Frustrations with Rumford charter aired

RUMFORD — Has Rumford outgrown its 59-year-old charter?

That's what Selectman Greg Buccina asked of Selectmen Mark Belanger, Jeff Sterling and Chairman Brad Adley, and Town Manager Carlo Puiia at Wednesday night's workshop on their proposed charter change for the secret ballot process.

Buccina voiced frustration with the charter, saying that it created the current situation wherein it's been more than three months beyond town meeting in June and two outstanding items to resolve remain: a General Assistance Budget that voters have twice defeated and Black Mountain funding.

The latter was resolved at town meeting when a majority voted against funding the ski hill. However, Black Mountain officials then successfully petitioned for another vote, claiming that more people voted to fund it than not fund it; they just couldn't agree on an amount.

The revote itself was challenged in court and a judge ruled that it must be addressed by having a town meeting to discuss the issue, then vote on it later at the polls.

On the welfare issue, after a majority of voters twice defeated amounts recommended by selectmen, the board learned it had unwittingly violated the charter in the second vote by not allowing the Finance Committee to make a recommendation on the budget item.

“I would like to know how much money this charter has cost us in this budget process,” Buccina said. “Because I just don't know whether it's worth it or not anymore. Can we not have a charter? We're getting smaller and I just don't know if we really need to have a charter anymore.”

He said charter language has delayed the budget process, forcing more meetings and litigation, thereby costing the town additional expense.

“I just don't know how needed it is today in this day and age,” Buccina said.

He said many Maine towns no longer have a charter “and still seem to get their business done.”

“We're not a metropolis and this confuses everything, and it was needed (back then), but it just seems to be impeding progress now,” he said.

Belanger, who has publicly stood behind and protected the charter as is, conceded that it could be written better.

“It's been tweaked over the years and sections of it have been changed, so it could be a cleaner charter,” he said. “But if we have another charter, it should be similar to that. But the issue tonight is changing the secret ballot process.”

Puiia said the board now had an opportunity to simplify the document.

They could either go with his suggested change to give voters a yes or no choice only, with yes containing funding amounts; or they could side with Sterling's and Buccina's proposal to follow the charter process, and then insert language that calls for a Budget Reconciliation meeting should selectmen and the Finance Committee recommend differing amounts.

At that meeting, the two groups would work out one recommendation with which a majority agreed and present that to the people at town meeting.

“It may not be the perfect solve, but it could ultimately help eliminate the controversy,” he said. “People can still vote for funding, but a majority could still trump it.”

After more discussion, Puiia was asked to draft language for the change and then have town attorney Thomas Carey determine its legality and that of how it meshes with town ordinances separate from the charter.

Puiia said he would do that and ask Carey if the board also needs to tweak an ordinance to accommodate a charter change.

Selectmen want to put their charter change proposal before voters in November.

Following the workshop, Black Mountain Board of Directors President Roger Arsenault said the delayed vote on their request for $51,000, wasn't cutting it close to ready the resort for the upcoming season. Black Mountain traditionally opens the day after Christmas.

“We're doing what we can with what we have,” Arsenault said.

Should voters approve funding next month, he said it would take two months with additional staff to get the resort ready to open for the 2010-11 season. If they don't get the funding, Arsenault has publicly stated that it would force Black Mountain to close.

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KNSaisi's picture

clarification

Carlo Puiia had a copy of my suggestion at least a week before the meeting. The proposal that they approved was brought up at the last minute.

dj_inda_am's picture

Oh, i can

and i will. They obviously did their research before they came to the meeting. i'm sure Calro had all the agenda materials prepared for them ahead of time so that they could read about the issue and make an informed decision. It's their right to make that decision, isn't it, Kevin? Or would prefer to do it for them even though noone elected you?

KNSaisi's picture
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Just Stating

I make all kinds of recommendations as a citizen. There were other recommendations submitted ahead of time (as was mine) that they chose not to address as well. My point is that the secret ballot method took away the power of the people to change the amount. Now we are looking at possibly eliminating the Finance Committee. What's next, making the Select Board into a city council with almost omnipotent power?? I don't think so!

candiceanne's picture

I remember when . . . and was

I remember when . . . and was reminded to what an extent when I began reviewing the old Annual Town Reports preparing the report for the upcoming special Town Meeting on what has been appropriated and raised by taxation just what town meetings used to be like and why we switched to the system we now have. It wasn't so many years ago that Rumford had it's own school system and school committee and town meeting not only included the Town Budget and Initiated Articles but also the entire School Budget. It was not unusual for meetings to start at 7PM and end well after midnight, to put it mildly they were awful. In addition, Town meetings were held in March and the weather could play a big factor in attendance as did the fact that lots of folks were still down south for the winter and many seniors wouldn't go out after dark and if you had kids it was no place to take them, which meant a lot of people did not get to have their say. Also all the motions began with the finance committee and you want to talk about things getting changed, well all it took was a few "special interest" people showing up with often times fewer than 100 at town meeting and budgets could get very inflated to suit personal interests verying quickily. These meetings certainly did not produce a fair representation of the legislative body (the voting populace of the town) and did not give all voters fair and reasonable opportunity to participate which is why the voters did away with the show of hands Town Meeting votes and went with Australian ballots at the polls. I sure do not miss those marathon sessions though I went every year I lived in Rumford and did my civic duty.

candiceanne's picture

One solution other

One solution other communities have adopted which also takes into account checks and balances is to have the Finance Committee prepare the budgets and submit the amounts to be appropriated and raised by taxation to be voted on by the voters. The selectmen then handle the management, day to day operations, and whatever comes up as they do now during the year. With this process the voters vote up or down on each buget and initiated article request, no three option questions.

dj_inda_am's picture

I agree

with the straight up or down proposal, but personally I would rather be able to vote out of office the people who put bad recommendations out to be voted on. I don't have that luxury with an appointed finance committee. At least we can hold the selectmen responsible on election day (you know, like how we booted DiConzo). I think the finance committee should be done away with all together. Or else go back to a real town meeting where at least the amounts can be debated by the people, amended by the people, and voted on by the people.

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dj WHO

You keep bringing my name into your conversation. Have I run over a pet of yours? I don't know who you are but don't think myou have the best interest of the town in mind. You probably voted against the secret ballot because you did want better representation of the people> Probably one of those special interest groups that lost their control over the citizens. The way the majority of the board is now it seems they are of one of those interest groups. The secret ballot is the best move the voters have accomplished for some time. The power of yes or no and the power to vote on a certain figure is truly in the hands of the people. THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!!! There has to be a group of people to oversee how the select board wants to spend money. Unfortunately the Finance committee have been rubber stampers of selectboard requests in the past and it 's looking like it will continue. The citizens by more participation wth secret ballot are stating what they want but the committee and board majority refuse to listen to the vote. And dj you haven't called me for a sit down coffee. What a shame closet person.

dj_inda_am's picture

You ran over

the town, Frank. By the way, it's nice to see you aren't talking about yourself in the 3rd person anymore. Let me ask you something. Why would I want to waste my time sitting down for coffee with you? I would leave the table dumber than when i sat down.

KNSaisi's picture
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By the people

I submitted a suggestion where the two amounts are sent to Town Meeting where the people decide which one goes on the ballot. It was not brought up until they had all agreed on the "Reconciliation Plan". It would seem that they don't want the people meddling in their business.

dj_inda_am's picture

At the last minute

and then you expected them to do your bidding. You are not "the people" Kevin. And just because the people the town elected to make these kinds of decisions for them disagree with you or even ignored you doesn't mean they have ulterior motives. Maybe it means you're wrong. As a matter of fact, i'm sure that's what it means.

candiceanne's picture

I should have added and the

I should have added and the finance committee is an elected board. My apologies on that. Everyone notice how quickly Patty came to the twinkies defense.

KNSaisi's picture
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when?

When did they become an elected board? The Selectmen appointed 4 new members this year.

candiceanne's picture

Kevin we were talking about

Kevin we were talking about ways other Maine Communities have changed from Town Meeting show of hands to Town Meeting discussion with and Austrailian ballot on another day. We were discussing how they prevented the multiple choice issue by having an elected finance committee which prepares the budget and all othe monetary items for the voters to vote up or down and an elected board of selectmen to oversee operations. Rumford currently has an appointed by selectment finace commitee which should be changed to a more manageable sized elected finance committee that would handle the budget and solve the problem we saw this year.

tron's picture

Perhaps you would consider moving to one of those

communities, and leave us simple Maine folks alone.

candiceanne's picture

Tron, you ignorant, bigoted,

Tron, you ignorant, bigoted, fool, I was speaking of other Maine communities who have made the transformation from a strictly Town Meeting from of government where all voting is done by show of hands to Town Meeting discussion with Australian Ballots on an alternate day as Rumford has.

preaves's picture

Admin warning

candiceanne's picture

Funny how Tron can write

Funny how Tron can write exactly the same things, I used cut and paste from previous posts of his, and he gets not reprimand. We write to you, Patty, respectfully requesting you address the issue of Tron's personal attacks on others and other violations of the rules of the forum and we get ignored, told he has not violated the rules and/or it was not a personal attack. Well, Patty, I just cut and pasted from one of those "not a personal attacks" changing the name to Tron from the name of the person he attacked and finishing the sentence with this subject instead of that and in my case since it is directed at Tron instead of by Tron it is a personal attack. And you wonder why we all figure Tron works for SJ.

preaves's picture

I'm not sure what you mean

I'm not sure what you mean about the cut-and-pasted part, but here is where I draw the line --

A personal attack is an attempt to discredit a person's argument by arguing against the character of the person instead of the validity of the argument.

Thus, I would say that it is acceptable to say, "Your ideas are bigoted," or "Your ideas are racist," or "Your ideas are ignorant," but not "You are dumb/an idiot/a loser/ignorant."

If you have specific examples I would be happy to address them.

candiceanne's picture

Patty, Tron never says, "your

Patty, Tron never says, "your ideas are bigoted" he flat out calls people bigots. By cut and pasted I mean just that. I went to one of Tron's previous posts which we complained to you about and took the first venomous spewing words he typed, copied them and pasted them followed by the fact that the town's I spoke of in my comment where he told me to move to "out of Maine" where in Maine. Patty we know where your allegiance lies and that Tron works for SJ. Does DHHS?

tron's picture

Using the Reed system of taking comments out of

context will not work anymore. Yes you may have cut and pasted, BUT you were extremely successful in removing the underlining context of the comment, changing the meaning entirely from what was stated, to your own nefarious purpose. Slick move, but unsuccessful.

NotInMyTime's picture

We don't need no stinkin' charter

??!!??

KNSaisi's picture
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Nothing wrong with having a charter

Having a charter allows us to have local control over many things. Mr. Buccina has stated for years that he did not support the charter. It is not just this incident that has brought out these feelings. Every time he mentions the charter, he states that it is too old and poorly written. Well, yes it is old, but most of the items that cause problems were inserted within the past few years. The problem is not that the charter is old, it is that the amendments that have been made were either not thought out fully, or drafted by people who were trying to achieve an ulterior motive.

Our nation's Constitution is even older than the Town Charter, as is our state constitution, but i don't hear calls to have them eliminated. They are all there to give the citizens the right to direct how our nation/state/towns operate. There are couple of things that need to be fixed in our charter, but let's not throw it out just because it does its job in regulating how our town functions. If the charter is getting in the way of what you want to do, perhaps you should consider if you should be doing it in the first place.

In the meantime, it is essential that any potential changes to the charter be thought through carefully, and not hastily made. Take time to consider all possible alternatives rather than rushing through one idea. The process of drafting a constitutional amendment takes months, but the process of drafting a charter change takes minutes. Then some wonder why we end up having problems.

dj_inda_am's picture

As usual

you are WRONG! It takes a lot more than "minutes" to change the Charter. Look at the previous Charter Commission that tried to do the right thing and couldn't get anywhere because of people like you and Frank DiConzo and Jennifer Stowell Norris and Ron Theriault. The Charter doesn't give Rumford any local control; it makes us a laughingstock.

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Off base again dj

a charter does give more local control. That was proven several times already. If the commission would have done a more thoruogh job it would have given more power to the town. That's why the smart towns have one. It's all about local control if written correctly and revised correctly. If it wasn't for people that you named then the citizens would have turn over their rights totally to the state, a counsel form of government and special interests groups by now. You've been wrong on everything you try to comment on. Take the anger you have back into the closet you hide in. You are the type of person that destroys a town.

KNSaisi's picture
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YOU ARE WRONG!

I was there last night when they decided in 10 minutes how they wanted the charter amended. Yes, they still have to vote on it officially, but that is just a formality. The only other citizen there was Roger Arsenault, so unless you are him, or one of the members of the press, you can't go around calling me wrong.

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