Who has the fortitude to track success?

What entity would, in all seriousness, spend 12 years training a person for the work force at a cost of more than $88,000, and then never track to see whether the person could actually perform as trained?

The answer? Public schools.

It's true.

A huge portion of the state budget, and the lion’s share of municipal budgets are spent on our public school systems and we don’t even know — with any degree of certainty — what programs in which schools work the best, or which schools produce the students most likely to succeed.

That’s because, while we know what students are doing when they’re in school, they are not tracked after they graduate from high school. We know that 65 percent of high school graduates immediately enroll in college, but that’s the end of the data. There is no follow-through to see how many students graduate from college, how long it takes graduates to earn their degrees, and what they ultimately do with those degrees in the work force.

So, how could we ever know what combination of education works best?

Maybe art really is more important than statistics. Maybe a winning soccer program develops skills needed in adulthood more than anything a teen might learn in a dance class.

Who knows? And if we don’t evaluate what works in the classroom, how will we ever produce a continually engaged work force?

It’s astonishing, really, to think that during the 2008-09 school year, Maine — state and local governments — spent $18.7 million in schools to educate 194,536 elementary and secondary students across the state, and we have no idea whether the work done during that single year will have any lasting impact on students’ ability to attain and hold a job. Compound that by 12 years of public school education per student, and we’ve blindly spent hundreds of millions of dollars.

Maine actually spent much more than $18.7 million in 2008-09. That’s merely the state’s basic per-pupil cost for that school year ($9,625 average) multiplied by Maine's 194,536 students, which accounts for buildings, transportation, programs and personnel, and doesn’t factor in costs to operate the Department of Education and other programs and services provided in schools.

The real cost of education in Maine demands that we do something to evaluate success. And the real cost of an undereducated, unemployed work force demands it twice over.

This year, the Legislature attempted to address this problem by requiring schools to collect Social Security numbers so students could be tracked beyond high school, through college and into the work force.

Social Security numbers are the only tag that we carry through our entire lives, and it makes sense to track success that way, except for the very real worry of the criminal element lurking to steal identities. So school administrators all over the state are recommending parents don't provide their children's numbers.

Students could be asked to voluntarily provide information on their graduation dates and job history, but that’s a very scattered approach to data collection and it would be highly unlikely that a statistically relevant number of students would maintain a long-term commitment to report.

But the very real fact is that Maine has to evaluate how it spends money in our public schools.

On Tuesday, the Maine Compact for Higher Education will hold its fifth symposium on higher education to focus on what it calls Maine’s “economic imperative . . . to dramatically increase the education and skill levels of Maine’s workforce.”

Part of the symposium will include a forum of gubernatorial candidates, organized so they can respond to the Compact’s recently released white paper outlining its laudable goal of 40,000 Mainers holding advanced degrees by 2020.

The Compact’s goal is broader education, but the intended result is increased job creation.

“This is so important,” according to Compact Executive Director Henry Bourgeois, “everyone has a stake in it.”

He’s right, and the stake is not simply job creation. It’s making sure that we spend our tax dollars in schools in the best possible way, with the highest likelihood that we produce high-achieving students who are qualified for the job market.

That means Maine has to make some hard decisions about our schools. How the gubernatorial candidates respond to the Compact’s imperative will be a telling indication of whether they really want Maine to work.

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AllarieLarsen's picture

I disagree commonsense

I just moved my niece from Maine to CA so we can help her get a college education. She had to take placement tests in math and English and scored so high on math she may never have to take another math class for her entire college career and she is enrolled in the highest English class available. Why attend college here instead of in Maine? Very simply, the cost. Non-resident tuition in California, is less than in-state tuition in Maine. That is the very sad but very real reason so many Maine kids don't go to college. The transfer rate in Lewiston-Auburn from high school to college is among the lowest in the country and it isn't because the kids aren't smart enough, it's because it is unaffordable for most families. All Maine young people deserve a college education and they shouldn't have to leave the state in order to receive one...

CatTailMom's picture

Purpose of Education

Before discussing whether or not Maine's public schools have achieved their goals, it's important to reach some consensus on what "success" means in this context. Finishing college in 4 years is a simplistic measurement tool.

Furthermore, the idea that public education is designed merely to "train" workers is in itself mistaken. According to Maine's Constitution, the Legislature must require towns to provide funds for public education in order to further the "preservation of the rights and liberties of the people". (Article VIII, Part First, Section 1).

CommonSense's picture

CatTailMom, you have not

CatTailMom, you have not provided your definition, or any definition for that matter of "preservation of the rights and liberties of the people." I will offer mine and wait to see what others offer up. In my opinion to fulfill this mandate a public education must prepare each and every student within their capacity (obviously due to birth defect, tramatic injury, etc there are going to be those unfortunate few who cannot meet the minimums) for gainful self-sustaining employment and/or post-secondary education and daily living. Not everyone is college material but most everyone should be trainable to the level of obtaining and retaining a job that will sustain them. Every student must leave the public school system reading and writing at a level that will get them safely through life. That means able to read and understand: a bank statement, a mortgage, a HIPA Notice, a purchase and sales agreement, complete a job application, read and understand the instructions for their cellphone, read and follow the instructions for medication, read and follow voting instructions and appropriate documents such as the newspaper to be an informed voter, and so on. They must also be able to write adequately with correct spelling and grammar to respond to any issue or error that arises from any of the preceeding. Every student must leave the public school system with math skills that: make it possible to maintain a checking account including balancing, calculate a tip, count change, prepare a home budget, verify that a receipt is correct from Walmart or resteraunt without a calculator, calculate their property taxes, figure out how much carpet is needed for a room, and so on. Civics and history: all students must have an understanding of the history of our country, the constitution of the United States, all the things required to be come a citizen. All students must have at least a minimal science education including biology (bacteria, molds, fungi can make you sick and how to deal with them for example), chemestry (don't mix chlorine and amonia for example), earth science (weather, eathquakes, etc) physics (basic electrical safety, gravity). These are all things that one needs just to get safely, or relatively safely through daily life, or as said maintain "preservation of the rights and liberties of the people." These are just the basics and should be attainable within five years of school and save the taxpayers the expense of the other seven years. I personally don't think this bare minimum is appropriate. I don't think it prepares people for a reasonable future and I don't think people with this minimal level of education are good for Maine or the country. Thirteen years of education should produce an individual with a abroad and deep base knowledge ready for most colleges or universities and most programs in those colleges and universities without the need for remedial course work.

CommonSense's picture

I have read the reports. I

I have read the reports. I just did not want you to take my word for it. I wanted you to read them for yourself. The five year plan is because the students do so poorly on the placement exam they have to take so many remedial courses before they can begin any program they lose an entire year. That also means they are not admitted to any degree program but are put in general or liberal studies because they do not qualify not because they do not know where they want to be. A positive aspect would be qualified students who attend the in state school for a year or two to get core courses out of the way and then transfer to better more expensive schools to earn the degree in their chosen field. Unfortunately those are a very small minority. As I said,I didn't make assumptions, I have read the reports, I thought it best for you to read for yourself as well. Happy reading.

AuburnME23's picture

5 years

Many of the people who take 5 or more years to graduate aren't taking longer because of the fact that they aren't academically prepared. I would say it's because of what they decide to do outside of the classroom. It's their choice to "milk" the college experience before they hit the real world and all of the responsibilities it includes.
Many students from the state who are traveling out of state for undergraduate course work, I would bet tend to graduate closer to the 4 year mark. These students are knowingly starting their lives with larger debt from college loans because they are paying out-of-state tuition, so of course they will take their time more seriously than someone who feels they are already saving lots of money with in-state fees.
I really enjoy how people state information as fact, like they have actually read all of these detailed reports of Maine graduates from the University of Maine Schools. From my experience at Orono, many of the ones who take more than 4 years to graduate are also the first generation of their family to attend college. I would say this is largely due to the fact that our schools are preparing them well and showing them the importance of post-secondary education. Many of these kids have had struggles academically, but because of the dedicated teachers that have been in their lives, they have fought through them to garner a great level success, weather that be getting into college and testing the waters or taking 5 or more years to get a degree.
Lewiston and Auburn are also seeing an entirely different group of students than they may have seen 10 years ago. Many of the parents are young, living in poverty, and struggling to put food on the table. The fact that these kids are graduating high school and many are going on to college, weather it's a community college or State University, is a great accolade. People who think otherwise simply do not have a true understanding what happens in the majority of "public" schools, where teachers are applying a reflective teaching approach and researching the best ways to meet the needs of their students and provide them the best education possible.

AuburnME23's picture

and....

Have you considered the fact that many of the students who are coming from "in-state" are going undecided. They know they want to go to college, but it may take them a little while to decide what they want to spend the rest of their lives doing. It is kind of a big decision. This also results in many of the kids taking more than the 4-years to graduate. They more often then not won't go to a school with higher tuitions and will select and in-state school.
Students coming from out of state seem to have a little bit more of a general idea of what they want to do/major in and have selected that school for that specific reason. Making it more likely that they will know exactly which courses they need to be taking and to graduate sooner rather than later.

Hmmmm....it's amazing that there could be so many more reasons other than not being prepared by the public schools, that make a lot more sense.

what if's picture

Many Maine students

also hold full time jobs while going to college. This is another reason why they may graduate later than four years.

CommonSense's picture

You don't have to look far to get the answer.

If you really want to know what you are getting for your buck, start with SAT and ACT scores which are terrible. Then go to the various University of Maine Campuses and ask them for a report on the placement test results of resident and non-resident students, that will really curl your hair. Then ask the University of Maine Campuses for a report on graduation rates of Maine resident students compared to non-resident students which will be even worse. And of course you can ask for a report on how long it takes those who graduate to do so, for Maine residents to graduate, minium of five years on average as opposed to non-residents under four years on average. While you are there, visit the financial aid office and ask what percentage of Maine resident students receive Academic Competitiveness Grants and what percentage of non-resident students do. You will find few if any Maine residents receive these grants and most non-residents do. To receive an Academic Competitiveness Grant, a student must successfully complete an AP course in high school, be dual enrolled in high school or attend a high school of high calibre as to be recognized as outstanding and producing students with an academic advantage. You just don't find schools like this in Maine.

Other places you can always check is the state run employment service aka Career Center. See how folks are testing that come in for evaluation for employment. Many employers use the service to screen potential employees. You can also check with Walmart and Hannaford managers. Ask them how the kids are doing who apply for work. Both businesses require potential employees to take tests in basic reading and math skills. The manager will be able to tell you how your local school district is doing in preparing the students for these very minimal minimum wage jobs. For that matter, ask around at the places of business you frequent and ask about the applicants they have. Most are willing to tell you not about specific individuals but about the labor pool and more importantly about the portion of that pool coming from local schools.

If you really want to know, and most superintendents, principals, and school committee members definitely do not, it is not hard to find out how the local school is doing and how schools in the state overall are doing.

lawntobemowed's picture

Evidently education didn't work for the editor!

"It’s astonishing, really, to think that during the 2008-09 school year, Maine — state and local governments — spent $18.7 million in schools to educate 194,536 elementary and secondary students across the state, and we have no idea whether the work done during that single year will have any lasting impact on students’ ability to attain and hold a job." Hmmmmm.

Lewiston's 2010-2011 total budget is $51,228,037. Local monies that contribute to the k-12 costs is $15,919,904. Sooooooooo, I guess the school system really failed you sir! But I'm sure they made you feel good about yourself just the same. I guess that's your lasting impact. Besides, you have a job and for some unknown reason, you are still holding it. Just leave your social security number in the space provided. Thank you.

tron's picture

I think the editorial board should

go back to school and learn their multiplication tables.

"Maine actually spent much more than $18.7 million in 2008-09. That’s merely the state’s basic per-pupil cost for that school year ($9,625 average) multiplied by Maine's 194,536 students"

I think to total is closer to 2 BILLION.

Pirate's picture
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Ratings are getiing up there,

Ratings are getiing up there, T....4-1 in favor.

tron's picture

Like I told you before, the agree-disagree statistic is

useless. The person who disagree is doing so ONLY because it's my post, all I did, as usual, what list facts. Either that or the disagreeable person is stupid

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