Public/private health care plan tough to imagine

Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe is shaping up to be a pivotal player again in another national debate, this one over health care reform.

Some Democrats and President Barack Obama favor creating a public option for health care insurance that would compete with the private market. Snowe recently made headlines after announcing she's open to the idea, with certain reservations.

She is the only Republican on the key Senate Finance Committee who seems willing to compromise with the Democrats. Republicans, meanwhile, have lined up staunchly against the idea, pointing out that Medicare and Medicaid are already on the path to insolvency, and that creating a public option would unfairly compete with large private insurers.

This will be a complex and emotional debate, as both sides try to sway the American people to their side. Misinformation and exaggerations are sure to fly as the two sides do battle.

Polls at this point show about 75 percent of Americans approve of a public option. But polling on such questions is often meaningless.

Poll takers never give respondents a true picture. For instance, would Americans still favor an extension of government benefits if it would increase their taxes?

And by what amount? $100 per year might sound OK, but how about $1,000 per year for the average family?

Would Americans still favor a public option if it meant paying income taxes on the employer-paid portion of their own health care benefits?

We doubt it. Americans are already unwilling to pay the full cost of the existing programs, like Medicare, Medicaid and the more recent federal drug benefit.

Those programs are already paying out way more in benefits than they are taking in.

Yet, if a public option isn't the answer, what is?

It's difficult to calculate the real "cost" of the deeply flawed system now in place. About 46 million Americans, many of whom work for a living, have no health care insurance.

Then there are those who would like to retire and would, if only they could find reasonably priced health care insurance.
Then there's the impossible-to-calculate drag imposed upon our economy by our current health care system. We wonder how many people would be willing to launch their own small business, but realize they could never afford health insurance on their own.

How many people have a great business idea but are unwilling or unable to give up their employer-sponsored health benefits to try it?

How many people stick with a job they don't like because they fear being rejected for insurance coverage by another employer over a pre-existing condition?

The lack of dependable, portable health insurance locks millions of Americans into jobs they might otherwise leave if they could only obtain reasonably priced coverage on their own.

Republicans are right in pointing out that it is difficult to imagine public and private insurance competing side-by-side. By it's very nature, a public option would be designed to take current and potential business away from private insurers.
Yet, the current system seems inequitable, inefficient, unfair and much too costly. Americans are rightly fed up with the status quo.

We hope Snowe, her fellow Republicans and the president can find a compromise that works.

This problem is too important for the usual political gridlock to prevail.

editorialboard@sunjournal.com 

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Lil's picture
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I guess the real solution

I guess the real solution for you, scotty-o is to get a better job and quit whining, and you will be happy your pay was cut only 10%. Now put your name tag back on, the fries are done.
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"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

Scotty_O's picture

So to get to your point, you

So to get to your point, you want to continue cutting my pay through taxes so stay at home bon-bon eating turd stains can get free health care. Oh, and if I do lose my job, I would get one at McDonalds instead of being a societal leech. Too bad I won't see you there, because Mickey D's doesn't offer these three services:
1. Take food Stamps
2. Sell Crack
3. Offer free refills on Allens Coffee Brandy

And by the way, the reason I still have a job, albeit 10 % less pay, is because I have skills that make me valuble. I'm not whining that my pay was cut by a company that was struggling in this economy, but I am whining about tax increases by local and state that will further dig into my income instead of adopting the a true business model of spending cuts when times are tough.

So, here's an advanced "Your Welcome" for the thanks I should be getting from you for donating a piece of the pie I've bust my a$$ for every day for the last 30 years. Drink your box wine, enjoy your government cheese, and see you in Wal-mart on the first of every month when those free Obama-bucks start rolling in.

Scotty-O's picture

Crack Smoker LIl says" a NY

Crack Smoker LIl says" a NY Times/CBS poll 2 weeks ago, 57% said they are willing to pay higher taxes so all Americans could have health insurance, and 72% favor having a gov't plan to compete with private insurers".
So meth addict lil, lets go over this:
(1) I took a 10% pay cut and no raise for 2 years, and boy oh boy I can wait to shell out more cashola. I have a 20 dollar co-pay and I still think twice about going to to the Docs because the sue happy system created by the libs makes the doctors order 20000 tests and fill me up with more co-pay trips to specialists to cover their bottoms.
(2) Obama wants this for all uninsured Americans so illegals need not apply. Sorry Pedro, looks like the messiah is gettting ready to screw you over. HaHa
(3) and lastly, a CBS/NY times poll is what your quoting as your source... even as a conservative, I'm not stupid enough to quote polling coducted by Fox news. But that what make us different, because I realize the truth.

To sum it up, Lil, you are a brain dead circuis chimp. Private for profit health care cannot compete againt the tax and spend retards we have in congress. But if we can Anthem Blue/Cross Blue Sheild a press that can print out endless Benjamins, then they might have a fighting chance.

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Crack Smoker LIl says" a NY

Crack Smoker LIl says" a NY Times/CBS poll 2 weeks ago, 57% said they are willing to pay higher taxes so all Americans could have health insurance, and 72% favor having a gov't plan to compete with private insurers".
So meth addict lil, lets go over this:
(1) I took a 10% pay cut and no raise for 2 years, and boy oh boy I can wait to shell out more cashola. I have a 20 dollar co-pay and I still think twice about going to to the Docs because the sue happy system created by the libs makes the doctors order 20000 tests and fill me up with more co-pay trips to specialists to cover their bottoms.
(2) Obama wants this for all uninsured Americans , so illegals need not apply. Sorry Pedro, looks like the messiah is gettting ready to screw you over. HaHa
(3) and lastly, a CBS/NY times poll is what your quoting as your source... even as a conservative, I'm not stupid enough to quote polling coducted by Fox news. But that what make us different, because I realize the truth.

To sum it up, Lil, you are a brain dead circuis chimp. Private for profit health care cannot compete againt the tax and spend retards we have in congress. But if we can Anthem Blue/Cross Blue Sheild a press that can print out endless Benjamins, then they might have a fighting chance.

Big Love's picture

Helga, you noticed that "few

Helga, you noticed that "few dollars here and there" comment, huh? It never ends with these rambling liberal idiots. That's usually because it's not their "few dollars here or there". The mid-term elections are going to be very interesting.Big Love

veritas's picture
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Barb; Theodore Roosevelt

Barb;

Theodore Roosevelt also wanted a single payer system. What did that make him???
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Lil's picture
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Is that what they're telling

Is that what they're telling you over at Faux News, barb? Nobody in Washington seems to be talking about single payer. And watch out for those black helicopters.______________________

"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

Barb's picture

Lil, the NY times is biased

Lil, the NY times is biased or have you forgotten. Why does the commie Obama want to turn our country into a european stye socialist state? I suggest if you want that sort of health care move to canada or great britain as they love socialists. Obama wants a single payer system period and will not stop until he gets it.

Lil's picture
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Guess that went right over

Guess that went right over your head, since you think 48% is a majority.______________________

"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

Lil's picture
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So, bulky, enlighten me on

So, bulky, enlighten me on valid statistical sampling methods. Should it include 50% republiclowns (even though less than 24% are willing to be associated with the GOOP)?______________________

"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

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You called me a retard Hulk

You called me a retard Hulk I'm a Republican compared to me you look like a facist who just ate his hat enjoy.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

Hulk's picture

That NY Times poll just

That NY Times poll just happened to be a wee bit biased.

NO! NO! That's impossible! The Times would never intentionally run a biased poll! Riiight!

"Out of 895 respondents, 24 percent were Republicans, 38 percent Democrats, and 38 percent were independents, according to a June 20 release from CBS News"

"Similarly, the Times/CBS poll said 48 percent of respondents had voted for Obama, versus 25 percent for McCain, a nearly two-to-one advantage for Obama supporters."

Wow! A majority of Obama supporters support Obama's policies! Who would have ever thunk it.

Remember Liberals lie, it's not their fault, it's just what they do.

Hulk's picture

Joe Alzheimer so succinctly

Joe Alzheimer so succinctly presents the Liberal point of view!

Complete and utter chaotic mumbo jumbo!

Hulk's picture

Joe Alzheimer says: "In

Joe Alzheimer says:

"In uniform by denying medical care that presents the fear that if they allow for that to happen then they will not be allowed to receive the due course of pay which more viable candidates with a higher paying HMO can afford."

Reads like a monkey randomly striking away at the keyboard!

verified

So Helga then that means

So Helga then that means your in support of malpractice for the hospitals to turn away and kill those who they deem unworthy of medical care; thanks.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

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Reagen also knew there was

Reagen also knew there was the core belief that there would be those in the party who would use his message to their own discourse and try the learning moment on others. Which has created Helga's little own self noted biased spins on liberals. Hey Helga you cried out I put my spins on things you want to turn Reagen's own words on their side to create a impasse point? How ultra conservative with a Naziesque bent.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

helga's picture

joe, did you choose to not

joe, did you choose to not read my post or to interpret it the way you wanted? I do not begrudge anyone who has a terminal illness free healthcare. Don't put your own spin on my opinions, it makes you look silly. Do I have a problem paying for some nasty chick to keep having kids and then they receive welfare after they are born to boot? Damn right I do!! So should you Joe, it has to do with the lack of personal responsibility and the state that condones it. By the way Joe, I am far from rich and I am sure my family would qualify for Mainecare, just because you CAN get it does not mean you SHOULD! Joe while you are teaching your students reading and writing, don't forget to slip some personal responsibility training in there, I know that being a liberal and all that is a tall request, but try it.

SC's picture
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Oh and on a second note. I

Oh and on a second note. I am sure Helga is not rich and neither am I or my family - we just pay our own bills. And all the others out there who do this effort have maybe less left over at the end of the month then all those needed who get free health care, food stamps and what else is out there. I just would hope that laziness would not get encouraged by our government. I agree that there are people out there in real need and I would not turn any of them away, but open your eyes who collects disability. I personally know a few who are totally capable to take a job since I see what they can work for friends for a buck on the side.

SC's picture
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See Joe, there is the

See Joe, there is the difference. I was not a kid anymore when Reagen held his speeches. Maybe you should go to youtube and listen to some of them. You are blindfolded in your own way.

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SC and Helga would turn away

SC and Helga would turn away those at the door who need it because it's easier. Just the kind of mindset which they probabally turn away from when HIV/AIDS and MS when it grips others. Because it's not their realities it's easier to turn it off like a criminal outfit just turn aside and it's not longer their to look them in the face. The grim realities are that as a future educator that is going to be my out look and the families of those who I work with. There is no turning aside or picking a side there is work that needs to be done. You call yourselves Republican on a card only. I wanted to become involved and help since seeing Jack Kemp and Reagen put together fine speeches back in the eighties when I was a kid. Turn aside, change the channel, tune out the realities, and pretend it is not there. Easier to do when it has no affective changes in your lives.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

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The hospitals said they

The hospitals said they would turn away those in need of care rather then taking the mainecare and the money which is going to be due down the road. By State laws that is malpractice. In uniform by denying medical care that presents the fear that if they allow for that to happen then they will not be allowed to receive the due course of pay which more viable candidates with a higher paying HMO can afford. Tell me again Helga and SC you say your to rich you don't care for anyone but yourselves. Makes it easier that way kind of reminds me of a hidden Kremlin agenda in the Conservatives house.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

SC's picture
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Oh Joe trust me, I know the

Oh Joe trust me, I know the struggle of paying for health care. How dare you to make comments like this if you have no idea on how we live and what we have to put up with. Since I was laid of our family has NO health care which means to take care of medical bills on our own. We are still to "rich" to get government help. I speak here for all the people who are willing to pay their own costs and have to do so. There is so much abuse of the system that people who really need it, like the ones with terminal illnesses, can't get the care they need. This health plan proposal does not help the working people at all and not to forget, those are the ones who pay for it all.

helga's picture

joe, a few dollars here and

joe, a few dollars here and there? I will assume that you dont know about the 450 million Baldi owes hospitals for the year of 05, or the 250,000 people in Maine already getting free healthcare. That in itself is disgusting, the only ones (imo) who should be getting free healthcare are the ones who can't afford it and have a terminal illness, and the elderly. Too bad they can't cure the mental illness of liberalism, if they could we would not be having this discussion.

verified

This shows the expression of

This shows the expression of how much harder it is for businesses to want to support it. Have to give the Journal credit for printing that letter from LaBonte who proves worthless on societal questions of taking care of fellow Mainers at the cost of a few dollars here and there from the pay check. Macmac and SC don't really care because it's not their struggles to support those with HIV or MS who can't afford the health care or the treatments. If it sounds tough it has to be LaBonte proved himself as a worthless hole in the hole type of Comissioner who let it be known won't be coming through for the people of Maine.

Joe Ziehm
Lewiston ME

macmac's picture
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higher taxes, fewer choices.

higher taxes, fewer choices. how much longer do we put all our faith in our government to provide "quality of life" I will settle for liberty and "the pursuit of happiness"

SC's picture
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Take it from the rich and

Take it from the rich and give it to the poor.... All who have health care from their employers will pay taxes on it, which means you pay more - period. All who don't have health care from employment can get it free? This is sooooooo fair ........... not

Lil's picture
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In a NY Times/CBS poll 2

In a NY Times/CBS poll 2 weeks ago, 57% said they are willing to pay higher taxes so all Americans could have health insurance, and 72% favor having a gov't plan to compete with private insurers. ______________________

"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

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