Best to judge health reform over long haul

Perhaps the most remarkable thing after Sunday night's passage of health care reform was the wildly — and we mean wildly — differing views of what will now result.

Republicans were predicting all forms of disaster for the country and for Democrats. Plagues. Locusts. The works.

The conservative Washington Times agreed that the new law is historic, "but so was the Black Plague," it said in an editorial Monday, predicting "political extinction in November" for the Democrats.

President Barack Obama, meanwhile, hailed passage as a victory for common people over insurance companies and called it "one of the biggest deficit reduction measures in history."

That's IF Congress can find the political will to do something it has never done before — cut Medicare spending.

Maybe there are a few billion dollars to be had by introducing new technology, such as computerized record keeping.  And there may be another billion or two to be saved by rooting out waste and fraud.

But where will the rest come from? Doctors? Unlikely.

Hospitals? If so, what will keep them from simply shifting those cuts to people with private insurance, as they do now?

Drug companies? Hah! There's a reason "Big Pharm" supported this plan — it does nothing to curb their unseemly profits.

So, Americans are left with two starkly different visions of the future. To Democrats, we will all be healthier, happier and more secure.

To Republicans, we will be bankrupt, left in long lines waiting for care or, worse, death panels.

For our part, we are revisiting today the writings of Edward Lorenz, the father of chaos theory, which was popularized by the movie Jurassic Park.

In the movie, you may recall character Ian Malcolm talking about how a butterfly flapping its wings on one continent can affect weather systems days later and thousands of miles away.

Chaos theory holds that dynamic systems are highly sensitive to initial conditions.

Meaning, in this case, that health care reform is so big and complex, and touches so many pieces of our national lives, that it is impossible to predict with certainty what will now happen. Or how much it will cost.

There are so many players and pieces that the outcome of this game won't be fully known for years. There are some provisions that don't even take effect until 2018.

In response to some provisions, hospitals will do one thing. In response to that, insurers will do another. Because of that, employers will do something else.  And consumers — God only knows what they will do.

But all of these responses will play out over a period of years. And that's not even counting eventual efforts by Republicans to roll back and change some provisions.

In Jurassic Park, things didn't turn out so well. The dinosaurs, created with such benign intentions, had minds of their own and ending up eating almost everyone.

Ouch. Let's hope health care reform goes better.

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SSDD's picture

Republicans are the party of idiots

Bob Hebert of the NYT nails it:

For decades the G.O.P. has been the party of fear, ignorance and divisiveness. All you have to do is look around to see what it has done to the country. The greatest economic inequality since the Gilded Age was followed by a near-total collapse of the overall economy. As a country, we have a monumental mess on our hands and still the Republicans have nothing to offer in the way of a remedy except more tax cuts for the rich.

This is the party of trickle down and weapons of mass destruction, the party of birthers and death-panel lunatics. This is the party that genuflects at the altar of right-wing talk radio, with its insane, nauseating, nonstop commitment to hatred and bigotry.

We are witnessing the ugly death of the Republican Party which cannot happen a moment too soon!

taxpayer's picture

Its actually extreme social

Its actually extreme social interventionism but acording to Al Sharpton, when people voted for BO they voted for socialism.  Google it.

socialism

enough said

Paris Patriot's picture

So, you would support

getting rid of the medical insurance our soldier's get or repealing Medicare/Social Security? Of course you wouldn't! Socialist programs such as these you love because it effects you in the end, but give another American a choice in affordable health care insurance that is where you cringe and want to repeal this "socialist" program!

Move to Saudi Arabia if you believe picking yourself up by the bootstraps is the best way to live.

 

SSDD's picture

Agreed!

The less you say the better.

tron's picture

do you need

a dictionary?   We could take up a collection.

Lil's picture
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New poll

USA Today/Gallup Poll today: 49% in favor, 40% opposed.

thinkingman's picture

Lil, don't get to excited

Lil, don't get to excited now, the same polling is showing less than 37% even understand the bill and can explain what it really says, oh yeah and 75% diapprove of the current Congress...

SSDD's picture

Republicans are the party of fail, and have been for decades

and Bob Hebert of the NYT nails it:

For decades the G.O.P. has been the party of fear, ignorance and divisiveness. All you have to do is look around to see what it has done to the country. The greatest economic inequality since the Gilded Age was followed by a near-total collapse of the overall economy. As a country, we have a monumental mess on our hands and still the Republicans have nothing to offer in the way of a remedy except more tax cuts for the rich.

This is the party of trickle down and weapons of mass destruction, the party of birthers and death-panel lunatics. This is the party that genuflects at the altar of right-wing talk radio, with its insane, nauseating, nonstop commitment to hatred and bigotry.

taxpayer's picture

And on the other side the

And on the other side the Democrats brought us massive and unfunded entitlement programs, the mass internment of Japanese Americans during WWII, and rediculous bank and insurance company bail outs.  I could go on and on but I may vomit on my laptop.  Let the record show I'm not a Republican.

maxwell4159's picture

You Don't

...have to be a Rebublican to know how important it is to balance a check book and in this case where the money is going to come from to make ends meet.

...have to be a single parent or working poor family to know every penny counts and part of the health care bill passing problem is that money for the premium needs to go to food if there was a choice.  Now it is no insurance, count of being fined.

...have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that health care reform should be to cap the medical costs being charged that are completely out of hand, insurance companies are capping because the costs being charged are out of this world. Insurance was designed to help us that could afford it and medical companies are taking advantage of that, the Federal Govt is helping them out now. Medicare/Medicade was there for the lower income and elderly, WHAT HAPPENED?

Give it a year or two and we can ask "How do you like it now?".

Pirate's picture
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teabaggers is a sexually

teabaggers is a sexually derogatory term. Your use of it tells the rest of us that it's o.k. to refer to you in sexually derogative terms, is that right?

tron's picture

The only reason

you call it a sexually derogatory term, is to dictate that we stop using it.  Well, that's what you guys are, teabaggers, members of the tea party hate group.  Some of your positions might be debatable, but your methods are horrible.  The spitting, using racial and sexually defamatory names, shouting, pushing, threatening.  But in the long run, teabaggers is an easily nominative way of refering to your type.  You use names all the time to refer to us patriots, some are downright mean.  Don't try to deny what your movement has become.

thinkingman's picture

"Breeder" "home bred wacko"

"Breeder" "home bred wacko" "right wing wacko" "stupid little people" "idiot" "stupid" "lazy"....just some of the words posted on previous comments by tron....and yet he has the gaul to refer to himself as a patriot and accuse people of calling him names? This is a new level of arrogance by tron. Please don't bother responding, because you've proven yourself to be the ultimate HYPOCRIT!

jalbrecht1's picture
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Delusions

Republican delusions and paranoid misinformation intended to frighten senior citizens and the poor are not policy.  Republicans have committed themselves to wrecking the US. 8 years and 8.4 million jobs lost. 27 trillion dollars in asset values lost. The dollar weakened. The Debt more than doubled.  Destroy Obama at any costs even the vitality of the country. Their technique - spread racist and homophobic irrational fears - as was demonstrated over the weekend. How can they have any credibility when their only policy proposals are temper tantrums that would embarass an 8 year old.

"And there may be another billion or two to be saved by rooting out waste and fraud." Sorry its not a billion or so; its 60 billion dollars per year. The cost of the whole health care reform bill is just 95 billion per year and its paid for by this bill.

But much remains to be done. A public option or a single-payer system or regulations that will strangle the health care insurance industry.

Pirate's picture
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Kool-Aid, anyone?

Kool-Aid, anyone?

robert's picture

Tron...we don't hate our

Tron...we don't hate our country...on the contrary we LOVE our country and we can't sit on the sidelines and see it stolen by the current administration. You say the Republicans will do anything to make this fail. This will fail on its own and the collateral damage will be far reaching. The back room dealings Obama did to buy votes is criminal. If the mainstream media would give a modicum of coverage it would become clear just how wrong this is. How can you spend money like crazy and call it a deficit reducing measure. There are so many examples of failing systems like this and in the Presidents hubris he rammed this through. The majority of people in this country did not want this and he did it anyway. It behooves me to find any merit in this legislation but during an interview the President admits he doesn't know what is in his own bill is dangerously disturbing.

There I didn't call anyone any names, nor did I attack anyone in my post. I wish many who post here would extend the same level of decorum and refrain from personal attack.  Can someone who feels this was a great piece of legislation please explain it from their point of view. I really do want to hear from the opposite point of view.      

tron's picture

Let's deal with one objection

I agree the backroom dealings is onerous, I won't go as far as to say it's criminal because it's not.  It's been done forever.  But you failed to mention why those dealing were necessary.  The were necessary to get a vote on the bill.  NOT to vote for the bill, just to get a vote ON the bill.  IF the republican had allowed a vote ON the bill, all those dealings would not have been necessary.  They didn't have to vote for the bill, just allow a vote and let majority rule, strange concept isn't it?  Now there is a reconciliation bill winding through Congress to get rid of all the sweetheart deals, i.e. The Louisiana Purchase, Gatorade, Missouri Compromise etc, gotta give you republicans credit being able to give labels to things.  The reconciliation bill would fix many abuses that were necessary to get a vote on the bill.  It would save the country BILLIONS.  Just the thing republicans should jump at, since they lost on the big question.  But they plan to stymie that plan as much as possible in hopes of defeating it.  They find it better to campaign against the abuses, then fix them.  It's a mixed up world.

Pirate's picture
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obama, while campaigning,

obama, while campaigning, said that any bill that crossed his desk would be put on the internet for 5 days so the American people could read what was in it before he signed it into law. He's signing this health care bill in 36 hours, not 120 as promised. Your spin? And, I'm not interested in hearing anything about what Bush or Cheney said.

tron's picture

the bill was placed on line

last Thursday morning.  It was just signed a half hour ago.  According to  my math that's five days, so what's your gripe?

thinkingman's picture

"portions of the bill" were

"portions of the bill" were available Thursday morning...and now comes the prostitution of votes as each special interest Democrat must get in line and hope their promises are in the final version after the senate passes...

SteveH's picture

Sweetheart Deals

"Now there is a reconciliation bill winding through Congress to get rid of all the sweetheart deals"  This is a myth.  Although a few of the sweetheart deals were removed - e.g, the Cornhusker Kickback, others remained - e.g., Louisiana Purchase.  

mainexile's picture

Another unfunded mandate?

To all who inhabit this forum and are thrilled at the passage of this legislation, please answer one question:  How will this mandated program be funded?  Forget about the ridiculous proposal of taking money from Medicare - that amount won't even put a dent in the forecasted cost.  So where does that leave us?  It appears that in order to bring this program to fruition, the Congress will have to raise taxes to pay for it.  And whom does that affect the most?  You guessed it...the middle class, once again.  How much more do you think this overburdened segment of the population is going to take?  Hang onto your hats, folks.  There's a major storm brewing, and the body count is going to be astronomical.  

 

Gregg's picture

The ambulance chasing lawyers

The ambulance chasing lawyers should be thrilled.

SSDD's picture

Quality writing here

The SJ editorial board thinks it wise to cite a discredited news source such as the Moonie Times and then reference Jurassic Park while discussing the most significant health care refore in 45 years. Stay classy Rex!

tron's picture

In days gone by

there was always spirited debate about issues, but when a decision was made we would unite together and try to make things work.  I'm afraid that those opposed to this measure will do everything in their power to make it fail.  They want it to fail.  I cannot comprehend why  the republicans along with the teabaggers hate this country so much they're willing to destroy this country to benefit themselves.  I pray they start thinking about the country first.

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