Citizens vent about council politics

LEWISTON — About 60 people gathered in a Ramada Inn conference room Wednesday to complain about city politics and the City Council, to look over potential council candidates for the November election and to organize.

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Mark Paradis announces during a forum held at the Ramada Conference Center on Wednesday that he will run for mayor of Lewiston.

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Nick Knowlton of Lewiston tells citizens at a forum held at the Ramada Conference Center on Wednesday that he will not run for mayor of Lewiston.

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Norman Boulay of Lewiston signs a petition to nominate Mark Paradis as a mayoral candidate at a citizen forum held at the Ramada Conference Center in Lewiston on Wednesday.

"We're venting tonight, and that's what we need to do," said Mark Paradis, candidate for mayor. "That's OK. But we also have to find a way to tell the citizens and the city employees that we can really have a responsible council and mayor without all the chair slamming and the walking out of the room."

The meeting was part candidate rally, part town hall, part organizational meeting. People listened to City Council President Tom Peters, several former councilors and possible candidates talk about ousting Mayor Larry Gilbert and the whole City Council.

They signed petitions urging the sitting council not to hire a new city administrator. Peters said he planned to make it an issue at the council's next meeting Aug. 18.

"I hope we get a lot of people to show up and urge the council to do the right thing, and put off a decision," he said. "Then, I guess we'll see what they do."

Peters and his brother, Ward 2 Councilor Nelson Peters, cast the only two votes last month against firing City Administrator Jim Bennett. Both of them voted against buying out Bennett's contract.

Tom Peters defended Bennett on Wednesday, saying he was a good administrator who had been treated unfairly by councilors. But Wednesday's meeting was not designed to find a way to rehire Bennett.

"That's a decision that neither I nor any of the sitting councilors should make," Peters said. "It should be something left up to the next council, whether it's the incumbents or new people."

Tom Peters has said he won't run again for his Ward 1 seat. Nelson Peters is circulating nomination papers. But Wednesday he said he'd decided not to run after all. He threw his support behind former Ward 2 Councilor Renee Bernier.

Bernier stepped down from the council two years ago because she could not work with Mayor Larry Gilbert, she said. She'll be happy to come back to the council because she's sure Gilbert will be gone after the election.

"There is no doubt in my mind now that we will have a new mayor," Bernier said. "There just was no working with that individual before. He made everything very, very difficult."

Local performer Nick Knowlton said he has taken out nomination papers to seek the mayor's job. During the meeting, Knowlton said he instead would throw support behind Paradis, a former city councilor.

That disappointed a number of his fans, and Knowlton said he was reconsidering running.

"I don't have anything against Mark," Knowlton said. "I just think that the person in the mayor's job needs to be a great cheerleader, and I'd be a great cheerleader. I'm not interested in being a legislator."

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jack armstrong's picture

Oh Mna, I almost

Oh Mna, I almost forgot...How could I forget the ultra sweet deal Mr Bennet tried to get for us selling the Dump to Cassella.

Oh Yeah man was there an outcry from the Citizens of Lewiston upset withthe Council for voting that deal down too.

Yeah, That Mr Bennett is soooo Wicked Smarht!

jack armstrong's picture

I personally have been well

I personally have been well pleased by this council. Granted there is personal friction amongst the members , but having been a lifelong resident I have to say that has not been the least bit out of line for most councils.

By and large this council has been head and shoulders above prior council that was mostly a Jim Bennet rubber stamp.

I read a lot of comments about what a wonderfull administrator Mr Bennet was, and how smart and talented he is.

Could someone please tell me what he accomplished that was positive in this city?

From pushing the takeover of the Collissee and sinking how many millions of dollars in it.

I remember when he pushed the council to undertake this he assured us all that he the MBA had run the numbers and could see where we could make some real money with it. When he wanted the expensive facade he said we needed to run it like a business and invest in it.

What we got was swelled heads and self important administrator and yearly subsiudy bills to the tune of 100 grand a year . We finally got out by sellinhg for what, 1 Mill? And at that no paymnet for 4 years?

Oh Yeah, Man was that a sweet deal or what. Jim is so smarht! Bates mill complex deal weren't much bettah!.

What economic develpment has been announced since Greg Mitchel left and Mr Bennet decided he was going to take on that mantle as well and not give Linc Jeffers a raise for his extra responsibilities?

Thank goodness Mr Bennets plan to have the city take over ambulance service whithered on the vine or we would be having another black hole of financial loss there as well.

Thank you Mr Bennet also for the Rain tax. that was a sweet deal as well.

Nope, other than Mr Bennets handling of crowd control when the racists wanted to come to Lewiston to speak after mayor Raymonds letter to the Somali community I really can't see where he did so many great things.

Perhaps some of you could give specifics on what he did that was so great to back up the platitudes.

All American City? What has that done for the city?

I mean concretely what has it gotten us???

Yeah, I want a councill that carefully considers the budget and asks the dept heasds for their input without having everything filtered by the City Manager.

I want the City manager to take direction from the council and work in the direction our elected officials give to him.

i don't much care for a City Manager who eggs the council on with a "cryptic It only takes four votes to buy me out"

Who among you would put up with that from an employee day in and day out?

I want a City manager who is not playing one faction off against the other in the council.

Mr Gilbert ran for mayor on a strong anti Bennet platform and overwhelmingly won against mr Rousseau who ran on a More fo the same platform. Mr Bennet ticked off large parts of this city.

The current council all mostly ran on a platform to not be a rubber stamp to Mr Bennett.

thank you current council for freeing us of the Collissee Black hole.

Thank you for removing that stupid law requring Building owners to shove l the sidewalks owned by the city and not the building owners. (What a piece of excrement that law was... Why not make us shovel the cities streets for them too, and sweep them after the snow melted)

Thank you for holding Mr Bennet's feet to the fire and deciding on your own if his plans and desires were good.

Thank you for Firing Mr bennett and going in a new direction.

tightlines's picture

Well stated dr. dosh. Sadly

Well stated dr. dosh. Sadly enough however, some of those posting on this subject today probably knew 1/10th of the words you used. I also agree with Keith's three points. Robert 61, it is time that you listen to your constituants, which encompasses all residents of the city, whether you agree or not. Hiding behind "passion" for the job does not provide a cloak to cover personal agenda. As a member of a city council, all personal agendas should be checked at the door!

Robert61's picture

Tightlines, would your last

Tightlines, would your last sentence apply to all councilors or just those you disagree with?

Rinoblast's picture

A transcript of the meeting

A transcript of the meeting last night:
Peters: Ravvle Ravvle ravvle!
Crowd: Here here! ravvle ravvle ravvle...

Brian_L's picture

In the video Tom Peters says

In the video Tom Peters says "We don't need people running for office with axes to grid." But then in the article it says his brother Nelson Peters is not running and throwing his support behind former Ward 2 Councilor Renee Bernier. Then it continues to state "Bernier stepped down from the council two years ago because she could not work with Mayor Larry Gilbert, she said. She'll be happy to come back to the council because she's sure Gilbert will be gone after the election." Doesn't this sound like someone with an axe to grid.
Sure it seems stupid to be paying someone you fired for one more year but he isn't an elected official and if the City council (who are elected officials) have the right to fire him then it is up to them to make this desision. But, unlike that Peters said it seems like the people that are in the most uproar about it are people with axes to grid. Most had been on the Lewiston city council or seem to be buddies with someone involved in this mess.
Politics in Lewiston seems to be all buddy/buddy. They're all a bunch of nagging ninnies. I don't think anyone that is on or was on the city council should be elected next time. Hell at this point I would rather vote for someone that isn't even from this city.

Keith's picture
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Robert61 -- some unsolicited

Robert61 -- some unsolicited advice: 1. You should consider refraining from commenting on almost every post; it weakens your opinion. 2. Posting as much as you do makes it appear that you take most of these comments personally, which is not a good trait for an elected official. 3. True leaders spend more time listening than they do talking; sometimes followers (voters, employees, etc.) just want to vent or be heard.

concerned KD's picture

Robert- If you think that

Robert- If you think that the only people entitled to voice they're opinion of you, the council and the buisiness of the city of Lewiston are people who live within your ward you are sadly mistaken. You serve your ward but as a member of the council you serve the whole city. That gives every person who lives, works, or has family that is effected by the councils decisions and actions to speak theyre mind and post they're opinions. If you feel this is wrong then you are not serving the interests of the city. Just your neighbors in your ward. Thats a pretty small scope when your vote spends all of the taxpayers money, Not just the people in your wards money. You have an obligation to all of Lewiston not just your ward, and your pompus attitude towards your duty is repulsive. Also go ahead and change your sunj name. We will still know who you are by the things you write. Your arrogance is apparently something you dont have control over and will seep thru on your posts. Hopefully the people in your ward start to see you for the sub standard rep that you are and vote you to go home after your day of work. You may be good with numbers but you need to work on your people skills.Good luck with the campaign. Hope it getts hot enough for ya.

AllarieLarsen's picture

I'm still wondering what

I'm still wondering what egregious behavior Mr. Bennett displayed that got him fired....anyone?

Keith's picture
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In the world of city and

In the world of city and county managers, no egregious behavior is necessary -- just a majority of council votes. In my 25+ years of local and state government service, I've seen "at will" leaders fired due to the wind direction, and I've seen others do things that make you wonder why they're still on the job. However, it has gotten much better over the past few decades, but the average tenure of a city/county manager is still less than 5 years.

Keith's picture
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In the world of city and

In the world of city and county managers, no egregious behavior is necessary -- just a majority of council votes. In my 25+ years of local and state government service, I've seen "at will" leaders fired due to the wind direction, and I've seen others do things that make you wonder why they're still on the job. However, it has gotten much better over the past few decades, but the average tenure of a city/county manager is still less than 5 years.

Brian_L's picture

WOW! 60 whole people out of

WOW! 60 whole people out of a city of 38,000 very impressive!

I was surprised by one thing in this article,
"That disappointed a number of his fans, and Knowlton said he was reconsidering running."

Nick Knowlton has fans?!?!?

Brian_L's picture

WOW! 60 whole people out of

WOW! 60 whole people out of a city of 38,000 very impressive!

I was surprised by one thing in this article,
"That disappointed a number of his fans, and Knowlton said he was reconsidering running."

Nick Knowlton has fans?!?!?

AUBURNITE's picture

Robert don't you work for a

Robert don't you work for a living? It seems that this issue has consumed your every waking moment. I' am sure your employer is just as happy with you these days as you were with Mr. Bennett. One thing different is that he got productive things accomplished during the day! What do you do?

concerned KD's picture

Robert I dont know what you

Robert I dont know what you were hearing in Toms voice but I didnt get passion. I heard the tone of DISGUST. Disgust with the methods and priorities of the current councilors. I and many could not agree with him more. Bravo Tom Peters for having the courage and integrity to do what is right for the city of Lewiston. It is refereshing to see someone with a conscience and a drive to do the right thing for the people of this city. Its too bad the remaining councilors dont see him as a leader and follow his lead. If they did we would finally have a council that gets things done. ROBERT- As far as your passion goes you just keep letting it lead you and Im sure you will surely chew your foot right off. And after we hear you apologise for just about everything you say, even those who support you will see you are a windbag that just wont run out of hot air. So please keep doing what your doing and secure your place on your couch on council meeting night. Cant wait to see you not there...

Robert61's picture

Concerned - is disgust not a

Concerned - is disgust not a type of passion? I was disgusted with a former administrator and voted to remove him - and its called passion...this is going to be a fun 3 months until I'm re-elected. I guess I'll have to change my name on here so i can come in here anonymously from now on and you won't ever know its me. it amazes me that people who don't even live in my ward and who don't have the intestinal fortitude to show their real name and location suddenyl think they are pollsters and know how the election will fall...in the meantime, I'll keep talking to the citizens of my ward and helping them any way i can - dog parks, chickens in the yard - all the things that drive some of you crazy, but don't cost the citizens tax dollars. It's been a blast people,but now it's going to get even hotter - time to turn up the heat a bit!

sickenedlewistonian's picture

OH and I would like to see

OH and I would like to see the petitions as I want to put my name on it stopping the current council from choosing the new administrator.

Robert61's picture

The petition would not stop

The petition would not stop the council from doing anything, other than showing the true number and maes of people who are dissatisfied, all it takes is 4 votes to keep the process moving. The citizens petitions we allow to take out of city hall specifically ensure that employee decisions and actions are exempt from citizen review.

sickenedlewistonian's picture

Robert first of all my name

Robert first of all my name is Paul and I live in unfortunately Denis Theriaults ward. As for the ladies I didnt say you called them puppets I called them puppets as I have to see or hear them speak out or voice their OWN oppions on here. Secondly even if you do rush through hiring a new administrator keep in mind your work can always be undone by the next council. Seems to me that a whole new council is definitely a way to go because most of you are acting worse than any kids ive ever had to baby sit in my life. Seems you Denis and Larry have forgotten that there is no I in team and refuse to work together because they others dont share your view all because Denis and Larry got their hands slapped for doing what they have absolutely no right doing. Seems to me Denis is out to just be supreme ruler of lewiston. The mayor should stick to doing what his job entails which is kissing babies and cutting ribbons that is the ONLY authority he plays other than being a tie breaker. And im appalled that you and other members would allow a personnel issue to be put before the board. Yes im talking bout the woman who QUIT her job to go work in another state and bad mouths the city before leaving and when she finds out the grass aint greener on the other side wants her job back and when she is told no you, denis an larry allow her to bring her complaint before the city council. Did you 3 NOT learn anything from the meeting with the city attorney where he told you all that you have NOOOOOOOO say in personnel matters????? Seems you 3 hear what you want to hear and think you still have supreme rule. If you really care about your ward and the city you 3 will follow the Peters and not run again and allow a new TEAM get in and make us the city we should be.

Enoch's picture

The woman who quit and

The woman who quit and wanted her job back is Doreen Christ and she has turned in her completed papers for Office. She is running for the Lewiston City Councillor position for Ward 2. Think she'll be coming in with any agenda if elected?

Robert61's picture

Paul, Check the council

Paul, Check the council records, twice when the employee brought the matter before the council I was the one asking that she not speak as it was a personnel matter and as such was not in our control to handle. I then brought a motion before the council, knowing it would fail, but wanting the votes to end the matter - charter says it takes 6 to open an investigation. I brought the motion simply to end the further discussion and get it back where it belongs - inthe hands of the administrator as its a personnel issue. Better keep it short, Im on my lunch break...

sickenedlewistonian's picture

I feel Mr. Peters and fellow

I feel Mr. Peters and fellow citizens are right that the current city council refrain from hiring a new administrator and allow the NEW council to do the hiring. Jim your absolutely right the council needs to hire an administrator and do his job ADMINISTRATE. The administrator does not make policy for the city that is the job of the council goes along with the old saying I dont make the rules its just my job to enforce them. Robert you talk about passion for the job of councilor I believe you do have passion but the passion to do what YOU want not whats best for the city. I for one am sad to see the Peters leave the council as I feel they are the only level headed people on the council and yes Robert you are correct that the females on the council sit there like puppets and vote majority because they are too chicken to speak their minds. I encourage EVERYONE in wards 1 & 2 to write in the Peters as a candidate on voting day if we get rid of the rest of them maybe then the city can finally become once again the flurishing city it once was and lose the name "The Armpit of Maine"

Robert61's picture

Sickened -I never said the

Sickened -I never said the ladies were puppets, I was referencing someone elses statement. But let me ask you this - were they also puppets when they voted in liason with the peters brothers all those times or was that purely coincidence?

Mike Peters's picture
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The people at this meeting

The people at this meeting expressed themselves very well. It is time for a new beginning, and this council and Larry Gilbert need to go. We need a mayor with no agenda and no personal political stake. If a person wants to be in the legislature, or be governor, then he/she should run for that office. Also, lame duck councilors with only a few months to serve should not be saddling a new council with an administrator. Let the new council pick the new administrator and be in charge of their own fresh start. Hopefully, the new council, and the new mayor, will realize that it is not their job to micromanage the city and they will carefully weigh their choice of an administrator with that fact in mind. They need to examine the past record very carefully and see if the candidates words compliment the actions. The new council needs to carefully set and arrange its priorities and then allow the new administrator to implement the policies and manage the day to day activities without interference from council members. Towns and cities often make mistakes in governing, but the biggest mistake is in not carefully reviewing the methods of operation od a potential administrator. Hiring the correct person is paramount, and then understanding the role of a council after hiring is very very important. So bottom line, Tom Peters has it correct. Please say goodbye to this council and mayor and let them fade into the sunset. I hope the current council members, those that voted to remove the administrator, will fade away and at last put the people of Lewiston first.

Robert61's picture

Jim, your use of the lame

Jim, your use of the lame duck is interesting but only applies to both the peters who have stated they will not run again. Feel free to use the lame duck term after the election on anyone not re-elected, but until then I am the Ward 7 Councilor and will do my job as I see fit. Does anyone find it odd that the people who are accusing Councilor Theriault and myself of bullying the 2 female councilors into voting as they did are not intent on trying to bully the current council into not making a decision....now thats truly ironic! But the best irony of all is that the city policy on citizen referendum and petitions clearly states any matters connected to personnel are excluded from eligibility, and that rule swas crafted by Jim Bennett himself. I urge the citizens of Ward 7 to speak directly with me and ask those questions you have.

Robert61's picture

Passion is why many run for

Passion is why many run for office, its why many of us chose to get involved and I could clearly hear passion in Mr. Peters comments and tone. Heck, one could argue that those running against incumbents now are doing so because of passion for one man and the decision that affected that man. Would the citizens really want a council that is dispassionate, cold and votes purely on logic? If thats the case you have to look at some of the votes taken in the past by each and every councilor, inlcuding past councils. It clearly was not logic that caused them to vote as they did. There is a great editorial in today's Twin City TImes that perfectly sums up all that has occurred and well worth reading, regardless fo where you stand on the issue. I will allow my passion to help guide me, and that means I might have to apologize when that passion overtakes me, but I will do so as long as the voters wish to have me serve.

Winterbear98's picture

WOW NO WONDER WE HAVE SO

WOW
NO WONDER WE HAVE SO MANY POT HOLES IN THE CITY LETS VOTE ALL THE HOT HEADS OUT THE PEOPLE SHOULD FIRED THE TWO HOT HEADS. I HOPE YOU HOT HEAD KNOW WHAT DIRRECTIONS YOU ARE GOING FOR THE CITY OF LEWISTON WATCH OUT FOR ALL THE LARGE POTHOLES EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY LEWISTON THE WAY LIFE SHOUNDNT BE

INLINE4NUT's picture

L/A its happeninh Here

L/A its happeninh Here Ha!Ha! As my friend who runs a very nice chinesse resturant says "you funny guy !" Mark Paradise as Mayor another joke Nicky boy the cheerleader what the Hell are the people of Lewiston thinking of ?????? I will continue to watch the Circus and Laugh !!!!
Larry Gilbert has served the City well and he maybe off his rocker only because he wants the job !!! Thanks for a fine job Larry !

Enoch's picture

Reed and Theriault keep

Reed and Theriault keep bearing all the heat for the poor practices, controversy and mounting legal bills incurred by this Council's decisions. Have Dube, Bailey and Poulin left the Country? Why isn't anyone holding the, monkey (tell us what to) see, monkey (tell us what to) do, crowd accountable, or pressing them for an explanation? Their votes however blindly cast week after week count just as much as Captain and co-captain of this cuckoo nest.

Robert61's picture

There are no "mounting legal

There are no "mounting legal bills" for this decision. The cost was what was incurred to have the attorney present that evening.

Enoch's picture

Seems the attorney is

Seems the attorney is popping up everytime the Council assembles lately. He's doing that for free is he?

Rinoblast's picture

So essentially 2 of the

So essentially 2 of the former councilors are going to run on the "We liked Jim and gave him that super-sweet 1am contract deal! Oh, and we hate Larry..." platform? And Peter's doesn't want passion, and is standing behind Bernier/Paradis, people who you could pin any number of decisions as illogical/passionate? (The colisee for one)

Ginger1's picture

IF RENEE BERNIER GETS IN

IF RENEE BERNIER GETS IN AGAIN IS SHE GOING TO "STEP DOWN" IF/WHEN HER CONSTITUENTS NEED HER TO REPRESENT THEM THE MOST, LIKE SHE DID LAST TIME? SHE COULDN'T GET ALONG WITH LARRY GILBERT,SO THATS REASON TO LEAVE HER CONSTITUENTS WITHOUT REPRESENTATION? NOW SHE'S GONNA COME SAVE THE DAY? THE CONSTITUENTS OF HER WARD NEED SOMEONE TO FIGHT FOR THEM IN DIFFICULT TIMES,NOT SOMEONE WHO QUITS IN DIFFICULT TIMES. IF QUITTING IS AN OPTION FOR YOU ,YOU SHOULDN'T BE RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL.

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