Bates party results in injuries, arrests

Bates fracas
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

A pair of Bates College students were among several arrested on campus near the football field early Wednesday morning.

Bates fracas
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Several Bates College students were arrested after a fracas on campus early Wednesday morning.

Bates fracas
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Lewiston police officer Robert Ullrich is loaded onto a stretcher with a possible broken leg suffered during an altercation with Bates College students early Wednesday morning following a fracas on the Lewiston campus.

LEWISTON — A police officer and an unknown number of Bates College students were injured early Wednesday morning after a party at a freshman dorm on North Bardwell Street got out of hand, according to officials and witnesses at the scene.

Bates fracas
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Several Bates College students were arrested after a fracas on campus early Wednesday morning.

Bates fracas
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

A Bates College student receives medical attention prior to being taken to jail following a fracas at the campus early Wednesday morning.

Bates fracas
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Several Bates College students were arrested after a fracas on the campus early Wednesday morning.

Bates fracas
Russ Dillingham/Sun Journal

Several Bates College students were arrested after a fracas on campus early Wednesday morning.

Students — both men and women — were arrested after police were called to break up a crowd of 200 unruly students gathered outside Smith Hall dormitory after midnight.

Police officers from Lewiston, Auburn, Lisbon and Sabattus, and the Androscoggin County Sheriff's Department and Maine State Police were called to help disperse the crowd.

Lewiston police Sgt. Rob Ullrich suffered a leg injury and was taken by ambulance to a hospital. According to WMTW, his leg was broken in two places.

A number of students, bruised and bloodied, were also being loaded into ambulances. Others roaming the street were shirtless and barefoot.

At 12:15 a.m., police walked about 50 students away from Smith Hall toward the quad, where they stood in front of Parker Hall shouting insults at police.

Meanwhile, police cruisers and vans were taking an unknown number of students to the Androscoggin County Jail in Auburn. 

Students said the gathering began as seniors celebrating the end of the year moved to Smith Hall, the freshman dorm that is home to about 180 students.

Lewiston Police told WMTW that an ambulance was called for a girl who needed assistance. They reported that police said students blocked the ambulance from assisting the girl, and that once college security broke through the crowd, the partiers became unruly.

According to sophomore Romina Istratii, ambulances came before the police and took several students away. Istratii said once police arrived, they were abusive to students, pulling hair and pepper spraying even nonviolent bystanders.

"It was barbaric," she said. Istratii said police yelled at her and threatened to arrest her when she asked what was happening, and said they arrested a female student while refusing to read her her rights.

WMTW reports that nine were arrested on charges of failure to disperse and disorderly conduct.

North Bardwell Street runs between the college football field and Lake Andrews on the campus.

Bates College commencement is set to take place Sunday.

We will be covering the rally to highlight police brutality at Bates College at 2 p.m. today.  Join us live.

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RONALD RIML's picture

Beer with Bates President Hansen....???

Do you think once the dust has settled the errant students and the mean ol' Po-lice can have a sit down sit down with Bates President Hansen and knock back a keg or two?

You know, just like President Obama did with Professor Gates and Sgt. Crowley???

Everybody can check their pepper-spray, night-sticks, and reefer with a disinterested third party.....

RONALD RIML's picture

Ask Professor Gates...

Because the Cambridsge Cops won't take any shidt and will fugg you up.... :0

Jonathan Duchette's picture

How many named were actually students?

It is that time of year where friends and family come to visit during graduation week? How many of the arrested individuals are actually students? Could there be a number of friends/family who came for graduation on vacation and wanted a quick thrill by engaging the Police? Just a thought...

Stacey Smith's picture

It is always blame the cops

It is always blame the cops and never take responsibility for your action! This end of the year party always seems to get out of hand. Look back when they were drinking and decided to pick a fight with some of the locals and McDuffy got killed. The actions of these Bates students are never respoonsible, according to them, for what events take place during these parties.
If they were responsible caring individuals they would of held a rally today to show how sorry they were for injuring that officer and causing the mele they did. That officer has a wife and children that have been hurt as well due to the actions of those unruly students who chose to drink and cause the events that happened!!

Jonathan Duchette's picture

Leavittdollface - Woose

Thank You Woose. I too went to Leavitt and than spent 4 very valuable years at Bates in the mid-2000's. Bates isnt just full of "Massholes", but also some very smart and talented locals who can honestly say they are not trust fund babies and have had to work for everything they have ever received.

RONALD RIML's picture

$12,000 per year to $90,000 per year......

Rent Boys, Hookers, etc always were cheap in Lois'ton. Where ya' knockin those expensive tricks down now???

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Newt...I'm gonna put you down

Newt...I'm gonna put you down as undecided on that issue.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Yeah, but "yes, sir" is a lot

Yeah, but "yes, sir" is a lot less likely to get you maced than ****you will.

Allisa Milliard's picture

finally a bates grad who get

finally a bates grad who get it. blaming the cops for having the audacity to show up when called doesn't help. nor does marching out how fortunate we should all feel for your presence doesn't either. those students involved were in the wrong. just admit it so we all can move on.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The only difference between

The only difference between 16 and 20 is four empty years; they still don't know anything. Hormones and emotions; that's all they've got.

Allisa Milliard's picture

you seem to operate on the

you seem to operate on the assumption that the police are out to get you. if there wasn't a reasonable assumption that there were unlawful activities going on, plaincloths cops would not have been called in to investigate. yes called in. also, a fine is a fine. you can't fine someone more if they are rich as opposed to someone poorer for the same crime. if you are breaking the law then you will, regardless of who you, are be punished. and no, people will not turn their heads just because bates is a large employer and the students do some work. thats hypocracy and an elitist attitude.

i have never had a problem with the police because i don't put myself into those kinds of situations.

RONALD RIML's picture

Police Rule #1

Police Rule #1

You can't reason with Drunks and Crazy People

Nor Batesies who don't have a clue - but think they have!

Allisa Milliard's picture

1. state school frat night

1. state school frat night parties don't usually involve police because students don't fight security.

2. wouldn't it be the fault of the student the officer was chasing? all he/she had to do was answer questions or follow directions. instead, he/she fled. also the his leg wouldn't have gotten broken if you had all been respectful and the cops hadn't been called in.

3. if a person isn't kicking and fighting the cops, they have no need to restrain or subdue him.

EVERYONE including bates college students have to follow the laws and respect the police. just remember kids, the next time someone steals your car or breaks into your apartment or beats you up, you will call the police and you will expect their full attention.

Allisa Milliard's picture

when the cops are involved,

when the cops are involved, you don't go stand there and watch, especially after being told to leave. could they not get into their dorm? no friends on that side of the building? this was reality, not an entertainment venue. when the police are doing their job, you get out of the way unless you want to get involved. when your friends are making jerks of themselves, you disassociate yourself from the situation otherwise you get dragged down too.

Allisa Milliard's picture

so because they are a large

so because they are a large employer, students are exempt from the laws and don't have to be respectful of police officers? makes perfect sense. what you do affects not only you and your reputation, but those associated with you. thats the world kids. get used to it.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The cops were called in at

The cops were called in at the request of Bates Security.

Allisa Milliard's picture

and if i am on my property

and if i am on my property being diruptive and dangerous my neighbors will call the police too. "campus" is not a no mans land where laws do not apply and the police can't go when called. the news is saying that the police were outmanned 10-1. in that kind of a mob situation, things can get worse quicker, especially when trying to sort drunks from bystanders from violent offenders, none of whom are cooperating with police. so they had no choice but to call for backup. if it broke up quitely, just like if the police broke up a party on my own property, there would have been no problem. these kids need to be taken down a notch.

Linda  Daigle's picture

LPD

As the parent of a young adult who has come into contact with the police here in Lewiston, I lost respect for them. My son was in the wrong, and knew it, but the fact that an officer of the law approaches a car with a teen driver and starts using foul language before anyone can say anything was a complete turnoff. He had my son, he knew it, and to drop the f bomb every few words was a turn off. To call and point out the officer's misconduct was a complete waste of my time-I was asked, in a very surly tone if I was there, and was told that my son was lying, and the act of trying to point out any wrong doing on the officer's part was not allowed. I tried explaining that I was not trying to get my son off, but I considered it extremely unprofessional, again, waste of time. Since then, I have heard the same sorts of complaints from many young people. They are approached in a very disrespectable manner, some react in turn, some just can't believe the language from our fine officers. Not all, but some, and that's all you need to turn a situation bad--

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Take the N.Y. Mass, and Ct.

Take the N.Y. Mass, and Ct. kids out of there and the list is pared down to 4. GO FLYERS

Sue Lussier's picture

Reverand Jackson

Good Bye, we won't miss you.

Ron Dexter's picture

Colby

This story and the comments that go with it are very similar to an event that took place up at Colby College a couple of years ago. The guily parties were prosecuted and convictions were handed down. Let the system do its job. This is not a Law & Order or CSI episode - it takes longer than an hour to perform investigations and build strong cases.

Sue Lussier's picture

Your Opinion

Slingopride you have your opinion. I have lived here all my life . You may think you know it all, must kids do. Believe what you want to believe buy there have been many incidents at that school that have been ignored.
And you for you to think it is ok for someone to be beaten because he made a comment that they didn't like this is why you are getting all these negative comments from the community. You have proven our point. Thanks! And in your words if students were attack by locals someone provoked them and they deserve it. Are you for real!!
Grow up admit your mistakes , pay the price and move on.
By the way calling me an idiot, very child like. Not once in my comment did I insult anyone. Go home we need our vacation !!

RONALD RIML's picture

See my above posting

I actually loved going to the lectures, concerts, and art exhibits when I lived nearby.

I hated the ritual bellowing, mating calls, disturbances, and drunken rantings emananting from the nearby Frey Street residences and unions during the wee hours that disturbed my slumber. Neighborhood meetings with Bates administration and security were an exercise in futility.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Get back to your ghetto,

Get back to your ghetto, punk. And the Pirate has heard of Greenwich, Ct. Nothing good, though.

Laurie Bryant's picture

That was ignorant

Reverend Jackson, you are way off base. It is because of trolls like you that the community hates Bates. I am ashamed you are a member of the Bates Community (that is, if you are not lying). I grew up 11 miles from Bates, went to Bates and got a double major and graduated with honors, and I am currently a third year medical student. Before my med school days I worked as an archaeologist in central america, and returned to the states and held down three jobs to earn enough in anticipation to supplement my living costs during med school.

Am I a hick? If I am one, I would hope you think I am a well accomplished hick. Hell, what is your definition of Hick? Are my parents hick because they are blue collar workers who sent all three of their kids to college? Iam I a backward hick if I come back to L/A to practice medicine? As for thinking you are entitled, "better", and wealthier than everyone else, you may need to seek treatment for your Narcissistic Personality Disorder (consult DSM-IV for further explanation of this psychiatric disorder)....Psychiatric meds (atypical antipsychotics and SSRIs are generally ineffective for this disorder, so I recomment behavioral therapy).....and that comes from a "hick"

Laurie Bryant's picture

Heeeheeehe

John, I think you are rational! I think that we are looking at a minority of residents of the Lewiston/Auburn area who are commenting online about their "beef" with Bates. I will reiterate that I do not condone such disgusting behavior as what happened last night, nor am I going to condemn Bates for this incident. I do recognize that a small fraction of students can be obnoxious and the the community should not tolerate this---but to make all these statements about bates being a bad school, statements about their admissions process that are ridiculous,l and not doing anything for the community, well, that is complete bunk.

RONALD RIML's picture

Actually I have to admit

That when I lived in Lewiston I attended many free lectures, concerts, and art openings at Bates that were a genuine breath of fresh air in an otherwise desert-like surrounding. But kudos to Lewiston for their recently remodeled Library!

RONALD RIML's picture

You have an overactive imagination, Monsiuer.....

I left Lew-ees-ton pre-Somalian days.

The racist images are conjured only in your petit cerveau.........

And was not Algeria (French until 1962) also largely a desert, though not as figuratively as your digs.....

RONALD RIML's picture

Who said "Deserved?"

Jim; I'm talking about real life situations. Most cops I know practice a great deal of self-restraint. And most assholes end up arresting themselves. There are exceptions to the rule of course. Mixing alcohol into the situation always makes it worse. Personally, I always saw folks a whole helluva lot mellower on weed - but I don't make the rules.

Sue Lussier's picture

Hey Slingopride

I was waiting for the issue of how minorities are treated to come up. Find a new crutch cause that one is getting really old.

Sue Lussier's picture

What a surprise!!

Another fine example of Bates students thinking that they are not required to abide by the laws and rules. How many of these students were legally drinking at this party? How many will get citations? Zero!!!
For many years incidents have occured that were brushed under the carpet. Many years ago a friend of mine was beaten if front of one of the fraternity houses on College street for a comment that he made to someone in the fraternity house. He was beaten to the point were an ambulance and an overnight stay at the hospital was required. He was contacted by the dean of the school and asked to keep things quiet, because it was parents weekend and they didn't want any bad press. No one was held accountable for their actions that evening. It was almost like it had never happened. To tell me that this incident will be treated the same as any other disturbance in this town is a joke. I had to laugh when I saw that it was unclear as to what the charges would be. Are you kidding me!! I can think of a few. Disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, assault on a police officer,underage drinking, obstructing government administration, and I am sure that are more.
Why were the names of these student not published in the newspaper? If these kids had been Lewiston kids at a party, you can bet that their names would have been printed.
This is a good reason why some area residents have a problem with the school and the students. They believe that the rules do not pertain to them. They act and do whatever they want knowing that there will not be any consequences.
For area law enforcements agency to be called in shows that things were out of control. I would not want to be the one to have to break up an incident involving a group of intoxicated people. This is when injuries occur. They used the means that were required to bring the situation under control.
By the way your welcome, for the city providing you with a service that the citizens of Lewiston citizens pay for. Maybe your are smarter than we think.
I always look forward to this time of year when I can wave goodbye to the students for the summer.

Allisa Milliard's picture

the issue of students voting

the issue of students voting has nothing to do with a wild party gone out of hand.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

No, but the fact

No, but the fact remains...they do vote and influence the outcome of local elections even though the majority of them are here only temporarily.

RONALD RIML's picture

Law of the Jungle

You act like animal - you get treated like an animal.

Allisa Milliard's picture

good ole tron, trying to put

good ole tron, trying to put up a smokescreen and divulge attention from the issue at hand and creating one that for himself for attention sake! this has nothing to do with students voting rights.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Ahh, old t... is back from

Ahh, old t... is back from the witless protection program, I see.

RONALD RIML's picture

A rational person

Would turn around and remove himself from the situation.

An idiot will stick around, fugg with the bull, and get the horn. Even the Grade School drop-outs in the ghetto know that shit. And your folks are spending how much to make an over-educated dummy out of you.

Allisa Milliard's picture

actually thats exactly what i

actually thats exactly what i would do because i respect authority. as for talk down to you, get over it your not the star of a movie. the badge they carry and the uniform they wear does require respect, which doesn't seem to have been taught to you. just like your rich daddy is given respect when he walks into a room, even he must cooperate with those in uniform when told.

RONALD RIML's picture

So no-one got shot.....

When my wife was a sophomore in college, someone called in the National Guard. She says they were fine for a day or two, then when they popped the tear-gas, she had the sense to go toher dorm room, though only a mere spectator.

Thirteen students were shot, four of whom were killed (one an ROTC Student) - Yep, Kent State, May 4, 1970.

Now that would give these puzzy-azzed Batesies something to dwell on.

Allisa Milliard's picture

1. your friends were blocking

1. your friends were blocking the medical crew from helping the student. otherwise, i'm sure that BEMS would have arrived much sooner the 30 minutes later.

2. bates security were the ones who called LPD.

3. the police don't manhandle, beat, or pepperspray people who are not physically fighting the officers and are in fact peacefully dispersing. and those who do are usually arrested.

4. no one really cares how insulted you all are. go home and pout.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Also, the bystanders are not

"Also, the bystanders are not required to disperse if they are not interfering with the operation."
I don't know where the hell you're from, but unless you're totally brain dead, if a cop tells you to move, in this town, you move.

RONALD RIML's picture

Your word is nothing.

You have no credibility. You hide behind a nom de plume.

Allisa Milliard's picture

1: you yourself wrote that

1: you yourself wrote that the BEMS were on the scene within 30 minutes, which means that they had to get through your drunk butts to get to the fallen student otherwise they would have gotten there sooner. even united ambulance has a better call time. read what i wrote please since it mentioned nothing about the police.

2. the police have a duty to respond to every call weather you like it or not. are you sure they weren't DISGUSTED with the student behavior?

3. right about alcohol impeding judgement and therefore unreliable. wrong about the police procedure, but frivolity will do that to ya.

4. actually the us system of justice has better things to do the worry about a few drunken addlepated brats being insulted. you were treated like any other person in that situation, which is why you are insulted.

RONALD RIML's picture

They were sent 'into shock?'

Oh, the humanity!!!

Talk about weasels. Register here under your own name. Regular users do.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

LMAO...The parrot sez Veritas

LMAO...The parrot sez Veritas rules today.

RONALD RIML's picture

Sligo's not too bright....

Comparing it to Kent State???

Try 'Contrast' there. You didn't learn that concept in middle school, and here you find yourself in college? And paranoid to boot. It's "Alleged" police brutality until proven in the proper jurisdiction.

Smart you aren't, a smart-ass you are.

RONALD RIML's picture

Normal citizens

don't act in the manner that the Bates Students did last night. So don't bring that ruse up. I used to have to listen to the crap on Frey street for years -

What is you expertise in determining 'Police Brutality?"

Hundreds of people can observe the same thing, and still describe it in hundreds of different ways; that's interpretation.

Allisa Milliard's picture

actually it is 2-0 because it

actually it is 2-0 because it has been verified by the league at the time of the last game. not everything has to do with the justice system, only the governing body which that item falls under. you may wish to learn about what does and does not fall under the blanket of the us justice system before you utilize it.

RONALD RIML's picture

Where's Brandon Thongsavanh

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RONALD RIML's picture

I don't blame you for removing it.

Dsigusting, distasteful, and really off the wall.

But then again, those are my positive qualities....

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Didn't they move him to

Didn't they move him to Arizona, or was he brought back? Lost track of him.

Allisa Milliard's picture

he's in arizona. i work with

he's in arizona. i work with his mom. also, his dad is a current bates employee.

Allisa Milliard's picture

also, he isn't some kind of

also, he isn't some kind of monster to be let loose at our convienence, he is missed everyday, and would never have had anything to do with this now. this incident is just adding stress to his family.

i shouldn't have replied at 10:16, i can't figure out how to remove it, and i'm sorry i wrote it since it has nothing to do with what is going on.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Those two morons in the

Those two morons in the picture are making their parents real proud of where their spending their tuition money.

RONALD RIML's picture

You want to Party???

Join the military, go off to war. Party when you get back

And at least learn how to register here under your own name if you wish to be taken seriously, coward.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Why should that mean we

"Why should that mean we can't party like normal college kids?'....LMAO....If you did, you probably wouldn't the cops there to break it up.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Great post, runr

Great post, runr

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"How much you hate Bates is

"How much you hate Bates is not the issue here"...
I don't believe anyone in this forum "hates" Bates, but many of us who live in the community do consider them to be pretty arrogant and uppity at times. I have a hard time seeing that as hatred.

RONALD RIML's picture

sligopride lacks the courtesy to sign his work

Yet he wishes us to take him/her seriously.

Of course you won't register here under your actual name writing the garbage you have, comparing the trials and tribulations of a 'Batsie" to those suffered by the African-Americans.

My God, have you no sense of history or social justice? Have you been taught nothing, nor comprehended nothing of our own History?

What in the hell are you doing with your education? Sir or Ma'am, you are a Nincompoop and a self-indulged fool!!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Great post, mohamed

Great post, mohamed

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

If "townies" had been

If "townies" had been involved in something like this, their names would've been plastered all over the place.

Allisa Milliard's picture

when i was 20-23 years old i

when i was 20-23 years old i had enough sense to listen to police, follow instructions, and not run into it for fun. i partied and played and trash talked just like everyone else. the majority of the people i knew had personal responsibility and didn't want do deal with the negative consequences. those that did we made fun of and disassociated with because they would have dragged us all down. it was behavior of teenagers, not adults and we undereducated working slobs knew better.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

And, you know all this

And, you know all this because....

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

My 9:42 was intended for

My 9:42 was intended for sligo...

Allisa Milliard's picture

poor little rich kid has a

poor little rich kid has a dose of reality! guess what princess, in the real world when real people behave in this manner this is what happens. why don't you and your little elite friends take just take your toys and go home to pout. believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around you and your egos.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

If they hadn't been drunk and

If they hadn't been drunk and disorderly, the cops wouldn't have been called in the first place now, would they? Being drunk and disorderly is not a right no matter whose property you're on.

Laurie Bryant's picture

Thank you Dag

Dag, thank you for being a voice of reason. I am ashamed that these idiotic Bates student cast a black mark on the community. I think a rally is pretty dumb too. But as you said, these jerks represent a minority.

Allisa Milliard's picture

they do represent the

they do represent the minority. however, if as a society, we allow a few people to get away with a few misdeeds, then it has a snowball effect. we all know that not every bates student was there, but the ones that were should be punished. but must of us doubt that they will because of their station in life and/or their parents station. we have all seen it before numerous times both locally and in the media.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

10% in fact...speaks volumes

10% in fact...speaks volumes

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Semantics, semantics,

Semantics, semantics, semantics...

Allisa Milliard's picture

it may be a minority of

it may be a minority of students, but they caused huge problems. its not just the ignorance of their actions that are angering people. its the fact that they ARE supposed to be better then us: better educated, more caring, smarter, future leaders. what does it say to the people of a very poor community that these elite are fighting with police and ambulance paramedics? that they are having a protest event because the police didn't kiss their backsides when they were breaking laws and interfering with ambulance services? its their lack of respect, self control, and personal responsibilty that people are angry about. btw:i went to a technical college and we blue collar workers never had to have police called in. what does that tell you?

Allisa Milliard's picture

a protest? thats sick!

a protest? thats sick!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Morons....

Morons....

Laurie Bryant's picture

Mainerunr, your comment is

Mainerunr, your comment is purely ignorant and is a gross generalization. I want to know exactly why you think this. Kudos to the Lewiston Police for doing their job, and I hope these deviants from the norm are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Don't base your opinion of the 1600 current Bates students and thousand of alumni on the actions of a handful of idiots. No, we are not all "yuppie" liberal trash. it makes me nauseated to know that people really believe this.

For all of you who dont think Bates makes a financial contribution to the community, consider this--
Look at the number of jobs Bates provides. Realize the amount of money spent by Bates students at WalMart for everyday essentials of life and LL Bean. Think about the spending that goes on during Parents weekend and Graduation. Moreover, think about the countless number of Batesies that spend numerous hours in Lewiston/Auburn classrooms, providing tutoring and other enrichment activities that will help younger students become productive members of the community. What about all the Bates Students that are mentor to younger children?

So, for example, if someone is a sex offender, you consider his/her entire family sex offenders? If someone is abusing food stamps, are their families and friends all "using" the system? If there is a fight in a high school, is that high school providing a poor education for all? If one member of the local town government is caught laundering money, are all the people in the office corrupt? If a police officer uses brutality, does that mean all police use excessive force and disregard the rights of others?

And for the record, I do not think all people in the Lewiston-Auburn community share your opinion. I do not generalize this way.

Educate yourself on what Bates has to offer and I think you may change your opinion.

Bates Grad '03, current med student.

Laurie Bryant's picture

Oh, yawn, I was simply

Oh, yawn, I was simply commenting on the rigorous nature of the Bates curriculum and countering the notion that it is easy to gain admission there. I am not elite, I am simply regurgitating numbers. Go to the Bates website and you will see the admission stats. Since when is stating fact (fact that can be found at www.bates.edu) being elitist? Is Bates or any other college "elitist" for publishing these numbers? My comment about earning an A at Bates is just that----you have to work dang hard to get good grades. Bates holds its students to a higher expectation. This is how the school weeds out the lazy from the motivated. Read the Princeton Review guide to Colleges. You will find the statement that a "C" at Bates is an "A" anywhere else. Is the Princeton Review garbage for this statement? Is this being elitist, or is this a college that has high expectations? I think you may be confusing the two entities.

For the record, I dont agree with anything that went on at Bates last night. it was simply disgusting, and I hope their drunken butts are prosecuted. I will never condone that sort of behavior anywhere or from anyone.

I am sorry you are disappointed that you do not find Bates has much to offer. You are entitled to this opinion, and I am not going to attempt to change it. Mainerunr, I actually find you quite tiresome, as I do with the rest of the posters who make gross assumptions. What would you call me? Not only and I a Bates grad, I am a "townie". I have seen both ends of the spectrum. Should I assume all Lewiston residents are ignorant neanderthals? NO, I dont think this, but there will always be a small percentage of any population who are "amrchair experts" on such matters and confabulate their opinion as fact.

Allisa Milliard's picture

how much money do batses

how much money do batses spend at wall mart or local stores is not comparable to the amounts spent by the rest of us year round. according to the batses all police are bad for stopping them from hurting themselves or those around them. i see more then just batses volunteering. educate yourself on what this community has to offer itself. you are all so wrapped up in yourselves and what you bring that you don't see what we have or can teach you. also, the majority of working people in this are do not work at bates college. lewiston, maine, and the world in general do not revolve around bates college.

Audrey Alcala's picture

Very impressive

How impressive to see those college students all drunked up,bloodied up and looking stupid! Will they be our next congressmen? Lawyers? Teachers? Wonder what they were there studying? Their names should be in the paper, the parents should be paying for all this as well as the costs of the injured policeman. Yes, all college students drink and have fun.......but to get this out of control? Please.............

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

10% participation in such an

10% participation in such an uncivil act is a pretty damn significant number.

Pauline Gudas's picture

Elitist Bates

Bates has always operated on a very differnt stabdard than the taxpayers of Lewiston. The Bates Security Dept. does the best job it can. You have to remember that most of them are retired cops and work for the college. Bates does not want it's students to be subject to Maine laws. The Bates College administrators and their lawyers will be on the phone or in the DA's office DEMANDING that no info on the arrested students be released and that they not be prosecuted. Heck they will probably bail the students out and put them on a plane home. It will not be the first time that Bates College interferes with a police investigation.

Kevin Hanscombe's picture

Social republic of Bates College

The College operates in a bubble and shields these kids from the real world. They dont pay any taxes, they do nothing for the city of Lewiston its host city. The students have an elitist mind set and attitude. I am sure the college will want to downplay this as much as possible.. It's all about the money. Good job LPD.. hope the officer is ok!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

And, they get to vote and

And, they get to vote and affect the outcome of our elections.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Hey, tron...the parrot

Hey, tron...the parrot thought you'd gone down to Niceragua to join the revolution...Good to see you're still here, blowing the same old smoke.

Laurie Bryant's picture

Cranky Yankee, you are misinformed

Your gross generalization just fuels the fire that all Bates students are bad eggs with money. Where did you get your information to base your statement????

I would like you to know that I was accepted at two ivy league schools and opted for Bates because Bates had better programs, a great student to faculty ratio, I would never be taught by a teaching assistant, had a better perccentage of students being accepted into med school than some of the ivies, and a much more warm, friendly community. I had a friend who turned down Yale because she liked Bates more. SO, to say that Bates is sub-par is ridiculous. Did you go to Bates?

Who are these notorious alumni???? Inform me. I want to see both sides.

Laurie Bryant's picture

Do you actually think that is

Do you actually think that is a question during the admissions process, "Do you drink a lot". Um, NO. If you base your admissions acceptance on whether a student drinks or not is discriminatory. Drinking is not part of the criteria to gain admissions at Bates or any other institution of higher learning. DO you think that Bates is the only institution that deals with students that drink heavily? Many student first start to drink during college, NOT before. Bates is not a 12-step program, they do not intend to "save" people.

And no, Bates has no legal obligation to admit students that need financial aid to "look good". Where do you get your information? I am baffled by the opinions expressed here. Have you ever talked to someone at Bates admissions? FYI, Bates has one of the smallest endowments of any similar school in the nation. If they could, they would offer a greater amount of financial aid. I worked on the admissions committee and know this for a fact.

I am going to go out on a limb here, as I try to see both sides of the story, but I do have to say that you need to come out of under your rock and base your assumptions on fact.

RONALD RIML's picture

Why on financial aid??

Gotta justify and spend the endowment somehow, eh....

Laurie Bryant's picture

Thank you Beantown861. It is

Thank you Beantown861. It is completely ignorant for anyone to think that Bates admits studens who have money and no brains. It is damn hard to get into Bates, and it is a very tough school once you get in. A "C" at Bates is an "A" anywhere else. Look at the stats, and you will see this is not true. I am a "local" who went to bates based on my GPA and community involvement-----this earned me a full scholarship. I am now a third year medical student and the education at Bates is the foundation of my success in Med School. For all of you out there who think all Bates students are like the ones featured in this article, you are grossly misinformed. I think these idiots on the front page are just that--idiots. Thats does not mean they are not academically smart, it means that they make ridiculously dumb decisions. And yes, I hope that they are held accountable for their actions. They are not representative of the Bates---they are deviants from the norm.

I challenge all of you with misinformed opinions about Bates students and the Bates community at large to learn more about the campus and the contributions of the college to the community. Have a solid base for your opinions, rather than base you opinions on heresay or what others think. Yes, there are many wealthy students at Bates, but there are many (like me, aka not wealthy) who took advantage of all opportunities and found success at Bates. Go to a concert, walk through Olin Arts, check out the Earth Day celebration, attend MLK Day lectures, look at the community service projects done by Batesies. Dont assume, inform yourself!

I am proud to be a Bates Grad '03 and I find it disgusting that these ignorant drunken fools bring shame upon a school that does not promote this sort of behavior. Please dont be so judgemental about ALL Batesies being "whiny rich kids". It is not true. Thank you.

Allisa Milliard's picture

you may not all be "rich",

you may not all be "rich", but you are certainly whinny and elitist.

Allisa Milliard's picture

actually things are being

actually things are being done by hard working townies to attract and create businesses. you are aware that when college lets out for summer, we don't close down the town, right? we somehow muddle through it all without you? also, you're so wonderful that the people who built this town and community and pay taxes and work here and live here are abhorrent to you? and lisbon is such a waste compared to the wonders that are you, right? what an elitist piece of parrot dropping.

Allisa Milliard's picture

rich daddies will pay to make

rich daddies will pay to make this all "go away". these snob brats will feel no pain nor shame for their actions.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Obviously, you've never

Obviously, you've never footed the bill to put a kid through college. You'd see it differently, friend.

 's picture

What's happening?

To inform that Istratii broad that was yelled at! It was none of your business what was happening if you could not figure out for yourself with all of the punk kids being stupid around you and causing the cops to break up their card games or whatever they do unless college kids break out of their cages in the middle of the night. Who does this poor broad think she is that she has to be told anything?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The parrot wonders how sober

The parrot wonders how sober SHE was.

Bob Stone's picture

Broken Leg in Two Places

Sgt. Ullrich suffered a broken leg in the incident. Not Bates College's finest hour.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Great point, road..

Great point, road..

Allisa Milliard's picture

you get respect by earning

you get respect by earning respect. just as any disorderly drunken jerk would be chastised by the group, you are now feeling it. the posts from batsies write about how unfair they were all treated, read them yourself. ask why they feel this way. is it because they really don't believe that their own personal actions have personal consequences? there are batsies actually comparing their drunken party to the civil rights movement. how insulting is that? they are blogging about suing the LPD and making us "look bad" as if that matters. if i was drunk and disobeyed an officer and got arrested, i would protest but know i am wrong and did wrong. as an adult i would be ultamitly forced to take responsibility for my actions. leave the double speak to "1984".

It's too bad

the students were expecting the police to kind and happy to see them in the early morning hours...welcome to the real world rich kids. I'm sure there will be more to come about this.

party

Better yet bill the kids and parents for thr co$t!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Great idea, Bob

Great idea, Bob

Andrew Haughey's picture

Bates Drunks

Apparently a Bates education does not include a law imput, otherwhise they would know you are only given your 'rights' when you are questioned for the offence you have been arrested, and certainly not on the street in a public order situation. Well done for the departments involved in this difficult and dangerous situaiton, there are few things worse than being vastly outnumbered by aggressive drunks.

 's picture

Bates Student!

Qualityed- You may have the right to be proud but I would be ashamed that this many student idiots almost cause a riot in the name of celebrating at my University! Everyone one of them should spend some time in a tent city like that nice Sheriff out in AZ runs. Bologna sandwichs, etc. Clean up city streets, collect garbage.

Laurie Bryant's picture

To Leavittdollface---

You are entitled to your opinion, but I also have the right to counter your notion that "Bates really isn't that great of a school". Why so you think this? Am I stupid for choosing Bates over my acceptances at Johns Hopkins, Bowdoin, Williams and Tulane? I dont know how I got into Med school if Bates wasnt a good school. It is indeed a great institution of highter learning, and there is nothing that can counter that, not even an episode of drunken madness. FYI, cant buy your way into Med school and contrary to popular belief, you dont buy your way into Bates either (I served on the admissions committee and dealt with the inner-workings of the admissions process).

Also, you dont get it when "people are suppose to be smart, then why are being arrested for being drunk" Drinking has nothing to do with intellegence...So are you saying that people that go to supposedly "good" schools, ie Harvard and Yale, dont get ridiculously drunk? You are very misinformed if this is the core of your belief. I have been on the Harvard campus and witnesed a student that fell out of a second story window after a huge party was broken up. Wonder how many neurons that Harvard student killed that night.....DO you really think that the same thing does not go on at UMaine, USM, Colby, or any other university? Granted, it does not make it right, but dont say it happens exclusively at Bates. I worked in a busy ER for three years and saw many students who were treated for alcohol poisioning (fyi, stomach pumping is not the favored treatment anymore, ask an ER doc). I ALSO say many people who were not college students admitted for alcohol poisoning. Touche.

I agree, I am glad they were arrested. If you act like an moron, then you deserve the consequences. As for being "embarassed" about saying I am a Bates grad, i feel quite the contrary. I am proud of Bates and my accomplishments there. These jerks are not representitive of the institution, but unfortunately they do marr the reputation.

I see your screen name is "Leavittdollface". I just happen to be a Leavitt grad too, and I am assuming that you may have went there too. Should I be embarassed of Leavitt because of your ignorant comments about Bates being a crap school, and your belief that all Bates students are drunken fools that "walk around late at night drunk and swearing, that is a great college student. Remind me again, why a school with a now trashed name would want to tell all the new students for the fall that they are a great learning institute when they aren't. " Should I think that Leavitt is a crap high school because they turn out one student (ie, you, if you are indeed a Leavitt grad) who makes assumptions and bases his/her opinion of an entire college based on a habitually drunken few? Should I be embarassed of Leavitt? The answers are NO, NO, and NO.

Allisa Milliard's picture

there is a fine line between

there is a fine line between "a celebration" and "disorderly conduct" when alcohol is involved. even the most enlightened students of life can easily cross this line. people were already getting hurt at this "celebration". what would have happened if there was a death? you would have all been crying about how everyone else should have stopped it from happening, and condemned LPD and everyone else. grow up. we all pay the price to dance with the piper.

Allisa Milliard's picture

i was only lighting matches,

i was only lighting matches, its not like the house burnt down. this time. its called adults who can see unsafe behavior and stop it before anyone dies.

Allisa Milliard's picture

lightening a match doesn't

lightening a match doesn't automatically burn down a house, neither does just having a drinking party. the point is that both are risky behaviors that can get out of control quickly. the match lighter may not see that the lit match went into a pile of flamables because he knows what he's doing , and a party goer may not notice people getting hurt because he knows what he's doing. someone tries to stop match guy from burning down the house because they can see the danger. police try to break up a large party because they can see the danger. it all comes down to having the experience to see the danger in a situation, and knowing when to stop. the drunk kids didn't know that they were in danger, and fought those who did, making it all the worse.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Nice post, but it doesn't

Nice post, but it doesn't negate the fact that these 200 drunks last night were lacking in their comprehension of the definition of law and order.

RONALD RIML's picture

I can attest to their usual, azzhole behavior...

When I worked in L/A a number of years ago I lived a half-block from the Frey Street residence halls and union. Every Friday/Saturday night (and occasionally during the week) it was the same old crap - kids who couldn't or wouldn't hold their booze - yelling, bellowing, screaming, mating calls, cars screeching - you name it. We would have neighbohood meetings with Bates Administration, which was about as useless as tits on a boar-hog.

The only thing I didn't hear was gun shots - otherwise it was like being back working the low rent districts south of Chicago. Except those folks usually obeyed the cops and didn't feel an inflated sense of entitlement..

Marie  Lavallee Pike's picture

Bates kids

every Thursday night, the college kids go up our street and most of the time are rowdy and destructive. They usually break picket fences from several of the houses the whole length of the street.
You ask, why not call the police? Well before the police get there, the students are GONE.....
We always are grateful for May and end of the school year.
Not saying all the students that attend Bates are this way, but wish they could all use some
adult judgement before going out in the adult world.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

It's always the cops' fault;

It's always the cops' fault; or George Bush

RONALD RIML's picture

Don't forget O'Bummer!!!

Don't forget O'Bummer!!!

Dan Moody's picture

Party

So I see that Bates College does not have a Police Department ? Why in the hell did this get out of hand in the 1st place ??????????? Bates College of all places ........ Party on ?????? $$$$$$

party

Imagine that college kids drinking!

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