No vote for propagandists

As a Republican, I voted for Barack Obama, and when re-election comes around again, my vote will be cast for Obama. The sad part is that, as a Republican, many will label me as a liberal and as a traitor to the United States.

Just look at the nation's recent past, however, and there will be major stumbling blocks to overcome: the war in Iraq; dissension after the Reagan administration; and outright cowardice in axis of evil claims. All that while the stock market tumbled and conservative-supported deregulation took place. The old guard of Reagan crusaders are considered much too liberal for their newer conservative counterparts.

Instead of embracing the same standards of Republicans and Democrats working together, conservatives took the people for chattel and then treated them like cattle, all the while expecting to be embraced. We cannot be Republicans without voting along the party standards.

As an American, I am never going to vote the party lines. I have my voice and my right to vote, and it is as an American that I decide which candidates to vote for.

Neither Democrat nor Green, I am a Republican, and I vote for whom I want, not for propagandists.

Joseph Ziehm, Lewiston

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PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The parrot likes Libby; likes

The parrot likes Libby; likes the way she sez impor-rrant.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

America is really a lucky

America is really a lucky nation that's about to go bankrupt, thanks to oBAMa's mishandling of everything he touches. 55 days and the oil's still gushing in the Gulf. Way to go, Barry.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

What happened to the

What happened to the unemployment rate that would not exceed 8% if the stimulus bill was passed? Hmmmmm?

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That's what Republicans hate

Well Voisine that's what Republicans hate the most is an intellectual in chief. Seeing as how Pirate has taken a few days off to respond to this makes it an utter failure to draw any conclusions. Notice his debating style is much like Gil's and the more pathetic it gets the better the last letter of support for Olympia Snowe resulted in a put down the crack pipe line from Gil. For all of those debating the Tea Party and evading the issues on Colonial laws that is their own problem. It is easier to duck history and the lessons which it provides then having to actually learn and the Gingrich mantra which several have bought into is disgusting. As Pirate proves incoherency with a mixture of ignorance is all that it takes to secure a conversation with a Conservative.

Son of proves the last part of his name could be formed with a colorful bit of language much like a political enema soup. As the racists chip in and dig deeper and deeper it is always funnier to watch them implode on themselves. Even with supporting Huckabee he had lost a major part of his fan base thanks to Coulter and it was great watching her get owned in taped replays. If you want a better example just think of all of that in a solvency solution as a trail by fire in the Republican party. Although I am registered LePage signals the likelihood even on his own website of denying veterans and senior citizens adjusted health care as there is only a five year provision and the targets of special education which he manipulates on his own website and quotes. Which statistically broken down means that despite all of what Pirate and Son say they have nothing further to fall back upon. That also ends coverage for Mainers with cancer, HIV/AIDS, and several other medical conditions such as mental illness.

For Pirate to refute that as well as Son Of that means understanding that those with mental illness who are denied will commit suicide which is a dark and rather depressing angle but since LePage has volunteered that information himself on his website that is not a misquote. If you want to know what makes me such a staunch supporter my grandmother suffered and died of cancer, my fiancee watched as a classmates parents died of AIDS, and as for mental illness it will always be there and tough love or gruff love does not work in that environment. Pirate that would mean that after five years the assistance for drugs in medical conditions would be denied in a controlled Conservative State in a Union of Communism which grants death after five years correct? Of, course as for cutting budgets in the school districts that appears to be some of the greatest manipulations of forming the early suicide rates of teenagers and younger classmates due to not having the supports in place. Pirate for educational factors there have been arrests in Conservative schools due to manipulations in charters as well to place higher then usual testing candidacy for children.

Watch the intellectual responses on this one there will not be one such as the others which will not debate the corruption of the Bush administration. It will boil down to the simplistic Communist rhetoric which is espoused everyday by so called Tea Party members. Five years and the suicide rates will climb higher and higher, along with deaths from preventable conditions, and the limits imposed by a sacationed City-State government to review medical conditions... smells like communism to me!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"As Pirate proves incoherency

"As Pirate proves incoherency with a mixture of ignorance is all that it takes to secure a conversation with a conservative."
I see, Joe; something like, " reasoning with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end", is that it?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You need to get help,

You need to get help, Joe...such anger. BTW, "the Pirate takes a few days off to respond to this" ..Not easy being a pirate, Joe. You actually have to go out and piratize. Earn (at others' expense of course) boodle, bounty, money, treasure. How else is one going to pick up
$180 grand a year? Better things and opportunities out there than spend all of one's time on these silly blogs trying to reason with liberal intellectual vacuums.

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You lost

Not an intellectual response at all but rather blaming intelligence and the Republican party for something which Nixon saw coming you grew to comfortable and want someone else to be a target for your anger. Since you enjoy limiting freedom of speech, take offense to anyone with an open mind, and issue out more verbal barrages of hatred each and every time Adolf would have loved you. Keep playing with racism and stay away from anything that sounds intelligent that underlying hatred you have toward me you have always had towards everyone. Keep downplaying with parlor tricks and side conversations meant for anger and let people feed you with it. So, was it your mother or father which scaffolded your racist developments?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Since you chosen to bring

Since you chosen to bring parents into the mix; mine had children who lived. Did yours?

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I voted for Obama last time,

I voted for Obama last time, won't happen again. He is clearly in over his head, worse than Bush or Clinton in their first 1.5 yrs.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Espeicially if the party

"Espeicially if the party does not wake up and see through the infomercials and realize Beck's tears are not real any more than Rush's rants about family values."
Do you have proof and specifics to back up those allegations, or a YOU just ranting?

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Investments

Investments into markets concerning firearms, gold, and Conservative religious ministries. He is not just ranting if that is the best defensive that you offer Pirate.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Last I heard, firearms, gold,

Last I heard, firearms, gold, and conservative religious ministries were all perfectly legal investments.

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kudos to you for voting for

kudos to you for voting for whoever and however you want. if you identify with one more so the other then that is your right. many republicans voted for obama-you are not the only one.

who could blame you though-mccain-hothead for the next four years to carry out bush's demise and destruction??? think NOT!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

That is one of the two things

That is one of the two things that got oBAMa elected; the left's bitter hatred of Bush/Cheney, and, the color of his skin.

RONALD RIML's picture

And how 'bout #3!!! Obama got Iraq War Right!!!

Barack Obama had the good, common sense to speak out against going to war with Iraq when Bush was starting his juggernaut of "War-Hard-on" - and intimidating all others to follow at the risk of being called un-American.

Against Going to War with Iraq (2002) - by Barack Obama

(Delivered on Wednesday, October 2, 2002 by Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator, at the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq war rally (organized by Chicagoans Against War in Iraq) at noon in Federal Plaza in Chicago, Illinois; at the same day and hour that President Bush and Congress announced their agreement on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, but over a week before it was passed by either body of Congress.)

"Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income?—?to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear?—?I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance, corruption and greed, poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not?—?we will not?—?travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain."

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

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Racism

Racism is always easier to spot when it is the shift that is it right in front of you... could be wearing a black shirt or a Nazi Swastika and you would fit in better within that historical era then here.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Where the Pirate fits in is

Where the Pirate fits in is not for you to say, is it, Joe?

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What's wrong?

You got massively uptight after referencing his race and having someone call you out on it. I can say what I want to say, if you take offense to it play nice with others. That little bit of racism which you have seems adopted from a Spenser novel of pride and prejudice will not be your own undoing in conversations.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I have seen video footage of

I have seen video footage of black people openly admitting that they voted for oBAMa because "he's a black man". I didn't make this stuff up. That's the trouble with you liberals, you hear something truthful and you automatically assume it's made up. Might wann work on that.
"Massively uptight'? You forget joe; I am a Pirate. You don't possess the skills to bring that side of me out. Not even in your dreams. Nice try, though.

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The Arrogance

I brought that side out of you without even trying and got just a little bit of tribulation from you in the process. I know you did not make it up but you also played upon it as the weakness card. Seeing as how you are a Pirate with a hundred and eighty thousand dollar paycheck I'm guessing sales upper class style real estate a real shark. Very smart and cunning but not to smart and not overtly caring to any degree you use this as stimulation and then leave the subject because it advocates a sense of feeding into you. Then again I'm not a psychologist and using the shots in the dark from psychological training in early childcare settings. As for letting children live there are no abortions and my mother as a nurse is strongly against it. However, for the record as a future educator I too am against abortions thanks for trying to shirk the blame as my faults and not your own.

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you should tell pirate what

you should tell pirate what narcissistic personality disorder really means lol! likes to use the term loosely..

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

How do you account for all

How do you account for all the black people who admit to having voted for him because "he's a black man". I guess knowing that makes me a racist, huh? Gee...didn't realize becoming a racist would be that easy. Thanks for the tip, T...
PS--sheets are a little grimy. Behind on the laundry. I'm sure you know how THAT is.

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Thanks

When I advocated for Huckabee it was the standing line for basically being left behind by the party and having his tax reforms being considered to liberal. Through all of the reforms and the social welfare programs and hiring practices being reformed for those of us with disabilities the Republicans pretty much left him behind. When you look at it from the same perspective it is a very lonely portion in the Republican party with Aspergers it is hard but with Huckabee and the reform practices it would have been easier to fit into society which again was considered to liberal for most. Considering his old guard stance he had on education in not eliminating any of the budget that was also considered to liberal for some Republicans. I see Fox does promote him but stays at arms length with much on his dictations.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

oBAMa and achievement are

oBAMa and achievement are mutually exclusive terms. What, exactly, has he accomplished during his presidency, in which the outcome was consistent with the stated intention? (Sound of crickets can be heard in the background).
Thought so.

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Achievements? What might they

Achievements? What might they be?!

RONALD RIML's picture

If you have to ask, you haven't been paying attention....

If you have to ask, you haven't been paying attention....

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The answer here would be

The answer here would be nothing. He's done nothing short of wallow in a bad economy he and his apologists will continue to blame on others until the end of his term. The whining from the left is as deafening as the bible thumping from the right. You speak of the arty of no, while shouting from the party of know nothing.

RONALD RIML's picture

"I haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist"

"I haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist"

Way to go, Rob!! Plato would be proud of you......

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The parrot's rolling on the

The parrot's rolling on the floor laughing. He thinks you're referring to PLUTO. Whacky bird.

RONALD RIML's picture

The Bird's smarter than you think....

Rob's a real Plutocrat!!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Oh, I know..about the bird

Oh, I know..about the bird being smart, that is.

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Yes, I have

I have advocated for years the Republican party writing letters of support for Olympia Snowe among others and even joining a group for those who had wanted to elect Mike Huckabee. That was long before Ann "Nazi" Coulter spun her stories and had the Fox Gestapo convinced he was pro-gay marriage. Veritas is right in that we were left behind by our own party. It is sad when looking at it that you cannot disagree with a portion or you are deemed a liberal. In being a Republican if you do not like the views and want your own portion of a party why not form a reformed political party to via for the best interests instead of being attached to Republicans?

JONATHAN ALBRECHT's picture

Good Job Joseph

Please read the 2010 Maine Republican Platform. Then see if you can define yourself as a Republican. The Republican Party has always had a completely loonny minority. I left the Republican Party in 1964 after reading their featured literature in the Goldwater campaign. Completely insane stuff. Now the same stuff is back but as the Republican Platform. Ultra-nationalistic isolationism, children have no rights, government is the enemy, allow business to dominate society, end any government regulation, no checks and balances on anyone, economic anarchy, greed is good, and no one owes anything to his/her society. Ego-maniacal madness.

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Nixon

You are right Jal that is the Republican party at this point after reading the platform they completely rejected Nixon and his understandings of policy and Democracy. Looks like the lost Republican mind has conformed to the Stalin principles of rights.

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Joseph, it's a little rash to

Joseph, it's a little rash to support voting for the least qualified candidate just because you are disillusioned with your old party. Try defining what you actually believe and find a candidate who matches that before running in the opposite direction to support such a knob as Obama.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

oBAMa's the least qualified

oBAMa's the least qualified person in any room he ever walks into, except for one, and that's arguable.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

LMAO.... Thanks for that one,

LMAO....
Thanks for that one, Son of T...

RONALD RIML's picture

Joe didn't flee the

Joe didn't flee the Republicans. It's the same case as with myself -

The Republicans left us.

Now if only Obama were such as Knobkerry to beat some bloody sense into the Party of 'No' and 'Know-Nothing'

RONALD RIML's picture

Lies?? I reckon he might be able to do these things

If he didn't have a Nancy Reagan "Just Say No" Republican opposition......

You can't do most of these things merely by 'Executive Fiat'

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Agreed

I agree with you Veritas the current Republican party is built on no. I've read Nixon books and my beliefs are that the dangerous downward spiral we are in is simply based on no interactions due to the split and deep divides in the parties. The rhetoric which is formidably biased on the Neo-Conservative tide has deep implications of racism and disparity of racial beliefs. In that ending we see the once praised Governor Perry for what he truly was a coward in office who even with DNA evidence refused to exonerate a man and let him die behind bars. With that implication in mind Perry embraced the Tea Party. When I see others distinguishing themselves as such and as Colonial remember under Colonialism it was legal to commit genocide which the United States had done toward Jews, labor unions, and Native-Americans in the past.

In that we must remember what Nixon had said in not disregarding history but remembering it for all the good and bad that has been done in history. And, unlike Newt Gingrich's take we cannot rewrite the laws for our own historical overture the realistic implications allow history to repeat itself. The contextual emphasis of Gingrich's works having read two of his political memoirs are simply and explicitly rewriting history and having America as the hand of God. The just say no attitudes which he imposes work on the deregulation front and what that has done for us. Without having an emphasis on regulation we learned from the errors of the Bush administration. Yet, somehow there are those who will continually say that it works, and when they are faced with the subtle implications of rewriting history they do not care.

Rush Limbaugh called for the eliminations of multiculturalism in the classroom which means discrediting those who work hard in households of wisdom, honor, and religion. Which eliminates several of the Religious ideologies in America and as a Christian I must say our multiculturalism runs deep in communities. In that arc and era it would mean the Conservatives falling down on their swords and imposing State sanctioned city-states controlled by a main board of speakers and dare I say a system of Communist outlets in voting. Which would systematically control what is taught in schools, churches, and colleges the very definitions of Marxism found in a populace which express their beliefs that there hardly exists a relating line. Since the Tea Party expresses such discontent with the current systems and the needs to focus on and control those it proves that there little more then Communist sympathizers toward the central vents of total government control.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Tea Party" and communism are

"Tea Party" and communism are as alike as oil and water.

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