Welfare will get a workout in this election

Welfare is a hot topic any time, no more so than in an election year.

Candidates of all stripes seem to agree that some people deserve it and others do not. Pledges to get the undeserving ones off the taxpayers' backs are always popular.

As if on cue, welfare has become a hot topic in this year's race for Maine governor, with several Republican candidates claiming that too many Mainers are receiving benefits that are far too generous.

One, Matt Jacobson, said in a column Sunday that an out-of-state company ultimately decided not to locate here because it "couldn't compete" with the generosity of our welfare system.

The company, Jacobson said, was offering jobs paying $35,000-$40,000 per year. If true, that is certainly remarkable and cause for alarm.

Maine's "welfare" rolls have increased in recent years.

MaineCare, which generally provides health care services for poorer Mainers, had 237,569 "members" in 2003. In April 2010, it had 53,210 more enrollees, a 22 percent increase.

TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) has also increased, but mostly during the past year.

The program handled 12,293 cases in 2003, and 13,920 in April 2010. That's an increase of 1,627, but 732 of those came over the past year as the economy went into recession.

The debate over the role of "welfare" seems certain to continue into this fall's general election.

While debate is healthy, we hope the candidates will avoid throwing around some common misconceptions about Maine's TANF program.

The first, which we've already seen, is that people get on TANF and stay there forever.

The fact, according to the Maine Department of Health and Human Services, is that eligibility is reviewed each month and there are time limits. All recipients must have a plan for self-sufficiency.

It's not as if you sign up for life and the state automatically sends you a check each month.

About 85 percent of recipients receive benefits for two years or less. Again, according to DHHS, since the program began in 1997, 63,000 Maine families have left the TANF program, and 71 percent received benefits for one year or less.

Another myth: There is a lot of fraud in Maine's TANF program.

Fact: Maine's documented rate of fraud is 0.2 percent, compared to a national rate of 4 percent, according to DHHS.

Myth: People move to Maine for our generous benefits.

Again, according to the DHHS: "Maine has the lowest TANF benefits in New England. Over the past five years, more than five times as many people on welfare left Maine than moved in."

Myth: TANF benefits are so high people lose their incentive to work.

Again, according to DHHS, Maine has the highest rate of working TANF recipients in New England.

Even when food stamps are included, TANF families are 35 percent below the federal poverty level, which in 2008 was $21,834 for a family of four with two children under 18.

By the way, two-thirds of the TANF recipients are children, not adults.

Nobody ever wants undeserving people to receive benefits. On the other hand, most of us see a need for temporary programs to help people in a pinch get back on their feet, especially children.

We expect candidates to not just criticize the current system, but to detail how they would better accomplish those goals.

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TURNITAROUND's picture
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THIS CAN BE FIXED

THIS CAN BE FIXED IF WE STOP FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER AND ALL WORK FOR A COMMON GOAL. THE SYSTEM SHOULD BE ADOPTING NEW REGULATIONS
1. TIME SENSITIVE, ONLY PROVIDE A TIME SENSITIVE HELPING HAND FOR PEOPLE IN TRUE NEED.
2. FAMILIES WOULD BE SEEKING EMPLOYMENT IF THE FUNDS STOP COMING TO THE MAILBOX.
3. WITH MORE PEOPLE OUT SEEKING EMPLOYMENT THE BUSINESSES WOULD BE MORE SECURE TO STAY/MOVE TO MAINE.
4. TIMELINE ENFORCED, A FAMILY NEEDS TO BE OUT WORKING IN A DESIGNATED TIME FRAME AS THE BENEFITS WILL STOP ON A DESIGNATED DATE.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS YOUND AND RASING MY KIDS I HAD TO WORK MANY HOURS,FUND MY CHILDCARE, STREAMLINED A DOLLAR FOR FOOD AND CLOTHES AND LIVE IN SOME AREAS THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE SELECTED BY CHOICE. BECAUSE OF THE HARDSHIPS I MADE BETTER CHOICES FOR MY FAMILY INCLUDING COLLEGE. THE POINT IS NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME START IN LIFE WHICH MAY BLOCK THEIR HIDDEN POTENTIAL BUT WITH OUT A PUSH IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THEY WILL NEVER HAVE TO MAKE IT ON THEIR OWN. I HOPE ONE DAY THE DHHS SYSTEM WILL CALL ME FOR A SOLUTION, THE STATE WOULD LOOK VERY DIFFERENT IN A SHORT TIME. I WILL WAIT FOR THE THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE RESPONCES AND HOPE MORE PEOPLE SEE WHAT IS NEEDED TO CUT THE MIS-USE OF THE WELAFRE SYSTEM. I ALSO KNOW THAT MANY WILL POST CONCERNS ABOUT THE "FALL-OUT" BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, PEOPLE NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CHOICES IN LIFE. I THINK PEOPLE WOULD MAKE BETTER CHOICES IF THEY HAD TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELF AND THEIR FAMILIES RATHER THAN CALLING THE STATE WORKER TO REPORT THAT THAY ARE HAVING ANOTHER BABY AND NOW WANT INCREASED BENEFITS. BEFORE I GET ALL THE FLACK, I DO WORK IN THE SYSTEM, I ONLY WORK WITH VERY HIGH RISK CLIENTS AND YES THEY ARE CLOSED OUT WHEN THEIR NEEDS ARE MET. I ALSO ENCOURAGE THEM TO ENGAGE IN EDUCATION,TRAINING OR V.R. NOW HERE IS A CONCEPT "A PROVIDER WITH A CLUE" WORKING TO MOTIVATE CLIENT'S IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. LET'S ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.

Pirate's picture
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Hey, they took out the junk

Hey, they took out the junk peddler's ad. Nice.

Pirate's picture
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Take your lousy junk to the

Take your lousy junk to the roadside flea market in Lisbon and see if you can peddle it there. If not, just junk it in the nearby stream.

thinkingman's picture

Oh so you're reading

Oh so you're reading something into the article that is not a known fact? Typical liberal argument - you have to avoid logic and decide it says what you want t to say....bottom line is Maine is around 22% welfare economy, and at some point if that growth continues the loss in taxable income and revenue will upset the apple cart...so lets keep this with one simple question, which I know you will not answer...What happens when we reach that point? At what point will the taxpayers of Maine decide to put financial support behind more fiscally conservative candidates and not those who bow to the welfare rolls? Oh and for the record, my salary is higher than my wifes, and that does not include my tax business or any side consulting I do for other businesses. Only difference is, I'm willing to provide proof, something you are yet to do when ever confronted on ANYTHING!

tron's picture

Explanation simple,

the new people enrolling a the program are already living, breathing and being downsized residents of this state. You fail to realize, not everyone has a wife with a high paying job to support their family. I realize such logic mystifies you, but obviously Husson doesn't teach empirical thinking.

thinkingman's picture

Does not add up

How can you have ONE article which indicates that 53,210 more people are enrolled in the program in the past five years, and then make a statement that says five times as many welfare recipients are leaving Maine as are coming in. Those two statements cannot exist at the same time, either you're adding or you're subtracting. If 5 come to Maine that means 25 left, a net reduction of 20 - if 500 come to maine, than means 2500 left Maine, a net reduction of 2000...so did we gain or lose?

normoose's picture
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queenhoneybee

it seems that Queenhoneybee is the about the only comment that I can agree with. GOP = BIG BUSINESS 9OIL FOR ONE] and the DEMS are for the working class, working class poor and the the poor while maintaining a far business ethic.

Pirate's picture
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And when Nanny tucks us in at

And when Nanny tucks us in at night, we can all have cookies and warm milk.

jalbrecht1's picture
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To the DHS well document facts

the Republican present fantasies. "Why do welfare recipients come to Maine, because I say they do. Where are my facts, well I don't have any but I know its true. Why is it true, because I'm an emotional basket case jealous of everyone else and blames everyone else for my failures." Yes, that's the Republican case on welfare.

Pirate's picture
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I just love lime flavored

I just love lime flavored Kool-Aide

Ron's picture

And so you suggest we should

And so you suggest we should just trust "facts" presented by DHHS, long run by Democrat appointments, without question? Facts that, fortunately (*phew*), present a positive light on DHHS? And for disclosure, I'm not a Republican.

mainerunr's picture

fact is, DHS doesnt find the

fact is, DHS doesnt find the fraud because they are too busy handing out welfare to anyone who asks for it, why be bothered with actually checking what you're told by the applicant or even trying to figure out what they qualify for when it is far easier (and less work) to just sign them up for wheatever they ask for...I mean it's not the state employee's dime anyway. Reality here is that if DHHS workers were more diligent in doing their job, welfare costs would be much lower...and Maine really needs to end benefits according to federal guidelines rather than um never.

Ron's picture

Editorial Board - c'mon, do

Editorial Board - c'mon, do you really believe that anyone would admit to moving to Maine for welfare benefits, once they have done so? Does DHHS actually ask this of program participants, so that it can track this? And it doesn't matter if other states are offering benefits higher than Maine's if Maine is the only state someone can move to that doesn't have a residency requirement...if someone needs the money now, they'll go where it's being offered! While I may believe some of the DHHS responses discussed in the editorial, I would expect the Editorial Board to be somewhat more skeptical (trust, but verify) before accepting them as fully accurate. Will DHHS really give a fully complete response if it puts the agency in a bad light?

NJoyNlife's picture

well...

when you come from another state they look up where you were from and communicate with the services you received prior. Maine doesn't necessarily offer higher benefits, they offer longer. Most states in fact only Maine and Wisconsin allow you to be on welfare longer than 3 years then they cut the federal subsidy and then they only receive state funds, that's why Maine appears higher because they wont sanction lazy people, people who are lying because they will lose federal dollars. Maine enables his welfare recipients. Go sit in the lobby of any DHHS office and just look at the people. There is the single mom who didn't work, got divorced and needs a little help until she can get on her feet, the newly unemployed couple needing a hand for a while and wont receive much because of prior incomes category, the elderly couple who are trying to live on just social security and cant make it and just need a little help while. That is the saddest group of people who need the most help, then there are the lifers who do nothing to help themselves and only complain about what the system doesn't do for them for them, the non complaints who do drugs and sell them, they don't need the money but they are so greedy they take it anyway because to the state they are unemployed as they do not claim the drug monies they earn.

TANF stands for TEMPORARY Assistance for Needy Families and some think its an entitlement/career and they never have to work....when they are told to work, they blatantly avoid it even though they are told of sanctions by the ASPIRE program because they know there will never be a sanction imposed on them. What DHHS needs is a new commissioner that can straighten out this problem and stop cutting services for the Mentally Retarted!!!!

queenhoneeybee's picture
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"One, Matt Jacobson, said in

"One, Matt Jacobson, said in a column Sunday that an out-of-state company ultimately decided not to locate here because it "couldn't compete" with the generosity of our welfare system. The company, Jacobson said, was offering jobs paying $35,000-$40,000 per year. If true, that is certainly remarkable and cause for alarm."

i find it funny that Jacobson mentions this-for one-we are in a recession and we do need jobs here! and for two-i think someone would go for $35-$40K p/yr job over being on the state as long as they are physically and mentally capable to work. that is the most ignorant thought (process) of why the company actually didn't want to be here. and if it is what they were thinking-what were they thinking!?!

i love it when people generalize and stereotype.

its bad enough that the state of maine be it dhs included, etc. have been making budget cuts for programs that are crucial to ones physical or mental health. many people have been affected. its scary to know that the people who are in need of help will or may not be able to get help to survive, get medications, or food on their table because people want to blame all/generalize all/penalize all.

tron's picture

See, these right wing wackos

refuse to believe the truth, if it conflicts with what they WANT to be true. That's one reason this country is in this shape, the unreasonableness of the right wing wackos. You cannot work together to solve problems, if one side doesn't believe the truth.

Pirate's picture
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How can two sides agree on

How can two sides agree on anything and work together when orange comes out and one side says it's red and the other says it's yellow. There is only one truth, but both sides don't hear the same thing. Fortunately, the "right wing wackos" are more adept at recognizing the truth than the "left wing loonies". See how easy that was, T?

SonOfTron's picture

wrong again

hey danny two notes, again you are wrong. the problem is moonbats like you. it is because of all who feel they are entitled to stuff. if you want to do something to improve this country, get a job and pay taxes, then you will probably see things differently. right now, the republicans are not the problem but those who refuse to work(go get a mirror).

time to start push some people out of the wagon and make them help pull it.

if you can sit at a computer all day and post this tripe you feel is valid, you can go get a job.

tron's picture

People like you who make

unsubstantiated accusations are a big problem. You make many claims, yet prove NONE of them. You're part of the continuing acrimony of the right wing wackos.

SonOfTron's picture

go back to yesterday

you are one to talk about making unsubstantiated accusations. that is all you do. go back to yesterday and answer the question about fox news, or better yet, you can do like you did yesterday and go and hide. by the way, you are the one who made the claim of collecting ssi, no me.

oh, by the way, you are still a moonbat.

tron's picture

BTW, you're still a coward

and I'll wear the "moon-bat" moniker as easily as you wear the coward badge.

SonOfTron's picture

what????

sorry, i'm no coward. you'll have to explain that one. you are the one who refuses to answer questions. you never answered the question on fox news. you never answer the questions on race. go back answer those questions. if you want, i can re-post them for you.

Pirate's picture
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Anyone who disagrees with

Anyone who disagrees with tron is a republican, right wing wacko, or a coward. Pretty limited vocabulary, but it's what we get from him. I could get more sense out of the parrot if I could keep the little sucker sober enough.

mbthedragon's picture

Tron represents the smelly

Tron represents the smelly crotch of society. A river rat who dislikes all that is fair and honest and loves all that is despicable, ruthless and dishonest. His moral clock is so far out of time that the man died, yet the zombie lives.

tron's picture

another coward

heard from, thank goodness it like to hide in the dark.

mbthedragon's picture

Ey dere breton u nead to lern

Ey dere breton u nead to lern to spel in inglish.

tron's picture

looks like we have another

Husson graduate.

thinkingman's picture

well thats sure better than

well thats sure better than bragging about being a graduate of lewiston junior High huh? Yeah I do have information tron and i know how to use it. All I had to do was ask one of your pretend siblings LOL

tron's picture

As you well know

all my siblings are dead, thanks for bringing that up. What an ass you are!

tron's picture

why would anyone answer questions

from a confirmed coward? Who do you think you are to ask anyone anything?

SonOfTron's picture

still no explaination

just as i expect from you. you call me a coward, yet you are so cowardly you can not explain why?

what i expect now, is just more of the same tripe and no explanation as why you called me a coward.

SonOfTron's picture

still no explanation

well, it has been nearly about 7.5 hours since dan was asked to explain why he said i am a coward. as we all can see he has driveled other posted in this thread. the only explanation for his lack of explanation is he has no explanation since it was a complete fabrication of his feeble little mind.

NJoyNlife's picture

haha

The myths were all true. I worked for DHHS and trust me they are true. Maine hides facts so that they do not get a bad grade from the federal govt and lose monies. Its about time they kick some of these lazy people who have never ever worked off welfare and start making drugs tests mandatory! They should also make smoking forbidden. Working people cant afford cigarettes how do people on welfare?

Centarie2000's picture
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especially the one about the

especially the one about the welfare fraud. the first place that dhs cuts funding for is fraud investigators. i know that for a fact because of a friend who investigated during the '80s. at one time he had 8 ppl. under him to investigate. by the mid '90s, they had cut his staff to 2 and qudripled his caseload. they don't investigate anything anymore. all they do is call the employer to see if the person put in an application. thats all. only 3 applications needed per week. all a little mother needs to do is claim that the father isn't around to get support. and if he is living with her and paying for stuff, so what? no one will investigate. don't want to pay child support? work under the table. construction is good for that. no one will investigate. next time your in bangor, take a look at how many snowmobiles in winter and 4 wheelers in summer are parked behind the dhs building.

the sad part is that honest working people that need it "don't quilify". a single mother working making minimum wage in a kitchen must choose: loose child care assistance because she makes too much, or work fewer hours, or get a second job. how many of our "poorest" unemployed single little mothers must make that choice? none.

Jo's picture

Baloney

The truth is...people ARE moving to Maine for social services. Maybe the SJ should interview the shelter administrators in the area.
How would DHHS know that information anyway? Once someone has a Maine address, they apply. Since there is no residency law (but should be), DHHS doesn't ask. So, for them to make such a statement doesn't mean a thing.

DEG2010's picture

The Simple truth and cure

The simple truth
If we stop trying to feed all these damn 3rd world countries and importing more *&#^# refuges than we wouldn't need a welfare system all these billions of dollars that we GIVE away and write off could be feeding OUR OWN. To all the celebrities out there lets try to take care of the People here where you call home .

veritas's picture
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Lifetime benefits??

So you prefer 'Death Panels?'

Mac antSaior's picture
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What they failed to mention

What they failed to mention in these supposed facts and myths... posed by DHHS themselves hmmm .. is that Maine is one of only a handful of states that chose not to sign on to Clinton's welfare reform, leaving no residency requirements and a loophole that allows lifetime benefits. And they say people still do not move here for the free ride?

veritas's picture
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They're moving here for the welfare??

Ever notice that the problems Maine has had with "Illegal Immigrants" arose from the fact that certain industries were hiring them. How about our buddy up in Turner......? And many others across the state.

So Maine is attracting this great influx of welfare types? Doesn't seem to bear out with crime statistics, which are normally directly related to a welfare culture. Notice that the per-capita crime rate in Maine is nearly half the national average. The violent crime rate makes us one of the safest states in the country.

I retired as a cop in a city of 27,000 population - in 1994 that Illinois city had 22 homicides - a per capita rate three times higher than Chicago, and ten times that national average. I can tell you what a 'Welfare Culture' does to a community. Cry me a river - Maine doesn't have the problem certain Cassandras are wailing about.

"PORTLAND — Public safety officials say crime in Maine fell last year by 1.8 percent.

Department of Public Safety Commissioner Anne Jordan said today that robberies, burglaries and arsons went up in 2009, but every other crime category fell or was virtually unchanged.

Reports of aggravated assault fell by nearly 9 percent, car theft by 13 percent and larceny by almost 3 percent.

There were 26 homicides during the year, down from 31 in 2008.

Crime statistics are tabulated every year based on reports from local, county and state law enforcement agencies.

The department says the crime rate in Maine is about 25.3 offenses per 1,000 people, compared to the national rate of 45.4 offenses per 1,000 people."

Pirate's picture
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"So Maine is attracting this

"So Maine is attracting this great influx of welfare types?" Ya think it's the weather that brought the Somalis here? Or was it the vast number of job opportunities in manufacturing?

veritas's picture
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So the Lewiston City Council thought they applied

For Thousands of Simolians.........

tron's picture

You expect republican candidates to

detail how they'll accomplish anything? Dream on. All they'll do is continue to give false or misleading information, and they spout it as the gospel.

You did well documenting the truths about welfare, but it will fall on blind eyes. Republicans never accept the truth. They only want to see what they want to see. It's sad,

Pirate's picture
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What's sad is your blindness

What's sad is your blindness to everything real.

lewistonauburnsucks's picture

Democrats don't even know

Democrats don't even know what truth is, they only see lies and spin. Democrats are the party of lies and the party of the lazy people.

Pirate's picture
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You're talking about the

You're talking about the welfare party....BTW, the parrot thinks your user name is really cool.

SSDD's picture

Really

Then why have the last 2 election cycles nationally been earth shattering ass thumpings of Republicans?

lewistonauburnsucks's picture

Because more and more

Because more and more Americans have become a bunch of numba@@, lie believing b@#tards. By the way, your name would be more fitting as STD instead of SSDD

Pirate's picture
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Stupid and ignorant voters?

Stupid and ignorant voters?

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