Auburn cites bikers for loud exhausts

Since a revised law targeting loud motorcycles went into effect in July, Auburn police have been among the most zealous in enforcing it.

The department has cited eight people on charges of driving with excessively loud exhaust and another 28 have been warned.

The numbers are in keeping with Auburn police Chief Phil Crowell’s promise that his department would step up its efforts to crack down on loud vehicles. In advance of the law changes, Crowell had been working directly with Maine State Police Lt. Brian Scott, who heads up the effort.

In addition, Auburn’s Deputy Chief Jason Moen sits on a board with Scott and others who are studying the problem of loud exhaust systems.

The new law has been vigorously debated among groups on either side of the issue. Biker groups say the law unfairly targets a lifestyle. They say loud pipes make people notice them,  which increases their safety.

Opponents heartily disagree. They insist bikers have been getting away with obscenely loud exhaust pipes for years and that law changes were necessary to help combat rampant noise pollution. But whether the revised law, which states that all vehicles must be equipped with mufflers and those mufflers cannot be modified to make them louder, will really cut down on road noise remains to be seen.

Most feel it depends on enforcement.

In Lewiston, 32 motorists have been either warned or cited since the new law went into effect. However, it was not clear how many of those were bikers and how many were summoned.

In Androscoggin County, deputies had stopped and warned roughly a half dozen bikers and warned them about their exhaust pipes.

The fine for violations is $137. But according to Scott, the state police lieutenant, most tickets handed out under the new law have not yet been resolved in court.

With that in mind, it’s hard to tell how effective the new law is going to be in targeting the issue of road noise.

“It’s still a little too early to tell,” Scott said.

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georgenamsmith@yahoo.com's picture

Auburn Cites Bikers for Loud pipes law

This law is ILLEGAL !! It Targets ONLY Motorcycle pipe noise ! I've heard pick-up trucks with louder pipes in traffic & going by my house at ALL HOURS !I can forsee a lawsuit against The state of Maine by ALL the Bike Groups Coming soon !! Thia law Discriminates against Bikers & should be thrown off the books !!0

fatandhappy's picture

Excuse me George, do you know what you are talking about?

"3. Amplification prohibited. A person may not operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system that has been modified when the result of that modification is the amplification or increase of noise emitted by the motor above that emitted by the muffler originally installed on the vehicle"

http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/29-A/title29-Asec1912.html

What are you talking about? The law discriminated against autos until it was changed to include motorcycles.

Maybe you should do some research before you make comments out of ignorance. Knowledge can be priceless, and save you some embarrassment

Lawsuit? Good luck with that

rdarluv's picture
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you are right....

You are right fatandhappy......but the EPA label law that MECALM is pushing as we speak is indeed discriminatory!

fatandhappy's picture

My cousin the biker

My cousin had never even ridden a motorcycle until he had an accident at work. He got hit in the head with a crane hook and it caused severe brain damage.

50% of his brain had to be removed.

When he was realeased from the hospital he got some tatoos, grew his hair and beard long, started wearing leather and stopped taking a bath.

And then he bought a Harley with loud pipes.

I'm just saying

Jabba's picture
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Horns

K0NPHL1C7 Don't they sell louder horns?

rdarluv's picture
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the idea...

Jabba, the idea behind LPSL is that drivers know where we are at all times because they can hear us and allow them to AVOID a close call in the first place.....imagine the complaints we'd get if we were driving around town with our fingers on the horn all day. Here's an idea, we install cell phone blockers on all our bikes so you'll all have your calls dropped when we are around and then you'll have to put your phone down and pay attention.

Hal's picture

Loud Pipes.....

People who own and ride motorcycles with loud pipes need to be recognized thats all. It's true, they need something to draw attention to themselves. Without out the bike they just get lost in the crowd. It started with potty training and never ended. They still need that diaper. Like the guy said with his "10 Reasons".....referring to number 9.....he needs to find a way to stop looking so dull. It's only human.

jojones80's picture

TOP TEN Reasons to Get a Loud Motorcycle

1. Loudness lets other motorists hear me coming, even if all of them are asleep in bed at 2 am in the morning when I roar down the hill at 40mph for safety's sake.
2. I can't take chances not letting other people know about my stand-offish tough guy attitude, especially the teen-aged girls who know they want me.
3. Louder means more dominant, and I believe me I am so very dominant with my $12/hr job, my larger-than average frame (Rubenesque, they call it) and my midlife crisis leading me down that inexorable path to despair and death.
4. The roaring motorcycle is a social affirmation of my aloof and independent lone wolf mystique, running and howling in the moonlight like the wolf, even though I failed my cardiac stress test because I can't walk more than 300 feet and I sit at home the rest of the day watching cable and drinking beer.
5. It's really hard to operate a horn; it hurts my manly-hands made wretched by years of harsh, unrelenting manly work.
6. Marlon Brando and Steve McQueen did it, and so can I. Wow, are those guys OLD.
7. Because "HIGH-WAY TO THE DANGER ZONE".
8. I can't afford that cherry red Lambourghini, much less the down payment on a mobile home.
9. YOU try turning heads at age 46 without the help of a 750cc gas powered engine.
10. The vibration tickles my tumescent tummy, among other things.

Mac antSaior's picture
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You forgot to mention the

You forgot to mention the phallic insecurity.

rdarluv's picture
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why??

Why are the quite guys so infatuated with bikers "unmentionable parts"??

Mac antSaior's picture
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Freud 101. Loud pipes=big

Freud 101. Loud pipes=big guns=huge spoilers on Hondas...it's all the same. I know it must be infuriating trying to act so tough yet knowing that the simplest 15 year old girl in a Kia could easily snuff you out while texting a lol to her bff, but the truth of the matter is that nothing will replace bikers keeping their heads on a swivel. In fact, you jack your throttle to little miss lol and you're probably ten times more likely to get your fool ass squashed by a jumpy kid.

Mac antSaior's picture
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Oh, and I ride. You just

Oh, and I ride. You just can't hear me because I don't have the above issues.

rdarluv's picture
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it's people...

like you jojones that keep stereotypes going. I think you'd be very surprised at how many doctors, dentists, lawyers and teachers ride a bike AND wear the black leather.....without a helmet....you wouldn't know the difference! I bet you know more bikers than you think! You are describing a very low percentage of bikers with your insulting discriminatory description! Just because you've seen troublemakers riding a bike, doesn't make all bikers troublemakers. I've seen troublemakers driving Volvos too!

lawntobemowed's picture

In all seriousness

it's not the loud motorcycles that bother me it's the loud sound systems in cars that make your windows shake as they drive by. I actually hear more of that abuse than from motorcycles. By the way I don't own a motorcycle or care to own one.

fatandhappy's picture

Loud radios are already against the law

They just need to enforce it?

"§2079-A. Excessive sound system noise
1. Prohibition. A person may not operate a sound system in a vehicle on a public way at a volume that is audible at a distance of greater than 25 feet and that exceeds 85 decibels or that is greater than is reasonable with due regard to the location of the vehicle and the effect on persons in proximity to the vehicle. It is a prima facie violation of this section if the vehicle is located near buildings and the buildings or windows in the buildings are shaken or rattled by the sound of the sound system.
[ 2001, c. 73, §1 (NEW) .]
2. Penalty. Violation of subsection 1 is a traffic infraction for which the following forfeitures must be assessed:
A. For a first offense, $50; [2001, c. 73, §1 (NEW).]
B. For a 2nd offense, $100; and [2001, c. 73, §1 (NEW).]
C. For a 3rd or subsequent offense, $150. [2001, c. 73, §1 (NEW).]
[ 2001, c. 73, §1 (NEW) .]

http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/29-A/title29-Asec2079-A.html

rdarluv's picture
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ahhh yes.....

I knew it was only a matter of time before one of the regulars posted here! How's Mr. Sprung doing today? You see, Mr. Sprung is one of those guys that has purchased a home in the middle of a city near a major airport and now wants that city to shut up so he can enjoy his peace. He has chosen bikers as his target because...well...let's face it, how can he get public support to fight the rich airport or the local emergency sirens that the ENTIRE public benefits from?

While I will admit that there are a lot of groups against loud pipes, I will also let everyone know to take that statement with a grain of salt as those groups consist of the same members over and over again......they post to these blogs using different names over and over again as well to give you all the impression that they are a big force not to be messed with and the links between them and NOISEOFF are clear. I doesn't take but a few days of monitoring the blogs to learn that. PS: For what it's worth, the facebook page for Citizens Against Maine Revised Exhaust Law (CAMREL) has many more members than ALL the "CALM" sites COMBINED! and they are counting their members only once each.

The EPA label law on the federal books was meant for manufacturers and dealers only, not the end user. Much like the tag on your mattress! We do not have enforcement of that EPA label law against consumers because it would be like having the "mattress police" enforcing that law too. Motorcycles are the only vehicles on the road that come from the manufacturer with an EPA label, making the EPA label law they want to pass all over the country, very discriminatory and some members of congress are starting to recognize that.

While the figure of 42% of bikes in Maine being un-inspected is true, his reason is simply an assumption as he has no connections to the motorcycling community to believe other wise. His remark that bikers think they are above the law because of this 42% figure is also an assumption. We all know that if cars and truck were not required to display an inspection sticker, there would be a much higher percentage of them uninspected as well and many of those would indeed be VERY dangerous to have on the road.

Let's all keep in mind, Maine has a "absolute speed law"......that means that if the speed limit is 50mph and you are doing 53mph, you are breaking the law.....does that mean you believe that you are above the law because you have chosen to speed?? I have failed once or twice to get my bike inspected but not because the bike was illegal. In 2012 we will be required to display our inspection stickers, lets take notes today and see what kind of "evidence" Mr. Sprung has for us in 2012

Pericles's picture

Interesting point about

Interesting point about moving in a noisy city and then complaining about noise. Kind of brings to mind people who install intentionally illegal equipment on their vehicles and then react with outrage when the law in enforced.

rdarluv's picture
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people who....

People who install pipes that clearly say "for off road use only" or "not for highway use" or fail our very clear inspection laws, SHOULD get a ticket........I am going to explain this in as clear a way as I think you can handle. There is a group of people that hate loud motorcycles and there is a group of people that respect nobody and run extremely loud open core exhaust, but there is a MUCH MUCH larger group of people stuck in the middle of it all. They do run aftermarket exhaust but do NOT cause trouble. It is NOT illegal to run aftermarket exhaust on a motorcycle!

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Motorcycle noise pollution

It's obvious that many millions of Americans (and Canadians too) are fed up with illegal motorcycle noise and want something done about. And it's also obvious that the noise crackdown is because thousands of Harley and other riders have installed illegally loud pipes and operate with disregard for the rights of others to peace and quiet in their homes and neighborhoods. To say that Noiseoff, Maine Citizens For Quiet Motorvehicles, New Hampshire Citizens Against Loud Motorcycles, Quiet Rye and Massachusetts Citizens Against Loud Motorcycles are causing this increase in law enforcement is clearly not true. Last year, 42 percent of Maine's registered motorcycles didn't receive the required annual safety inspection sticker. This happened because many bikers believe that the laws that apply to all other motorists, don't apply to them. And of course, the lack of consistent enforcement contributed to this illegal behavior. All motorcycles made after 1982, must have an EPA noise certified exhaust with a certifying label embossed into the muffler. It's illegal under federal law to replace the certified exhaust with one that isn't, or to tamper with the legal muffler to make more noise. We in Maine will see riding loud become about as acceptable as smoking in a restaurant or hospital, after we adopt and enforce the EPA label law.

candiceanne's picture

Apparently fed up with pedestrians also

I would say they are fed up with pedestrians too at the rate they have been running them down as of late. Everytime I turn around I'm hearing of someone else being hit or nearly hit crossing the street or in a parking lot.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Well I can personally say

Well I can personally say that if it were not for my “Loud pipes” – I would have been hit by a vehicle, and could have quite possibly died.

In June of last year, while travelling on Hotel road in Auburn, a vehicle decided to pull out of Poland road, not noticing that I was there. Fortunately I noticed HIM, and was able to dip into the shoulder a bit, but he KEPT COMING, never ONCE looking over. I watched in horror as this Mazda 6 was going to T-bone me right into a mailbox. Thinking quick, I dropped into second and revved…That woke him up…And he swerved to give me room at the last moment. At this point were now side-by-side, and as our eyes met he looked even more terrified than I was, obviously this was the first time he noticed me, and had I not revved, he would have never known I was there until the blood covered his windshield.

So in short, I absolutely refuse to change my exhaust. It has saved my life in the past, and will likely do so again. You can ticket me all you want to, and I will see to it that every charge is fought in court with no other purpose than to waste taxpayer’s money. At some point, when the system is clogged with these RIDICULOUS cases, the law will be changed.

Pericles's picture

I think you should

I think you should immediately sue the motorcycle manufacturer who sold you a bike without a horn

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Have you ever heard a

Have you ever heard a motorcycle horn?

Mac antSaior's picture
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Then, modify your horn, not

Then, modify your horn, not your pipes. You never hear a driver say, "Damn, good thing I had those glasspacks, or that guy would have hit me!"

rdarluv's picture
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drivers watch for....

Drivers watch for cars because hitting one could kill them! Hitting a bike only kills the biker......the driver goes home to his family. The bikers family picks him up at the morgue......what's left anyways.

papajuliet's picture

When you choose to engage in

When you choose to engage in a high risk activity such as riding a motorcycle that's your choice. Why should your imagined safety involve everyone within a 2-mile radius. I've been riding on and off road for 40 years. Every street bike I've owned has been legal and quiet. Sure, I've had some close calls with inattentive drivers. My horn has worked just fine to alert drivers of my presence. I know, horns are so non-biker. But they work. The "Loud Pipes Save Lives" mantra is just a feeble self-centered means to justify this silly "lifestyle". Until a study concludes that noise equates with safety, it's just a load of BS. For the chopper culture it's not about enjoying a motorcycle, it's about trying to be a scary rebel. What you faux-barbarians don't get is that most people are laughing at you. Grown men dressing up like the Village People driving around destroying the peace. Gathering teddy-bears doesn't excuse your retrograde behavior.

tron's picture

The last bike-care accident on Lisbon street result

in the death of both drivers.

tron's picture

of course I meant to say car,

I wish the edit button was more than scenery.

rdarluv's picture
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of course....

and of course Tron, you also meant to let us all know that the biker was a kid on a crotch rocket speeding on Lisbon St and struck the lady right in the drivers seat! She didn't hit him, he drove that bike right into her lap!

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Wrong - She was 100% at

Wrong - She was 100% at fault. SHE pulled out in front of the motorcyclist because SHE didn't HEAR him.

rdarluv's picture
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nobody....

nobody was pointing fault, what was said was that he drove his bike into the drivers door.........whether it was her fault or not, the point was that her car didn't hit him, his bike hit her car.....as far as speed was concerned, there are mixed stories on that one.

Mac antSaior's picture
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And how fast was he going?

And how fast was he going? Yeah, another responsible rider.

rdarluv's picture
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but they are....

@scott, the pipes you speak of are indeed LEGAL, just not legal for use on public roads and are labeled as such. Don't simply believe what you read on the anti noise forums! Do your own research........selling or using open core exhaust is not illegal, it's how you use them that makes them illegal. You don't blame gun manufacturers when someone gets shot!....or do you???

scott's picture

First off, I own a bike with

First off, I own a bike with pythons. Why in the world would I buy pipes that are legal but not to be used on roads? What, am I to just run my bike in my driveway? Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to be sold. I don't believe squat on any forum, particularly on this site. My point was the state can't have it both ways and the idiots who think it's cool to crank thier exhaust to be obnoxious should be dealt with, not the pipes themselves. I got a ticket back in 05 for loud pipes on the highway by the way and I was doing 65 on my way to ride the BlueRidge Parkway. Whenever I hear loud pipes I first say, "idiot" and then I look at the bike and marvel at the beauty and customization of it. The person is still an idiot though.

rdarluv's picture
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obviously......

The off road exhaust is for racing only. That's why they can sell them and you can buy them......PS: Take a good look at your Pythons, depending on which ones they are, they may be labled too.

scott's picture

Of course they are labeled.

Of course they are labeled. My motorcycle will never be an "off road" bike. It wasn't designed to nor is there a company that will make parts for it to become one. You still don't get my point of which I was very clear.

rdarluv's picture
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yes...

I get your point, you just don't get mine.....maybe YOUR bike will never be offroad, but some are. When they say "offroad" they are referring to racing, not running through the woods!! If your pipes are labeled, then you ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! YOU Scott, are why we are in this fight today!

scott's picture

Part of the problem? I think

Part of the problem? I think not. Why? Because I don't go screaming though neighborhoods or crank my throttle to tick others off. Like I said earlier fix the dumb asses and the problem is gone. I also know what off road means. Again, if the pipes are illegal then they shouldn't be allowed for sale. It's quite simple. Are fireworks sold in Maine? No. Why? Because they are illegal. The same goes for motorcycle pipes.

rdarluv's picture
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not illegal...

They are not illegal by them self....period.

scott's picture

As I have stated before I

As I have stated before I could care less about loud motorcycle pipes. What I care about is that the State of Maine regards these pipes as illegal and yet continues to allow the sale of them, continues to receive the sales tax - labor tax to intall them - tolls (which is a tax) to transport them and so on with the many, many taxes on this one item but noone says anything about how the state gladly accepts the tax revenue from these pipes which aren't legal. The state gladly accepts the fines paid on these illegal pipes even though they are legally being sold in the state. If the pipes are illegal then don't allow them to be sold. Fireworks are illegal and they can't be sold in Maine. Then same goes for this. Do you know what I find loud, obnoxious, and annoying? Jake breaking. It's funny you don't see signs saying no loud motorcycles around town but you do see no jake breaking signs. I really could care less about the loud pipes. How about we fix the jerks causing the issue instead of condeming the whole lot (and that goes with everything in life).

joe public's picture

papa jukiet get a life!If you

papa jukiet get a life!If you had one you would not be offended by a MC that may be by you for less than a second sorry split second !Second why if your so bothered dont you go after the source?? the real problem lies with the people making money selling them !Whats next you going after a dog that barks to much?? Live and let live only bed wtting sissys complain like you get a life!

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Admin warning

Please use respect in these forums and refrain from name calling.

T's picture

"!Whats next you going after

"!Whats next you going after a dog that barks to much??"

This says it all...

rdarluv's picture
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some say.....

Some say that sound doesn't mean safety, yet Toyota recently announced that it's new Prius will begin making a artificial sound when running on electric so people will hear them coming, for safety........we install back up alarms on trucks, for safety......on the ocean, in certain instances, boats are required by the coast guard (a government organization) to blow their horn when visibility lacks, for safety......emergency vehicles use sirens, for safety (which by the way, is another area of attack for NOISEOFF) so why can't "louder than stock" exhaust be used for safety??

T's picture

Then I suggest all

Then I suggest all manufacturers and owners install and limit their noise to the Prius system on their motorcycles. Oh wait, that would make their motorcycles extremely quiet compared to what they are now?

Never mind...

[The third-generation Toyota Prius will get an optional pedestrian warning system in Japan and possibly in the U.S. down the line, according to The Associated Press. The onboard device will automatically produce an artificial sound, supposedly an amplified and synthesized reproduction of the noise an electric motor makes. The noise is activated at speeds below 15 mph, and it fluctuates in pitch relative to the vehicle’s speed, which is supposed to help pedestrians gauge proximity in relation to the hybrid.]

rdarluv's picture
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it's not the cops....

@fixit001, it isn't the cops doing this, it is the anti noise activists that are forcing the cops to clamp down on us. They sit home all day and blog all the newspapers whenever they see an article written about loud pipes in an effort to build public support for them and against us. I expect to see their regulars on here today........

candiceanne's picture

You mean like all the people

You mean like all the people against the wind turbines because they are the same volume as song birds?

rdarluv's picture
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actually....

One of the most active members of MECALM is also fighting wind turbines!

candiceanne's picture

And quieter than a home

And quieter than a home office or conversational speech?

fixit001's picture

cop out!!

what a bunch a crap! do these little onkers target the semis of country kitchen??? after all thier decimal levels are consistant therefore shouldnt they be ticketed?? or how about the bells of st. Croix thier level is even higher have they been even warned??? there are many more oh wait lets stop the ballon festival and ground all helecopters too! these brats in blue are chooseing to target those they envision as bad people like hippies of the 60's who are now thier fathers...

rdarluv's picture
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last post....

There is nothing to agree or disagree about in my last post titled "More on the proponents of LPSL....." as that is a FACT based response..........do your research before coming to any conclusion. Here are links to both sides of the issue.

Visit the CAMREL face book page here --> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=133026663387511&ref=ts

Visit the MECALM face book page here --> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/mecalm?ref=ts

Visit NOISEOFF here --> http://www.noiseoff.org/

Visit United Bikers Of Maine here --> http://www.ubm-usa.org/

rdarluv's picture
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More on the proponents of LPSL.....

I encourage the SJ readers to explore BOTH sides of the issue irregardless of where you think you stand now......the group pushing for a complete silencing of motorcycles goes beyond MECALM alone. The national organization, NOISEOFF, is behind MECALM and they are also going after your leaf blowers, car alarms, lawn mowers etc. So before you speak too loudly about loud motorcycles, remember, NOISEOFF could very well affect YOU next......if you are in the lawn care business, this is your battle too! If you own an automotive repairs shop, this is your battle too! If you own a daycare, this is your battle too! Most of the motorcycle community do indeed agree that there needs to be some enforcement, but NOISEOFF wants to silence us for good, they want more restrictions on us then anything else and they are coming after YOU next!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=133026663387511&ref=ts

papajuliet's picture

That's ridicuous.

Why would people that object to the community destroying noise pollution from illegal motorcycles be coming after daycare facilities? Do packs of children leave the local pub at 2:00AM on obnoxiously loud motorcycles and shatter the peace? Not that I'm aware of. Don't try to involve law abiding, respectful citizens in this issue. It's about Harleys and the noise that their owners force upon everyone. Don't try to make your noise pollution something other than what it is: a childish, self-centered pastime. Did I include illegal?

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Actually, no...

...the LAW is about NOISE. The law is not focused on motorcycles. It includes car and truck exhaust as well. You, papajuliet, are just looking for a reason to complain about bikers in general.

The group in question is seeking to regulate all businesses that generate an unnatural increase in noise. Children playing, using their "outdoor voices," can be noisy. Not trying to pick a fight with you... just trying to explain where the other guy was coming from...

The police departments are LOVING this new law... NOW they have a reason to pull anyone on a "loud" motorcycle over. They don't care about that possible $137 fine for the loud exhaust... they're hoping you're up to something more sinister... something that only those dastardly leather-wearing, pirate-imitating, pierced, hairy, tattooed people would be up to, I'm sure.

papajuliet's picture

Actually....

KimberBeth- Think about it KB. What is the loudest source of noise in most communities? What source of noise has no curfew? Answer: Illegally equipped Harleys. And as far as "Children playing, using their "outdoor voices", get real. The loudest child's "outdoor voices" is nowhere near the 120 DBs produced by a typical Harley operated by some anti-social miscreant with a self-image issue. And children usually don't play outdoors while the rest of us are sleeping. And KB, me papajuliet rides a motorcycle and have done so for 40 years. What makes me different than "bikers" is I respect other people. And as long as 80% of Harleys (according to the AMA) have been modified to be LOUD, if it's about noise it's about Harleys.

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LPSL??

Taken from: http://www.motorcyclephilosophy.org/
Thursday, March 20, 2008 | Posted by Steve Johnson |

Loud pipes save lives: I know you've read many other arguments on the issue of "loud pipes save lives".

I wanted to present a new argument on the standpoint that our society only counts fatalities, and not survivals.

The problem with the "loud pipes save lives" claim is that there's no way to measure it as being true or not. As long as riders continue to go on living, we'll never know if it was their loud pipes that saved them from accidents.

On the other hand, we can count biker deaths. But what good are biker deaths when we're trying to figure out if loud pipes save lives?

If you ride a motorcycle, I'm sure you tend to get a little anxious about being in someone's blind spot. I always accelerate or drop out of it. The fact is that I don't know if my pipes have ever saved my life. But I do have loud pipes, and yes I've been in several near misses. The fact that I'm still alive just might be attributed to those pipes.

We'll never know for sure if loud pipes save lives because government doesn't count accidents that almost happened. But ask any motorcycle rider who is still alive, and he or she will tell you about the near misses they were involved in.

The irony, however, is that many people who protest against loud pipes are often the same people that support helmet laws. They claim that helmets save lives, but how do we know that if we only count the fatalities?

The truth is that we don't have statistics on how many times a helmet saved a life. We only know how many bikers died. Instead we analyze the consequences of repealing helmet laws by comparing the before-and-after fatality rates. If we see a 0.25% or higher reduction in fatalities, we pat ourselves on the back for making progress.

So can't we also suggest that loud pipes don't always save lives, but they will increase your chances? What if a state decided to aggressively enforce its noise abatement laws and forced every motorcycle owner to reinstall their stock exhaust? Will motorcycle deaths increase?

And if they did increase, will the State apologize and reverse its decision on loud pipes? Should we experiment with the lives of motorcyclists and see if more of them die?

If we defend helmet laws with aggregate statistics, then it stands to reason that the same can be done with loud pipes. Except, we don't have such statistics.

And I don't think we ought to create any, either.

georgenamsmith@yahoo.com's picture

Auburn Cites Bikers for Loud pipes law

I personally don't like Helmets after seeing my friends Head cut OFF by one !

papajuliet's picture

Head severed by a helmet?

I have to know how a helmet severed a head. There must have been something else involved. Please fill us in.

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I don't for a second

I don't for a second believe loud exhaust makes it easier to locate and identify bikers, particularly within city limits. Between the superloud sounds echoing around and off buildings, Doppler effects, and the loudness, it's impossible to tell if they're on your street, the next street over, or in your lap. Makes them and others safer? Yeah right.

The only things you can do on a bike to make you safer is wear a helmet, and follow the traffic laws.

papajuliet's picture

Good for the City of Auburn

Good for the City of Auburn for taking on this loud and selfish special-interest group. How long did this faux-barbarians think they could continue to rob all of us of our right to reasonable peace and quiet? The "Loud Pipes Save Lives" myth is just that. A myth. Let's hope this is another big step forward towards reclaiming our public space. Please help end this blight by signing the petition below. Thanks.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/niceandquiet

candiceanne's picture

papjuliet

As a former employee of Harley-Davidson, a word of warning, the company is very protective of that logo you are abusing, I would strongly encourage you to discontinue using it before the cost to you is a whole lot more than $137 fine for loud pipes. I would suggest you contact Miss Reeves ASAP and ask her to remove it where ever it may appear.

papajuliet's picture

First Amendment protection is

First Amendment protection is accorded where the parody does not serve to promote a competing product, but rather is used as a part of a story line or to convey an idea through a literary or artistic work. Courts have always been more lenient towards parodies in relation to copyrighted works, stating that 'copyright law should be hospitable to the humour of parody'.

papajuliet's picture

candiceanne- Sorry to burst

candiceanne- Sorry to burst your bubble, but parody, which this logo obviously is, is protected. Don't make such silly threats.

tron's picture

it's the only kind

she knows

lawntobemowed's picture

How many jobs

have you held Candiceanne? You've seemed to have worked everywhere. Having held so many jobs sounds like you find it hard to keep one.

candiceanne's picture

I don't think you really want

I don't think you really want to know lawntobemowed but I will bless you with an answer. I had one primary job in high school, though I took an extra summer job one year on top of that. Then I had the same job for 10 years which included while going to college and after. Then I opened my own business which I started while doing the job I worked full-time those 10 years and I ran that till I sold it and moved to Florida, that was about 8 years. I had my own business for a little over 3 years and was recruited by a major investment company but hated it and left after a year to go back to my own business which i continued to grow and expand until selling out and "retiring" after a total of 9 years and now I am doing a philanthropic mission project which involves doing lots of free work for lots of government and non-profits. If you count the philanthropic mission as 1 that makes 7 total though twice I had two jobs at once in 34 years. Statistically we change careers every 10 years, looks like I am right in line statistically.

lawntobemowed's picture

I will bless you with an answer

I knew you would!

tron's picture

MS know-it-all busybody strikes again.

Why don't you go back where you come from , we are ALL really sick of you're good two-shoes bullony.

candiceanne's picture

Kindness to others annoys Tron who would have figured

At some point I had to take a break from work, something Tron knows nothing about, and homework and figured I'd come see what I'd been missing all week. I just got lucky, it doesn't take much, and managed to annoy Tron by trying to spare someone the wrath of a major corporation with very deep pockets and a huge legal team.

tron's picture

Kindness to others? you?? All you've done is bring your

elitist attitude and condescending manner to our state. you believe your manure smells better than anyone else's, so you spread it around and stink up this entire state. We don't need you, we don't want you, and we absolutely do not like you. Go away and leave us. We'll all be better off. You are NOT smarter than anyone else, in fact you create more problems.

preaves's picture
staff

You two need to knock it off.

You two need to knock it off.

Brain's picture

Great News

... and an end to the abusive loud noise

Brain's picture

AND

... maybe this will reduce the number of tattooed, dressed like a pirate, midlife challenged people on the streets

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