"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they’re not entitled to their own facts.” — Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
In a recent op-ed, Jonathan Carter charged wind advocates of “distortions and misrepresentations” in making the case for wind power, but then went on to make a series of assertions that defy logic and have no basis in fact (July 25). Let’s separate fact from fiction:
He says that almost 30 acres of forest would have to be cleared for every turbine installed. In fact, the real figure — based upon actual experience in Maine — is closer to 3 acres, including roads and the area immediately around the turbine.
Claims are made that we will lose the carbon-reducing potential of the forest, cut to make way for the turbines, thereby offsetting the carbon gains from wind power. But here again, the fact is a typical wind project will provide 200 times the clean air benefit of not doing the project. A single 120-megawatt project, for example, will offset about 90,000 tons of carbon dioxide a year versus 450 tons held by the trees on the site if the project doesn’t happen.
Probably the most egregious misstatement wind opponents make is that there really aren’t any pollution savings from wind power — that the reserves necessary for when the wind stops cancel out any gains in carbon savings.
One Maine editorial put this claim in a nutshell: “nonsensical.” When the wind is blowing, the energy directly reduces power produced somewhere else and, in Maine and New England, that’s almost always fossil fuels (usually natural gas). The argument Carter makes has become an article of faith for wind power opponents, but it’s flat-out untrue. Study after study — and real life experience both here and in Europe — has proven that the amount of online reserve necessary to make up for the fact the wind doesn’t blow 100 percent of the time is very small (about 2 percent) and getting smaller all the time, as grid operators learn to manage wind as a part of their energy mix.
Additionally, “... wind power now produces about 3 percent of Texas’ electricity, enough to avoid about eight million metric tons of global warming pollution per year.”
The same website quoted above also asks what sustainable energy sources would be most capable of producing a significant percentage of our electrical energy. The answer? “Wind power and solar power are both quite viable sources of energy. At present, wind power probably has the edge.”
Ironically, both of these quotes are from Carter’s own Forest Ecology Network website. It looks like he was for wind before he was against it, as the man once said. Now he says, well, he’s against mountaintop wind. But that’s where the strong, reliable wind is; this is like being for hydropower, just not in rivers.
Carter says that because China has invested heavily in wind power and is still building coal plants hand over fist, it proves that wind power doesn’t offset fossil fuels.
This one gets a zero on the believability scale. The demand for electricity in China is growing so fast that the Chinese are building everything they can to meet their needs — including coal, nuclear, gas, solar, hydropower and wind facilities. To imply (as Carter clearly does) that China is forced to build the coal plants because of the wind projects is just ludicrous.
Carter claims that property value declines of “20 to 40 percent” have been “documented” near wind projects. We are unaware of any such case and, in fact, the best actual documentation on this question is a recent national study conducted by the Department of Energy, which looked at more than 7,000 home sales near wind projects and found no significant property value effects.
Putting aside Carter’s claims, why should we develop wind power in Maine?
Simply because 87 percent of the total energy we use (about 55 percent of the electricity) comes from oil and natural gas — of which zero comes from Maine. Zero. As we move toward electric heat and cars, the demand for electricity will grow, even after a solid dose of conservation. So we must ask ourselves: Where will the new power come from? Of the options available — more natural gas, more oil, a new nuke or a coal plant — wind is an essential part of the answer to help meet the needs of our environment, economy and energy security; it’s clean, renewable, plentiful and, most importantly, made in Maine.
Rather than heeding Sen. Moynihan’s wise words, Carter seems to follow his own creed: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Jeremy Payne is executive director of Maine Renewable Energy Association in Augusta.


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State of Maine finds Fox Island Wind Turbines in violation of noise standard
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Saying we should produce all of our energy here is like saying we should produce all of our oranges here. On second thought, if we get the US taxpayers to help pay to build and heat the greenhouses....why not?
Seriously, wind power is not a good use of tax dollars. $5 billion in subsidies will be required to install Baldacci's dream (nightmare actually) of 2700 MW, but 2700 MW of wind, at a 25% capacity factor, will only provide about 4% of the 16,000 MW electricity used by the NE grid on an average day. Wind power is nothing more than a symbolic feel good gesture in terms of our use of electricity.
If that same $5 billion was used for energy improvments to Maine homes it would equal about $10,000 per household. Imagine how many jobs that woulld create! Imagine how much foreign oil could be saved.
As it is, there are no programs in place that match the aggressive push for wind power. Angus King likes to say that wind power is not the silver bullet, it is like a silver shotgun pellet. But where are the other pellets? 95% of all renewable energy subsidies are going to wind power. Compared to the spending of our children's and grandchildren's borrowed tax dollars to deploy useless wind turbines built overseas, which actually increase the use of fossil fuels and emissions due to the stop and go inefficiency required to regulate the erratic output, conservation and efficiency programs - which everyone agrees are the most cost effective ways to reduce fossil fuel consumption - get almost nothing.
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I am a nimby with a small wind turbine in my front yard and 400 watts of solar panels. Total cost = $3000 I live off the grid for ten years. No generator.
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$3 million a turbine x 1000 turbines = 3,000,000,000 how much is that?
now divide by $ 10,000 an (on site home solar set-up) and how many get off the grid?
Please take the same stimulis $ for these huge, inefficient ,mass animal lair destroying turbines, and give to the average home owner/ tax payer. many jobs in the administration of this package.
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Wind energy rates at 1.2 w/m2 (watt per square meter), solar at 6.7 w/m2. Both are far superior to corn, but they are incurably intermittent. Natural gas is about 28 w/m2; oil is about 27 w/m2. Nuclear produces about 56 w/m2.
Simple math shows that gas or oil has a power density at least 22 times that of a wind turbine, while nuclear is eight times that of a solar facility. This means that wind and solar have to use more land, steel and ultra-long transmission lines, which reduces the projects economic viability and their ability to scale. They cannot compete.
This also means we have to replace high-power density sources that are reliable and low cost with low-power density sources that are highly variable and high-cost.
As Maine tries to impose this subsidy grab on its citizens by self-serving politicians,, these facts of nature cannot change!(Ask Dr. Phil Hill of UMO concerning Energy Density and Wind).
We can change the 'dense politicians' however, which is most fortunate. Self-serving Wind Scamming has been legislated in Maine, it must be changed this November.
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Giving subsidies to Maine people for weatherization makes total sense. Industrial wind makes no sense. It supports the "Power Elite" of Maine. The milking of the average citizen in Maine, for new transmission line, to support Iberdrolla, is foolhardy. Every month, you will pay and pay, and King et. al. , Gardiner, others, will laugh and laugh, all the way to their next merger and financial scheme, in the name of GREEN ENERGY.It is green all right, your greenback! , from your pocket , to theirs, with a smile on their face.
The "Taking of Land in Maine", to support the power elite’s BLOWTOY fad energy scam, makes no sense. Giving Ex-governor King, et.al., his next energy scam for his next cricket match makes no sense.
Giving a low income Maine resident insulation for his old home, makes sense. Making Mainers, some of the most highly taxed people in the country, poorer, with higher energy bills caused by BIG WIND is a scandel in the making.We should have power to Mainers at reduced costs .We should not be paying more , as we will be ,because of the perverting of our legal processes in Maine, expediting laws for the "Power Elite".That is what is being done. Wind Turbines never replace CO2 , anywhere. They do make some millionaires more millions though. It is not about GREEN, IT IS about GREED.
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It is not really the Wind Power issue in Maine or" Green Jobs", it is the "GREENBACK", out of the citizens pockets, into vested special interests deceptive coffers. It is the scamming, self-serving subsidy sucking interests in the state versus the average citizen who has not been allowed a voice in the process by the quasi-legal legislated Expedited Wind Law, for example. Its creators, with the scamming wind lobby are what has been in control.They even forgot to record important , decision making sessions? Sure!
But , the public is waking up!
So are Maine businesses, as they know that their electrical costs will be doubling in the "Green Future" shortly if this scam is allowed to continue.
For every Green Job created, 2 to 3 others will be lost in affiliated industries that cannot be the subsidy piggies of the Green Promotion by Federal subsidization. It is a scam of epic proportion. Government picking of energy winners always turns out to be a loser for us all.
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Gawd, here we go again! How many times do we have to hear that stupid repetition that there is a connection between electricity generation and oil? Oil is used primarily in transportation, heating and steam production for manufacturing, plastics, lubricants, and many other uses that provide us with the standard of living we enjoy.
Once again, less than 2% of the nation's electricity comes from oil. Here in Maine, only the old Wyman plant in Yarmouth is oil fired and is used for back up and peak power needs.
Frankly, it could be converted to natural gas and for a tenth of the cost of all the planned wind turbines, could become a reliable baseline facility producing hundreds of megawatts 24/7, just like the Calpine plant in Westbrook. I happen to live in a home that was built for electric heat standards. But I am glad I have an oil fired furnace. I just wish I had natural gas available. I would never, ever want to pay the expense of electric heat.
Wind produced electricity will be far more costly than the mix of generation currently in the market. The announcements of the contracts for wind projects signed in recent months indicate triple the kwh cost than what we pay in the grid today. Wind is a farce that bites the citizens three ways: As taxpayers, we heavily subsidize it; as ratepayers, we pay more for it and the transmission line expansions; as Mainers, we witness the destruction of the northeastern uplands and the western mountains.
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Yep! I sure wish the citizens could have a full time paid shill for their point of view. Payne rolls out the usual wind industry propaganda to attempt to discredit a citizen who actually researches the real information about wind that the industry doesn't want you to know. This state has had a relentless misinformation campaign from numerous paid staff from the wind industry and their self serving supporters who want to jump on the subsidy-sucking bandwagon. Its about time we hear from the citizens' side of this travesty.
Well, Jeremy, you can twist and spin selected information all you wish. But I know these projects, too. The bottom line is wind is unpredictable, unreliable, grid-disrupting, and an economic and scientific farce. When the best one can get from wind in Maine is maybe 30% and most proposed locations will come in well under that, it makes absolutely no sense for this state to destroy 350 miles of ridgelines, permanently clearcut 50,000+ acres of forest, and create 1,000 miles of connector powerlines for a fickle trickle of electricity for Southern New England. That is a travesty! If it weren't for the heavy subsidies from the taxpayers and the preferential treatment that the wind industry, the bastard son of Enron, has lobbied into place, there wouldn't be a wind turbine built anywhere.
Your job is to be a paid shill for the industry, to perpetuate the propaganda machine for the wind folly. My job is to be a conscientious citizen, protecting the state I have lived in for more than 60 years from the devastation of the greedy plunderers you represent.
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'Paid shill' is wrong. The definition of the word shill is someone being paid. So saying 'paid shill' is like calling someone a 'teaching teacher'. For example, I wouldn't call you a 'selfish NIMBY', because that would be redundant.
Also, shill in general is wrong. A shill is someone pretending to be unbiased. This is an article written in the Opinion section, by someone clearly identifying themselves as being associated with the Renewable Energy industry. There's no misrepresentation there. Try sticking to the definitions of the words as we all agree on, the ones listed in the dictionary - it's easier that way.
I love your emotion though. It's almost a substitute for the facts!
I have to say, however, that you're doing a lousy job protecting the state from the 'greedy plunderers'. Maine's entire economy is based on using up natural resources. Logging, pulp & paper, commercial farming, fishing, mining. Where were you when we overfished the Gulf of Maine? Busy probably. How about when the paper industry stripped the forests and polluted the rivers? Couldn't be bothered to comment I'm guessing.
But when a small piece of Maine's industry creeps into your limited view, it's a 'travesty'.
I don't think it's the State of Maine you're protecting, it's the State of ME you're really worried about.
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The Wind industry and its champions are extremely adroit at minimizing its costs and negatives and glibly touting it’s purported benefits, relying on smooth marketing “facts,” calls to patriotism and home-grown energy. There is no mention of its abysmal production capacity; try and garner that information, it is not readily available. 30% of nameplate capacity is a rule, and that is generous. The wind projects slated for the Maine mountains will rely on CMP’s expensive new transmission project to carry that intermittent energy out of Maine to markets in southern New England. You and I, the consumers, will pay for that. Take a look at the quarterly report CMP sends its customers, and you will see we have already exceeded the 30% renewable standard, the majority of it from hydro power.
The media has not yet brought to the fore the impact of existing projects. Why is that not debated publicly? Take a closer look at Mars Hill, Stetson I & II, and the Kibby projects. Is this how Mainers want their state to look? It will under the governor’s expedited wind legislation, 360 miles of it. We are talking about the cumulative effects of industrial sprawl, not individual projects here and there. Public funds have gone into protecting many of Maine’s priceless views. That will be our money squandered.
Industrial wind mountaintop development – sprawl – will destroy the Maine we all know and love. There will be no “energy independence,” just expensive utility bills and power that must be backed by fossil fuel generation, as wind can never provide load capacity on the grid. The media needs to step up to the plate and provide the visual elements of existing projects, dig into and produce the amounts of energy they are currently producing, if any, and facilitate engaging the citizens of this State in an open debate as to the real facts of industrial wind and whether or not it is something we should pursue at all costs.
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Sorry Mr. Payne. Based on my personal experience in dealing with First Wind's PR front men, I'd believe Charles Manson before I believed anyone associated with the wind power industry. Just one lie after another ...and right to your face. That's been my experience. You can twist your story any way you want to but there's a large and quickly growing number of people in this state that are catching on to the scam that is industrial wind power. You'll soon find that we're NOT the bunch of dumb hicks you thought we were. There is brain power north of Augusta. Keep your arogance to yourself the next time you feel the urge to write an article like this one.
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So, Jeremy, we should believe your version of facts? Mtn. top cutting with spraying to prevent regrowth cannot be good. You fail to mention the carbon just to mfg. the windsprawl. You ignor the studies from Europe which document increases of CO2 in spite of turbine sprawl. You omit the bird and bat reductions since the windsprawl fad in Europe. In short, you disregard pertinent info to make your "facts" seem more palatable. You are an industry schill and have a vested interest in promoting windsprawl. HydroQuebec sealed a deal with Vermont to sell power for 6cents per kwh. Why can't Maine have cheap hydro power from next door and save our mtns?
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When I read about First Wind’s parent, “UPC”, I wonder if it is an acronym for “Under the Pretense of Carbon”. The entire rush to wind in Maine and many other places has been done under the protective cover of fighting carbon dioxide emissions. Normally something that would defile Maine like 1,800 turbines would draw fire from the environmental groups. But because CO2 seems to trump all in the minds of some, the environmental groups are not only not fighting the onslaught of the turbines, but they are battling for this. (Fortunately some are taking a new critcal look at wind). But put into proper perspective, the 1,800 turbines represent a major impact for minor CO2 reductions.
1. Governor Baldacci conspired with friends in the wind industry to create his "Expedited Wind Law", absolving industrial wind expansion in Maine from scrutiny that would otherwise be in place and protect the environment and people.
2. His goal of 2,700 nameplate Megawatts means 1,800 turbines each 400' tall on our beloved mountaintops and ridges for which he has zero respect or understanding. Because the turbines require spacing of 1/5th of a mile, if put in a straight line, the 1,800 turbines would stretch for 360 miles.
3. A 360 mile line of turbines could be seen for many miles on each side and from a pure viewshed standpoint, would industrialize views over a large percentage of the state. Beyond this (and all the poor people these would affect), there would be other major impacts including massive new transmission lines that would run through people's backyards down to Kittery costing ratepayers BILLIONS, new roads, clearcuts, herbicides, erosion, siltation of trout streams, wildlife habitat fragmentation, bird and bat kills and likely an increase in insect pests due to bird and bat kills, etc. All in all, a MASSIVE impact.
4. One can get a sense of the CO2 impact by looking at NRCM’s statistics on this at http://www.nrcm.org/maine_wind_projects.asp Look at the industrial wind complexes for which they have complete data: Stetson Ridge, Beaver Ridge, Kibby, Oakfield, Rollins, Record Hill and Vinalhaven and you will see that these represent 364 MW and 499,078 tons of avoided CO2 annually. Moreover NRCM data show that it would take 102,899 acres of Pine-Fir forest to sequester an equivalent amount of CO2 annually. OK, now project these figures from the 364MW to Baldacci’s 2,700 MW goal for the state and you will see that the Pine-Fir acres required to sequester the equivalent of 2,700 MW equals 763, 262 acres.
5. Note that these 763,262 acres represent only 4% of Maine’s 17.7 million forested acres --- http://www.stateforesters.org/files/2006%20State%20Forestry%20Statistics...
So observe that what Governor Baldacci and NRCM are advocating is a major impact on our state’s core element of quality of place – for a CO2 avoidance equal to only what 4% of our forest cover does naturally. Note please that Maine’s 90% forest cover is the highest in the nation.
6. But 4% is actually very high and the number is really closer to only 1%. The CO2 avoidance of 4% must be lowered by the following factors:
a. Fossil fuel combusted for spinning reserve but also for the fact that when in-filling for skittering wind, natural gas backup plants operate in highly inefficient mode, generating excessive CO2 - BECAUSE of wind. Just like a car in stop and go traffic burning up gasoline inefficiently. It's the skitter of wind that makes wind's spinning reserve so polluting.
b. Electricity used by the wind farms from the outside grid ----- http://www.aweo.org/windconsumption.html
c. Fossil fuel that would have to be burnt to compensate for the line loss given the above average distances between the turbines and the theoretical point of electricity usage in southern New England
d. Any difference between the NRCM emissions calculation and actual emissions avoided based on Maine’s actual fuel mix, e.g., hydro and natural gas may have less CO2 emissions than an NRCM generic factor that may include coal.
e. The lost forest carbon capture due to the clearing of forests for turbines, roads and transmission lines
Also, note that the NRCM figures are based on a Pine-Fir forest (Western Douglas Fir, not our Balsam Fir). Maine has a good mix of hardwoods which may have enhanced carbon capture. Due to harvesting and regeneration cycles, it is conceivable that the Maine Woods sequester at an above average rate, e.g., does an old growth Douglas Fir forest have stalled growth and lower sequestration? (Note: “Carbon accumulation in forests and soils eventually reaches a saturation point, beyond which additional sequestration is no longer possible”. -- http://www.epa.gov/sequestration/faq.html)
Another very important thing - forests cool the planet via CO2 capture, but also via evapotransport. The shade of a tree is cool, but the tree itself does not heat up from the sunlight it has blocked – this is due to evaporation. Since turbines cool due to CO2 avoidance alone but The Maine Woods cool through CO2 capture and evaporation, turbines do the total cooling work of far less than the aforementioned 4% of the Maine woods , a number that we already know needs to be revised downward on the basis of CO2 alone
Factoring in everything, it is estimated that the 360 miles of turbine, (along with their roads, transmission down to Kittery, clearcuts, erosion, siltation of streams, required herbicide, effect on wildlife and humans) likely perform the cooling work of somewhere around 1% of the Maine Woods.
Is this not MAJOR impact for totally minor CO2 effect? Yes, a very bad tradeoff for Maine. Not to mention the effect on tourism and other businesses due to the increase in electricity costs that wind power inevitably brings. But people like Governor Baldacci, collegiate academicians and environmental non-profit organizations usually have zero experience running businesses, making a profit or meeting a payroll. So they know not of the real world and the incredible impediments to business presented by Maine which their misguided actions would clearly make worse.
Maine produces the least amount of CO2 relative to its acres of forest than all states except Vermont and Idaho. See slide 13 in the presentation downloadable at: http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/maines-wind-goals-co2-and-the
Maine has the oldest housing stock in the nation in a cool climate, so it should be focused on weatherization and efficiency, which can cut emissions and fossil fuel use by 50%.
Maine needs to reject the cookie cutter renewables goals (20%) that may make sense for a high CO2 emitting low forest cover state. Moreover, Maine must allow hydro to be counted as a renewable. Baldacci and the wind industry have made the law such that hydro is NOT counted as a renewable. Guess they need to stand out in the rain for awhile. Actually, that is just Baldacci and others protecting their friends in the wind industry. In fact, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is called dirt cheap Canadian hydro that is dying to get into Maine but is being thwarted by politicians beholden to the Big Industrial Wind, an industry started for all practical purposes by ENRON.
Perhaps if Maine wished to lower CO2, it should investigate minor adjustments in forestry practice to optimize the Maine Woods’ carbon capture. If practical and desirable, this could capture many times more carbon than all of Governor Baldacci’s envisioned wind farms, otherwise known as the $ugar plums dancing in our Governor’s head.
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the NIMBYS where are they. I guess they haven't been told about this article yet their grapevine must have broken down or the string 'tween the tin cans must have been cut. They will be here they can't afford not to try to "dis" any and all who would like to see us get out of the mess we are in with oil.
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You knew it was only a matter of time before the Hill People came out of their caves. I'm convinced they spend half their day scouring the internet for 'maine wind power' articles so they can cut-n-paste the same emotional, selfish misrepresentations. (The other half of their day is spent shopping for khakis that match their Saab's interior.)
These are selfish Nimbies, no question. These are CAVE People. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAVE_People. With a Drawbridge mentality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality.
You'll find selfish people like this everywhere, unfortunately. They want all the benefits of modern technology, all the comforts it offers, and the freedom to enjoy it, just as long as they're not personally inconvenienced by any of it.
It's not some weird coincidence that these people live up in the hills, far away from industry. They chose to live there, so they didn't have to see any of the ugly reality of technology that provides them with their Volvos and their cappuccino machines and their Mac books and their LLBean outfits and dog beds. They don't want any reminders that it actually takes industry to produce those things.
Same old story. There will always be people like this. Their arguments say it all - they're not dealing in reality. They don't have any solutions, just overblown criticisms. They want a debate of wind power vs. an imaginary magic energy box. Of course, if such a magic box did exist, they'd prefer that it be located far, far away from them. (I hear the 'box' creates a low-frequency hum that turns local wildlife into zombies).
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