Summer respite from loud pipes?

Is it just our imagination, or have there been fewer really loud motorcycles ripping up the roads this summer?

It seemed that way to some of us, perhaps a sign that changes in Maine's motorcycle noise ordinances that went into effect this summer are having an effect.

The new law makes it easier for police to cite vehicles — not just motorcycles — for excessive or unusual noise that is "noticeably louder than similar vehicles."

Previously, the law made it illegal to modify pipes to amplify sound. So, motorcyclists could argue in court that they added louder pipes to improve safety or performance.

Now, intent doesn't matter; too loud, too bad.

Local police agencies, we are pleased to see, have taken advantage of the new law.

Auburn Police have cited eight people for excessively loud exhaust and 28 have been warned since the new law went into effect. This follows a pledge by Chief Phil Crowell to step up noise enforcement.

Auburn Deputy Chief Jason Moen, meanwhile, serves on a statewide board looking for other ways to solve the problem.

In Lewiston, 32 motorists have been either warned or cited since last summer. Androscoggin County deputies have stopped and warned about half a dozen riders.

Bikers have long argued that loud pipes make motorcycles safer, which many have doubted.

It makes us wonder if that's ever been put to the test. Shouldn't it be possible to compare motorcycle accident rates per vehicle mile traveled by manufacturer?

Some touring bikes — like Honda Goldwings and BMWS — are usually whisper-quiet.

We seriously doubt, however, that their accident rates are any higher.

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Raven's picture

The problem is that this isn't just about motorcycles!!

But the bikers are the ones being hit the hardest!!

The very first line of this editorial:

"Is it just our imagination, or have there been fewer really loud motorcycles ripping up the roads this summer?"

This law ISN'T JUST ABOUT MOTORCYCLES - so why is everyone slamming on the bikers?? There are just as many people with souped-up cars that are loud, or have loud stereos that can shake you right out of bed, but no one is mentioning THOSE - why not? Why is it all about the big bad bikes?

They throw in the one little line "The new law makes it easier for police to cite vehicles — not just motorcycles", then they go right back to complaining about the bikes ... I am so tired of the one-sided and biased commentaries and reporting by the SunJournal.

papajuliet's picture

What people notice is that

What people notice is that quiet Harleys are a rarity. The faux-barbarian chopper culture is dominated by the noise-mongers. You miscreants have gone to great length and expense to make you badmotorscooters as loud as possible, you've run roughshod over everyone's clearly codified right to be free from illegal and invasive noise, and now you act all surprised and hurt and misunderstood. It's not about safety, it's about disturbing as many people as possible to project this cookie-cutter rugged "individual" image. Individuals that just happen to travel in packs and look, act, and sound alike. More like herd animals, than true individuals.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/niceandquiet

rdarluv's picture
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What I have seen is that most

What I have seen is that most of the people that are complaining about loud motorcycles keep referring to the harley. Fact is, V-Twin engines (two cylinders) run louder than a four cylinder engines and all harleys happen to be v-twins. Many of the aisian bikes on the market now have followed suit, producing big v-twins. Why?? Most of you wouldn't recognize a harley from a honda shadow or a yamaha v-star any day of the week, but you all blame the harley! Many times I have heard people refer to a Harley on the road only to have to tell them that it was a Kawasaki or a victory.........the Harley just happens to be the most popular v-twin out there.

candiceanne's picture

Hey Papajuliet what happened

Hey Papajuliet what happened to your Harley Logo?

jmyoung's picture
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Awe crap, I gotta buy an

Awe crap, I gotta buy an alarm clock. The guy next door always wakes me up in the morning during the summer. Which was really convenient. It's gotten so I wake up BEFORE he heads to work. I have a question, is APD gonna cite my snowblower? I lived in OOB for seven years a block from Saco Ave, you could hear the bikes out on Route One! All nite long.... 1am,2am 3am. When they did come into town, all my dishes would rattle. And it's funny, pull up to a light or an intersection next to one of these things and they will BLOW your eardrums out and they are stopped, surrounded and not moving. I think it is unfortunate that a few under endowed people have ruined it for the rest. I tell you what though, I don't have one but I like ridin them. There is NOTHING like a Harley. Nothing except a quiet Harley.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Since we are now going to

Since we are now going to outlaw anything that annoys us, I would like to add a few things that bother me to the list:

Crying babies – There is no need for it, shut your little brat up, or keep him/her home.
Ice Scream Trucks – Seriously, that music is terrible, stop it.
Horns – Specifically train horns. There is no need for them, you have lights at all the intersections.
People who talk on cell phones at store counters – Need I say more?
Protesters –Noise pollution at its purist.

Honestly people, if you think my bike is too loud, tough $%^$. I don’t like the look of your ugly face but you don’t see me crying about it. I just look the other way.

Hugh_Junit's picture

I was @ O.O.B. this summer

I was @ O.O.B. this summer standing on a street corner munching on a slice of pizza when about 20 motorcycles came through,,,,let's just say I won't be needing that colonoscopy or my teeth cleaned & scaled anytime soon because the noise and rumbling should have shaken any pollops or plaque right outta me,,,it was obnoxious.

rdarluv's picture
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i wasn't....

I can tell you, I wasn't at OOB when that happened, but I am being blamed for it.

ZapRowsdower's picture

seriously?

Why would a statistical analysis require all near misses to be identical? That makes no sense. We're not even counting near misses. We are simply counting accidents. If loud riders can avoid accidents better than quiet riders, they will be in fewer accidents on average. It's not rocket science here. It's a two-sample t-test.

If loud pipes were really so effective, then surely there would be data on this, perhaps even a government mandate like some states have with helmets. Obviously that's not the case.

big cars trump little

big cars trump little bikes...
you ride? you decide to put your life on the line! ....and I use to ride along time ago with noisy jap bike headers...an 80 year old cut me off anyways..lucky i was only goin 30mph

rdarluv's picture
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Andy, you said: "This link to

Andy, you said: "This link to an opinion piece certainly proves that loud colors work much better than loud pipes to improve motorcycle safety and also cost much less than illegally loud pipes."

Please tell me, is it an "opinion" or "proof"......you contradict yourself in this statement.

The fact is, nobody knows for sure if loud pipes, bright colors, or even helmets save lives because NOBODY keeps track of "lives saved"....there is no way to. The data just doesn't exist! Not for you and not for us......

WideStanceRepublican's picture

Overcompensating

Idiots with loud bikes are overcompensating for their other glaring shortcomings.

Pirate's picture
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The Pirate rejoices in this

The Pirate rejoices in this opportunity to agree with WSR on something. This issue is certainly it.

Old Bill's picture

Ditto! I used to ride a

Ditto! I used to ride a nice, quiet bike (I had a Yamaha 400 Special) around town. I never had any of those "close calls" others complain about- you know, where the loud pipes "saved" them from being struck by another vehicle. I know several people who ride, some with loud exhausts and others with quiet ones. The ones with the quiet bikes are all considerate riders, but it seems (I know, this is somewhat anecdotal/biased) those who ride with loud exhausts tend to ride agressively. I suppose that if you drive/ride aggressively, you are eventually going to have one or more of those "close calls".

rdarluv's picture
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have to ask....

I have to ask old Bill, that Yamaha 400 is an old bike, were you riding it back when drivers weren't distracted by cell phones, pdas, ipods...etc??

Old Bill's picture

Yes. Instead, they were

Yes. Instead, they were distracted by loud stereos.

rdarluv's picture
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???

Drivers distracted by loud stereos?? How did loud stereos back then distract them any more than a "normal" volume stereo?? Did they have to crank a handle to make it play louder??

PistonJay's picture

Still nothing better to do with your time Andy Ford?

Great legacy to have, "spent his life forcing his beliefs on others". FIND A REAL CAUSE TO STAND BEHIND!

sprung's picture
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Loud colors trump loud pipes

We can hope that Maine's slightly revised muffler law will be enforceable, but until a loud biker challenges it in court, we won't know.

We do know that that the tired, old saying, Loud Pipes Saves Lives is a myth and an excuse for many bikers to ride loud simply because they like the sound of a big V-twin engine.

This link to an opinion piece certainly proves that loud colors work much better than loud pipes to improve motorcycle safety and also cost much less than illegally loud pipes.

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20100716%2FOPI...

As the larger society (bikers are less than three percent of the U.S. population) learns more about loud riding such as it's illegal and not necessary, we will impose effective solutions upon the tiny minority that rides loud.

That's why Maine Citizens For Quiet Motorvehicles is continuing to work to have Maine adopt and enforce the EPA label law.

rdarluv's picture
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there will always be...

@ Johnny, there will always be some that are too loud to some people, no matter what laws are put in place. Those that are obnoxiously loud now will continue to be obnoxious in other ways after wards....... do we keep chasing them with new laws or do we simply, actually, enforce the ones we have?? Some might even, at times, find your public conversations annoying....it all subjective.

frnchmn's picture

I have had 4 near misses this

I have had 4 near misses this season so far. Each instance I used my horn and the car driver never noticed. When I used my exhaust...they instantly noticed and swerved back into their lane. Look a fire/police/ambulance siren is much louder and the exhaust of a V twin is onlygoing to be loud if under load or acceleration. A car horn is louder but you don't go riding through town riding the horn. My bike CAN be loud if/when ocular it to be. But I ride as quiet as I can. The problem is the noise Nazis feel ANY sound is too much and with this little victory they will try for more regulations. Earlier this year I was on a charity ride and met a few large groups from out of state. By groups I'm talking 20+ riders per group and they all we on planned vacations in Maine. During their ride inti this state the whole group was pulled over by state police who were pulling every bike over on I95. None of the riders received warnings nor citations but they all were made to feel as though they broke the law. They all told me this was going to be their last ride to ME. So the stTe spends millions to advertise "Vacationland" Maine but harasses law abiding citizens. Great move by a few. There are a few who are pushing this and they have gone way too far, abusing the intent of this poorly written misguided law.

CanAmSteve's picture

Sorry - doesn't make sense

You say you used your horn on four occasions with no effect but you "used your pipes" and that worked?

How, pray tell, does one "use your pipes"? I speak as a long-time motorcyclist. Did you

A) accelerate rapidly so your illegal exhaust system made even MORE noise, and in the process, run into the side of the car you were trying to avoid?

or

B) You pulled in the clutch, thereby immediately slowing down, and revved the engine in neutral? Fancy!

or

C) You made this up and it doesn't make sense and couldn't actually have happened as you state.

Hey - have you considered that if not for the din of your illegal pipes - maybe someone could HEAR YOUR HORN?

PS - there is another lever called "the brake" that you might have someone show you, too.

Old Bill's picture

No, you don't ride "as quiet

No, you don't ride "as quiet as " you can. You just admitted you have loud pipes. If you used stock pipes as when the bike was newly-built, THEN you would be riding "as quiet as you can".

concerned KD's picture

Your exampl is no different

Your exampl is no different than an out of state vehicle getting pulled over for having the window tint too dark.. THe fact of the matter is that as long as the vehicle(car or bike)is legal for the state it is registered in then it is A ok and no citations can be given.Anyone who wants to modify a vehicle in Maine has to follow the laws, why should riders be exempt? I want to build a monster truck and drive it down the street daily on my commute..It keeps me safer since if I were to get in a head on collision I would just ride right over anything in my way. So why should the state be able to tell me I cant drive the vehicle that keeps ME safe? Ohh, because it violates the LAW.Riders are NOT entitled to breack the law regardless if they personally feel it keeps them safer...I think I would be safer with a fully automatic assault rifle slung around me wherever I go.. But I cannot do that, can I? .... If those whom you met were too ignorant or thought they were too important to get questioned about thier exhaust and choose to not come back then so be it.. It is thier loss..... Chastizing the police for doing thier job is not the way to have your point of view heard..

rdarluv's picture
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the problem now....

@ Johnny, the problem now is that because your attention has been focused so much on motorcycles that you are now actively looking and listening to each and every bike that goes by and even the stock bikes are being shunned. The media now has control YOUR mind.....is that really where you want to be??

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nope.... the problem is, is people who ride with loud pipes just want to feel like they are powerful and the noise amplifies the attention they get from others... I can't tell you how many times I've had to pause in conversations because a loud bike passes by.. and yes some trucks and cars are also guilty...

I don't know where you liive,

I don't know where you liive, but they are still loud

rdarluv's picture
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not taking....

Auburn and Lewiston PD are NOT taking advantage of a "new law", they are simply doing their job due to the media coverage this year. They could ALWAYS do their job if they had wanted to since most of the loud bikes would have failed our inspection laws anyway! The law is NOT NEW, simply reworded to close a loophole that was being abused by a few. The loud pipes being cited have always been illegal. After decades of no enforcement some bikers chose to take advantage of that and each year it got worse. Heck, it's been so long since this has been enforced that some had never even heard the old version of the law, let alone the new version....... so do we blame the motorcycle community entirely?? Most of the motorcycle community agrees that something needs to be done but we are all being shunned because of the acts of a few............the media coverage as well as some noise-activist groups have instilled unreasonable fear in the non riding community and now even I am getting dirty looks when I start my STOCK V-Twin..........the pendulum is swinging too far the other way and that will only cause the "loud bikers" to get louder.

You have to remember, those that disrespect the community by riding obnoxiously loud will always disrespect the community no matter what. Loud pipes now, something else next.....

rdarluv's picture

loud pipes........

Taken from: http://www.motorcyclephilosophy.org/
Thursday, March 20, 2008 | Posted by Steve Johnson |

Loud pipes save lives: I know you've read many other arguments on the issue of "loud pipes save lives".

I wanted to present a new argument on the standpoint that our society only counts fatalities, and not survivals.

The problem with the "loud pipes save lives" claim is that there's no way to measure it as being true or not. As long as riders continue to go on living, we'll never know if it was their loud pipes that saved them from accidents.

On the other hand, we can count biker deaths. But what good are biker deaths when we're trying to figure out if loud pipes save lives?

If you ride a motorcycle, I'm sure you tend to get a little anxious about being in someone's blind spot. I always accelerate or drop out of it. The fact is that I don't know if my pipes have ever saved my life. But I do have loud pipes, and yes I've been in several near misses. The fact that I'm still alive just might be attributed to those pipes.

We'll never know for sure if loud pipes save lives because government doesn't count accidents that almost happened. But ask any motorcycle rider who is still alive, and he or she will tell you about the near misses they were involved in.

The irony, however, is that many people who protest against loud pipes are often the same people that support helmet laws. They claim that helmets save lives, but how do we know that if we only count the fatalities?

The truth is that we don't have statistics on how many times a helmet saved a life. We only know how many bikers died. Instead we analyze the consequences of repealing helmet laws by comparing the before-and-after fatality rates. If we see a 0.25% or higher reduction in fatalities, we pat ourselves on the back for making progress.

So can't we also suggest that loud pipes don't always save lives, but they will increase your chances? What if a state decided to aggressively enforce its noise abatement laws and forced every motorcycle owner to reinstall their stock exhaust? Will motorcycle deaths increase?

And if they did increase, will the State apologize and reverse its decision on loud pipes? Should we experiment with the lives of motorcyclists and see if more of them die?

If we defend helmet laws with aggregate statistics, then it stands to reason that the same can be done with loud pipes. Except, we don't have such statistics.

And I don't think we ought to create any, either.

ZapRowsdower's picture

no clue about statistics

You have no idea about statistics. You are arguing that loud riders have near misses that would have turned into accidents/fatalities for a quiet rider. Even if you don't (and can't) count near misses, you can count the accidents that happen. If a "close call" turns into an accident for one group and not for another group, you can compare accident statistics between the two groups to see that effect.

Let me spell it out simply for you. Let's say that there are two riders, both of whom are in 10 dangerous situations within a year. The loud rider has an accident 2 of the 10 times, uses his loud pipes to avoid the accident 3 of the ten times, and uses good driving skills to avoid the accident 5 out of ten times. So.... 8 "near misses" and 2 measurable accidents.

The quiet driver doesn't have the advantage of loud pipes, so in the above situation, all other things being equal, he would be in 5 accidents out of ten times.

If this were the case, even without counting near misses, you can show that the quiet rider had 5 accidents and the loud rider had 2 accidents within the same time span.

If this were true, you could clearly demonstrate the safety value of loud pipes. Obviously no two drivers are going to have identical numbers of dangerous situations, but aggregating data across thousands of motorcycle drivers would still show a pattern if one existed.

And the pattern hasn't been shown. Loud pipes have not been demonstrated to save lives, despite your anecdotal "evidence". Denying that statistical research can even be done on the matter shows that you don't really care what the truth is and/or have no idea how statistics work.

rdarluv's picture
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but I do.....

understand statistics.......your method of figuring the stats on this would REQUIRE ALL "near misses" to be identical.......and there are just too many variables affecting this for that to happen. Way too many, hence the term "aggregate statistics" which is VERY CLEARLY used in the article. Thank you for strengthening my position on this by using more aggregate stats!

ZapRowsdower's picture

seriously?

Why would a statistical analysis require all near misses to be identical? That makes no sense. We're not even counting near misses. We are simply counting accidents. If loud riders can avoid accidents better than quiet riders, they will be in fewer accidents on average. It's not rocket science here. It's a two-sample t-test.

If loud pipes were really so effective, then surely there would be data on this, perhaps even a government mandate like some states have with helmets. Obviously that's not the case.

rdarluv's picture
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no...

it isn't a simple two sample test. Define for me, quiet rider and loud rider?? There are many different levels of "loud". What is loud to you may not be to me, so to make this a simple two sample test there must be a clear agreed upon line between quiet and loud and all bikes within each group must be at the same level of sound (to make it simple). Since the chance of each group being identical within itself is slim to none, this is no longer a simple two sample test. Where would you even get the data to determine if the bikes in the accident were loud or quiet? Nobody ever asks, "were his pipes loud or quiet before the crash?" Now we can use, let's say a 2000 Harley Sportster with an 80 pound woman and the same bike with a 300 pound man and it WILL sound different under load. The 80 lb woman may have a more quiet ride then the 300 lb man on the same bike creating yet even more variables within each group. The bike could be considered under the "quiet rider" group with her on it, but under the "loud rider" group with him.

To determine if loud pipes, bright colors, or helmets save lives, we must be able to also count the lives saved by them and since nobody counts them, the data simply does not exist. Again, we are not saying "quiet pipes kill", we are saying loud pipes increase our chances by making us "audibly visible" much like every other industry is allowed to do. If sound wasn't considered a "safety mechanism" then we wouldn't have sirens, back up alarms, fog horns, car horns etc.....

Now, that said, I will agree that there is a line between "acceptable sound" and "unacceptable noise" and the argument is: Where do we draw that line?? MECALM wants motorcycles snuffed out completely because their key members simply don't like bikers and they have demonstrated that countless times. By pushing for a "total clamp down" via a discriminatory EPA label law they have, in a sense, ASKED the biking community to push back........

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