Government has poor record

President Barack Obama seems intent on bankrupting the country. His stimulus bill was of such gargantuan proportions that the average taxpayer is unable to grasp it, or the consequences of paying back such a staggering amount of money.

Now he wants to fund a universal health insurance system, which, by the way, would not include our elected officials, who will continue to be covered by their existing coverage. The public's health care will suffer if this is passed.

Government officials will decide if a person needs a pacemaker, and they will be the ones deciding how much medical intervention the new plan will cover. But the government has a poor record as a manager — look at Social Security, FEMA and the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Those are just a few of the mismanaged disasters run by the government. Does anyone think it will do any better with a universal health insurance program?

The Medicare system is going broke due to fraud, nonpayment and lack of oversight. Now Obama wants to implement a similar program to cover more people. The U.S. has one of the best health care systems in the world, and that's because it is not run by the government.

I would hope Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins are smart enough to vote against the health care proposal.

Mary Jane Newell, South Paris

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Brian_L's picture

Where were you when George

Where were you when George W. Bush was bankrupting the country with with his wars etc.
You think the government has a poor record as a manager what makes you think the corporations are any better just look at the banking system, Wall Street & the Auto industry. Right now insurance companies control who gets what kind of operations etc I can't see how the government would be any worst if not better.

cajunandmex's picture

Very well said Brian!! What

Very well said Brian!! What Ms. Newell fails to understand, or would rather not admit, is that FEMA was a decently run agency until Bush integrated FEMA within the Department of Homeland Security one of the most shoddily run agencies under Bush's regime. Ms. Newell, why haven't you complained regarding the billions of dollars lost to contractor fraud in Iraq? The reason government officials are being exempt from the proposed health care reform is that government officials as well as all government employees are covered under the health care plan as the one being proposed by the administration. As a federal employee I know I have the best and cheapest health care plan-the Office of Personnel Management negotiates with insurers and can demand good health care plans at a minimum cost.
Ms. Newell, I respect any opinion that differs from mine as long as they are informed--next time you post, please inform yourself of the facts

veritas's picture
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Hulk: You sure spend a lot

Hulk:

You sure spend a lot of your time criticizing the U.N. - an organization we were instrumental in creating, and insisted be located on our shores.

You also seem to have a lot of problems with liberal thought - that very same philosophy upon which our Nation was created.

Now tell us.

Did you ever join our U.S. Military?

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

tron's picture

LOL, veritas, people like

LOL, veritas, people like Hulk rarely serve, and if they do it's usually behind a desk somewhere. And then they frequently are drummed out in less than honorable circumstances.

Barb's picture

Have you seen or heard

Have you seen or heard anyone from American going to Canada for health care? The Obama administration plans to put the big bad insurance companies out of busniess so we will eventually have a single payer system.

veritas's picture
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Barb: And who do you think

Barb:

And who do you think first proposed that we go to a single payer Health Care System?

None other than George Bush and John McCain's avowed hero: Teddy Roosevelt!! - back in 1912
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

expat's picture

As my screen name suggests,

As my screen name suggests, I do not live in the U.S. As a U.S./Maine Citizen (I vote!) I chose to leave the U.S. and move to a foreign country. You progressives with your socialist agenda and taxes drove my wife and I away. Be that as it may, my question is: Rumor is that the U.S. Citizens who have no health care insurance through a govt approved plan will be "fined/taxed". Is this true? Can any of you supporters of Zerobama health care answer that question? Since we live in a foreign country and pay into the health care system here ($37 a month) why would we be fined/taxed? btw... U.S. health care insurance is not honored here.

tron's picture

Unless you're serving in the

Unless you're serving in the military, you cannot legally claim Maine citizenship unless you live here at least six months of the year. Therefore you are either a liar or a fraud, in either case your commentary is worthless! Good riddance to you, America does not need people like you.

veritas's picture
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You voted with your

You voted with your feet.....

And no need to listen to your 2 cents worth regarding U.S. health care as you've decided to plunk down your 37 pieces of silver elsewhere.
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Rinoblast's picture

Sounds like a load of crock.

Sounds like a load of crock. "This place isn;t good enough for me so I;m going to leave. But I'm still going to try and make it be run the way I want."

And the fined/taxed idea I assume is a reference to the idea that health care coverage be mandated, something implemented in Mass. that appears to have worked to lower costs (if the people who choose not to/can't have insurance and then cry poverty at the ER can no longer bleed the system, we save as a whole).

Since there are no consensus bills out yet, I find that accusations about any of the non-existent details seems quite silly.

veritas's picture
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C'mon, Hulk - you made

C'mon, Hulk - you made allegations about the report.

Now put up and show us where the false hoods are....

And name those five goals so we know you're actually familiar with the report.....
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Hulk's picture

All that anyone needs to

All that anyone needs to know is the report was done by Liberals/Socialists. They lie, that's what they do!

I take it you put your full faith in the likes of Castro and Chavez and the United Nations to tell the truth?

They rank higher based partially on whether the healthcare system is government run or not, with government run getting a higher score just for that reason.

WHO’s index is based on
five factors, weighted as follows:
1. Health Level: 25 percent
2. Health Distribution: 25 percent
3. Responsiveness: 12.5 percent
4. Responsiveness Distribution: 12.5 per-cent
5. Financial Fairness: 25 percent
That would be five goats.

They actually use two rankings;
Overall Attainment (AO) - The U.S. ranks 37th
Overall Performance(OP) - The U.S ranks 15th

The reports that are published in the media seem to use the AO ranking for the U.S. and the ranking that is highest for all other countries.
Now why would a Liberal press intentionally bias a report like that?
Wow! Who would ever think that Liberals would try to make the United States look bad?

The World Health Organization has done some good works there no doubt of that, but their political agenda always gets in the way.
This is the same organization that conducted one of the most thorough studies on second hand cigarette smoke and promptly buried the results because they didn't come to the "correct" conclusion.

I take their rankings of health care with their known biases in mind.

A couple of questions to ask yourself;
Senator Kennedy went to what country for medical care?
Senator Dodd is going to what country to treat his prostate cancer?

veritas's picture
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Hulk You obviously didn't

Hulk

You obviously didn't read the report.

You're complaining that a 'Liberal' press is reporting the score for the U.S.'s Overall Attainment rather than Performance.

You piss and moan so much about alleged biases you make the Revrunt Al Sharpton look like a rank amatuer - no shidt.....

Go back and figure out why the hell we're falling down on 'attainment'

And then I'll tell you what country you can go to for a cerebrum transplant.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Lil's picture
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"The Medicare system is

"The Medicare system is going broke due to fraud," Who do you think is defrauding Medicare? Why, it's the for profit health care system, obviously.
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veritas's picture
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And when the Republicans

And when the Republicans passed the prescription medicine benefit for Medicare - they stipulated that there be no government contracting for the lowest price, but that private insurers be added to the mix so that taxpayers pay the higher amounts to maximize profits for both the pharmacuetical companies and insurance industry. Hurray for Big Business and screw the Taxpayer!!!
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

veritas's picture
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Hulk; Sounds like

Hulk;

Sounds like 'Conservatism' is just the spot for you.

You need gray matter to be a liberal.... And know how to use it.

Sorry. You lose.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Lil's picture
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"Now he wants to fund a

"Now he wants to fund a universal health insurance system, which, by the way, would not include our elected officials, who will continue to be covered by their existing coverage." That's right, they already get government run health care. If it's good enough for Congress and the Pres, it's good enough for most Americans.
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cajunandmex's picture

Right on the money, Lil-see

Right on the money, Lil-see my above post-As a federal governemtn employee, I get government health care and I can guarantee anyone that this is the best plan around!!

veritas's picture
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Government health care is

Government health care is also good enough for all our military, last time I checked.

Hey, Hulk...

Did you ever sign your name on the dotted line for Uncle Sam???
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

expat's picture

I would reply that I am in

I would reply that I am in contact with many Vets daily and it looks like you are in the minority. I applaud the Togus administration. Perhaps Mainers have a better situation than others in the country. I'm happy for you. I signed my name and served as did many others who receive substandard treatment from the VA. Your own observation does not include the entire VA system. Good for you and good for Maine vets but to claim the entire VA system is great leaves others wondering.

veritas's picture
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May Jane Where in the hell

May Jane

Where in the hell did you get the idea that "The U.S. has one of the best health care systems in the world?"

We're #37 for private sector..

If government health care is so bad, then why the hell are you sticking we Veterans with it?

I had a knee injury, and Tuesday it took me a whole 45 minutes to get in to see a Doctor at Togus - without having an appointment.

X-rays within a half-hour, follow-up with the Doctor in 20 minutes, and my meds in 45 minutes.

And you've got a problem with govt health care???

Bite me!!!!
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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Hulk's picture

"Where in the hell did you

"Where in the hell did you get the idea that "The U.S. has one of the best health care systems in the world?""

The fact is we do.

The rating that you refer to is to put it mildly pure fiction!

The major reason we rate so low in that rating is because the government is not in control of our health care.

One of the other reasons we rate lower (in that study) is because of inaccurate reporting by Socialist and Communist countries.

In other words they lie! Big surprise Liberals lie.

It's good to hear that Togus is treating you well, the care you receive there may even rival what you could get in the Private sector.

Which if Togus sucked you could go somewhere else.

Once the government takes over the whole health care industry and you have no choice and no competition where are you going to go?

Who are you going to complain to? And when you do complain what S*** list are you going to be on.

I wish you Liberals would stop trying to take our freedom away. Start your own Health care system and give your time and money to it but just leave the rest of the hell alone!

veritas's picture
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Take away your freedom? Who

Take away your freedom?

Who is advocating that the government take over the entire health care system? You are indeed the little boy who cried Wolf.

But Govt. may have to step in once private medical management and the insurance companies completely screw it up as the American Auto Manufacturer's did the auto industry.

BTW - I'm the one who kept 'shidt' lists... Reading your comments here - you're the type to get on 'em quick and stayed there...

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Lil's picture
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"The major reason we rate so

"The major reason we rate so low in that rating is because the government is not in control of our health care." Maybe they can cure your foot in mouth disease! "The fact is we do." Got an objective, legitimate source for your assertion? Course not, but Beck says it's true, so it must be!.
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veritas's picture
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The rating I refered to is

The rating I refered to is calculated in a World Health Organization report which I doubt you ever read. I did.

What are the five major goals the report considered when calculating the overall effectiveness of a country's health care delivery system?

You allege the report fiction.

State those areas of the report which you believe it so, and why.

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

Hulk's picture

"Government has poor

"Government has poor record"

That all depends on what you believe their objective is.

If you believe that their objective is to serve the people and enforce Constitutional vales than they've got a dismal record.

However if you believe their objective is self-serving and controlling the pocketbook of the country than they've done a brilliant job.

shibear's picture

Government provides medical

Government provides medical care for native Americans and that is probably what she is referring to. A lot of them would also call it no-care.

shibear's picture

Government provides medical

Government provides medical care for native Americans and that is probably what she is referring to. A lot of them would also call it no-care.

DonaldR's picture

Sorry for the double

Sorry for the double post...I must have double clicked. I can't figure out how to delete a post after it's made.

Again, my apologies.

DonaldR's picture

I have a lot of questions

I have a lot of questions about this healthcare proposal. What happens to those of us with private insurance already; most of which is paid for by the employer?

The employers will more than likely opt into the 8% fee, as it will be less $$ than paying employees health insurance. Now, part of one's "compensation" is their benefit package. Soooo...will the employers be mandated to pay the employee a portion of that cost saving back to the employer? For example, our family policy costs approximately $1600.00 per month between what we pay and what the employer pays. A huge part of choosing that employment was due to good health benefits.

So, my point is, I can't imagine an employer NOT paying the 8% fee to get out from under insurance costs, thus leaving the employees having to "deal" with National Healthcare.

I'm not at all looking forward to this mess...and can someone tell me why the government officials will not be participating in this program? Sounds like the cook who won't eat in their own restaurant cuz the kitchen's filthy...

DonaldR's picture

I have a lot of questions

I have a lot of questions about this healthcare proposal. What happens to those of us with private insurance already; most of which is paid for by the employer?

The employers will more than likely opt into the 8% fee, as it will be less $$ than paying employees health insurance. Now, part of one's "compensation" is their benefit package. Soooo...will the employers be mandated to pay the employee a portion of that cost saving back to the employer? For example, our family policy costs approximately $1600.00 per month between what we pay and what the employer pays. A huge part of choosing that employment was due to good health benefits.

So, my point is, I can't imagine an employer NOT paying the 8% fee to get out from under insurance costs, thus leaving the employees having to "deal" with National Healthcare.

I'm not at all looking forward to this mess...and can someone tell me why the government officials will not be participating in this program? Sounds like the cook who won't eat in their own restaurant cuz the kitchen's filthy...

Brian's picture

The Bureau of Indian

The Bureau of Indian Affairs???????

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