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Obama capitulated to Muslims

Albert Grandmaison
Letters |
Monday, August 23, 2010

The recent TV broadcast where President Obama goes to the defense of building a mosque at ground zero, citing the Constitution, reminded me of a scene from "The Godfather" where a congressman or senator, I forget which, ticked off the Godfather, was abducted and then subjected to convincing atrocities.

Next scene, the contrite representative, at a hearing investigating Mafia influences, rises to defend his friends, vilifying the hearing.

In my opinion, the White House TV broadcast, attended by many Muslims and broadcast throughout the Muslim world, was just such an appeasement, a capitulation.

Teddy Roosevelt was right. When dealing with our enemies, "speak softly and carry a big stick."

It is time to use the stick.

Albert Grandmaison, Lewiston

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conserva-mom's picture

pobgrom

By conserva-mom, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 20:11

Ug...can't argue the points so you decide to insult me. I really appreciate it. I don't mind being the catalyst for you showing your true colors. But I'm not sure how anti-semetic rioting relates to building a mosque near ground zero.

Voisine's picture

Not on GOP Web Site

By Voisine, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 18:39

Conservamom doesn't know about pogroms, it's not on the GOP web site.

conserva-mom's picture

commie-racist??

By conserva-mom, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 09:51

It's common decency....since when is is that a commie racist trait? Well, it's obvious it's not a lefty trait.

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conserva-mom

By seekingthetruth, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 10:07

This joeziehmer is posting wilder every day. His rants don't even make sense. He seems to be following Veritas around and trying to be like him. Even though I disagree with Veritas on every thing (including the color of the sky), at least Veritas does have some degree of intelligence. joeziehmer doesn't appear to have any. His rants make no sense, and he misinterprets almost every quote he posts.

How could he not know that the sickle and hammer were the symbols for the Soviet Union?

I believe he is very young. At any rate, I am not going to respond to him anymore. Just let him rant with his nonsense.

verified

Youth

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 15:54

Well since my age is suspect and seeing how my intelligence clearly is not; I like the fact that you're going to at least shut up. As for you and Conserva did you forget about pogroms? If you want to call me stupid though maybe it is better that an old dog like you keep barking and baying at moon; while the younger dog does all the foot work and gathers intelligence.

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wasn't gonna do it

By conserva-mom, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 23:54

Alright, I wasn't going to do it....but I must. This editorial really got the libs crawling out from under the carpet. Moths to the flame.
First of all, of course it's Constitutional! Do they have a Constitutional right to buy the property and build a place of worship? Yup. Should they have chosen that site? Nope.
The people of New York can choose to keep big box stores away, they should be able to choose to keep this community center away as well. The Imam who wants to build has a similar center 14 blocks away. Why does he need this one?? Only one reason, to cause trouble. He's trying to pour lemon juice on a fresh wound, and if you can't see that, you have no sense.

verified

Not Lemon Juice

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 08:21

This is not lemon juice just pretty typical conserva-commie racist tactics from a mother who should not have raised her children to listen to Prussian Blue. As for looking to cause trouble there were Muslims that day who had lost loved family members; so I can see why this is a sense of closure for them. I love how a conserva-commie loves bringing in the old Russian pogrom debating techniques. You are a real mench for a conserva-commie.

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Get your facts right

By ojhuig, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 18:39

It's not at Ground Zero, it's in Lower Manhattan a couple of blocks away. It does not stand between Ground Zero and any subway or other transportation, so you'd have to go out of your way to be offended by it. And it isn't even a mosque! It's a cultural center that happens to have a prayer room. By the way, did you know that the spot where the plant hit the pentagon is now a chapel where Muslims are allowed to pray every day? Stop this fear mongering and discrimination. Honor peaceful Muslims as you demand they honor you.

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The Mosque IS at ground zero

By RedWhiteBlue, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 20:26

The building that stood at the site of the proposed mosque was actually hit by the landing gear of one of the planes. The property is for sale at 25% of it's pre 9/11 value. How is that NOT ground zero? Muslims destroyed the property, purchase the land, and build a "cooperation" and "tolerance" center (MOSQUE) and we are somehow the hateful ones.

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Muslims

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 09:00

You state Muslims as if it encompasses every Muslim in the general area of religious philosophy this is more racist rhetoric from the Conservatives. When you deny the rights of worship you deny tolerance and cooperation; this is a closure for Muslims who had lost family members I can understand why they sought to build two blocks away. In being hateful you embrace the rhetoric of all Muslims being the same even if they did lose loved ones. Congratulations if this is American tolerance; move to China and join the Government sponsored Church.

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RWB - So you gave up your chance to purchase it???

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 20:58

You could have posted a 'Remembrance Memorial' honoring all that died at the 45-47 Park Place location, and charged admission for your 'Mourn-a-Torium"

What - Nobody was killed there?

Bummer......

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Maybe you could get Obama to

By joe public, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 17:57

Maybe you could get Obama to take Tron and they both could move to the mid east or better yet Iraq ! Love it or leave it ! When will you liberals see what is going on when weall kneel 6 times a day ???

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We see what's going on...... Your mind has been hijacked.

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 18:20

Your mind has been hijacked.

I was on the gut side of "Love It or Leave It" forty-five years ago, and this time around chose the cerebral position.

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The constitution outlines who won

By VoiceOreason, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 17:56

a presidential election. Check it out. Bush won. It was in all the papers. Whining about it and stomping your feet won't change it. Ask Al Gore. He tried it.

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Republican Party At the Extreme Margin of Society

By Voisine, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 16:45

I'm really glad that Republicans will reap what they sow eventually. They have enraged latinos by demonizing them while giving the businesses that employ them a pass. They have proven themselves to be completely incapable of bipartisanship, relying on skewed decisions by far right Republican appointees on the Supreme Court to open the flood gates to corporate influence on elections at every level. They have committed intellectual deceit on a near daily basis with Fox "Republican" News serving as nothing more than the propaganda wing of the Republican party, while claiming to be "fair and balanced." Now, they have enraged Muslims in a gambit to further polarize the electorate because that's pretty much the only way the Republicans get elected. So they might gain in the short term to the Midterms, but in the long run they may have marginalized their "party" to the extreme fringe right and thus, place it in no real position of "power" for decades to come. No one does extreme like Republicans.

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Is there religious freedom in this country?

By Grady, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:41

I thought we at least pretended to tolerate other religious beliefs. Besides, they're going to build an office building on Ground Zero - not a shrine. I'd be upset about that, if you have to get upset over something.

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What About the Strip Joint Closer to Ground Zero?

By Voisine, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 13:20

Hey, do the RepubliCONS care about Bush wiping his feet on the U.S. Constitution, lying young men and women into an unnecessary war for oil in Iraq, not getting Bin Laden, destroying America's economy, or the strip joint closer to "ground zero" than this proposed Islamic community center? Do they? Of course not! They only care about their childish fantasies.

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'Strip Joints' Republicans can relate to.....

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:34

So cut them a huss.......

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Bush and Republicans Responsible for 911

By Voisine, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 13:18

It's really odd that Republicans here are "commenting" about 911, since their worthless President Bush was responsible for it. When he came into office he cared only about "Star Wars," the big payoff to Republican contractors. Let's not forget that this worthless RepubliCON President lied America into a war for oil in Iraq and drove America's economy to the brink of another Great Depression. Republican: Ignorant. Angry. Worthless.

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(Qur'an 8:12)“I will instill

By RedWhiteBlue, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:21

(Qur'an 8:12)“I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

Maybe our President should stop licking boot

verified

Smiting? Ya we have a lot of those in our book too,

By Stacey Wing, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 23:08

that doesn't mean all Christians are going to start doing it.
1 Samuel 23: Therefore David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go and SMITE these Philistines? And the LORD said unto David, Go, and SMITE the Philistines, and save Keilah. Numbers 25:17 Vex the Midianites, and SMITE them: Jeremiah 21:6 And I will SMITE the inhabitants of this city, both man and beast: they shall die of a great pestilence.
Ah, but the most important one that republicans are ignoring in their race to out their "enemies" including anyone that may utter a liberal thought? Deuteronomy 19:11 But if any man hate his neighbor, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and SMITE him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities: 12 Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.
Anyone can cherry pick a religious book. Want scary? Done. Want joy? Done. Want to feel self righteous without feeling guilty about your own sin? Done. Being a Selective Christian won't get you into heaven and being a Muslim doesn't automatically send you to hell.

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Too damned right!

By Old Bill, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 18:38

Too damned right! Unfortunately, Islam is a religion based on conversion by the sword, although there is some provision for allowing non-Muslims to live in peace in Islamic countries. However, they must agree to abide by some very strict laws, laws that discriminate against non-Muslims. And, for all you libs out there that start throwing the Crusades in our faces in an attempt to show Christianity is a religion bent on conversion by the sword, please remember that was long after Christianity was taken over by, essentially, bureaucrats (sp?). There are actual passages in the Koran that spell out the need for jihad against non-Muslims. There are no such passages in the New Testament.

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To Stacey W and Veritas

By seekingthetruth, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 09:31

Both of you used Old Testament scripture to argue against Christians and Republicans. Let me clear this up for you. Christians do not live under Old Testament Law, they live under the Grace of Jesus which was given to us in the New Testament. So, unless you are a Jew living before the Crucifixion of Christ, the Old Testament Laws doesn't apply to you or me. And it's silly and shows your lack of Bible knowledge when you use Torah Law to argue against Christians.

Also, Stacey W. you wrote " being a Muslim doesn't automatically send you to hell."

Actually the Bible says that anyone that doesn't follow Jesus is going to hell. Everybody, including Muslims that reject Christ will be judged and sent to hell.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. John 14:6"

I'd also like to point out something to you. I am not a Christian because I am a good person. I am a Christian because I am a bad person and asked for forgiveness through the Grace of Christ. You guys seem to think that Christians are good people....no, we are bad people just like everyone else, but we are FORGIVEN. Now, the Bible does command us bad people to do good things when the opportunity arises. But even after doing good things, we are still bad people. So, your arguments trying to make Christians out as bad people are senseless.

We are simply bad people that have been forgiven.

As far as the mosque goes. It's a constitutional matter, not a Biblical one. The Bible nowhere supports the building of mosques, but the Constitution does. This is not a religious matter at all, leave religion out of it. It is simply Constitutional law versus sensibilities. The Muslims have a right to build wherever they want to, but this spot may not be a good idea because of the sensibilities of the families of the victims. A compromise should be reached to give the Muslims their mosque while showing respect for these families.

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Read the "Warm & Fuzzy" in the Bible, also...

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:35

Zechariah 14:1-2

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.

One Vengeful Lord - many Religions

verified

Jesus

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:43

I agree with you considering Christians love using the Old Testament as a way of keeping violence positive and charity negative let us consider this gem from the epistle of James.

2: 1-4
"My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?"

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Joe? Do you understand this scripture?

By seekingthetruth, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 13:00

It's saying that a person does not have the faith of Jesus if they are a respector of persons. It gives the example of a rich man being treated like a king, and a poor man being treated like a a servant. And if we are partial (predjudiced) within ourselves then we are judges of evil thoughts.

It says to treat everyone equal and not to be prejudiced, and if we are prejudiced then we don't have the faith of Jesus.

I don't understand why you would have a problem with that scripture.

verified

That's what I just said

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:29

That's what I just said except it's been dumbed down for easier interpretation for various audience members. Veritas I'm done have reviews to write for the day good luck.

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joeiehmer?

By seekingthetruth, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 09:39

Maybe you should only post things that you really know something about. I noticed you getting caught in a bind on several threads lately.

verified

The Picture

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:28

The USSR sign, Jewish Star of David common of Israeli signature of support, and the American colors. Tell me something since you are using the anti-semitic, Pro-USSR theme, and an oft misquoted phrase did you know that the Quar'an states that of atheists and heathens; yet does not say to attack Christians or Jews but rather says to live in peace with them? Do you lick David Duke's boots in you're sleep considering the picture that you use?

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So you can't reconize Obamas

By RedWhiteBlue, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 13:37

So you can't reconize Obamas symbol. You can't understand the symbolism associated with the hammer and sickle, and you think I support Israel and David duke at the same time? Are all libs this bright?

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We're brighter than you.....

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:35

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This comment was removed for

By Pattie Reaves, verified user — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 09:56

This comment was removed for violating our commenting policy.

verified

No

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:21

No, I stated that you did not support Israel are you really this dense at home or just on purpose? I phrased anti-semitic which you did not quite understand so that nullifies you're intelligence for this debate. Kind of like the pointy Haired Boss and being almost hot enough to boil water. In the past tense I stated that you were anti-semitic toward the Jewish state; of course Conservative logic versus Republican logic and we see how the moderates fair when intelligence becomes a failed word for RedWhiteBlue. I did not realize that the Sickle and star were part of the old USSR but I can realize now that you cannot separate anti-semitic from you're David Duke love fest. I associated that you were using the sickle and star with what a Conservative had stated. That Israel when electing certain leaders was embracing leftist agendas when wanting to investigate human rights abuses toward Muslim citizens.

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Really, joe, if you don't

By Old Bill, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 18:32

Really, joe, if you don't know wha the symbol of the old Soviet Union was - the Hammer and Sickle - then you obviously aren't as well-informed as you want us all to believe. Thus, you have just cast doubt on the validity of your posts, past and present. Good job.

verified

Defended

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 08:54

I defended myself and have done so in the past unlike Conservatives the difference are that Republicans see through their own mistakes and apologize. As much as I liked Reagan however the new age Christian animosity and Religious Right has been the framework for several atrocious against none Christians. Even in that it can stem from and be directed toward Christians as well; as a Christian I questioned my faith due to the Religious Right in events such as this. There were whispers in High School and directed attacks by teammates on my own football team that I was indeed a closet Muslim and during Freshman year that several students were suspected of being closet Jews. No wonder why I studied Taoism and Talmud just to finally see the real "light" of a loving Savior in Jesus Christ. Which is apart from political motivations such as the one now facing New York. I agree with John Ashcroft whether or not we choose to take it; this is a symbol of closure for a majority of New York Muslims who had lost loved ones. Just as the icons of a Baptist Church, Jewish Synagogue, Mormon Temple, and Catholic Cathedral are points of closure for New York first responders. You were smug when had called me a liar do you want every detail explicitly labeled and sampled with the APA or MLA college formats? Just that my postings on here will not be rank and file lies and so that my sources are correct?

verified

Thanks

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 08:17

You know if you wanted to be really pent up about it and think in smugness then enjoy yourself. When you state anything invalid from here on out I'll take it under my own conclusions to point it out as such. If you wanted to get under my skin good job Conserva-commie.

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I proudly wear the title of

By Old Bill, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 18:31

I proudly wear the title of Conservative, but I assure you I have NEVER been a communist. Or a socialist, for that matter. In fact, I have always been a registered Democrat, although I am seriously thinking of swithing over to Independant.

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You interpret the "picture"

By Sabine Christakis, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:46

You interpret the "picture" wrong. There is no Star of David. The star you are seeing is part of the symbol of the former Soviet Union ... The O stands for Obama and our contries colors. It symbolises the direction to communism Obama is going. the jews have nothing to do with it.

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Obama's Baptism

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:15

"Obama was baptised by Mullah Omar and Louis Farrakhan in the blood of puppies. White puppies. Who loved America."

I know it's true because I saw it on the Internet

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Campaign of hate

By jalbrecht, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 10:18

"The terrorists have done a fantastic job of making Americans associate Muslims with terrorists." No they did not. The right-wing is promoting two ideas - all muslims are terrorists, Obama is a muslim. Therefore Obama has capitualted and sold America out. Its the old "Jews stabbed us in the back" propaganda from Nazi Germany. Funny, because many leading muslims supported Nazi Germany.
Obama is not a muslim and never has been a muslim.
At its peak, al-Qeada had support of maybe 20,000 muslims out of 1.6 billion. Today, they may have support from a few hundred.
This campaign of hate lead by the right is the strongest support al-Qeada has in the world.

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Do you have even one link ...

By Mike LeBlanc, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 11:45

... to some non-left-wing pandering site with evidence that the right-wing is promoting your bilge? I love it how easily you and some others here slide back and show your nostalgia for the good-old-days of the 1930s.

Obama acknowledged that he became a Christian, without specifying what he had been, when he started listening to that foaming-at-the-mouth racist bigot J. Wright. What a great way to convert!

The right has joined with many others to say: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Hatred is purposely warping that to suit your twisted ends, hiding behind a pretense of tolerance and diversity.

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Ahem

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:24

Frost what you are saying was debunked by Mike Huckabee live on Fox News and in several interviews when he praised Wright for enduring the struggles of the several rights movement and talking about it within his church. As Huckabee had stated we are not African-American and we do not know the tensions that existed. Which also debunks you're favored status, and attack because Huckabee is a moderate right leaning Republican on a platform news show. That takes away the cadence of attacking that you favor in wanting a non-left leaning site. [This comment has been edited by the administrator]

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Ignoring, for the moment,

By Mike LeBlanc, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 13:00

Ignoring, for the moment, your verbal sewage, Albrecht made the accusation: The right-wing is promoting two ideas - all muslims are terrorists, Obama is a muslim. Publish any link, then. Forget the request for one to a non-left-wing site. Most of us are more than able to judge sources when they are actually mentioned.

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Morning Joe

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwMPNxwHmQ&p=1AE54BFF44BACB84&playnext=1...

Morning Joe is also a Republican and this carries forth the message that Pastors do get caught up in the moment and Huckabee defends both sides of the issue.

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This is criminal stupidity

By WideStanceRepublican, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 09:56

A big stick should be used on dumb as post people like you Albert - might actually knock some common sense into you.

PS - read the Constitution, assuming you know what it is. It makes perfectly clear the freedom with which Muslims can build a community center.

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Stupidity?

By seekingthetruth, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 10:19

Why can't you understand that nobody is saying that a mosque can't be built at ground zero. Nobody is denying the constitutional right of the Muslims to build it wherever they wish. BUT, what people are saying that even though it's legal, it may not be a good idea since it does insult the sensibilities of the people that lost friends and loved ones in the attack.

The fact that the state has offered the Muslims land elsewhere in the city to build it, and the fact that they refuse, leads one to think that maybe there is an ulterior motive for them to put it at 51 Park. Like a "Victory Mosque"

Anyway, noone is suggesting that we ignore the Muslims right to build it at 51 Park, but it would be better if they didn't.

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Two Blocks

By Joseph Ziehm, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:34

It is still two blocks away from Ground Zero imagine how the Muslim families who lost members during 9/11 now feel in a bitter and cold unrealistic American society dominated by Conservatives lacking the true nature of being understanding to others. While, they process xenophobic relations to others this is bitterly ugly. The "victory Mosque" is a racist form of creating an idealistic enemy to indulge and whet you're own appetite. As a Mosque it would represent a better understanding and more equal opportunity for Muslims who had lost family members to express their grief from losing loved ones. Call that a "victory Mosque" considering there were large numbers of Muslims who had lost their lives as well. How comforting would it be for closure if you're son or daughter had died and as a professed Muslim you were not allowed to have closure and security at the place where they had lost their lives.

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Islam is a religion of war

By RedWhiteBlue, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 09:23

Islam is a religion of war. The Quran clearly states that all the peaceful instructions in the beginning are to be forgotten, and that the infidels should all be converted or killed the world over.

WAKE UP!

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Too much Faux News.....

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 09:04

Someone tell Albert we were attacked by Al Qaeda because of the security threat we've posed to the Middle East, and not by Islam for religious purposes.*

Some folks never get the word.

Words of Osama bin Ladin - http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.laden.transcript/

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9-11

By vzep, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 11:47

9-11 was a suicide mission, which is always in the name of Allah.

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Really?? Japanese Kamikaze Pilots in the name of Allah??

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:11

vzep writes: 9-11 was a suicide mission, which is always in the name of Allah.

Your imagination is obviously not limited by your ignorance, vzep.

Suicide is an equal opportunity departure......

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Muslim

By vzep, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 13:12

I thought it was implied, Muslim suicide missions. What the hell do the Japs have to do with this article. Careful who you call ignorant.

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"You thought it was implied?"

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:38

And then you tell me to be careful about whom I call ignorant....

Wow. Rocket scientist on a stick.

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Rocket scientist.

By vzep, unverified — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 01:09

Wow veritass, Your superiority complex is shining brightly. First of all, the article is about ground zero. Why wouldn't my post have implied that I meant a Muslim suicide mission. Sorry I needed to spell it out for you. Secondly, why would you believe anything that comes out of that sand
monkey Bin-Laden's mouth as to why he ordered the 9-11 attacks. And before anyone rips me for calling Bin-Laden a sand monkey, he has more than earned that title after he admitted to the attack. And lastly, flexing your vocabulary and all your links and so-called research means nothing to
me including all your formal education. If your lucky, you may be a half step smarter than Tron!

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Equal oppurtunity?

By seekingthetruth, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 12:20

Maybe so, but in this case it was Muslim extremists that believe that Allah blessed them in the afterlife for commiting suicide while killing the enemy.

They weren't Japanese, and they weren't kamikazi, they were Muslims.

There may be a few Japanese living in the MiddleEast, but I doubt they are Muslims.

I hope this clears this up for you, Veritas

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Sorry - that's not what vzep wrote. Clear it up for yourself.

By Ronald Riml, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:30

And 9/11 wasn't a 'Religious' attack.

Osama bin Ladin told us exactly why he did it - 'Security reasons'

Though anyone on a suicide mission probably will invoke their God simply to cover their bases....

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Phony "Controversy," Must be Nearing Another Election

By Voisine, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 08:43

Ignorant Republicans are situational to the extreme. Their worthless President Bush, who didn't win in 2000, was completely unfocused on terrorism and allowed 911 to happen. He also didn't win the election in 2000, not that Republicans care. They didn't care that Bush used the Constitution to wipe his feet and made America less safe as a result. There isn't any intellectual consistency with Republicans because they are children. A child never takes responsibility for failure and doesn't project the cost of petulant action. Republicans deliver one thing: FAILURE.

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Thats what I was thinking

By PUBLIKWERKS, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 08:13

The terrorists have done a fantastic job of making Americans associate Muslims with terrorists. There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. Are we ready to declare war on them all?

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Actually, there are 1.6

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 10:00

Actually, there are 1.6 billion of them. And, what if only 1% are "radical islamists"? That's 16 million muslims who want to wipe us off the face of the earth. Comforting thought, eh?

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And there are

By what if, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 14:51

"homegrown" terrorists who want to do the same thing, so should we paint all Americans with the same brush?

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enemies?

By lil, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 07:14

Albert, are all Muslims our enemies? If not, what's the stick for? I thought it was a few Al Qaeda extremists. And just how does denigrating all Muslims help win the hearts and minds of Afghanis?

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You watch to many movies.

By brian_l, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 05:24

Maybe Obama truly believes in upholding the Constitution, unlike the previous President.

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Yeah, as long as he gets to

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 09:56

Yeah, as long as he gets to rewrite it.

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Read much?

By xyz, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 07:00

You obviously did not read what I wrote. Too bad, and you really should watch these videos they are short and I think you will be as disgusted and or enlightened as I was after watching. Total time is about 20 minutes for both.

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"It is time to use the stick."

By xyz, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 02:36

To he11 with the constitution I agree let's send them (all minorities) back where they came from. Now since the republicans are a minority where can we send them? Nazi Germany, for now, doesn't exist so where to send this minority, where oh where? They seem to be more in line with the taliban let's send them all to Afghanistan good place for this group of haters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgNzi4tNL8
or if this is too telling and close to home for you watch this instead it is shorter and more recent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN-F4
PS mom,barb, conserva-, thinker, truthseeker ,sandra2 et al do you see yourselves here in these videos. Look in the mirror folks.

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Are you suggesting we use to stick to

By tron, unverified — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 00:10

beat down the Constitution of the United States?

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