U.S. Reps. Mike Michaud and Chellie Pingree, both Democrats, cast votes in favor of the sweeping health care reform legislation that was brought up in the U.S. House of Representatives Sunday night.
Pingree, who represents Maine's more liberal 1st congressional district, urged her colleagues to support the reform measure during floor debate leading up to the vote.
“This is the best chance we have had in a generation to truly reform our broken health care system,” she said.
Michaud, who represents Maine's more conservative 2nd congressional district, remained officially 'undecided' until Sunday evening, when his office sent out a release announcing his position.
“The final bill is a vast improvement to the status quo of skyrocketing premiums that millions of families and small businesses currently face,” he said in the statement. “While the package that we will vote on tonight is not a cure for every problem plaguing our health care system, it is a huge step in the right direction that we can build on.”
Both members highlighted the importance of key health insurance reforms included in the bill, such as ending the practice of denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions and dropping patients when they become sick.
The legislation is expected to reduce the deficit by $143 billion over the next ten years, with $1.2 trillion in additional deficit reduction in the following 10 years, Michaud said.
According to his statement, Michaud was reluctant to commit his vote to the measure until the details of how it and additional bills containing technical fixes would impact Maine were made clear.
“I am particularly pleased with the steps that the legislation takes to help small businesses gain access to affordable health care coverage,” said Michaud in the release. “Starting in 2014, small business employees will have access to a health insurance exchange where they will have the group purchasing power of a big business or union to get lower prices and better quality coverage. Starting immediately, small employers will be eligible to receive a tax credit for up to 35 percent of employee premiums. And businesses with 50 or fewer employees, which are about 97 percent of businesses in Maine, will be exempt from any employer mandates contained in the bill.”
Michaud complimented Maine Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe for her work on behalf of small businesses and for successfully crafting many of the small business provisions included in the legislation.
Both Pingree and Michaud also said they were happy with the impact the reform package would have on the Medicare prescription drug plan “doughnut hole,” which has been costly to many of Maine's seniors.
“Each year, 16,800 Medicare beneficiaries in Maine enter the Part D doughnut hole and are forced to pay the full cost of their prescription drugs; under the bill, these beneficiaries will receive a $250 rebate in 2010, 50% discounts on brand name drugs beginning in 2011, and complete closure of the doughnut hole within a decade,” he said.
The legislation passed by the House on Sunday was already passed in the U.S. Senate in a vote taken just before Christmas, though Maine's two senators voted against it.
Congress clears historic health care bill
DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
WASHINGTON (AP) — Summoned to success by President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled Congress approved historic legislation Sunday night extending health care to tens of millions of uninsured Americans and cracking down on insurance company abuses, a climactic chapter in the century-long quest for near universal coverage.
"This is what change looks like," Obama said a few moments later in televised remarks that stirred memories of his 2008 campaign promise of "change we can believe in."
Widely viewed as dead two months ago, the Senate-passed bill cleared the House on a 219-212 vote. Republicans were unanimous in opposition, joined by 34 dissident Democrats.
A second, smaller measure — making changes in the first — cleared the House shortly before midnight and was sent to the Senate, where Democratic leaders said they had the votes necessary to pass it quickly. The vote was 220-211.
Far beyond the political ramifications — a concern the president repeatedly insisted he paid no mind — were the sweeping changes the bill held in store for nearly every American, insured or not, as well as the insurance industry and health care providers that face either smaller than anticipated payments from Medicare or higher taxes.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the legislation awaiting the president's approval would extend coverage to 32 million Americans who lack it, ban insurers from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions and cut deficits by an estimated $138 billion over a decade. If realized, the expansion of coverage would include 95 percent of all eligible individuals under age 65.
For the first time, most Americans would be required to purchase insurance, and face penalties if they refused. Much of the money in the bill would be devoted to subsidies to help families at incomes of up to $88,000 a year pay their premiums.
For the president, the events capped an 18-day stretch in which he traveled to four states and lobbied more than 60 wavering lawmakers in person or by phone to secure passage of his signature domestic issue. According to some who met with him, he warned that the bill's demise could cripple his still-young presidency, and his aides hoped to use the victory on health care as a springboard to success on bills to tackle stubbornly high unemployment that threatens Democratic prospects in the fall.
Obama watched the vote in the White House's Roosevelt Room with Vice President Joe Biden and dozens of aides, exchanged high fives with Rahm Emanuel, his chief of staff, and then telephoned Speaker Nancy Pelosi with congratulations.
"We proved that we are still a people capable of doing big things," he said later in the White House East Room. "We proved that this government — a government of the people and by the people — still works for the people.
Crowds of protesters outside the Capitol shouted "just vote no" in a futile attempt to stop the inevitable taking place inside a House packed with lawmakers and ringed with spectators in the galleries above.
Across hours of debate, House Democrats predicted the larger of the two bills, costing $940 billion over a decade, would rank with other great social legislation of recent decades.
"We will be joining those who established Social Security, Medicare and now, tonight, health care for all Americans, said Speaker Nancy Pelosi, partner to Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., in the grueling campaign to pass the legislation.
"This is the civil rights act of the 21st century," added Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the top-ranking black member of the House.
Republicans readily agreed the bill would affect everyone in America, but warned repeatedly of the burden imposed by more than $900 billion in tax increases and Medicare cuts combined.
"We have failed to listen to America," said Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, leader of a party that has vowed to carry the fight into the fall's midterm elections for control of Congress.
The final obstacle to the bill's passage was cleared at mid-afternoon when Obama and Democratic leaders reached a compromise with anti-abortion lawmakers whose rebellion had left the outcome in doubt. The White House announced he would issue an executive order pledging that no federal funds would be used for elective abortion, satisfying Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan and a handful of like-minded lawmakers.
A spokesman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops expressed skepticism that the presidential order would satisfy the church's objections.
Republican abortion foes also said Obama's proposed order was insufficient, and when Stupak sought to counter them, a shout of "baby killer" could be heard coming from the Republican side of the chamber.
The measure would also usher in a significant expansion of Medicaid, the federal-state health care program for the poor. Coverage would be required for incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level, $29,327 a year for a family of four. Childless adults would be covered for the first time, starting in 2014.
The insurance industry, which spent millions on advertising trying to block the bill, would come under new federal regulation. They would be forbidden from placing lifetime dollar limits on policies, from denying coverage to children because of pre-existing conditions and from canceling policies when a policyholder becomes ill.
Parents would be able to keep children up to age 26 on their family insurance plans, three years longer than is now the case.
A new high-risk pool would offer coverage to uninsured people with medical problems until 2014, when the coverage expansion would go into high gear.
For the president, the events capped an 18-day stretch in which he traveled to four states and lobbied more than 60 wavering lawmakers in person or by phone to secure passage of his signature domestic issue. According to some who met with him, he warned that the bill's demise could cripple his still-young presidency.
After more than a year of political combat, Democrats piled superlative upon superlative across several hours of House debate.
Rep. Louise Slaughter of New York read a message President Franklin Roosevelt sent Congress in 1939 urging lawmakers to address the needs of those without health care, and said Democrat Harry Truman and Republican Richard Nixon had also sought to broaden insurance coverage.
Republicans attacked the bill without let-up, warning it would harm the economy while mandating a government takeover of the health care system.
"The American people know you can't reduce health care costs by spending $1 trillion or raising taxes by more than one-half trillion dollars. The American people know that you cannot cut Medicare by over one-half trillion dollars without hurting seniors," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich.
"And, the American people know that you can't create an entirely new government entitlement program without exploding spending and the deficit."
Obama has said often that presidents of both parties have tried without success to achieve national health insurance, beginning with Theodore Roosevelt early in the 20th century.
The 44th president's quest to succeed where others have failed seemed at a dead end two months ago, when Republicans won a special election for a Massachusetts Senate seat, and with it, the votes to prevent a final vote.
But the White House, Pelosi and Reid soon came up with a rescue plan that required the House to approve the Senate-passed measure despite opposition to many of its provisions, then have both houses pass a fix-it measure incorporating numerous changes.
To pay for the changes, the legislation includes more than $400 billion in higher taxes over a decade, roughly half of it from a new Medicare payroll tax on individuals with incomes over $200,000 and couples over $250,000. A new excise tax on high-cost insurance policies was significantly scaled back in deference to complaints from organized labor.
In addition, the bills cut more than $500 billion from planned payments to hospitals, nursing homes, hospices and other providers that treat Medicare patients. An estimated $200 billion would reduce planned subsidies to insurance companies that offer a private alternative to traditional Medicare.
The insurance industry warned that seniors would face sharply higher premiums as a result, and the Congressional Budget Office said many would return to traditional Medicare as a result.
The subsidies are higher than those for seniors on traditional Medicare, a difference that critics complain is wasteful, but insurance industry officials argue goes into expanded benefits.




Health Care Reform Bill
The republicans throughout this nation should thanks the test party and it’s tremendous showing on the health care reform bill and that they did a implausible job. Perhaps, David Frum realized the lack of a Republican health care choice – but also the limitations and shortcomings (as there are quite a few) within the new health care bill, and though it's aims are laudable, it won't achieve the level of health care reform that could be better accomplished by other means. This is only going to mean we're getting more pay day loans from either the people (via taxes) or foreign banks to give to insurance executives because people have to buy insurance now, and only a lot of people can get subsidized care. UPS and FedEx do better than USPS for a reason.
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The latest CNN poll has Obama with more people disapproving of his job performance than approving of him. Now how low can we get that approval number and how high can we get that disapproval number.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/22/rel5b.pdf
tron, the C in CNN is not for Conservative.
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Still pratically 50/50% with the 3% margin of error.
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that's true so it could even be as good as 54% disapprove and 43%. thanks making it sound even better.
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http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2010/03/celebrating-passage-of-flawed-but.html
Celebrating the Passage of a Flawed But Necessary Bill, Part 1: Taunting:
So, c'mon, Tea Party fuckers, where's your war? Are you waiting for marching orders from Glenn Beck? Didn't Nancy Pelosi just deliver 'em to you with a couple of votes to spare? The Senate bill's been passed. Health care reform is the law of the land. The Senate's just adding a few geegaws and excising a few lumps. Bring this shit on, you teabaggers with your mouths so full of Rush Limbaugh's saggy, useless balls and eyes so blinded by the reflection of klieg lights off Sarah Palin's glaring glasses and ears too numb by the subhuman grunting that goes on around you at your despicable rallies of hatred that you've become deaf, dumb, and blind to the reality of your own lives.
Instead, we're gonna see the actions of a bunch of cowardly cunts, led by men like the Foghorn Leghorn-sounding cocksucker who called Bart Stupak "baby killer" for voting for the bill (when Stupak ought to be more correctly called, "woman-hater") and won't even man up to admit that he did it. Or the craven vandals who threw bricks through the windows of Representative Louise Slaughter's Niagara Falls office and Democratic Party headquarters in Rochester, NY.
Or, even worse, the knuckle-dragging yahoos who got their rocks off by calling John Lewis "nigger" and Barney Frank "faggot" in halls of congressional offices. Yeah, the Rude Pundit bets that nigger guy and faggot guy saw each other across the lobby from each other and abandoned their "Kill the Bill" signs to rush into a janitor's closet, with faggot guy bending over a shelf and dropping his pants, telling nigger guy, "Fuck me, man, it won't make you a faggot." And nigger guy, resting his Coors beer gut against faggot guy's coccyx, started fucking away, his sweaty, hairy stomach rubbing, so big that he couldn't even lean in to give faggot guy a decent reacharound. No, of course, when you're balls deep in the ass of a fellow imbecile, it's hard to think about going off to fight the new Civil War.
So, c'mon, you town hall patriots, where's the guns your signs promised? What are you waiting for? Or is it that your cause is lost? Is it that it's time for you to get the fuck home and go work your shitty paying jobs while you still have them? Is it that it was just talk and a good picket sign all along and you're all just frightened, cornered, irrelevant cogs in a machine that was slick with the rancid grease of manipulation?
And, while desperate tools like John McCain pledge to repeal the bill, while court challenges await as Virginia questions why its college graduates ought to be under their parents' health insurance or Florida decides that its senior citizens should still have a donut hole in their prescription drug plane or Utah can't understand why insurers should have to cover its children with pre-existing conditions or Oklahoma thinks that insurance companies should be able to drop coverage for its sick citizens, while the Republican party wrecks itself over its failure to rein in those who threaten violence and insanity, we can say we defeated mob rule and our own despair. And, for a moment, we can crack open a beer to celebrate before we work to make the damn thing better.
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Oh yes, this wont get modded into oblivion. It is currently 1 pm. I wonder how long it takes?
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and Bob Hebert of the NYT nails it:
For decades the G.O.P. has been the party of fear, ignorance and divisiveness. All you have to do is look around to see what it has done to the country. The greatest economic inequality since the Gilded Age was followed by a near-total collapse of the overall economy. As a country, we have a monumental mess on our hands and still the Republicans have nothing to offer in the way of a remedy except more tax cuts for the rich.
This is the party of trickle down and weapons of mass destruction, the party of birthers and death-panel lunatics. This is the party that genuflects at the altar of right-wing talk radio, with its insane, nauseating, nonstop commitment to hatred and bigotry.
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no longer a democracy..... and too big for a national referendum....can you say Socialist States of America
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Because you don't even know what socialism is!
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Yes, we all get it, it's the end of the world. Everything is doomed.
Just realize that such prognostications marginalize yourself as most people see them as overreactions.
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It appears that Congress has saved us from bankruptcy once again! With the pool of fines and charging those that do not have insurance, having the IRS liquidate assets of the poor or those already overburdened, we should have enough public funds to borrow against. Just like Social Security. Even though the IRS may not take your home for failing to buy insurance, or refusing to pay the "penalty", it should look good on paper....all these potential assets that I am sure somebody will loan the govt. more money to spend. lol
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It appears that Congress has saved us from bankruptcy once again! With the pool of fines and charging those that do not have insurance, having the IRS liquidate assets of the poor or those already overburdened, we should have enough public funds to borrow against. Just like Social Security. Even though the IRS may not take your home for failing to buy insurance, or refusing to pay the "penalty", it should look good on paper....all these potential assets that I am sure somebody will loan the govt. more money to spend. lol
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With the approval of Obamacare on March 22, 2010, students preparing for careers in all areas of medical service and professions from administrators to nurses, physical therapists to physicians find themselves not only preparing for final exams, arranging summer internships and externships and choosing courses for next fall, many are burdened with making the heart wrenching decision of giving up their life long dream career. Many medical professionals have been forced to refuse insurance and operate cash only practices to survive. Students in medical schools today see what the trend, how recent graduates have been forced to conduct business and are now faced with the potential of earning less than $40,000 a year to support there families making them elligble for food stamps and unable to repay massive colleg debts. America already has a shortage of physical therapists, nusrses, geriatric physicians and family practice/primary care physicians which is expected to worsen with current enrollments. A large scale exodus of students from US medical schools would be devistating to the availability of medical care with or without insurance, it wont matter should there be no providers
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...and then these families will be forced into prostitution to make ends meet. And then one day at the free clinic put on by the new Chinese Federal Government will they hear the devestating news. You have AIDS. Oh, the path of ruin and woe that has befallen these prospective health care workers. If only their guns hadn't been melted down to make needles for dope fiends they could chose the easy way out and end the suffering. Not even the free porn broadcast over PBS could cheer them up.
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Cablegirl,
Republicans are sheep. Anyone who is so out-to-lunch to think that siding with Republicans who want NO REFORM, just 40% increases each year on health insurance rates, is just so far down the rabbit hole as to be living in their own fantasy world.
That's you ALICE!
RepubliCON: We Offer Nothing! Ever!
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Voisine, please desciribe the years in which you saw 40% increases in health insurance - I could agree had you said 15-20% at times, but 40% each year is grossly exaggerating the truth.
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RepubliCONS have divided this country as never before. Just the fact that not a single Republican voted for a bill in which there were many ideas that Republicans themselves have previously supported, ought to be the evidence that anyone needs to see that the RepubliCON party is completely unconcerned with serving the American people.
Snowe and Collins are bought and paid for by wealthy interests. Intelligent Mainers will remember what they did next election.
Republican: We fail always!
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The House passed the health care bill and to my surprise the world did NOT end!!! Amazing... Note to Republicans: your party is being destroyed by your right wing extremists, who will say anything to try to sway public opinion. Turn off Fox "News" and gain back control of your party.
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Scottie, stay on Fox news to get a more balanced news scorce than a "thrill running up my leg" MSNBC and the same old Clinton News Network or MPBN. Chris Mathews from the Carter administration, Keith Obermann from ESPN and Rachel Maddow from the hamptons, her daddy real rich you know. great base to get informed?
usually those who say got off fox news don't watch for news.
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I don't know...I'm kind of liking MSNBC today. Their opinion poll show Excited for the plan: 26.1 %, I'm not sure 6.4 %, other .9 %, and of course angry 66.7%, up almost 8 points from when I posted earlier this morning. Total votes were almost at 580,000. It surely can't be Fox news viewers voting since they are always being criticized for being mind-numb robots that don't have an open mind to other news sources.
BREAKING NEWS: Fox poll of almost 356,000, 60% not in favor, 35% in favor, 4 % unsure, 1% other.....fair and balanced my A$$!
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republicans dont mind sending sons and daughters to war but hate to help with health care should they get wounded .What a bunch of cry babies
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I reread my "rantings" bob. My one track is I disagree with paying taxes for a program for ten years that only provide benefits for six years. If my employer decides to stop providing health care coverage and ops to pay the government imposed fine instead which they have an absolute right to do. I cannot CHOOSE to go without health care coverage and pay out of pocket, correction I can choose to do that, however, I will pay a fine for that option. Also, my wife has a student loan balance which is now paid to the loan management company which will be assumed by the government so the interest of that loan can be used to pay for the pay for 10 years of payments and bennies for 6, health care program. 85% of the people in our country have coverage that most are satisfied with. we are going to spend 1 trillion to insure 10% of the remaining 15% because the remaining 5% of those people in the country are here illegally. and don't qualify, yet. Just a heads up, George Bush is NOT the president. This whole thing is NOT about health care, it is about government!
We are in crisis! Starting now, in four years, we are going to change this thing and get it right, for the next six. Come on, that just doesn't pass the smell test! Comments have been made about Social Security, medicare and medicaid and republicans. Those efforts, although i agree, most of the concerns against were from the republican side although they were passed through with bipartisan vote. I also agree that the republicans were extremely unified in their opposition to this bill. The president, speaker of the house and senate majority leader did not spend the last 12+ months trying to convince republicans to join them they were pursuing and convincing democrats. any way I slice it, this is not good.
say what you will about George W Bush, who is still not the president.
Barack H. Obama has divided this country like never before, racially and economically, of that you cannot deny!
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Of course because white people are pissed that a black man is president who is smarter than 99% of them. Of course they are pissed, but they need to look at their own biases and hatred to resolve the division in the country. Obama won the election with 53% of the vote which was 11% more than when Bill Clinton was first elected and you call him divisive? Please.
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Obama is not black. Obama is not African American. His father was black African and not a U S Citizen. Obama's mother was a caucasian American. The combination of his mother's and father's races makes him mulatto. The combination of his parents nationality and the question as to where he was born leave his citizenship up for grabs. Forget the black race card, it does not work when the man is not balck.
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People of mixed ancestry can be considered black. My father was an indigenous Australian and my mother was from Poland, but I a, still considered aboriginal.
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You got me pegged. I can't disagree with presidential policy on the basis of, I THINK differently about the issue. No I disagree with the policy because, I am a racist! You WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I voted for Clinton the first time, not the second. If I recall the margin was so low in that election there were three candidates. this bill passed by a margin of 3 votes for passage and 7 overall. This is not about health care this is about government, period!
It did not, nor does it now, matter what the general population of this country thinks of the health care bill. The President stated he didn't even know what was in this bill or what the policies and procedures going on on capitol hill only that this needed to be passed. HIS agenda above all else. Not governing, dictating. after more than a year of trying to convince DEM's to get on board. it went right to the 23rd hour of, more than the usual crap that goes on when bills are controversial, you cannot say that that is good government no matter what your affiliation? if you can i hope it is tongue in cheek. He absolutely divides us as a country. If you disagree with the president your a racist? No one of a different color can run against him can they. if they do they're a racist, correct. women cannot oppose him, they are sexist correct. your comments prove that out.
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"The President stated he didn't even know what was in this bill or what the policies and procedures going on on capitol hill only that this needed to be passed."
Need a reference for that.
You may not be a racist and oppose Obama strictly on policy terms which what democracy is all about and is completely welcome. But the vast majority, if not all, of the Tea Baggers are racists and they are the face of the Republican Party. Do a google image search for tea bagger protests and you'll find numerous examples of blatant racism and hatred on the part of Republicans.
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The quote was stated in a interview with the president last week.
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Did you ever stop to think that some Republicans might be opposed to Obama for his ideas and not the color of his skin.
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Oops!! Answered my own question, nope you couldn't have done that, that would take the ablity to think independently and we all know that you can only copy and paste. My bad.
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This is what it will sound like in 2020, "Remember when unemployment was only 10% and interest rates were just in the high teens and inflation was 6 to 7 percent. Damn, we had it good. Now unemployment is around 15%, interest rates are low, but we can't afford because we are paying 75% in taxes. Damn, I long for the day of Jimmy Carter. Who the hell got us in this mess" And someone will say, it was those three idiots, Obama, Reid and Pelosi."
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I am here to help:
This is what it will sound like in 2020, "Remember when unemployment was 10% in 2009/2010 because of failed Republican economic policy, but thanks to government stimulus and infrastructure projects it is now at 2%? Interest rates held steady at 5% as the Fed reined in speculation on Wall Street which in turn kept inflation at 4%. Damn, we had it good then and now it's better! Now unemployment is at historic lows, interest rates are stable and we can afford medical coverage for the first time in a generation . Who the hell got us in this mess in the 2000s? And someone will say, it was those four idiots Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Greenspan.
Thank god Obama was elected president and people with common sense retook Congress from the Mayberry Machiavellis!
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I love comments like this. It pure hysteria.
I bet that in 2020, you'll have to be in a Gay marriage to get into office, unless you marry your dog, which will make you president. And since the Chinese will be in charge, forks will be made illegal. Everyone will have to use chopsticks. They shoot you if your caught with a spork. Let see, oh, Taxes will be 110%, because they will tax next years earnings this year. Oh, and since Barak Obama will be our new emperor, ever emperor after him has the title "Obama". I can't wait for Obama Nero!
Did I miss anything?
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B.H. Obama will be president of the world for his entire lifetime! succeeded by Sasha. Come on, catch up!
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Ok, but President sounds too democratic. How about General Secretary of the Central Committee.
Oh, and everyone's guns will be taken away and melted down into hypodemic needles for drug users.
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I am in sales. everyone in this country is "required" to buy my product. Ya that sucks! Count me out!
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So much for Michaud being a Blue Dog; his true color showed up here. Now, lets pay taxes etc. for 4 years and see how this bill really helps us.
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I can see it now, 10 years will pass and all those of us who said this will be bad for our country will be proven right and some how tron, lil and the alphabet posters will find some way to blame the failings of this bill on the Republicans and on Bush.
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Obama is right! The framers got it wrong. The constitution does not provide opportunities for all Americans to prosper equally! GW Bush should have written it into the constitution during the continental congress that all Americans receive equal pay and benefits, period. We ALL understand the reason all Americans do not already have government provided home, health care, automobile, free college education etc. is because Dick Cheney and George W. Bush are idiots!
The government will now be controlling all student loans. More private sector jobs lost. The jobs numbers being forecast are accurate. that is the estimated number of Government jobs needed to run this massive entitlement program.
We do realize that government provided healthcare is ultimatly paid for by the voting public? along with GM and TARP and the anti-Stimulus. I forgot this ALL NEEDED to be done, not that I want to run a car company or be a banker.
Be in reality the more the government controls and provides the more they can take away.
I love grilled cheese, however, i do not want to be told how and when to eat it. If i choose not to eat grilled cheese i will HAVE TO pay a fine. NICE!
WHACK! thank you sir my i have another!!!
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You sound like any Republican after Social Security passed, and after Medicare and Medicaid passed. All three programs have been with us at least 40 years because they work. Sure they need tweaks, just like Republicans need their medications tweaked when they get their asses handed to them on a platter by Democrats, but that is to be expected. WATB was the catchphrase when Newt "I cheated on my wife while she was dying of cancer" Gingrich was head of the House in early 90's. Stands for Whiny Ass Titty Babies. But now instead of just Newt, it's your whole fail of a party. WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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to defend your point, you cite two failures. you argue like tron.
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Top 3 things Americans could have done to control the Health Care system, and reduce the cost of Health insurance:
If Americans were willing to take responsibility for their own actions, the strain on our Health Care systems would be so greatly reduced, insurance rates would go DOWN and the quality of treatment would increase…and we wouldn't need the Government controlling EVERYTHING.
But naw, screw it. My healthy neighbor drives a Benz, I’m sure he can afford to pick up my tab. Got a light?
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They may take our land, but they can never take our EGG MCMUFFIN!
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i feel the negative comments regarding the Tea Party Movement are ignorant. The people involved in this are Americans dissatisfied with both democrat and republican "politicians" and how their voice is being ignored by the fat cats in Washington D.C. who's salaries are very high and have been there far to long. They feel things need to change from the status quo. WOW! who doe that last part sound like. Health care talking points anyone?
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Print this page out for elections in November!
Here's who we need to vote out.
This is the list of Americans that HATE AMERICA, The Constitution, and Freedom!
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll165.xml
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All you need to do to figure out who hates America is identify Republicans and Tea Baggers. You can be a good American or a Republican, but not both. Hence the a$$ whooping Rethugs received in 2006, 2008, and now will get again in 2010.
BTW - Do you even know what is in the Constitution? And how does providing equitable healthcare to the citizenry of the country harm your freedom?
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susan which list are you refering to? the ayes and the noes? if you mean democrats, there are dem's on both lists? I don't think democrats who voted for this health care bill hate america. I think they voted party over everything else. especially here in maine where 4 out of 5 people are opposed to this particular bill and our representatives voted with party over the people. If you dissagree with it find an alternative in your congressional district take up the fight to help somone defeat Mrs. Pingree and Mr. Michaud be there in November.
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4 out of 5 oppose the bill?
Where did you get that figure?
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pulled it out her a$$ as usual.
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as they go along. Or else they use FOX News ? Rumpelstiltskin poll number which isn't worth the cost of this message.
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tron the same web number that you find all the "facts" you pass along
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one, the insurance company ceo's were in the negotiations for this bill, not republicans. remember now everyone is "required" to purchase health insurance, quite the windfall for those greedy insurance companies. two, pre-exsisting conditions and insurance. like the automobile required insurance. if your driving record is bad you pay higher premiums or are denied altogether. in relationship to this great health care plan. if you have seven OUI's you "must" have insurance but you can still drive. most important point of all, the government cannot mandate you purchase a product of any kind. sadly for me there was many references to individuals who lost health insurance due to job loss or catastrophic conditions by democrats but not one person from any political stance mentioned loss of life by chooseing abortion. apparently that is not considered a loss or a life.
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Well, I would guess if you lost your job your income level would drop to the level where medicaid kicks in.
Either way, maditory insure is important, because as it stands(Obama hasn't signed it into law yet) these costs are indirectly dropped on us due to the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 making it required that hospitals treat everyone without addressing how to pay for it.
Thanks for that Reagan, btw.
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I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I have heard all sorts of nonsense, like We're now in the United States of Soviet Union. I understand emotions are running high, but only because your letting the talking heads on the Newsitainment get you into a uproar.
Relax.
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With so many teabagger heads exploding it kinda sounds like popcorn.
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SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Please keep the conversation civil.
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Thats my bad, I kinda egged him on.
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ARE YOU HITTING ON ME?!?
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You know what taste good in my coffee?
The sweet sweet tears of republicans. MMMMMmmmmmmmmm
Tastes like victory.
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You are a Obama lovin joke that just can't wait for this country to go down te crapper.... Loser
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Speaking of Obama loving jokes, heres one I love:
One day, Donald Rumsfeld is giving President Bush his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."
"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"
His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.
Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"
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Hey taylor no they wont be buyng their own they get the 100% plan for the rest of their miserble lives with pay of course... I am shocked to see someone for this bill are you blind. I was talking to a insurance salesman the other day who stated that if tis passes 3million independent insurance agents in the US will be without jobs what the hell, whats 3 million more on unempoyment right....
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This is my first post I can not beliee the nerve of those two saying they speak for Maine. Couple of losers do you notice that they do not have to have the same plan. They get a 100% plan for them and their famies for life with pay of course... This contry used to be superpower thanks to Obama and cronies like these two we are now a big joke read other coutries news papers if you don't beleve me. If I wanted socialism I would live in a diffrent counry now I don't have too. But I am soon moving out of this state and thank GodI dont have to come back. Watch out folks communism is next I am not joking. Obama did keep his promise though there is change he did not say it would be for the better. Washington home of crooks and liars... All I can say is God help us all because the goverment won't help us ust themslves... You want to bet this post gets pulled
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Polls from Wgme, Portland Press Herald, and Bangor Daily News showed over 77% of the people of Maine who responded to the poll objected to this bill and wanted Congress to start over. How much mor decisive, how much clearer does it ge than 77% say start over, that is more than 3 out of 4 people. I certainly hope this wanten disregard for the will of their constituents is forfront on the voters mind when these two come up for re-election. These two give new meaning to BIG BROTHER.
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They did what was right and unfortuneately they have to deal with a public like you who is too dense to see the need for this legislation. Google is your friend. Click that link for 938,000 pages of health insurance horror stories.
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FOX News? Rumpelstiltskin poll, which skews every question to assure an answer favorable to right wing wackos. It doesn't count, because it isn't accurate. Republicans wanted to start over but never offered any plan except cut taxes and don't let people sue bad doctors. They lost, for the time being.
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Go look at the poll on MSNBC. As of my post time, we have the following : 22.7 % excited, 17.3% mixed, .6% other, oh and 59.4 % pissed off...... oops, refreshed the screen, now its 59.5 % pissed off. (and p.s. you can only vote once)
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Blue state, red state, republican, democrat,independent, it does not matter. i look at it this way. if i purchase something, i.e. a car an apartment or home with the loan term of ten years and i am only able to drive "my" car or step foot into "my" home after i have made four years of payments is not a good deal. if anyone can make an argument that i am really "finally getting something" for my money that will benefit me, write on.
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Snowe and Collins
Shame Snowe and Collins wanted to keep healthcare the way it was .Republicans had 8 years to deal with this but choose not too . Democrats thanks for thinking about the old the tired the sick the backbone of this country Snowe and Collins you will be buying your own health care soon But it will be affordable soon.
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what is the major problem with this bill? the major problem is it does not have a public option and as such violates the constitution of the United States by FORCING EVERY AMERICAN TO BUY PRIVATE INSURANCE if it did have a public offer it might have passed but it did not and since it did not have 3/4 margin it fails to overide the constitution. There are states who dont even have to force feed the members of thier state insurance and other deals while Maine gets what it always will get crap!! there is NO PART THAT FORBIDS INSANE INCREASES BUT DOES FORCE YOU TO PAY THEM, THIS BILL DOES NOT FORCE INSURANCE EXECETIVES TO PAY FREEZES OR CEILINGS, NOR PROFIT MARGINS FROM SKYROCKETING. IT DOES CREATE A MONOPOLY WITHOUT RESTRAINGHTS. I am all for insurance overhaul but not this piece of do-do. I am for medical and phemacon profit restraints currently worse than the oil companies and the insurance industry post billions in profits with thier ceos posting millions in yearly saleries. THAT IS WHAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO BASICLY WITH THIS HEALTH INS. PACT I WILL GET MORE INCREASES SO THE BUMS THAT DONT WORK CAN ALL HAVE INSURANCE AND OH YEAH THOSE ILLEGALS THAT LEACH OFF OUR ECONOMY WILL GET THIER FREE INSURANCE AND I WILL EVENTUALY HAVE TO DECIDE TO EAT OR PAY INS. THEN IF I DECIDE TO LIVE AND NOT PAY INS. THEN I GET FINED AND STILL NOT HAVE INS. BUT THE ILEGALS AND THE BUMS WONT WORRY.
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Mike Michuad is nothing but a rubber stamp for Obama and the Unions. I hope that the people in Maine will rise up and replace him in November. I will be supporting Jason Levesqe. I urge people that agree with me to supporting Levesque also..
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Levesque will have my vote for sure!
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Just another Federal health bill that will be taken away from us. Vets from 2003 and earlier lost VA benefits inless you are an alcoholic or drug addict or WIA. Medicare is causing us to lose our doctors that are not being paid. Pingree's lackey told me I was not allowed to become a Mexican citizen so I could share their benefits. Well, you dimocrats wanted a change. Enjoy it. Going out soon to get my curtain material to make new dress clothes with and find some nets to cover my face with. Guess I will have to join the mosque moving into the old Grand City store on Maine St. in Brunswick. It won't even do any good to move back to the US!
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"Going out soon to get my curtain material to make new dress clothes with and find some nets to cover my face with."
Where do you even begin to respond to such stupidity? you belong in a mental hospital, not free to walk the streets if you are actually at this level of "intelligence."
Great to see Maine schools pumping out winners like you - makes us look really good.
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In the debate of the health care bill, I have witnessed the Republi-CON party doing everything it could to subvert the democratic process. They have used outright lies, disinformation, fear, and even intimidation to try to undermine the current president and the Democratic members of Congress all the while claiming to support the Constitution of the United States. The President and the members of Congress were legally elected and did their job. The passage of the health care bill, I can assure you, does not mean the end of the United States. The same was said by the Republi-CONS of Social Security and Medicare and yet they have been on the front lines of trying to defend those same institutions during this recent process. Remember, though, that the Republi-CONS led the fight to privatize social security during the last administration. Think of where you would be now if those geniuses had had their way.
The Republi-CONS hold themselves up to be the bastians of morality and the paragons of virtue, yet we have seen them reach a disgusting low in this recent campaign. After the dust settles, and people realize the sky isn't falling, the earth isn't opening up and spewing fire and brimstone, they people WILL realize to what ends the Republi-CONS will go to force their neo-fascist agenda.
Please, spare me the comparisons of the Obama administration to the National Socialists of Germany. The National Socialists were anti-immigrant, anti-jew, anti-Roma, anti-Slave, anti-homosexual, anti-mentally handicapped, anti-union, "pro-worker," ani-black, and nationalistic. This sure sounds like the "Party of NO" to me.
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http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.
It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:
(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.
(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.
So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:
A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.
Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.
No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
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So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
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You hit the nail on the head. It is good to see that there are still a few conservatives out there who don't resort to childishness to argue their point. When you follow the Glenn Beck school of politics, you are going to fail.
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SSDD, your quoting David Frum. Frum is by no means a conservative. Frum is a Toronto native pushing his progressive Canadian views. A transplant who has been part of the progressive group in the Republican party for years, that includes the likes of Lindsy Graham and John McCain. He may have been one of many Bush speach writers but he is far from being conservative. He is part of a group of rebublican progressives who have finally had the light shone on them and need to be drummed out of the republican party. Conservatism is far from being in their blood.
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I say come November it's time to vote these traitors out of office!
Obama's healthcare is bill is the end of America.
It's too bad that the politicans are so brain damaged that they don't know it.
Oh and just so you liberals know I'm not a Republican.
Vote red or blue and they still screw you
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You got yer stupid and then you have this virulent strain of tea bagging stupid. You don't want healthcare - then don't use it!
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What do you care...you probably work for the government and get the "preferred status" health care paid for by the private sector who actually create and add to the economy and not take from the economy.
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What do you care...you probably work for the government and get the "preferred status" health care paid for by the private sector who actually create and add to the economy and not take from the economy.
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and I just called by President Obama to start dispensing the blue pills of death to those in need!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you both.
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Wonder when the republicans will hold their prayer service for the death of America. Certainly it will be held soon, because they really want it happening before the November election. I suspected an American victory on Saturday when the teabaggers and other republicans yelled racial epithets and homophobic slurs at Democratic congresspeople. Certainly was cemented when republicans in the gallery yelled for defeat of this bill and republicans on the floor sprang in "spontaneous" applause, a breach of decorum which never happens. Bet Congressman Wilson was proud. But now Americans see what republicans are made of, unyielding, unwilling to help the democratic process, spiteful, mean spirited racist bunch. Tapes of these events should be played during the November election campaign to remind the voters. Imagine applauding spitting on a Congressman. What has this republic become?
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Yup brain damaged
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Tron enlighten me. Which republican congress person applauded the spitting on another congress person? As usual your an @ss! You better just hope this doesn't bankrupt us or you may not get those welfare checks you been cashing all these years, but at least as your starving to death you can get free medical care.. Oh I forgot we already pay that for you too... Sorry I forgot you also get food stamps too so you wont starve to death, just the working people will.
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None of the spitting, or name calling happened!
As with Sarah Palin and her run for VP, the Democraps MADE THINGS UP
They had them spread around by their own Communist/Liberal people!
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Get a grip before you continue looking psychotic:
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Tea Partiers Call Lewis 'N****r', Frank 'F****t', At Capitol Hill Protest
Brian Beutler | March 20, 2010
Tea partiers and other anti-health care activists are known to get rowdy, but today's protest on Capitol Hill--the day before the House is set to vote on historic health care legislation--went beyond the usual chanting and controversial signs, and veered into ugly bigotry and intimidation.
Civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) and fellow Congressional Black Caucus member Andre Carson (D-IN) related a particularly jarring encounter with a large crowd of protesters screaming "kill the bill"... and punctuating their chants with the word "nigger."
Standing next to Lewis, emerging from a Democratic caucus meeting with President Obama, Carson said people in the crowd yelled, "kill the bill and then the N-word" several times, while he and Lewis were exiting the Cannon House office building.
"People have been just downright mean," Lewis added.
And that wasn't an isolated incident. Early this afternoon, standing outside a Democratic whip meeting in the Longworth House office building, I watched Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) make his way out the door, en route to the neighboring Rayburn building. As he rounded the corner toward the exit, wading through a huge crowd of tea partiers and other health care protesters, an elderly white man screamed "Barney, you faggot"--a line that caused dozens of his confederates to erupt in laughter.
After that incident, Capitol police threatened to expel the protesters from the building, but were outnumbered and quickly overwhelmed. Tea party protesters equipped with high-end video cameras were summoned to film the encounter and the officers ultimately relented.
After the caucus meeting, TPMDC's Evan McMorris-Santoro caught up with Frank, who reflected on the incident.
"I'm disappointed at a unwillingness to be just civil," Frank said. "[T]he objection to the health care bill has become a proxy for other sentiments."
"Obviously there are perfectly reasonable people that are against this, but the people out there today on the whole--many of them were hateful and abusive," Frank added.
Asked by TPMDC whether today's protesters were more hateful than at other rallies, Frank took issue with party leaders for aligning themselves with the movement.
I do think the leaders of the movement, and this was true of some of the Republicans last year, that they think they are benefiting from this rancor. I mean there are a couple who--you know, Michele Bachmann's rhetoric is inflamatory as well as wholly baseless. And I think there are people there, a few that encourage it.
"If this was my cause, and I saw this angry group yelling and shouting and being so abusive to people, I would ask them to please stop it," Frank concluded. "I think they do more harm than good."
Shortly thereafter, the same group of people surrounded Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) as he entered a first-floor elevator. Above the cacophony, I heard one man call Waxman a "crook" and a "liar."
"This is incredible," House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) told reporters of the slurs. "It's shocking to me." He said he hadn't heard such vitriol since March 15, 1960 when he was protesting segregation laws that forced him to sit in the back of buses. "A lot of us have been saying for a long time that much of this, much of this, is not about health care at all," Clyburn said. "I think a lot of those people today demonstrated this is not about health care."
What is it about, a reporter asked?
"It's about trying to extend a basic fundamental right to people who are less powerful."
Translation - white idiots like you are terrified that less powerful people, mainly minorities will be getting help from the government. Nothing you can do about it now - maybe throw another one of tea bagging rages again? I mean they worked out so well before - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wrote things on her hands because she was too stupid to remember 3 catchphrases while being interviewd by FOX NEWS. That happened after her campaign implosion.
She thinks foreign policy consists of living somewhere where you can see another country from your porch.
She can't name any newspapers she reads because she is illiterate.
She has yet to provide proof that Trig is actually her biological child. For a woman so hellbent on seeing Barack Obama's birth certificate you think she would have cleared this up by now.
Can't name a single Supreme Court decision of importance other than Roe v Wade, and even with Roe she doesn't know what it is about, other than it makes it legal to kill little baby Jesus'.
She spent campaign funds on fancy shopping trips and never reimbursed the campaign - also known as theft.
Figures she would he a tea bag hero to so many idiots - she's dumber than a sack of hammers.
As for the spitting and name calling have you heard of Google? Pretty cool widget that lets you find stuff on the internets - you should try it sometime when you're not drunk.
This thread makes me truly embarrassed and afraid to live in LA as it is apparent the number of people who are clinically f'ing nuts is much higher than previously estimated.
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IF you had watched C-Span instead of FOX News? you would have seen it for your own eyes. And if you want to see it now, look at the C-Span archives, it should be posted shortly.
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this whole episode unfold on C-Span as I did, you would have heard the Republicans stand up and cheer when the outburst happend in the gallery. If you embrace one part of the demonstration you embrace it all. Don't pull a Wilson and blame only the spitter, but also the people who egged him on and approved of it. I don't know for certain, but FOX News? probably didn't show it.
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You say "You better just hope this doesn't bankrupt us."
Do you think or read the news at all? We are bankrupt because of one thing and one thing only - 6 years of the dumbest president on earth combined with a corrupt Republican led Congress. Remember these are the morons that invaded Iraq for no reason, spent money on the side for the war and did not include it in the regular fiscal accounting process, and passed Medicare Part D which costs more than the current health care bill, oh and before I forget passed one of the largest taxcuts in history for the 1% of the populace least in need of it. Get a clue before you post choad.
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You are an absolute simpleton devoid of any semblance of intellect. You haven't the slighest clue when it comes to the economy nor, by your own admission, do you have a modicum of understanding for U.S. history. It is YOU who should get a clue before you spew your vitriolic ladened diatribe.
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Please keep the conversation civil. Personal attacks are not acceptable.
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Go all out with the turbo charged stupidity. I actually completed high school and college and grad school whilel you obviously failed out and have been left with a life of nothing but rage, food stamps, and unemployment. Contact me offline and I can get you a job at Mardens cleaning out the toilets. Hey it's better than nothing right?
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SSDD....swing and a miss. Sorry nice try. You will have to aim better than that.
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This is the best you can do? Being a tea bagging brigade member will do that to your intelligence. This is a generational bill that will keep the Democrats in power for decades to come. Not a single Republican had anything to do with the outcome of this bill except encouraging their fellow tea baggers to keep on tea bagging. When the nation goes to the polls in Nov only one thing will matter: Did the Democrats, controlling the Congress and White House, accomplish anything of note? They passed the most comprehensive health care reform since 1965. And what role did the Rethugs play in that process? Absolutely nothing! Priceless!!!!
Way to go Senators Snowe and Collins - you both failed completely to have any input on the final bill and only our two house members realized how important this was for the future well being of the country. Time for both of you failures to step down.
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I think you're in for a rude surprise come November if you think this monstrosity will keep the democrats it power.
Considering over 50% of Americans did not want this bill passed, I'd say you are definitely deluded
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