Dogs may not belong at local wildlife refuge

Dog walkers may be disappointed, even angry, but we respect the right of the Stanton Bird Club to define the vision for Thorncrag Nature Sanctuary.

If that means banning dogs, so be it.

The club's Stewardship Committee unanimously voted in April to no longer permit dogs at the 357-acre wildlife preserve, which has for years been popular with families, student groups and people walking their pets.

The Stewardship Committee's recommendation now goes to the full board, which has invited input from the public before a final decision is made.

The club reports that there have been complaints of dogs intimidating walkers, droppings found on trails and dogs chasing wildlife.

There was no indication in a statement last week from Board President Tom Robustelli of how many conflicts had occurred, or whether the number of incidents was growing.

However, similar complaints arose this spring from people using the Whitman Spring Road trail along Lake Auburn.

There, a walker complained to the Auburn Water District that dog walkers were not picking up after their pets.

The district decided that the feces didn't constitute a water-quality threat to Lake Auburn, but still decided to put up poop-bag dispensers at the entrances to the Spring Road.

Dispensers installed along Auburn's River Walk have also reportedly cut down on the amount of waste left by dog walkers.

The Stanton Board may want to consider this alternative, but the bird sanctuary and learning-lab mission of the Lewiston refuge make it different from the River Walk and Spring Road trails.

All federal wilderness areas ban pets, as does Baxter State Park and many wildlife refuges. They have found that dogs chase wildlife, disrupt sensitive areas and contaminate water resources.

Despite a posted leashed-dog policy, there are always a few dog owners determined to ignore the rules and let their dogs run.

Plus, all people — children and adults — should feel secure within the confines of the sanctuary, and dogs add an element of stress for some people.

Indeed, when a reporter and photographer visited the refuge on Thursday, a brief fight between two dogs broke out in the parking lot.

Ultimately, Thorncrag is a bird sanctuary, not a public park. The dog-walking public may have to accept that there is a difference.

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queenhoneeybee's picture
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its too bad that there are

its too bad that there are bans. people can't take their dogs anywhere. its ridiculous that they are letting the few dogs determine the ban rather than just letting it be. i don't mind picking up trash off the ground or dog poo. its a community effort sometimes to keep things clean. dogs are only as good as their owners!

northwoods's picture

Queen first off welcome back.

Queen first off welcome back. I agree that the dogs are only as good as the owners but I disagree that its a community effort to keep things clean. Its each person responsibilty to clean there mess and dogs mess. When I walk my dog on a snowmobile trail by my house my cigarette butts go in my back pocket and my dogs poop goes into a bag.

queenhoneeybee's picture
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thanks... i agree... we

thanks...

i agree... we should pick up after ourselves... that is the way it is suppose to be. i guess i feel that if i am walking down the street and happen to stumble across a beer bottle on the ground or plastic bags... to dog poo-i don't mind picking it up to keep my road clean. when i go hiking i will pick up trash along the way (finding some very bizarre trash) in the woods that just don't belong there. i feel i am putting in the effort for something so small that will it habitable for wildlife, even enjoyable for the next person. if i was to just walk past a chunk of trash... to leave it for the next person... it could be there for quite a long time. i get some satisfaction that i am doing my part and its so simple.

i remember being a child and being shown some pictures in school about how trash causes issues for animals... especially how birds/animals can get caught (and can get injured or die) in the infamous beer/soda can plastic contraption (can't think of the name right off) that holds a 6-pk etc. a simple cutting or breaking of the links is all it takes... and disposing of it properly.

marooned's picture

Dog trouble

Pepper spray does not spray very far but ant/wasp spray goes approx. 20 feet and is effective for dogs, humans and Democrats. And is legal in all States.

northwoods's picture

Awesome!!!

Awesome!!!

DR's picture

The problem is definitely the

The problem is definitely the stupid and irresponsible owners who aren't controlling or picking up after the dogs. But unfortunately since you can't legislate who's allowed to own a dog, the only possible recourse is to ban all dogs.

It's too bad

My back pocket always has a bag ready to pick up the waste my dog leaves behind.

Centarie2000's picture
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people really don't

people really don't understand their animals. when i lived in eddington (by Bangor), almost everyone on our street had a dog, none had them on leashes. i can't tell you how often i had dogs come at me and chase me up the street, or how many times there was a growling dog in my driveway blocking my car. once, a pit bull was growling with his muzzel a few inches from my 4 month old. he wouldn't let me back up, and i couldn't yell for help. the "owners" child was yelling at the dog and yelling for her mom, who after about 10 minutes finally grudginly bothered coming to get the dog. promising that it would never have hurt us. more and more people have stories like this.
people always think that their animal is under "voice command" and would never hurt someone unless provoked. never the case. people are idiots, dogs can't help themselves.

CommonSense's picture

The dogs in Rumford are a

The dogs in Rumford are a menace. The animal control officer's number answers Ellis River Property Management. I'm not sure who pays for the celphone but I think it is a safe bet what the priority is.

mbthedragon's picture

Lewiston has been going to

Lewiston has been going to the dogs for decades. No news here. Renane it Scatstown.

Brain's picture

It's about time...

... we find something that Larry the Mayor can get his hands around.

candiceanne's picture

Service Animal User Feels Unsafe

I am a disabled person who utilizes (or should be utilizing) the services of a registered/certified service animal for my medical condition (epilepsy). Due to the irresponsible conduct of pet dog owners in Maine, I am denied not only the use of my service animal who makes it possible for me to safely travel about the community independently but also she and I have been injured as the result of two attacks by dogs at large in Rumford. An attack in October resulted in nearly $2000 in vet and medical expenses, and no help from the animal control officer. The owner was charged with disorderly conduct by police and paid a fine which helped the state coffers but not me. Animal Control charged him with dog at large $50 instead of interference with a Service Animal up to $1000 and damages. In March, I called 911 with another dog literally attached to my leg. If not for my leg brace, there would have been a hole in my leg to match the hole in my pants, 16 minutes later the Rumford Animal Control Officer called me and asked if I, " could write out a statement and drop it off at the station tomorrow," I told her I "could." Was I going to waste my time, NO. My dog has been very well trained, and gratefully did not engage the other dogs during either of these attacks or things would have been a lot worse. We have had a number of other incidents, as recently as this morning where two dogs let out in an unfenced yard rushed out into the street where we were walking by and chased us. Every day I clean up after other people's dogs in our quick "duty" trips within one block of our home which is all I dare to do. I am concerned about the spread of parasites and disease to my dog so I clean up everything in our yard and walk range. My dog is trained to relieve her self into the bag so her waste never even touches the ground, it is properly disposed of. Besides the dogs that are on no leash at all, we have been chased as much as six blocks by dogs dragging their owners which is terrifying. I know carry hairspray to mace anything that comes near me or my service dog. Hairspray will stop them without doing permanent damage. Rumford has a leash law and a pooper scooper law neither of which is enforced. There are also areas that are posted no pets which should be safe for those of us who use service animals, but the "No Pets" signs are ignored. Believe it or not it is not like this in other states it should not be like this here.

queenhoneeybee's picture
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unfortunately, i don't know

unfortunately, i don't know what can be done about dog attacks. i have coverage, but i am pretty sure it covers people in the case they are harmed by my dogs. i am sure the ban (which is so unfortunate) does not apply to service dogs.

http://www.maine.gov/mhrc/guidance/service_animals.html
http://www.ptla.org/lse/PDF/disability.pdfmaineelse.org

Centarie2000's picture
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i'm sorry that you can't

i'm sorry that you can't enjoy things like others. this is a case of one bad apple spoiling it for everyone. i think that service dogs should be allowed everywhere a person can go, because service dogs not only have specialized training to never leave the owners side but also are always on leashes. but people with regular dogs don't understand the special circumstances, and will assume their own admittance. again i'm sorry your limited by the ignorance of others.

JDRMPrice's picture
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Service dogs

Service dogs are allowed anywhere a ADA person goes. If they are not allowed to accompany the person they protect, then a call to the ADA will remedy that. The business/person will be fined. Service animals are very well trained, and no one can refuse you to bring her/him in with you. Visit ADA's website. This article explains everything. http://www.ada.gov/svcabrs3.pdf

momof4's picture

doggie depends

make 'em wear diapers...and the dogs, too...

emma g's picture

not everyone is comfortable with dogs

As someone who has been bitten by a dog - I find it scary sometimes to be anywhere near dogs - especially dogs that are not on a leash. Dogs don't belong EVERYWHERE - they belong at home or with their owners on a leash.

roadwolfwalker's picture

No dogs at Thorncrag Nature Sanctuary.

Thorncrag Nature Sanctuary is for bird watching not dog watching old doo left for someone to track is full of germs to say the least. 50 percent of dog owners will pick up the do do and you never know they been there But its the other 50 percent that will leave a trail of do do and pot smoke on the same trail that dont care about anyone but themselfs I say BAN THOSE NUTS the one with the dog running all around without a leach and do do anywhere they please I bet the house smells fresh WITH FRESH DO DO AND POT BAN THEM I VOTE TO BAN THEN

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Oh I might also mention, on

Oh I might also mention, on Spring Road in Auburn I have seen MASSIVE piles of horse #%$@ every 25 feet down the entire road…

Ginger1's picture

crap at thornecrag

No doubt, some dog owners think the world is their dogs toilet. Ya; we don't mind scraping your dogs stinking turd off of our shoes after a hike; we just hope you didn't get any on your shoes Princess. This crap has to stop.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Well I am not a dog person at

Well I am not a dog person at ALL – But I have to side with dog owners here.

Some of you may recall my comments in yesterday’s article, in which I expressed my hatred of dog owners who feel the need to bring their pups into public buildings. I think that is absurd, and there is no need for it…

..However outdoor public property is another story. Assuming dog owners are responsible and keep their mutt on a leash and clean up after it, I have no problem with them walking through the woods. If a dog owner is no in compliance with those rules, they should be fined. I don’t think a few “bad apples” should ruin it for all responsible dog owners at all.
I mean in reality, if you ban dogs completely, the only way to enforce the ban will be to have a daily patrol correct? Well why not have a patrol look out for careless dog owners instead, and allow responsible owners to stay?

Mac antSaior's picture
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I led a group of kids there

I led a group of kids there snowshoeing and we could hardly take a step in places without marching through crap. I clean up after my dogs, but I can understand the bird club's stance and given the circumstances would have done the same long ago.

Mainah49's picture

outofmainer is right. It's

outofmainer is right. It's the owners that are creating the problem. It's not very hard to grab a plastic bag from home before heading our with your dog. The last time I looked, Thorncraig still belonged to the Staton Bird Club. It's their property, and if they want to ban dogs, so be it.

And Dan, stop generalizing. Not all dog owners feel entitled, unlike "some" people that comment here

marooned's picture

Yeah Right!

Outofmainer-With dogs like the mentioned Pitbull digging into the ground while pulling the owner and walking around dog doo that lazy and uncaring owners leave behind does not give them the right to command this property. Until Obummer changes the rule, the majority rules here!

outofmainer's picture

Ban People, Not Dogs

I am amazed that the Stanton Bird Club would consider passing such a measure banning dogs. The idea that dogs are the big problem with bothering wildlife while Stanton carves out man made trails and builds a large new parking lot seems a bit contradictory. I'm not a dog owner, but, when i visit, 99% of the dog walkers I see are very responsible. Are the dog walkers also to blame for the water bottles, beer cans, and other trash strewn around the trails? Not to mention the other seedier side of the Sanctuary in certain parts at certain times.

If anything the dog walkers I've met have seemed to be some of the most friendly and often the people who care the most about Thorncrag. Humans are the problem, not the dogs. If the powers that be truly cared about protecting the wildlife, they would ban humans from Thorncrag.

Ultimately, some people are dog people and some people are not. I think this is an issue of the non-dog people attempting to force their will on others.

For decades I have been visiting Thorncrag, and all the dog and non-dog people have gotten along in harmony. The rapid growth of Thorncrag seems to have brought out a new segement of people and Stanton "stewards" who see it perhaps not as sanctuary, but, rather a "rural gentrified cause celebre." They can join a board, claim to care about the environment, all the while be completely ignorant of the true issues and dangers to Thorncrag.

As a longtime member and benefactor, I strongly urge the full board to not ban dogs which would only continue to push Thorncrag further and further away from what it was meant to be, a place for all living creatures to come and enjoy nature. Quite simply, people, and not dogs, always have and always will be the biggest threat to the sanctuary.

JohnBerry's picture

It Is Amazing

The number of people who simply do not care. They feel entitled to soil the environment and force others to clean up after their dogs. Thorncrag is a wonderful place and should do whatever it needs to do to stop irresponsible dog owners. Dog owners, contrary to what Tron states, are not a strange bunch. It is a human problem and there is a proportional number of irresponsible people among dog owners. They are what ruins so much about what is good in the world. Big things and small. Just add the enjoyment of Thorncrag for responsible dog-owners to that list.

tron's picture

dog owners are a strange bunch.

they feel entitled, superior and can't understand what the fuss is about. I have a niece, another one not the one with the rabid husband, who organized a poop picking squad this past April and you would not believe the amount that was scooped. Why? Because people feel it beneath their dignity to scoop up dog feces. Why do they own a dog when they don't have the property to keep it on. Because their entitled. Thorncrag should definitely prohibit dogs, and the city should waste it's scarce funds providing a place for dogs to go to the bathroom. let them go on owners property.

thinkingman's picture

tron you just could not make

tron you just could not make a single comment on these blogs without inserting something as lazy and assinine as that? You clearly have some kind of a man crush or jealousy as not a moment goes by when you're not thinking of me...God bless you for that!

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