Motorcycle crashes kill two

LEWISTON — Police were investigating two motorcycle crashes Monday night in Lewiston and Bridgton that left two men dead and two other people injured.

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A motorcycle rider was killed in a crash with a car on Lisbon Street in Lewiston on Monday.

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People mourn at the scene of the fatal motorcycle accident on Lisbon Street in Lewiston on Monday evening.

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A man mourns at the scene of the fatal motorcycle accident on Lisbon Street in Lewiston on Monday evening.

Daryn Slover/Sun Journal

A motorcycle driver's helmet lays at the scene of a fatal crash along Lisbon Street in Lewiston on Monday.

The Lewiston crash happened at 6:49 p.m. on Lisbon Street in front of Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Witnesses said an elderly woman was pulling out of the restaurant lot onto Lisbon Street when her car was hit by a man on a motorcycle.

The man died at the scene. The woman was taken to the hospital by ambulance.

Lewiston Police Lt. Mark Watson said the dead man had not been positively identified.

People near the crash scene said they heard the motorcycle going fast, then heard the crash.

“It sounded like a cement truck hit a building, that's how loud it was,” said Sandra Nelligan of Louise Avenue. The impact shook her building. Nelligan came out of her home and saw the man lying on the ground on his stomach. She described him as in his late 20s or early 30s. His helmet was a few feet away. The woman in the green Subaru who was pulling onto Lisbon Street was slumped and appeared unconscious, Nelligan said.

Some rescue personnel turned the man over and performed CPR while others helped the woman in the vehicle.

Kim Roy, who works at Professional Piercers of Maine, said she saw the crash happen. Roy said she was helping a customer to their car when she saw an elderly lady pulling out.

“The motorcycle was coming down and smacked the driver's side,” Roy said. “It was a big bang. People ran over to see if he was OK. The ambulance got there quickly.”

Emergency personnel tried to revive him. she said. “It happened really fast."

John and Shari Gosselin of Lucille Avenue were out for a walk when they heard the crash.

“We could hear him opening the bike up, just wind it,” he said. “Then all of a sudden we heard a crash. We were on the scene before there were any ambulances.”

“We got up here and we saw this,” Shari Gosselin said, looking at the scene. The dead man was covered and still in the road. The sedan driver's door was smashed in. The blue Yamaha lay on the road.

Neighbors complained about speed on that stretch of Lisbon Street, from the light at Dunkin' Donuts to the turnpike. “They top that hill” and pick up speed, Gosselin said.

Nelligan said the tragedy was preventable. “This is not Oxford Plains. This is Lisbon Street.”

In Bridgton, police officer T.J. Reese said a man from Massachusetts died after he stood on the seat of his Harley-Davidson, waved his arm and crashed on Route 302 near McDonald Motors.

The 40-ish driver died at the scene, Reese said. His name was not being released until next of kin was notified.

Reese said, "He stood up on the seat of his bike, was waving one hand in the air, and lost control of his bike and fell to the ground."

Harley-Davidson rider Marjorie Loonie, 45, of Melrose, Mass., was also injured in the crash, the investigator said. She "was driving behind him when he lost control. He was tumbling down the road. When she tried to avoid him she lost control of her motorcycle as well."

Neither was wearing a helmet.

Loonie was taken to Bridgton Hospital and then flown to Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston, the officer said. A nursing supervisor said Loonie was still being evaluated at 10:20 p.m.

The two motorcyclists were among four leaving the Trailside Restaurant at about 5:25 p.m., Reese said, with the man who died leading them north on the highway.

Cumberland County Sheriff's Department investigators were conducting the accident reconstruction, Reese said. The crash remains under investigation.

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It is not an accident it is negligence

As a motorcyclist who has been hit and as a passenger in a truck who has been hit it is not an accident, this is negligence. Skidding on black ice and going off the road is an accident. Having a tire with reasonable wear blow out on the interstate and causing a wreck is an accident. Failing to yield the right of way, failing to stop at a stop sign or control device straight or under the influence causing property damage, injury or death is negligence. The guy on the motorcycle and his family do not get a do over because of this persons neglegence and this person and their insurance should be held accountable to the greatest extent of the law.

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Ok Spdkills, here are the facts

These numbers come from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/811159.pdf

They report that in 2007 there were 72.48 fatalities per 100,000 registered bikes, compared to 12.06 fatalities per 100,000 for passenger cars. Thats 6 times the death rate.

According to the website: "Per vehicle mile traveled in 2007, motorcyclists were about 37 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a motor vehicle traffic crash"

And this: "In 2008, 30 percent of all fatally injured motorcycle riders had BAC levels of
.08 g/dL or higher. An additional 7 percent had lower alcohol levels (BAC .01 to .07 g/dL)."

“In 2008, a higher percentage of motorcycle riders in fatal crashes had BAC levels of .08 g/dL or higher than any other type of driver.”

Yeah, I think bikers need to be informed of the danger of riding and make sure they are willing to accept that risk before they buy a bike.

BTW, I am in no way saying that every accident is the bike's fault or that irresponsible auto drivers are not liable for an accident they cause. All I am saying is that every time someone takes of on a bike they are taking way more of a risk than a passenger auto driver is.

 's picture

tron...first I want to

tron...first I want to commend you on not turning this into a political issue. This is a very sad story and people should be cognisant of the fact that family members may read these comments so please use some disgression.

I am very familiar with this area and have seen, first hand, 3 fatal accidents involving a car pulling out of McDonalds and a motorcycle hitting the car. Each time the first phrase I heard from the car driver was, "I never saw the motorcycle" I understand it since there are a ton of things going on (think sensory overload) at that intersection, cars going to I95, coming and going out of the Chalet Motel and other residential areas near by. These are the things I as a motorcycle rider keep in my mind as I ride through there.

Again, tron, I know we usually don't agree but keeping civility regarding this event is a good sign, and I thank you for that. So I will take a moment of silence for the people who lost their lives, and for those who were injured in these accidents.

Motorcycle Crash on Lisbon St.

I know the lady who was in the car. My thoughts and prayers are with her and her family. She is a dear lady who is very good friends with my Mom who passed away just last week. Sad how life works but not much we can do about it, except pray,pray pray!!!

Joseph Keelan's picture

Well said

and it bears worth repeating. Some people commenting here have been cruel. Just keep in mind that people died here. For whatever reasons involved, just realize there are grieving people left behind.

 's picture

Time for a shift in efforts

This is the second time in the matter of a month that a motorcyclist was pulled out infront of and was killed by someone that "Did not see them". (Wilton was the other) In many countries these people would be procecuted and sent to jail. It is time for the motorcyclists of this state to lobby for tougher legislation to truly protect themselves and there loved ones. There is no excuse for not seeing motorcycles we have just as much right as 4 wheel vehicles. I have been involved several near misses in the 10,000 miles per year that I ride and most all have involved two groups the very young and the very old any every time I stop and ask what where you thinking pulling uot infront of me ,or just about running me off the road while they are making lane changes into my lane I always hear " I did not see you or hear you!". So as I see it the best use of our time would be educating all motorists and mandating vision testing and compentency tests for the first several years of being licenced and then begining at a specific age there after.
And then regardles of any other circumstances and just like the new distracted driving law you are personal resposible for the situation created, if your lack of attention kills someone then you should go to jail. Saying you did not see them or they where speeding should be no excuse! You kill a motorcyclist you go to jail!

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SO glad you were there

To witness all this taking place. After all, what NERVE this woman had driving in this neighborhood, heck in this state even! After all, that motorcyle rider had every right to be screaming up Lisbon Street going like a bat out of hell. EVERYONE should have cleared off the street. Wow. Your ignorance just overwhelms.

I drive there

I drive there everyday and have been cut off going the speed limit and have seen several bikers cut off simply because of driver ignorance even while going under. If you have something to say about safety don't let the cat catch you're own tongue.

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Sad

This is how people tend to label those who ride the bikes. I think the simple answer is that another elderly driver caused a fatal accident. It happens all the time and as someone who drives most of my close calls come from elderly drivers. Complete with their middle fingers, cutting off, and brake checking simply to brake check. I nearly bit it when one of them decided to brake check me a couple of years ago driving home in a mini-van and they stopped on an icy and snowy patch of road to read a map.

RONALD RIML's picture

Let's see here.....

No way the car should have pulled out. But it did.

These are the exigencies one must plan for and constantly assess when driving a car, or riding a motorcycle, motorbike, or bicycle down a road - especially an urban setting with businesses, homes, etc.

But when one gets wrapped up in their own cocoon of activity - it doesn't matter who's fault it is. The laws of physics, motion, momentum, mass, acceleration, de-acceleration, kinetics and the transfer of energy are very unforgiving when flesh and bone meet metal and concrete.

You've got to use your head for more than a battering ram.

 's picture

Seriously

Why do motorcycles need to accelerate to go up a hill at 50+ mph and tractor trailers full can make it?? I see it in front of my house all the time, the speed limit is 35 and bikes go well over that speed limit in fact they go by so fast you cant see the color of the bike yet tractor trailers make it up the hill. I have many friends who own bikes and have legitimate complaints about idiot drivers but there are idiot motorcyclists that are out there making it bad for those who are sensible.

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The biker may have revved his

The biker may have revved his bike to alert the driver of the car? Well that's a new one! Isn't that what the horn is for? It isn't always the car/driver that is at fault when a motorcyclist is killed. And you most certainly can tell by sound if a motorcycle is going fast! Knowing the area of this KFC, the woman most likely didn't see this guy coming when she backed out. This area is like the Indy 500, with cars and bikers alike flying through here. Everyone is so quick to blame the car/driver when this kind of accident happens. Can't be the motorcyclist was actually going too fast and came out of no where. Then we have the acrobat on his Harley in Bridgeton. His stupidity leaves some heartbroken people behind.

 's picture

The biker may have revved his

The biker may have revved his bike to alert the driver of the car? Well that's a new one! Isn't that what the horn is for? It isn't always the car/driver that is at fault when a motorcyclist is killed. And you most certainly can tell by sound if a motorcycle is going fast! Knowing the area of this KFC, the woman most likely didn't see this guy coming when she backed out. This area is like the Indy 500, with cars and bikers alike flying through here. Everyone is so quick to blame the car/driver when this kind of accident happens. Can't be the motorcyclist was actually going too fast and came out of no where. Then we have the acrobat on his Harley in Bridgeton. His stupidity leaves some heartbroken people behind.

 's picture

tron, you are such an

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Joseph Keelan's picture

As usual "thinker"

You're over reacting to tron's postings. And although It's clear that both you and he cannot be civil under any circumstances, you must admit you have (on occasion) elected to get into very personal and vitriolic arguments which have nothing to do with the subject at hand. In this case a tragic accident. Sorry he called you names "thinker" but I would have thought you'd be above such trivial jabs. Clearly not though it would seem. Yes, tron pokes at you purposely but in my opinion, it becomes embarrassing and obnoxious to read your petit wars play on through postings such as this. Clearly, you both have valuable things to contribute in these types of discussions but really now . . . can either of you back off and behave as mature adults? Surely you realize this?

 's picture

dumb riders

Hey, You have one chance on a bike,
no horsing around, and slow down on your
flashly rocket bikes. Or, you could be like these
dumb riders!

 's picture

responsibility

the person entering traffic has the responsibility to make sure the way is clear before entering the road. how can you people blame the biker? the Biker had the RIGHT OF WAY!! perhaps the biker reved his motor to get the ladys attention. bikes dont have horns. a reved motor dosent mean speed. no one said they saw him speeding they only said they heard his motor reved.

Tira Cottrell's picture

horns

I haven't lived in Maine in about 10 years, when did they stop requiring motorcycles to have horns?

 's picture

If he was only going 35mph, it is

entirely possible that that woman might NOT have seen him coming over the hill. It is a tricky spot to exit, always has been, and something should be done to fix it. I'm surprise booby isn't all over this, he lives in the neighborhood and should realize the dangers.

Joseph Keelan's picture

Please tron . . .

Tron, I usually appreciate your comments but it's becoming very uncomfortable reading how you and "thinkingman" war back and forth. Although I realize that both you and he cannot get along in a civil manner, I for one, would like to respectfully ask that you dial it down a little. It's because I would prefer to read your comment regarding the subject, rather than the petit wars that you and "thinker" elect to play out in this forum. Just asking sir and I hope you understand.

 's picture

And the same thing if you

And the same thing if you stop. If both of you always blame on the other and put the responsibility on the other to stop, then it never ends...
Frankly, your petty little grade school behavior is quite unattractive for two grown men.

 's picture

First, I said NOTHING

to the newpaper, and since you won't believe me, call and ask.

There are two ways to improve the situation, take the grade down, which would be cost prohibited, or install a taffic signal and co-ordinate it with the lights on St. Croix and Scribner. Very cost effective, probably comparable to the signage and 'views' you did, and it might of saved a life. Not important to you, probably, but that's what a good councilor would do, whether it is in your ward or not.

Heart goes out ...

Such a shame , my heart goes out to this man and his family. I hope that bikers will realize how easily this tragedy can occur. I can not believe what kind of driving I am seeing in lewiston auburn these days. Souped up trucks and cars speeding and maneuvering like a chase going on every day.

Can someone tell me why the police patrol and sit for speeders on streets like webster st near the pond, where there is hardly anyone there but a duck maybe? There they get you for speeding 40 in a 30mph. Why aren't they sitting in this location or on sabattus st near holy family church before something else happens like this.

God Bless

 's picture

Act Responsibly

KONPHL1C7, ever pulled out of that KFC parking lot? Between the sign posts and the trees you can't see a thing coming down Lisbon Street. Drivers of all types of transportation -- cars, motorcycles, bicycles -- all need to be responsible drivers. A motorcyclist has no more right than any other driver to speed, if indeed that was the case. They choose to drive motorcycles and with that like any other vehicle, comes responsibility. The problem here isn't age or speed, it's accountability and responsibility. Driving is a privilege on a motorcycle or in a car. My heart goes out to the family and friends of the young man that died needlessly last night as well as the driver of the car.

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Why not just state the fact

In the case of the Lewiston accident why not just state the fact, this is yet another case of a driver of a car or truck not looking or being careless and pulling out in front of a motorcycle or turning in front of a motor cycle causing injury or in this case killing the motorcyclist. Again the motorcyclist had the right of way and again the motorcyclist gets clobered by a careless driver and the reporter/newspaper, next they or their surviving family will get shafted in court by lawyers and insurance companies. I know first hand.

RONALD RIML's picture

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RONALD RIML's picture

“We could hear him opening the bike up, just wind it,” he said.

Who said they "Heard the motorcycle going fast?' - You made that one up, J.P.

The quote from the article is above - speed and acceleration are two different things, and neither to excess allow a cyclist ample control in an urban setting where other drivers or pedestrians (including children) may dart out in front of one.

Though she may have exercised contributory negligence, he failed to have his cycle under his control. And we know how he paid for that.

 's picture

Loud Pipes

Thank goodness for loud pipes... there they go saving lives again... (well in the case maybe saving a lawsuit?) seems more witnesses "heard" the motorcyclist revving up to the max in the KFC crash than ever saw him! There will hopefully be enough testimony to vindicate the poor person exiting KFC who got nailed! As for the other guy in Bridgton... if I had been behind him, I would have surely stopped, and his last vision would have been of me applauding.

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John Clement's picture

what was so bad about that

what was so bad about that comment?

 's picture

Maybe the victim in the

Maybe the victim in the Bridgton crash was Loonie also. Very needless way to die. Too bad for their families and other loved ones that are left to mourn.

Melissa Greenwood's picture

Name not being released

The victims name is not being released but the name of someone in his party's is? Should not be too hard to figure out who he is (for those they knew he was going for the ride with these friends)

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