Obama talks health care in Maine

PORTLAND — To the thousands of Mainers gathered inside the Portland Expo who endured the yearlong debate leading up to the passage of national health care reform, President Barack Obama was just what the doctor ordered.

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President Barack Obama speaks on health insurance reform, Thursday, April 1, 2010, at the Portland Expo in Portland, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)

“Just seeing the president in person, getting the chance to be part of this, is historic,” said Leah Bartley of Lewiston, a volunteer who helped organize the event. “I'm for health care because I care a lot about small businesses and there are so many people in Maine that just don't have access to good health care, so I'm happy that some changes are being made.”

In town to tout the recently enacted federal health care reform legislation, Obama used humor and facts to connect people to the policy.

“Leaders of the Republican Party have actually been calling the passage of this bill 'Armageddon,'" Obama said. "They say it’s the end of freedom as we know it. So after I signed the bill, I looked up to see if there were any asteroids headed our way. I checked to see if any cracks had opened up in the ground. But you know what? It turned out to be a pretty nice day. Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the street. Nobody lost their doctor or was forced into some government plan.”

The audience roared with approval.

“What this reform represents is basically a middle-of-the-road solution to our health care problems,” Obama said. “It’s not the single-payer, government-run system that some on the left have supported in the past. And it’s not what many on the right wanted, which was even fewer rules and regulations for insurance companies. Instead, this reform incorporates ideas from Democrats and Republicans, including those of your senator, who I consider a friend, Olympia Snowe, who spent many hours meeting with me about this bill.”

Obama stressed the short- and long-term changes provided by the controversial measure, highlighting impacts on small businesses and senior citizens.

“This year, seniors who fall in the coverage gap known as the doughnut hole will receive $250 to help pay for prescriptions, which will be the first step toward closing that gap completely,” he said. “And I want seniors to know, despite what some have said, these reforms will not cut your guaranteed benefits. What they will do is eliminate co-payments and deductibles for preventive care, like checkups and mammograms.”

Also, beginning in 2010, businesses with fewer than 50 employees that offer health insurance will be eligible for tax credits to help offset their costs, Obama said.

“Then, by 2014, each state will set up a health insurance exchange, a competitive marketplace where uninsured people and small businesses will finally be able to purchase affordable, quality insurance," he said. "In other words, they’ll be part of a pool, and get the same good deal that members of Congress get for themselves.”

State Rep. Peggy Rotundo, D-Lewiston, who was seated on risers with other state lawmakers behind Obama during the speech, said she was pleased that the president focused on selling his policy.

“I know the provisions of it will help my constituents, and so I am glad he was here to help catch people's attention and to help them understand what's in the bill so they can not be so fearful and come to understand this is something that will be of help to them,” Rotundo said.

Buffy Morrissette of Poland said she wasn't surprised that the president chose to come to Maine to promote his plan.

“We're extraordinarily active in this state," she said. "We're small but we're loud. We have two moderate Republican senators and we have two Democratic representatives, which means that we must have a reasonably interesting demographic in this state, in order to pull that off.”

Nathan Libby of Lewiston said he recognized why some people were upset with the changes in health care, but he believes it's for the best.

“We're mandated to have car insurance, renter's insurance and home insurance," he said. "I mean, I can understand why people are upset, but this is, I think, a big part of reducing costs, making sure we're all playing on the same playing field."

Richard Grandmaison of Lewiston said he was excited to hear the president talk about the health care policy directly.

“I think really, what's happened since the election of Obama, it's been a dynamic change for this country," he said. "All the rhetoric, if we can get past that, I think we can do a lot of good for the people of the country."

Obama finished his speech by acknowledging that the reforms are not universally celebrated.

“Democracy is a messy business," he said. "It can be frustrating sometimes, but ultimately, that's what makes our country so great, because everybody is able to voice their opinions. You're free to call your president an idiot, you know, that's a wonderful thing.”

A couple of hundred ticket holders were left disappointed when they were turned away at the door. Organizers told them they had given out more tickets than there was space inside the Expo.

rmetzler@sunjournal.com

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megatrends's picture
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It is clearly evident no

It is clearly evident no matter what anyone says your answer will be "You failed to realize, you cannot comprehend, you cannot read" etc.

If you are going to keep referring to anyone who disagrees with you as being an idiot you can argue with yourself.

Have a good time.

xyz's picture

For those of you that only get your Fax from Fox Snooze...

let's see if you really can't read or if you're just spouting (tea reference) the BS  the talking heads of the Taliban T'baggers movement.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/28thamendment.asp

  • "Did members of Congress try to exempt themselves from current health care reform legislation?
  • No. This claim was based on the erroneous assumption that congressional efforts to establish a "public option" for health insurance would have required everyone (except members of Congress) to participate in a new federal insurance plan. The proposed legislation would merely have required everyone (including members of Congress) to have health insurance that met minimum benefit standards, and to that end called for the creation of insurance exchanges which would offer health insurance plans to those who could not otherwise afford insurance plans meeting the minimum benefits criteria.

    In fact, the final version of the health care reform legislation that was eventually passed in March 2010 stated that "Members of Congress and congressional staff" will only have access to plans that are created by the health care bill or offered through the exchanges established by the bill:

    (D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.

    (i) REQUIREMENT — Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are:

    (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or

    (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)."
     

    I will get my answer in the form of how many more times I see this crock of crap spouted (yeah again) in the future. Seriously I don't think you  guys can read so I will not be surprised when I see this referenced in the future.

megatrends's picture
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Why are you quoting Snopes?

Why are you quoting Snopes? LOLZ! Go away .... please and stop stating insulting things like "if you do not agree with me you can't read and are stupid".

Typical. Complains about Fox news then quotes a website based on rumor.

Many of the texts we discuss contain a mixture of truth, falsity, and exaggeration which cannot be accurately described by a single "True" or "False" rating. Therefore, an item's status is based upon the most important aspect(s) of the text under discussion, which is summarized in the statement made after the "Claim:" heading at the top of the page. It is important to make note of the wording of that claim, since that is the statement to which the status applies.

xyz's picture

If you couldn't comprehend the other post I don't know...

what makes me think you can read this one either, but here goes.

"Q: Does the health care bill specifically exempt members of Congress and their staffs from its provisions? 

A: No. This twisted claim is based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/congress-exempt-from-health-bill/

We’ve received many questions about claims that House and Senate members would be exempt from the health care legislation taking shape in Congress. But neither the House nor the Senate bill exempts Congress from its provisions.

Members of Congress are subject to the legislation’s mandate to have insurance, and the plans available to them must meet the same minimum benefit standards that other insurance plans will have to meet. "All plans would have to follow those requirements by 2019," Aaron Albright, press secretary for the House Committee on Education and Labor, told FactCheck.org. "People actually believe we wrote in the bill that Congress exempts itself from these requirements. That falsehood has been going around since the very beginning."

How did the notion of an "exemption" get started? So far as we can find, the first to make the "exempt" claim was columnist John Fund, who used the word in a June Wall Street Journal opinion piece to describe a draft of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee bill. Fund wrote that the proposal "would specifically exempt Members of Congress from many of [the Obama plan's] provisions." But that was a misrepresentation.

Rather than listing "many" exemptions, Fund pointed only to page 114. That section stated that individuals who buy their own insurance and small firms (size to be determined) would be eligible to participate in state-based exchanges, which would offer a range of health insurance plans for purchase. Those who already get insurance through Medicare, Medicaid, the military’s Tricare insurance program, or the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program wouldn’t be eligible. All federal employees, including members of Congress, fall under the FEHBP. Those who have coverage from a large employer wouldn’t be eligible, either, unless their coverage didn’t meet minimum benefits criteria or was deemed to be unaffordable.

The exchanges are designed for those who can’t get adequate or affordable coverage. By Fund’s logic, most Americans would be "exempt" from the privilege of buying insurance through the exchanges — not just members of Congress. Fund further claimed that everyone except Congress "would be shunted into health insurance plans under the straightjacket of whatever the government decides is a ‘basic’ plan." But that was also a misrepresentation. The "basic" plan’s minimum benefit standards would have been just that — a minimum. The draft actually called for three tiers of plans to be offered through the exchanges, two of them with more benefits than the "basic" plan.

Even the speculation that Congress’s FEHBP plans would be better than those offered through the exchanges is outdated. The bill passed by the Senate actually requires members of Congress and their staffs to get coverage through the exchanges.

The Senate bill now says:

H.R. 3590: D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.— (i) REQUIREMENT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are— (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).

The provision comes from an amendment by Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa.

"Exempt" from Federal Insurance Plan?

The "exempt" claim also evolved into the idea that everyone except members of Congress would somehow be forced into a new federal insurance plan, the so-called "public option." But that was never true.

At this point, the Senate-passed bill would not even create a public option, and it is very much in doubt whether the final House-Senate compromise will contain one. Even the new federal insurance program contained in the House bill, should it survive, would not cause many Americans to switch from their current coverage, according to independent experts both in and out of government.

Republicans, fighting to head off any "public option," sometimes exaggerated its likely effect. Republican Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, for example, claimed that many millions of currently insured Americans would be forced to switch to the federal plan against their will. "Anywhere from 17 million to 131 million Americans will be put into the public option according to independent estimates," a background document on Coburn’s Web site claims, adding "yet few members of Congress or other government official are likely to be covered by the plan. If Washington politicians expect millions of other Americans and their families to be insured under this program, they should subject themselves to the same plan." Coburn proposed an amendment to require members of Congress to sign up for the federal insurance plan, should it become law.

But Coburn’s 131 million figure is incorrect. It is based on an outdated analysis of how a federal plan might have been structured, not on what is actually in the House or Senate bill. And even when the Senate bill contained a "public option," it wasn’t nearly as attractive as Coburn claimed. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that only 6 million Americans would join the plan by 2019 under the House bill, and 3 million to 4 million under the old Senate bill. The Lewin Group’s most recent analysis estimates that 19.1 million would enroll in the federal plan under the House bill and 15.1 million under the provision then contained in the Senate bill.

Furthermore, most of those expected to enroll don’t currently have any coverage. The Lewin analysis estimated only a "small shift" of those who currently have private insurance moving to the federal plan. (The Lewin Group, whose reports have been cited by both political parties, is a subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group but says it operates with "editorial independence.")

As for members of Congress under the House bill? They would be eligible to buy into the federal plan. Albright, of the Education and Labor Committee, told us the "public option" would be available to members of Congress, if they wanted to choose it.

–Lori Robertson

Sources

Albright, Aaron. Interview with FactCheck.org. 11 Jan 2010.

Congressional Budget Office. Letter to Rep. Charles B. Rangel. 29 Oct 2009.

Congressional Budget Office. Cost Estimate for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as Proposed on November 18. Director’s Blog. 19 Nov 2009.

Sheils, John and Randy Haught. “Comparing the Cost and Coverage Impacts of the House and Senate Leadership Health Reform Bills: Long Term Costs for Governments, Employers, Families and Providers.” The Lewin Group. 9 Dec 2009.

Sen. Tom Coburn Web site. Background on Amendment 2969. Accessed 11 Jan 2010.

U.S. Congress. H.R. 3590, as passed by the Senate 24 Dec 2009.

U.S. Congress. Draft of Affordable Health Choices Act, as written by Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. Accessed 11 Jan 2010.

Fund, John. “Beware Obamacare’s Fine Print.” Wall Street Journal. 24 Jun 2009.

Posted by Lori Robertson on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 12:10 pm 
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Yeah I know it doesn't have the stamp of approval from FoxSnooze, and I doubt you can read but try to follow the bouncing ball.

By the way NRO says snopes is invaluable as a source.
This is the second time I have posted from FactCheck about the same question. Seriously are you home schooled? That would answer a lot of my questions about you.

megatrends's picture
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Mandatory

I agree there should be a health insurance alternative if one chooses to participate, making it mandatory is completely wrong on every level. Using the car insurance analogy as a debating tool is weak because you are not forced to drive, if you CHOOSE to drive you must have insurance. NOT THE SAME THING.

My main argument is that whether or not it is needed we CANNOT AFFORD IT PERIOD. It is not a wise decision to make it happen. Besides the fact there isn't one single Government run program that doesn't lose money or isn't mismanaged or both.

How will this be different?

thinkingman's picture

The real reason Obama wants

The real reason Obama wants national health care - he's a smoker and knows someday he'll need a government handout to cover his medical costs ...what a hypocrit telling me i need his health care that he is exempt from and then lighting up another cigarette.

megatrends's picture
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Also it didn't post my

Also it didn't post my comment about Obama CHANEing his mind about drilling for oil after making palin and McCain look like evil-doers for wanting to and he used it to get votes from the GREENies out there.

I also mentioned that I wondered how many people will still be following the cult of personality celebrity preisdent 3 years from now after a few more broken promises and forced socialism from poor leadership.

megatrends's picture
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Fix your forum here please

I've had two posts spam blocked by IP address and sent an email, i then refreshed the page and hit save and now it posted. The previous post was much better by the way and is lost I guess.

 

Is it a spam blocker or an anti-Obama rhetoric blocker? Just curious ... kidding of course.

megatrends's picture
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Spam comment???

I made a comment and it failed to post claiming some spam filter detection.

 

it was a comment about being able to watch video cirtually anywhere on the net so who cares about whether or not a TV station covered it.

i also mentioned Obama is the worst president I have seen since Jimmy carter.

 

let's see if THIS post will post or if the anti-Obama filter is still working.

momof4's picture

left out

I wouldn't waste my time.

shibear's picture

Who's Hope and Change

The people did not ask to have the nation put so far into debt that they will never see an end to it. We are becoming a country that thinks the government owes us and want them to do everything. Hope you are all happy with where this is all leading.

thinkingman's picture

I am curious how 700-1000

I am curious how 700-1000 with valid tickets for the event were turned away as they were told the place was full...if someone can't account for basic seating numbers, why would i trust them on any other numbers? The white house staff gives out the tickets based on capacity, and then to turn them away...must suck to have bought a ticket from a scalper on ebay and then get turned away after shelling out $200.

tron's picture

How about accuracy

for a change.  There were 200 extra tickets distributed to make certain the venue was filled.  This is normal practice, from rallies to planes to make up for the no shows.  The make the point more clear, only about 50 people were denied entrance which means about 150 did not show.  Perfectly normal, unless you have a secret vendetta against the President.

rstonge's picture
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for wcsh6.com

UPDATE: An official with the White House spoke with NEWS CENTER and said about 200 people were left outside.

tron's picture

at least quote them accurately

channel six says the White House says that about 150 - 200 people normally don't show and that many did.  It does NOT  say 200 people were left outside.  I know you're trying to help bob, but he was wrong and so are you.  Apology accepted, although I don't expect one.  Now let's get in a  whizzing war of definitions and minutia.

rstonge's picture
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took it straight from their site as is

tron, took it directly from their site. no editing was done.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=116143&catid=2

tron's picture

Well

no where does it say categorically that 200 people with tickets were standing outside waiting to get in.  And let the whizzing contest continue.  So who's going to join in?

rstonge's picture
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tron, you claimed 50 and

tron, you claimed 50 and wcsh6.com said about 200, 50 is not near 200, so what if it was 190, it could have been 210 or 220. Still that is about 200.

tron's picture

You're doing some sort of selective reading

but I really have a bigger point.  For over two and a half hours bob's post stated that between 700-1000 people with tickets were denied entrance and you said nothing.  Six minutes after I post the truth you run to tweak the truth to try and provide a rebuttal.  Why is the truth expendable when people you generally agree with post and yet when someone you disagree with posts you must try to squirm the facts? Seems pointless unless you have another agenda involved.

rstonge's picture
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you were both wrong

Tron you are both wrong. Sorry that was what I was trying to point out. I should have stated it in my first post. As for Bob's post, I saw it at the same time as yours.

mbthedragon's picture

Any nitwit who paid to see

Any nitwit who paid to see the guy deserves to lose any money they spent.

mbthedragon's picture

If this Bamasan plan is so

If this Bamasan plan is so darn good, why is that members of congress are excluded from it and have their own plan?

Pirate's picture
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More people need to start

More people need to start asking that question, dragon. Congress excluded themselves from it. That, alone, should be proof enough that it's no damn good.

momof4's picture

Hey, Veritas

We ALL lost---many of you just don't get it yet....

Pirate's picture
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If his health care plan is so

If his health care plan is so good, why's he touring the country trying to sell it to us when it's already been forced down our throats. Secondly, if the plan is that good, why aren't obama, the congress and the rest of them covering themselves with it, too? Answer: because it sucks and they know it.

RNELSON856's picture
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USED CAR SALESMAN

He just tells you what you want to hear instead of the facts.  Wake up people, before it's too late!

Pirate's picture
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I'm afraid it's already too

I'm afraid it's already too late, 856

Publikwerks's picture

What has he said that isn't a

What has he said that isn't a fact?

B's picture

They all do it.

Wake up from what, our national nightmare?  And decide that we really need to clear out every current politician in the political system and start over?

All politicians on all sides say what they think you want to hear instead of the facts.  It is not just him who does this.

too bad

too bad he's trying to sell it after they already rammed it through...something as big as this should have had a national referendum ...but socialist don't care what others want, but what the think other should have...perhap Obama will share his personal physician with the homeless or local Samolians

veritas's picture
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Johnny Quest didn't Notice...

There was a National Referendum.

The 2008 Election.

You lost.

Big Love's picture

Fox business channel showed

Fox business channel showed it.  Well, they showed it for about 10 seconds between Raquel Welch interview segments.  But hey, they got the good part.  Ya know, the part where he mentioned something about leaving Maine soon.

tron's picture

Great speech

it was pure Obama.  Too bad conservative didn't see it.  I look through all the channels and the only one NOT showing the speech was FOX News.  All the other news outlets did, as well as all the local channels, I guess Channel 13 didn't get the don't show memo from the republican party.  Granted conservatives don't like this bill, but for FOX News to not even show the speech, gives them no moral ground to complain about lack of access for their reporters.  They've shown themselves to be less than a true legit news outlet.

thinkingman's picture

Were you actually at the

Were you actually at the speech or just watched snippets of it on the local news?

Pirate's picture
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"Too bad conservative (sic)

"Too bad conservative (sic) didn't see it."  That's right, T... they were working. They've all got JOBS.

veritas's picture
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Hand-Jobs from Fox. 

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Pirate's picture
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Ooops!!

Ooops!!

Scotty_O's picture

Pirate, you would of like it

Pirate, you would of like it too...it involved Keith Oberman and using too much teeth.

Scotty_O's picture

As opposed to the "other

I'll take  my comment down Pattie.......but damn it was good...

scott's picture

I don't watch the speeech

I don't watch the speeech because I had to WORK.

Pirate's picture
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BINGO

BINGO

mbthedragon's picture

I didn't watch the speech

I didn't watch the speech because I was busy taking a good healthy obama.

Publikwerks's picture

Way to stay classy.  

Way to stay classy.

 

thinkingman's picture

I did not see the speech as

I did not see the speech as while it was being given I was working my first job and I was working my second job while the news was on. And no i don't watch Fox, local news is terrible on there.

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