Absolutely incredible

It is incredible to hear conservative Republicans talking about the
Obama administration promoting fascism. That, after eight years of
George W. Bush, who attacked constitutional protections and seized
power for his presidency the way fascist dictators had in the 20th
century. And Bush certainly had the support of all
Republicans. In fact, the Republicans were like lemmings and they took us
all over the cliff.

The current deficit was created by Republicans, who cut taxes for
the very rich and corporate America. Bush and the Republicans
also got this country involved in two wars of aggression, the costs of
which have only recently shown up in the annual budget.

After 9/11, Republicans claimed that the world was a
dangerous place, so they about doubled the Pentagon's budget. That budget has risen steadily ever
since. Now, all of a sudden, the Republicans are deficit hawks. To me,
they are hypocrites.

Conservative Republicans have done everything possible to bankrupt
the federal and state governments.

Look for more hate speech from
Republicans appealing to angry, white males as mid-term elections
approach.

Judson R. Duncan, Monmouth

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David A. jalbrecht1, LMAO

David A.
jalbrecht1, LMAO you need to go back and read what really happened in the financial markets, then maybe you can write with some intelligence about what really took place to cause the downturn. I never said that Bush was clean on the deal. What I'm saying is Bush was ill advised and the bailouts should have never taken place. The market should have been allowed to clean itself out on its own by allowing the bad to go down and allowing mergers and tack overs. Get a course in economics jalbreth1 and maybe you will understand what really took place during the downturn. Your boy Obama has done nothing to change the economy, he has only made it worse. The unemployment rate has not gone down like they are trying to make you think. The numbers don't add up. There has been no job creation through the stimulus, we still lost close to 300,000 jobs in July and your trying to tell me the employment rate has gone down by a tenth of a percent. They are not taking into account people who are off unemployment compensation and have stopped looking for work. The market is doing slightly better because investors have confidence that cap and trade won't pass and now the health care reform bill may go down in flames. If the devaluation of the dollar doesn't kill the market the passage of either of these two bills will tank it. Common sense sir. Try it you might like it.

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No what doesn't add up is

No what doesn't add up is how several companies close to fiscal conservatives created wax numbers which wilted when the candle was lit and as Ziff Davis reported that Diebold the famous ATM maker and banking franchiser lost several million as a result of unsecured accounts and targets designated in their records. You don't really care for anyone expcept for yourself David it is pretty evident you hope that the health care reform goes down and people die to suffice your own ego and intent. Tell me something David if it might help you ease a guilt in your mind how much money was spent creating the ultra backing of the health care insurance magnats which should be under investigation internally... oh, wait they are for swindling workers of commissions rather then packing it into company stock and reinvesting it. Forget there's a task force assigned now which monitors the companies for commissions swindles and some of those are larger then you can imagine friend.

I've watched David and so called other fiscal conservatives tell me that commissions work out fiscally. I've worked a few sectors telecommunication companies and what not commission checks were bounced, workers were told that little packages no longer mattered, and lo and behold when I finished at one company they wound up paying me nearly double for taking commissions out earlier then they should have. Oh, yes what about all of the fiscal conservative companies which went to out sourcing as a general consideration David? Ten to one David does not want to admit it and everyone sees it as such a small gain but yes commissions do matter and salesman if they would take a contract, reinvest into the markets, and have their own rights over their companies better judgements then they could factor into much better bussiness dealings in the future. How about if you run a company and swindle commissions David and get caught like a lot of these companies are going to be for their backroom dealings on old processors and servers what would that be like? ;-) Just waiting to hear your little scrum of that issue.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

There are two kinds of Republicans in this world moderate and conservative for so long I've picked the moderate that now it is time to consider the path less traveled.

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Enlighten us. What happened

Enlighten us. What happened to the U6 rate? Up? Down?
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JONATHAN ALBRECHT's picture

Mr. Gagnon, apparently you

Mr. Gagnon, apparently you don't know what a fact is. All your points are assertions without support or conclusions. You apparently consider a fact your reading the minds of moderate Republican Congress people.
The undeniable facts are that George Bush's policies through this country into the worst recession in 80 years. That his treasury under his direction took actions to bailout the Financial Industry to the tune of $12.8 trillion. We were in freefall when Obama took the reins of government (January was the worst month of the recession for economic activity). In less than 6 months he has stopped the freefall and we are now at the start of what may be a weak recovery. Now that last one is a conclusion but backed up by dozens of statistical changes in the economy.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield

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David A. Those are the

David A.
Those are the facts. Democrats have done nothing but create havoc since taking over both houses.

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David A. Excuse Lil and Mr.

David A.
Excuse Lil and Mr. Tron, the house both the Senate and Congress were taken over by the Democrats in 2007. Nancy(wind tunnel) Polosi and Harry Reid both took over the leadership of their respective chambers January 5th 2007 and could have swung a Presidential over ride by leaning on weak Republicans in name only. Senators like Snow, Collins and Spector would have easily swung to vote with the Democrats.

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The only thing we can say

The only thing we can say with absolute certainty is that Dubya had the veto pen and didn't use it. Whether the veto would have been overridden or not is irrelevant since there was no veto to override. But go ahead, keep making stuff up.
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RONALD RIML's picture

BobStone says: "The top 1%

BobStone says:

"The top 1% of American taxpayers pay the same amount of Federal Income Tax that the next 95% pay. Nearly half of Americans pay nothing."

Nearly half of Americans pay nothing?

Really?

How do they manage to escape taxes on sales, fuel, tobacco, alcohol, communications, property, self-employment, excise, FICA, state income, etc even if they do manage to keep their federal income tax liability below nil?

Care to explain that one, Bob Stone.....

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When I was a young Sailor - I drank like a Sailor, fought like a Sailor, and screwed like a Sailor. Now that I am old and wise - I have a few scars, but many fond memories.

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Veritas... You are correct.

Veritas...

You are correct. I was referring to federal income tax. 45% of American households pay zero federal income tax.

All the best,

Bob

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As long as some here are

As long as some here are making a list of American fascist lovers, don't forget Joe Kennedy. To paraphrase: the LEFT hates hearing their famed leader (-fill-in-the-blank-) being brought to task for his support of (-your-favorite-totalitarian-) and silently slink any bit of that into a re-written history.

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You took my quotes and

You took my quotes and dictation without my knowledge or applying any due credit to the substances which you use in your own postings which means that you are a very confident and egotistical person. You believe that credit should not be placed for statements which point to a directional confidence boosting for you. Re-written history seems to be the colour of cowards and stealing a thought train or process was a factor which Hobbes feared most in man and common understanding of law and ethics.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

There are two kinds of Republicans in this world moderate and conservative for so long I've picked the moderate that now it is time to consider the path less traveled.

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JoeZ, you list your location

JoeZ, you list your location as Lewiston. There must be some free class, say at Bates, to help folks for whom English is a second language. Do look into the availability. It would help immensely to keep your posts from sounding like pure gibberish.

Hobbes was a jerk. I prefer Calvin: People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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No Hobbes compared the evil

No Hobbes compared the evil of his days with the operant conditioning schemas present within the general public. Which did not reflect the intellect of the whole in the community which was widely viewed as a battering ram to the central establishment of the time. Freedoms and rights were debated freely and it seemed that many common folk were not given their deliverance for rights and subtle actions of who they had elected to general council of parliment. Forgive me if I'm wrong but Hobbes called to question motives of those elected and their subsets of what they performed for their actions. Which also constrained the general populace when they debated freedoms for others who would forge the economic conditions and climates whereby opening up freer markets as opposed to a blood right brought forth by monarchy.

Man is creul, when monarchy is total, man loses at face value, and the violent society explodes call it what you will at face value but do call it truth. Remember, when Hobbes came forth they wanted to hang him without patternings of freedom of speech in place. As well several other poets and writers were also put up for hanging during the civil war in what is now the United Kingdom. Catholics against Protestants of course you do not need to include that to the general public as well correct there Frosty? I mean expressions should be limited and history should be re-written to your own lengths without worry of telling others the conditions of historical climates right?

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

There are two kinds of Republicans in this world moderate and conservative for so long I've picked the moderate that now it is time to consider the path less traveled.

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David A. Lil please, the

David A.
Lil please, the President at the time of the bailouts was a lame President who had no power of veto against a House of Representatives controlled by your beloved Democrats. That excuse is lame as you can get lame. The economy is this current Presidents problem now and he has done nothing but make it worse. You complained about Bush's trillion dollar deficit yet this clown of a President has doubled it for the near future and has quadrupled it for the distant future. Nothing has been done to give incentive to the markets for the long term and will only create so much inflation to the point of another market downturn through the devaluation of the dollar. In case you haven't heard, financial speculators are already betting against the dollar because of all the deficit spending that has taken place. Deficit spending is not the answer.

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Please don't trouble him

Please don't trouble him with facts. They just get in the way.
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JONATHAN ALBRECHT's picture

Democrats have fought

Democrats have fought socialists for more than 100 years. They pursue policies which are absolutely consistent with capitalism. So decribing Democrats as socialists is simply a lie. On the other hand the same can not be said for the Republicans. In 1932 & 33 an agent for J. P. Morgan Bank went to Europe to investigate Facism. The agent reported to a group of manufacturers assembled by the bank that French Facism was best for the US and provided a detail analysis of German and Italian facism. The group agreed, committed $300 million to arm and raise 500,000 former WWI soldiers in a group called the Liberty League whose mission would be to arrest Roosevelt and install Major General Smedley as dictator. The plot was prevented. But the Republican party has followed the principles of French facism to this day. All the facts are included in the investigative report of the Mccormick Committee.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield

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Jon... "They pursue policies

Jon...

"They pursue policies which are absolutely consistent with capitalism."

This is probably most interesting statement I've read in a while.

Thanks for sharing.

All the best,

Bob

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Very true Jal also remember

Very true Jal also remember how much the right hates hearing their famed leader Henry Ford being brought to task for his support of Nazi's and silently slink any bit of that into a re-written history. As in the case of several of Newt Gingrich's books and Ann Coulter's as well trying to rewrite history to fit their own views. When you know that currently they can support the hatred secretly and grow it into their own networks.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

There are two kinds of Republicans in this world moderate and conservative for so long I've picked the moderate that now it is time to consider the path less traveled.

JONATHAN ALBRECHT's picture

Frostproof and Bobby "I have

Frostproof and Bobby "I have rocks in my head" Stone are true believers. Fact, commonsense, moral principle shall never interfere with their Republican lunacy. That's why discussion with them is impossible, but for the sake of others we should point out the many errors they have made. Bob challenged the idea that Republicans bankrupted federal and state governments by pointing to Maine and accusing the Democrats in charge there of doing the bankrupting. Bob you missed 49 other states and the Federal government in your attempted mis-direct people with your little slight of hand. Want to talk about the whole country and the worst depression since the Great one (also created by Republicans the last time they were in charge).
Frost proof missed that as major investors in GM & AIG the US government does have appointees on the board and has appointed CEO's as any major investor should. But no one has nationalized the financial system which would be entirely consistent with the Constitution should they decide to do it. We blame Bush for everything because he was President when it happenned and he approved the government actions. Bush bought AIG, invested in GM, crashed Lehman Brothers, gave guarantees of $12.8 trillion to the financial industry. Obama passed a recovery package and now just 6 months in office the economy is starting to come around. May take a decade to get employment back to responsible levels (4%), but at least we avoided the 25% Bushes policies would have produced.
Bob, you need to go back to school. Tax cutting is not a macroeconomic tool. Tax cutting has no macroeconomic effects (outside of some very minor fringe considerations). Tax policy has no macroeconomic effects. Tax cutting hurts the country while benefitting in this case a few very wealthy people. If half the country pays no taxes and 1% pays the same taxes as the rest - good. That's almost the way it should be. Only it is misleading because Bob's only talking about income taxes. Truth is in Maine the lowest 20% income earners pay at twice the rate of the top 20% (because of sale, property, income taxes and fees). An analysis of other states would show similiar results.
Jon Albrecht Dixfield

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Jon Albrecht... I don't know

Jon Albrecht...

I don't know who you are but I find your name calling quite offensive.

It cheapens your comments... I feel sorry for you.

Bob Stone

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Publik... Why resort to the

Publik...

Why resort to the profanity and name calling?

Bob Stone

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Look for more truth from

Look for more truth from taxpayers appealing to other taxpayers as mid-term elections approach. There i fixed it for you.

extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

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BobStone, in your point 6,

BobStone, in your point 6, please revise from 'wars' to 'quagmires'. We have to try to stick to the vocabulary that liberals understand.

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1. Another month goes by,

1. Another month goes by, and we hear from Mr. Duncan again. Like sands in the hourglass... In a bit, we should be enlightened by a letter from his sidekick, Mr. Tardif.

2. Mr. Duncan's letter this month is long on hyperbole, short on facts. I am not surprised, as Bush Derangement syndrome effects are long lasting.

3. What constitutional protections did Bush attack? Not defined. Maybe it was listening to phone chatter between known terrorist connections stateside and their buddies in the Mideast? Maybe it was the treatment of captured terrorists, all of whom are trying to kill Americans and none of whom were American citizens? I'll bet that the Obama team hasn't changed a thing on both of these points. Where is Duncan's outrage?

4. Bush and the Republicans did a poor job in many respects. I, for one, am a former Republican but I decided to leave the GOP over 2 years ago because I was so upset with the spending and general mismanagement of "moderate" senators like Spector, Snowe and Collins. So, no, not all Republicans followed Bush over the cliff. There are a number of Republicans who hold their nose when talking about Snowe, Collins, Graham and the rest of the so-called spenders. You won't find many Republicans holding signs stating "I Trust Obama" such as the one spotted in Portsmouth yesterday at the Obama photo op.

5. The top 1% of American taxpayers pay the same amount of Federal Income Tax that the next 95% pay. Nearly half of Americans pay nothing. Since tax cutting is a macro economic tool, where else but in the top tax payers could Bush cut? I would submit that you cannot cut from zero. I am far from being in the top 1%, and I am pretty tired of carrying 45% of America around on my back. How about helping out a bit, folks?

6. OK, if the Bush "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes, why is Obama continuing them? What's preventing Obama from pulling the guys out and coming home? I am getting so tired of Obama's wars.

7. Perhaps the most outlandish claim that Mr. Duncan makes is that conservative Republicans bankrupted state governments. He doesn't live far from Augusta, and, the last I knew, there were very few conservative Republicans in the Maine legislature. The destruction of jobs and prosperity in Maine is totally the handiwork of liberal Democrats, who are voted in, time and time again, by Maine's voters. There is nowhere to run and hide from this fact. We've sent people to Augusta to wreak havoc, and they've done a great job of doing just that. People get the government they deserve.

So much for Mr. Duncan's points. Wonderful Kool-Aid, but not much in the way of substance.

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Wrong Stone that also counts

Wrong Stone that also counts all known cellular phones and coverage of "suspected" targets and those who were not even involved. As evidenced by several transactional statements whereby nearly every citizens record fell under tactics. That would be part of the US Patriot Act and remember the failure in infiltrating peace groups by means of such? The loss of jobs is not the Democratic body politics fault as I remember was it not President Bush who shut down the Naval air station which also housed jobs for several Maine townspeople including the Navy exchange and various intelligence operations conducted with civilians in trained practices and exercises? Maybe we should form a record here Stone and that would be that by discarding facts and points you leave yourself open to a range of questions. Tell me why infiltrating peaceful groups was written into the Patriot act, tapping phones was legal, and cutting down intelligence operations in areas whereby it would not have been noticed have weakened the trust which we hold in our government and body politic? That destruction came from Bush now when push comes to pull please explain why those operations and training exercises and practices were shut down completely? I'd enjoy it more if you were to be one of the ones who fully advocated shutting down the bases; Frost were you one of the ones because Bush disliked the Democratic power base in Maine so much he pulled the plugs? You talk about protections one of our key bases of air power came from the Brunswick base, when that closed we lost finical support of sailors, and then we lost more and more business in the locality of townships. Please, Stone do yourself since you neglected protection information one of the most vital intelligence gathering fliers we had came from that base, when it shut down we lost that out post from Bush, and then we lost the seclusion oh, yes are still not wanting to hunt after Bin Laden. I see that your Patriotism is running away looks like the colours for you flee easily.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

There are two kinds of Republicans in this world moderate and conservative for so long I've picked the moderate that now it is time to consider the path less traveled.

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Joe... Thanks for the

Joe...

Thanks for the comments on my post.

I'd suggest that you remember the saying "Paragraphs are our friends." It would make your comments much easier to follow. Do as you please, however. Three sentence paragraphs make for great reading.

Let me comment on your post, to the extent that I could understand it before getting lost in your grammar.

"Wrong Stone..." My post will be seen as "wrong" to some and "right" to others. We know where you stand. Thank you. I'm willing to understand that people have markedly different worldviews. Time will tell how things work out, no?

"NASB" closure..." The informed reader will remember that the closure was recommended by the Base Closure Commission. It is accepted, or rejected, as a whole, by the President. My opinion on military bases is that we have far too many overseas and should operate as many as possible in the United States. I think that we need to rethink our force structure in this age of assymetric warfare. Air carrier task forces can project force, if needed, quite rapidly anywhere in the world. And we have the demonstrated capability to move considerable personnel and support equipment in a hurry, as demonstrated by Kuwait and Iraq ramp ups.

Other than that, could you please translate?

All the best,

Bob

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It was not over sea's do you

It was not over sea's do you understand that their were intelligence trainings conducted on American soil how does that relate to the conduct which you have mentioned above and far to many over sea's is Brunswick over sea's to you and thereby not important? How about I translate this for you we lost intelligence training and operational expertise because a moron like you decided to be a sitting dog. It was in the United States not over sea's with intelligence operations being conducted over the air to lend support to various troops. You are not smart enough to understand intelligence and thereby let me point out Flemming for you.

Ian Flemmings intelligence reports in Bond novels were correct in running covert operations. By running different bases from the sea it allowed for different spy planes to conduct from unnoticed locations. As you will have noticed when you count how many of our intelligence operations were conducted without the lose of the Brunswick base as per preparing and sending intelligence planes to the Middle East. Which the Sun Journal noted in several articles during the base closure. Also, that plays a strong part in several of the intelligence agencies to the present day. Air force task bases are limited toward the number of bodies they can hold, sending force means going against perhaps SAM's, and or heat seeking guided rockets. I find your assumptions quite boring really as your details are little more then a farce to support your own opinions which are at a lost.

You must also remember for ground based operations that would include halo jumping of which a limited number of special forces and operation intelligence officials have. How about a translate for understanding that this is not a simple game as you point out. The SAMs and heat guided missiles can be directed and re-directed which makes several intelligence planes that flew above their reach well expanded and expounded when they gave detailed reports to troops. It was not an over sea's air base it was situated in the United States of America if you have a problem explaining that and relating then please tell me why the President approved to close a base which as you state should have been needed by the United States. As for the Flemming stated that is Ian Flemming whose idea's are still quite useful to this day and expanded on greatly.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

There are two kinds of Republicans in this world moderate and conservative for so long I've picked the moderate that now it is time to consider the path less traveled.

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Ever since the 1960s

Ever since the 1960s liberals have been slinging around the word 'fascist' as if it were a synonym for 'Republican'. It's no surprise that the Dunkster continues the tradition.

Within the lifetime of some who read this paper there was a regime from which we derive the modern meaning of fascism: a parasitic joining of government and big business. The regime was Mussolini's in Italy in the 30s and 40s. It's still not clear whether government was the host or the parasite. Just remember that it did not end well.

Since taking office Obama (1) fired the CEO of GM and replaced him with a lapdog (I missed the announcement that BHO was appointed to the board) and nationalized most of the automobile industry, (2) nationalized the banking and investment industries, and (3) is trying to nationalize the insurance industry - whew! - all the while blaming Bush for everything, including continental drift.

If that's not enough to convince you that our president is today's leading expert on fascism, then consider the private army he's organizing consisting of thugs from ACORN and SEIU, who make Mafia bent-noses look like altar boys. I wonder what informal title they will use - il Duce and der Fuehrer are taken.

And, I almost forgot, consider the two 'czars' who in very recent writings have embraced eugenics.

And, as before, folks are already apologizing for him with sayings that are eerily close to: Well, at least he made the trains run on time.

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I guess I missed something.

I guess I missed something. Just curious, who was president when Wall St and AIG started the bailout ball rolling? Turned projected surpluses into record deficits as far as the eye can see?
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And who was president when

And who was president when the next "bailouts" were pushed through congress at light speed, which by the way were double, if not tripple the amount of the first one?

John A. Chick

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (January 6, 1816)

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Might've been the same guy

Might've been the same guy that inherited a massive recession that started in Dec 07.
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If Bush created this

If Bush created this deficit, then it has now become a case of one-upmanship. Obama has exploded the deficit with bailouts and now his hairbrained scheme with Hillarycare. He has even gone as far as tracked and gone after those who oppose him. How's that for facist?

It is the undauntable thought, my friend. The one that says, "I'm right!" ~Bobby Sands

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Bush attacked constitutional

Bush attacked constitutional protections? The ethical collapse of the leftists is nowhere more evident than the frightening "request" to report fellow citizens for making unacceptable comments to the white house. If a republican had done that we would have had to wrap Mr Duncan's head with rolls of paper towels due to the foaming at the mouth and the spittle flying forth. the silence is deafening but expected.

"always do the right thing, it will gratify some and astonish the rest"

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And here come the black

And here come the black helicopters......______________________

"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

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