DIXFIELD — Panelists and townspeople at a public hearing Wednesday night blasted what they believe are insufficient state regulations to govern the half-dozen or so wind farms proposed for western Maine.
The hearing was sponsored by the River Valley Alliance and the Friends of Maine's Mountains, groups that oppose such developments. Other groups, such as the Friends of Spruce Mountain in Woodstock, were also at the hearing.
Among the panelists was Robert Rand, an acoustical engineer from Brunswick, who described the potential effects on people of the sounds made by the blades and generators of turbines.
During much of his talk, he played a recording of a turbine operation he said was made at a small operation in Freedom.
Such noise, he said, has the potential to adversely affect people living as close as 2 miles from an operating turbine. He said the frequency and decibel levels could result in the inability to sleep, high blood pressure and other maladies.
Paul Druan, chairman of the Weld Windpower Committee that is charged with developing a wind farm ordinance, said that when he attended a similar forum with the sound of turbines turning, one man became nauseated.
Sean DuBois, whose residence was not immediately available, said he believed more studies should be conducted on the possible adverse health effects.
“Don't you think it's too early to judge health effects?” he said.
Rand said he didn't think so.
“There are people in Mars Hill, Freedom and an island on the coast who definitely have problems," he said. "I'm concerned about the lack of peer-reviewed studies by the companies."
He said that sounds from turning turbines do not decrease as quickly over water as they do over land.
A home should not be located less than 2 miles from a turbine, and even then, the sounds could affect people, he said.
Also speaking was Karen Pease, a resident of Lexington Township which is next to the state's largest proposed wind turbine project in Highland Plantation. Independence Wind LLC, whose principals are former Gov. Angus King and Rob Gardiner, have proposed construction of 48 turbines.
She spoke of the effect the siting of wind turbines could have on real estate. She said Maine doesn't have a sufficient number of houses on the market to do comparable studies, but one done in Illinois showed at least a 25 to 40 percent drop in value for homes about 2 miles from a wind project.
“Some are a total loss,” she said.
Also, she said, wind developers are not being required to provide a bond for decommissioning turbines so that they could be taken down and the land reclaimed.
Dan McKay, a major player in the organization of the hearing, said that with the number of people who live in the River Valley area, building what he estimated to be about 100 turbines made little sense.
“Turbines are a chance to shut down the recreational opportunities in the area,” he said.
Nearly 200 proposed turbines are in various stages of development from the Rumford area to Highland Plantation. First Wind LLC of Newton, Mass., has proposed siting up to 19 turbines in Rumford and Roxbury; Independent Wind LLC is proposing the Highland Plantation project and 22 turbines in Roxbury; and Patriot Renewables LLC of Quincy, Mass., has proposed a total of about 50 turbines in Carthage, Dixfield, Canton and Woodstock.
McKay said signatures were being gathered on a petition asking the Maine Department of Environmental Protection to change the acceptable decibel level produced by turbines to 5 decibels above the ambient level in an area currently without turbines.
He said the signatures collected in several River Valley towns and Woodstock would be sent to the Citizens Task Force, which is circulating a petition statewide calling for more regulations on wind development.


Hey Renewablenergy?
Go play in the street, you punka$$ kid
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Seriously? Can you act anymore childish. Who is acting like the kid here? I gave you the information you wanted and tried to be respectful. But since you cant even respect my opinion, it is gloves off. So maybe you should grow up yourself.
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That's what you don't understand. On this forum nobody cares about your opinion. When you say "The sky is blue" you had best post links and proof as to that fact. All you have done is spout off a bunch of your opinions without any proof other than your "research paper".
People are tired of hearing about the benefits of wind power without having any practical data/research information to back it up. You gave out a lot of information with very little proof behind it.
And then, you called older people "stupid".
I may be stupid but you are a punka$$ idiot. One day you will look back and realize just what a kid you were.
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Really cute, have to resort to name calling, maybe you should take a good hard look at how you treat people. I did supply links from the Federal Government and very respectful sources, you just choose to ignore them. There is proof your just not looking at it. So grow up and stop resorting to such low levels, really doing a good job at representing yourself on here.
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there is a problem with Federal Government and Big Wind links.
they are caught in huge tax payer subsidies and need to twist the truth .
Us nimbys searched for the truth, found it and then are censored by the newspapers in displaying the photos and imformation we have.
google The Germany Experience.
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what it would cost for Lewiston to be powered by wind generated electricity, and how many turbines it would take to do it, and what the turbines costs each to install and hook up to the grid. How would affect me directly, not nationwide, but me, here in Lewiston?
This is what people here in Maine care about, not some Dept of Energy report. You kept spouting off how much better off we would be with wind power but you never proved it.
I don't think you really know the facts, or where to find them. I think that "wind power" is your cause of the week so you are dedicated to a crusade of ignorance, because you believe in something you really know nothing about. Thank You.
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I do not think you understand anything about energy or renewable why? Because no one renewable energy source is going to power one city such as Lewiston. You refuse to listen or read what I have posted for you. Wind is a part of the much larger energy picture. Once again cute that you say it is my cause of the week. Are you saying I'm not from Maine either? I have been here my entire life and plan on staying. I have been interested in the environment since I was a young boy. This entire subject is near and dear to my heart. Once my crusade of ignorance? Really? I know more than you ever will about the subject and have given you links to research this yourself but once again you do not look at them. Actually people do care about the Department of Energy report because it tells us where we are getting our energy from. Stop acting so ignorant. If you actually looked at the report you would see our consumption is increasing about 1.6% every year. Where do you suggest we get the power from, for this increasing demand? I have given you the information, so please continue to live in your little ignorant infested world.
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There is no point in arguing with you, you obviously won't listen to reason. So I bid you a good day Sir, maybe you will actually take the time to look at the links I posted thoroughly. Also look out in the future , there will be some informational sessions on renewable energy and climate change. Maybe you will actually learn a thing or two.
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Actually I know who I am by and it isn't being a punk ass. I have done quite a bit for our community and plan on doing more. Nor will I regret standing down from you. It is quite clear your trying to silence me and paint a picture that since I am young I have no idea what I am talking about. I have been studying renewable energy and the environment a lot longer than you have Sir. Grow up and act your age and stop being so bitter about everything.
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Plus I will be studying and working, trying to make a difference here in the world. Trust me call me that all you want it is not going to deter me from educating people here in the area about renewable energy and wind power. So get off your computer and go sit on the porch or maybe actually look at the links I sent you. Have a nice day!
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I take it since you are writing research papers that you are a college kid. I would not have even had the debate about wind power if I had known you were just a college kid.
Ever since I was a kid back in the 60's, college kids have always had a "cause" that they fought for, and always, the "cause" passes without the world ending.
You still haven't posted the facts. If you really believe you are right, then post the facts. For instance, you say that Maine gets 50% of it's power from renewable resources....prove it. You say that wind can make a big difference in our power grid without costing more money.....prove it. Show the facts, not your rants to further your "cause". Give us real data and links to that data. Confine me that wind power is both practical and cost efficient.
Otherwise, you are just another "kid" running your mouth without anything to back it up.
Don't make statements like "It really is quite sad because my generation will be cleaning up you costly and stupid mistakes" without backing up your insult with fact.
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It is quite funny that you think that since I am just a "college" student I should keep my opinions to myself. I will back up my statements. Nor will I take back my statement that your generation royally screwed up by not switching to something greener. Here the following link breaks down where we get our information from. http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/electricity.cfm/state=ME. There should be more than enough information to back up my statements. Also I showed you in a post above that wind power is cheaper than coal. Again backed up my statement.
Also I take it you do not believe in Global Warming. So tell me this why has the WHO, EU, UN, and even the DOD release studies that have stated climate change is a world issue that is going to hit us hard? On the European Union again as I posted above for states the reasons why they are moving towards renewable energy. http://securityandclimate.cna.org/report/National%20Security%20and%20the.... The DOD has requested many different think tank to look into the growing concerns over climate change. So spare me your bullshit about saying that I am just a college student it does not count it does, because you will not be around to see the adverse affects. Look it up for yourself about the impacts of climate change. Might I suggest the IPCC or the UN. They have tons of information. http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data.htm.
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I gave you the respect in previous posts so I respect the same in return. I would also appreciate it next time you not call me a "kid". I am an adult and would expect from an elder to be treated like one. Thank you.
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Yes other forms of electricity production are subsidized to some extent. But what we are talking about here is to what extent and the quality of the product being subsidized . Sorry, other subsidy levels are nowhere near as high as $23.57 a MW!
Is wind a 24/7 maker of electrons to deserve this premium over other subsidized electron producers that make power 24/7?
Well, wind is never a stable, reliable producer, no matter how much money you throw at it. It is "feckless",a tinkle maker of electrons, sometimes, when you may not need them.
It might be competitive eventually, but only if we pay through the nose for it .All the while, it is as ripping apart all sorts of environment for next to no electron flow in the overall scheme of things. Because it is called green does not make it so. Compare it to natural gas, shale gas, biomass, nuclear etc. please.
Are you willing to pay more than double for electrons, for the fad? Are Maine businesses also willing to do this, and unemploy perhaps more? Will increased costs of electrons from this feckless source help anything or anybody? Is the sky falling , is the world dead within a few years? (Al Gore thinks it is of course, but his immediate problem is his divorce settlement)!
And ,Wall Street is laughing al the way , because even though it doesn't work well at all , it does work well for the subsidy sucking scam artists of wall street.
Do you really think Angus King wants to produce electrons, or "green"back? Did Kurt Adams move from a public sector job(PUC) a First Wind CEO because he wants to make an honest living by being a public employee of the Maine Public Utilities Commission? Does he want to be a trustee of U. Maine to improve his academic credentials, or bend ears for his subsidy sucking employer named First Wind? I have never seen pigs fly, have you?
In the essay, Wall Street Reaps Big Bucks from the Wind, the strategy to defraud the public is explored. “The latest rage out of the boiler room sharks that hawk new equity issues touts alternative energy. The hype that is coming out of Wall Street resembles the internet band wagon before the bust . . . Goldman Sachs rushes to finance the offers with their expertise – using other peoples’ money . . . Understand from the outset, that producing useful energy is not the prime objective of wind projects.“
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Once again you are not stating your sources. National Geographic wrote a very interesting article on the breakdown of how cost effective renewable energy is. They go on to state that Wind Energy is just as cost effective as fossil fuels. It costs less then 4 cents per kilowatt hour compared to coal which costs around 7 cents per kilowatt hour. I also take it you do not believe in global warming or climate change. It really is quite sad because my generation will be cleaning up you costly and stupid mistakes. Thank you.
Sources: http://www.coaleducation.org/ky_coal_facts/electricity/average_cost.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1028_041028_alternative_...
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I would be interested to know how much of a tax cut the Town of Dixfield is going to see by placing the 14 or so wind turbines on Holman Mountain. I would also like to know how much my electrical bill will be reduced by these. I think I know the answer to both questions. I live in view of the entire mountain top area where these turbines are suppose to go. If I have to look at them 24/7 then I think I should get something back.
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both will go up. at extremes, law suits against towns because wind company bank rupt
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Now I have heard that statement before and I have always wondered how small of a percentage does wind energy provide. I mean if wind can only produce a small percent of the power wouldn't it be better for the planet and taxpayers to put up more solar panels or other forms of green energy.
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It is quite simple you need more than one source of energy to power the state. Wind will provide a part of it as well as solar. The issue with solar right now is that a lot of the materials that go into making it are being used in China. Plus the efficiency is relatively low compared to wind (Solar efficiency is getting better every year and so isn't wind). We need to stop thinking that one renewable energy source is going to power the entire state or even the country for that matter. It won't, it is going to take many different sources of renewable energy. This isn't the age of oil anymore where vast of amounts of fossilized fuels could keep the entire world running for over a century. It is going to take a combination of wind, solar, second generation bio-fuels, geo-thermal and tidal power to make this work.
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Renew what I am asking is what percentage does the wind actually produce. Wind supporters and wind companies have been using language like that since the beginning. They never give hard facts. That is what I want to see and hear hard facts. Until they produce hard facts is say this is a scam.
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Are you asking how much a single wind turbine can produce? Or are you asking what percentage of wind power is needed to make us sustainable?
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In Europe they claimed that Europe was a certain percentage off oil because of wind, solar, etc. but they never gave the percentage. What I am trying to say is if the green energy created was 98% etc. and only 2% wind. Also how many turbines did it take to create that 2% and at what cost.
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I did a research paper a while back on renewable energy. Here is the break down on what percentage is renewable in the European Union. 66% comes from hydroelectricity, 16% comes from wind power, 15% from Biomass, 1.2% from geothermal, and 0.3% from solar. You can find this information on the European Unions website. I'd be more than happy to send you a link to this. To further answer you question, lets go with Germany. Currently Germany is the largest user of wind energy in the EU. The country is able to create 20,621 Megawatts. This translates roughly to about 18,000 wind turbines of various sizes spread out through the country. The people in Germany do not having so many nor have there been any unseen health affects. To further go with this a 2MW turbine can power roughly 2000 homes in a good location. I hope this helps answer your question. Obviously the state will not put 18,000 turbines in the state because as I stated in a previous post the Energy Information Administration states we already have 30% percent of our energy coming from renewable sources. The EIA does not count hydro towards this but that is another 20%. That leaves of us around 50% coming from non-renewable energy sources. Factor in that the Department of Energy released a report recently stating that Maine has around 20 gigawatts of potential energy production. They factor in a combination of wind energy on land, sea, and of course the new up and coming renewable energy tidal power. This will be more than enough to power the entire state of Maine. The excess energy that is produced can be sold to other states. I really this helps answer the question you have. If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to ask.
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by wind will go to Mainers. That CMP "upgrade" is for the wind companies to hook up to and send their overpriced power to other states.
Oh, but Mainers get to pay the $1.5 BILLION DOLLARS this "upgrade" will cost.
Anyone who thinks differently has their head up their bunghole. (Or stands to make some big bucks for this flimflam.)
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Nice of you to smear the facts. This quote comes right from Business Week
"Iberdrola USA, CMP's corporate parent, sold three natural gas utilities in New England to help pay for the power grid improvements. Iberdrola will pay for the improvements, about half with cash, and half through borrowing. The money will be recouped from New England electric ratepayers." (Business Week)
So before you go saying that the tax payers of Maine are going to be bearing the full brunt of the cost to upgrade the lines think again. Yes we will be paying a slightly higher rate, so wont the rest of New England. Stop spreading lies.
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Mor than enough evidence has suggested that Dixfield is not a appropriate site for wind turbines. Let's get to a vote.
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I disagree, Dixfield is a great place to have them. Building this wind farm will put us one step closer to the RGGI requirements. Again wind power is not going to replace all other utilities in the state it. It is just a small portion of the renewable energy resources we need in order to be sustainable.
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Ct refuses to take wind power, and other states have more brains as well and will be reducing RGGI
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Actually all states that are apart of RGGI have been meeting their quotas to reduce emissions.
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I just want to know what it costs to install a turbine and hook it up to the grid, how much power it will generate, and how much will electric bills go up?
I am not an electric engineer, so telling me how watts it will produce doesnt mean much to me. Please tell me how many turbines it will take to power all of Lewiston.
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It is one thing to make an baseless argument without facts it is another to quote Boone. Your doing the exact same thing as you state in your first post group thinking and not researching for your self. Instead of preaching baseless facts back them out.
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The modus operandi of Big Wind lies in Maine.
-Infiltrate the community-Arrange financial deals, utilize lease squelch clauses and play the power structure of the town against itself, bribe, buy up, buy out.
-Utilize the industry created Exedited Wind law to speed the process, deny basic rights and concerns like noise and legal appeal, lie about environmental destruction, viewshed concerns and ANY economic negative facts.
Have no cost/benefit analysis.
Wind Power is a lie, a non-fact based fad of conniving self - promoting and subsidy sucking snake oil salesmen.
" The slap and tickle of wind propaganda flatters the gullible, exploits the well intentioned, and nurtures the craven. It is made possible because there's no penalty for lying in the energy marketplace. The country has evidently arrived at a point in its legal culture where no negative consequences seem to exist for making false or misleading claims to sell wind energy—the stuff dreams are made of. But industrial wind is a bunco scheme of enormous consequence. And people who value intellectual honesty should not quietly be fleeced by such mendacity, even from their government."
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The Wind Scam in Maine is as despicable and underhanded as Bayroot(if you know what Bayroot is).
In Lincoln,Maine it was based on deception and secretive, non-democratic processes. It was sprung on the citizens there as a surprise , with little time to respond. The process used to site Wind Turbines in Maine has not been a democratic, or scientific one .Basics of civic process are breached, broken. No vote allowed for the Rollins Project. Corporate conniving and financial finageling the rule. Breaching of basic Citizen Rights the game..
The basis for this , the Expedited Wind Process ,was developed by the Governor's Task Force on Wind Power with the aide of self-serving characters like ex-governor Angus King, Kurt Adams, and other self-serving politicians and lobby forces here. The destruction at Kibby Mtn.and Stetson Mtn. is breath taking mountain devastation. All this for Harvard, and other subsidy sucking secretive endowment investments like Bayroot of Yale.
The Cat is out of the Bag!
The groupthink , brain twisted, socially marketed comments of the Industry are a wonderful example of the imbecilic mental forces driving the Wind Scam in Maine.
Lacking science, lacking economic reasoning, lacking facts, but having strong financial leverage from the likes of DE SHAW and other investment bankers to create a TAX and Scam Market.
Facts , After the Fact.
Maine Destruction, without Representation.
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And I don't think there is much truth behind the push for wind turbines.
From the little research that I have done, it seems it would take hundreds of turbines to make a difference in our power grid. And that would dramatically increase the cost of power while destroying woodlands and mountaintops.
A waste of time and resources.
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i suppose youd be ok with putting a coal plant there instead? or do you just want your power as long as its produced in someone elses back yard?
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But i would be ok with nuclear and hydro plants here in Maine.
And I would be ok with subsidizing small wind turbines and solar panels for private homeowners. Private turbines are much much smaller, don't destroy woodlands and mountainsides, and are way more efficient because the power doesn't have to be transfered over miles of transmission lines.
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Small wind turbines do not work, and are very inefficient. That is the reason why they are so large to catch the winds higher up that are constantly blowing. I can provide you studies if you would like on this that would allow you to further educate yourself and others. We need wind farms here in Maine whether you like it or not. Although forty percent of our power comes from renewable energy. There still is the other forty to sixty percent which comes from natural gas/coal/ and oil. Wind energy will allows us to become more energy independent from the rest of the country. Of course wind energy will not be to stop gap in plugging our energy needs but it will help.
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Ok, if you have the information I'd like to know
1. How efficient are the wind turbines you want to install here in Maine?
2. Lewiston has 30,000 people. On a windy day, how many turbines will it take to power the whole town? On a calm day how many turbines will it take to power the whole town?
3. How much does each of these turbines cost to install and maintain?
4. What is the projected cost of wind generated electricity to the consumer?
I would appreciate your information on this, because after all the bottom line is what matters.
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I do not work for the company that is installing the wind turbines, but I will get you the answers you want. What I am trying to do is raise awareness that wind energy is just a small part of a much larger plan to make Maine 100% renewable. This will come from wind, solar, geo-thermal, second generation biofuels, and tidal power.
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It was uplifting to see so many residents turn out at the Dixfield forum last night. Hard work and a desire to educate the People of Maine is truly making a difference, and we are lucky to have people like Dan McKay and organizations like the Friends of Maine's Mountains and the Citizens' Task Force on Wind Power helping to accomplish that goal. I urge anyone with questions about the true impacts of (and the real push behind) industrial wind to take every opportunity to get informed. There is a world of information available from unbiased experts, and many good folks prepared to help Mainers find it.
Respectfully,
Karen Pease, Lexington Twp., Maine
www.highlandmts.org
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