job interviews, lying to therapists and doctors, and they openly admit to doing these things so they dont have to get a job... ...( As it was stated to me "Why go get a job when all I have to do is pretend to be stupid and get a check everymonth, Then I can sit home and get paid to play playstation.HAHAHA)..... These things are the example of how all tax payers are being taken advantage of and the system is so dysfunctional that it cannot keep up with the fraud.....This fraud leads to policy that exempts hard working young people such as this gentlemans grandchildren from being elligable for assistance while they go to school and better themselves . If the system tells you that the only way to get help is to get pregnant there is a fundamental problem at hand....... It appears to me that you haveNOT gone out to talk to people and see for yourself what the real problems are , however you are quick to chime in and tell all what your oppinion is on everything like you know something about it . Unfortunately you dont know as much as you think you do and it is obvious to those of us who interact with the public on a daily basis and have daily conversations with those who think they are entitled to our tax dollars and then read your rants.........  As for the writer being jealous, I dissagree i dont see jealousy, I see a level of unfairness in the system that is stopping those who are willing to help themselves from accomplishing their goals yet hands out the checks to those who have never lifted a finger to help themselves and it is frustrating.. I see it everyday!!

As far as accusations go: you have stated on this blog in the past that you recieve assistance for one reason or another . I believe it wasa disability but I may be mistaken. However you put yourself out here so dont get upset when people call you out .......

Pirate's picture
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BINGO!!!          AARRGHH!!!

BINGO!!!          AARRGHH!!!

Big Love's picture

You tell him, KD!

You tell him, KD!

thinkingman's picture

tron, if you weren't so busy

tron, if you weren't so busy collecting food tamps, Section 8 rental assistance and disability checks you'd understand the problem, but your part of the problem, not part of the solution.

preaves's picture
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Admin warning

Please keep the conversation civil.

tron's picture

LIAR

You're a liar.  Prove your accusations or shut up!

Pirate's picture
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Guess Tron won't be taking

Guess Tron won't be taking Thinkingman to lunch at Gipper's today.

Pirate's picture
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When a person resorts to name

When a person resorts to name calling, it is a sign that they no longer have anything relevant or intelligent to contribute to the conversation.

thinkingman's picture

wow, nothing new to add to

wow, nothing new to add to the discussion so instead you repeatedly call me a liar, when in fact you know I am correct. You could easily prove me wrong with a car registration, property tax bill or W-2 in your name, but as you haven't seen any of those in 30 years you simply say I'm a liar. perhaps i should ask Michelle and Jim to weigh in on this one, as they are more truthful than yourself.

Centarie2000's picture
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relevance

how is any of this relevant to the debate? this is how he gets attention for himself and takes it away from the conversation at hand. don't give in! fight the urge! stay on topic!

veritas's picture
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And we should give credence

And we should give credence to some idiot who registers here as "Gizmo Gadget?"

Now there's an exercise in insanity.

'Cop Rule #1' - Never try to reason with Drunks or Crazy People......

 

Centarie2000's picture
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i just found out that veritas

i just found out that veritas is the name of the roman diety for truth, and is where we get the term vertue from. just thought that it was interesting what i didn't know i didn't know. i just thought it was your last name or something.

veritas's picture
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Allisa; Having been around

Allisa;

Having been around the block a few times, a salty old grey-beard with little to lose - I'm not shy about the truth.  Hence my screen-name.

But don't you find it odd that as a 'Conservative' you weren't familiar with the word 'Veritas'......... 

 

Pirate's picture
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Maybe she's not a wine

Maybe she's not a wine drinker?  You know, the old "En Vino, Veritas" thing?

Lil's picture
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He's jealous!

The Gizmo Gadget gets more time with his significant other than he does.

Centarie2000's picture
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now, lil

whats on your mind tonight?

tron's picture

Especially

Especially when the same idiot use to rant and rave against people who posted anonymously.  Can we all spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E

dxs0ttq's picture

In your post above Tron you

In your post above Tron you said you don't call people names... I guess you know how to spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E

dxs0ttq's picture

I meant insult

I meant insult

Pirate's picture
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Grate jib an thu spilling,

Grate jib an thu spilling, T...

tron's picture

Go for it BOB

You still want ME to prove your accusations wrong, I want you to prove them right.  Since your making the accusations it is incumbent on YOU to prove them.  Can't do it, can you because you know they're lies!! 

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