Ever since the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 handed down its decision on Roe vs. Wade, states have developed a series of laws regulating abortion.
Some states have added provisions requiring parental consent and pre-procedure counseling. Others have banned a procedure opponents call partial-birth abortion.
Maine's laws are fairly straightforward: Abortions must be performed by a physician. Doctors and hospitals have the right to decline performing the procedure.
The state also prohibits abortions once the fetus reaches a point where it can survive outside the womb, otherwise known as infant viability.
Women can receive public funding for abortion in cases of rape, incest or life endangerment.
Over the years, lawmakers have proposed changes to Maine's regulations.
In 1999, a bill that would have banned partial-birth abortions died between the two chambers of the state Legislature. Later that year it was defeated by voters.
State law allows minors seeking an abortion to avoid getting permission from their parents with the OK of a doctor or a judge. In 2005, state Sen. Debra Plowman, R-Hampden, sponsored a bill requiring parental notification, but it was voted down by both chambers.
That same session, the Legislature defeated another measure requiring a physician to counsel a woman seeking an abortion 24 hours before the procedure was to take place. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 18 states have enacted similar legislation.
The battle between pro-choice and pro-life groups continues, often with one side attempting to expand its reach through seemingly unrelated legislation.
That happened in 2005 when several Republicans in the Legislature attempted to implement a fetal homicide bill to create additional criminal offenses in cases involving violence against pregnant women. But pro-choice advocates worried the definition "unborn child" would open the door for prosecution against abortion providers.
According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 38 states have adopted fetal homicide laws. The Maine legislation died when Democrats used a parliamentary procedure to delay a roll call vote, a move that incensed the bill's Republican sponsors, according to news reports at the time.
Here's where the gubernatorial candidates stand on abortion.
Eliot Cutler, 64, independent
Cutler is definitive in his position. He's pro-choice.
However, he said he respects those who have a moral opposition to abortion based on their religious or personal beliefs.
He said both sides should come together to find ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
John Jenkins, 58, independent
Jenkins said he doesn't support partial-birth abortion unless a mother's life is at risk.
Jenkins also believes minors should have to notify their parents before having the procedure.
Jenkins said he wouldn't want to change any of Maine's laws governing abortion, but he was wary of the procedure becoming "a birth-control method."
He said he would also lead the charge to make sure residents knew more about abortion service providers, in particular Planned Parenthood. Jenkins subscribes to the theory that the organization's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a proponent of eugenics, the controversial effort to discourage reproduction by people who have so-called undesirable traits.
"I think family planning agencies have done a great service for women," he said. "But I'm also painfully aware of their history in the eugenics movement, which targeted populations that 'needed to be controlled,' people that look like me."
"I think people need to know more about who's giving you this advice," he added.
Paul LePage, 61, Republican
LePage said he's pro-life.
"I come from a family of 18 kids," LePage said. "If my parents favored abortion that might have been it for me."
LePage did not elaborate on how he would want to amend the state's abortion laws.
Libby Mitchell, 70, Democrat
Mitchell is pro-choice.
She said she wouldn't amend the state's abortion laws or its parental consent provision.
She said the current law balances the rights of an individual with the rights of a family.
Shawn Moody, 51, independent
Moody called abortion an "intimate, personal choice."
"I personally wouldn't make that choice," he said. "But I feel for the people who do."
He said potential changes to the state's abortion law would require a "dramatic change in the state leadership."
"And I don't see that happening," he said.
Kevin Scott, 42, independent
Scott, a self-described Christian, doesn't care for abortion.
However, he said he wouldn't impose his beliefs on those who decide to have the procedure.
"I'm not going to tamper with that," he said.


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John jenkins--Jj you are right, you do need to know more about who is giving advice!! Eugenics and Margaret Sanger--? Why did Martin Luther King spoke highly of her??Historical REVISIONISM??
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I feel that those who uphold the right and respect of the unborn baby deserve my vote. As a victim of s..xual abuse, I know all about suffering but as a woman, I feel that the baby has every right to live. Abortion is murder plain and simple. Too much science has already confirmed when life begins (at conception). Within only a matter of days, an unborn baby already has unique traits of their own individual person. MOST women want to keep the baby but lack of support from boyfriend, husband or family pressure them into abortion. It is the fault of society for giving so little respect to women in general and motherhood especially. I will vote for those who value life and also the traditional family. The family is the foundation of society. To negate that is to destroy our community. Someone who can bring that value back, deserves my vote. :)
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I think all candidates are against abortions as birth control...the question is, or should be, what will you do as governor to help prevent/reduce abortions. What is puzzling about the so-called Christians who are against choice is that they are also against any form of sex education/birth control - except for abstinence (and you can ask so-called Christians Sarah/Bristol Palin how that is working). These anti-education, anti-birth control, anti-choice people are indirectly responsible for unwanted pregnancies that lead to ..abortion. Go figure.
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Actually the cause of unwanted teen pregnancy has nothing to do with anti-birth control parenting. Go read the statistics. Teens get into trouble or hang with the wrong crowd because they are not getting what they need from their family and parents. It is the parents responsibility to teach respect and responsibility to their children.
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To quote melora, "Teens get into trouble or hang with the wrong crowd because they are not getting what they need from their family and parents." Thank you, that is exactly what I am saying. Therefore, educate teens and all young men and women about choices they have (yes, including abstinence). Your 'head in the sand' approach promotes unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Go read the statistics.
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Sex ed has been around for years in the schools and is pushed more by liberal parents and school teachers than abstinence-only which is usually reserved for Christian schools only. Sex ed has done little to prevent unwanted pregnancy or abortion. Only by teaching proper morals and discipline (which is what abstinence is about, as well as respect for self and others) are you going to have children who grow up to be responsible teens and then adults. True, some will stray but the whole problem really boils down to the family. The foundation of society is the family. Respect needs to begin at home. And where there is respect, there is morality and discipline.
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Sten - the question is important to this newspaper simply because they want to sway democrats to vote for Libby and need any excuse they can to pull back the voters which nationwide are showing to lean to the right at present...it has nothing to do with any decision a governor might make but simply a biased question to favor one candidate..what did you really expect from this liberal buttkissing newspaper?
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This really is not a gubinatorial issue. The fed has pretty much set the standards on abortion. I agree completely with you Ben Dare. It is unfortunate that some issues that should have been included in this serious are not and some that are that should have been covered in depth have been given short shift in order to taint the coverage and to include issues that are not relevent that the governor really has no control over.
As I have been laying here with pneumonia this past week, I was thinking about the old general store. How people used to meet regularly around the potbelly stove in winter or the soda fountain in summer, yes we had a place like that in Rumford when I was a kid believe it or not. People talked to each other, shared news, and talked things over. We were not dependent on a newspaper for tidbits or a newspaper reporters single viewpoint. One of the things I look to this forum for is an opportunity to get more information than the reporter or editor want, will or can provide and other viewpoints. While it is sometimes annoying the bizzare lengths people go off the story subject to introduce items that just are not relevent to what is in the story, what is going on in the area, or even the nation or the world at the time but, more personal agenda stuff, most of the time I appreciate the opportunity this forum provides, the closest thing to the old general store. One thing that has bothered me though is that frequently we go 4, 5 even 7 days with no River Valley news and I know there is stuff going on, there has to be, the towns certainly didn't close. I also see a lack of state and national coverage in these pages. While I read a number of papers from around the country even around the globe, not everyone has that kind of access; I also subscribe to quite a few news services that send me txt and email news bulletins throughout the day. Yes, you could say I am a news junkie, except for TV news which I don't watch. I appreciate for the most part everyone's contributions here, I only wonder what we can do to improve things even more. I would like to here more from the candidates and the LTTE endorsements "he's so great" aren't what I mean. If we could only get the candidates to get involved with the forums maybe?
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nice post. well said.
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Well it seems to me that if the woman exercises her “right to choose” to have sex, she should grant the child the “right to choose” whether they would like to live or die.
How can we possibly grant a mother the “right of choose” to murder and not grant the unborn child the “right to choose” to live?
Again, the person most affected by the decision is the only one with no real say in the matter. They have no “choice”.
I am “pro-choice” – I favor giving the unborn child the “choice".
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If only it were always the woman exercising her "right to choose" to have sex. Unfortunately as in the question as to why minors can have abortions without parental knowledge or consent, it isn't always consentual sex that leads to pregnancy. An 9, 10 or 11 year old even a 15 or 16 year old being molested by a family member i.e. a father or step-father is not having consentual sex and a pregnancy well . . .A woman who is attacked in a parking garage leaving work, on a jogging trail, as she is sleeping in her own bed by an intruder, . . . and becomes pregnant as the result certainly did not give consent.
The other thing I would add is, I have often heard OB/GYNs talk of feeling the life force enter the child when they take the first breath. I know my own doctor encouraged dad's to "catch" the baby to experience this. My personal feeling is that so long as the child cannot live seperate from the mother it is in effect a parasite without a seperate life and that life begins when development reaches a point that that life force could enter with a first independent breath which is significantly before 40 weeks gestation, I believe around 28 weeks with current technology.
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I didn't say anything about rape cases.
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K0NPHL1C7 writes: "Well it seems to me that if the woman exercises her “right to choose” to have sex, she should grant the child the “right to choose” whether they would like to live or die."
Therefore, according to your logic, if a woman does not choose to have sex - then she - rather than the child - has the choice regarding an abortion.
You can't have it both ways.
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I never said anything about rape. You are putting words in my mouth.
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You set up the condition of the logical inference; there is no other way of interpreting it.
You need to watch what you say.
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Don't like abortion? Don't have one.
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You just made me realize that the world would be better off if certain people had been aborted.
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Now if we could just get you to believe in Education....
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There is nothing wrong with the education I received in the Arkansas school system. I even remember part of it.
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Sorry F&H - your name change slipped me for a minute, otherwise I wouldn't have messed with you. You actually are one of my favorite conservatives here.
As you know, Mosaic Law doesn't mention foeticide - only one verse refers to the secondary death of a fetus. There is some question if this is 'Accidental' killing or 'Reckless'
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As far as a biblical condemnation of abortion goes, there is not any. Some people point to "Thou shalt not kill" as a prohibition against abortion, but that still leads us back to the debate of whether the fetus is a human life or not. I simply believe in respecting and preserving the life that God created. Whether you call a fetus a human life or not is irrelevant to me. The fetus is clearly alive and it was clearly created by God, and should be respected and preserved as a Holy creation.
However, I do respect the rights of those that disagree with me. I am not pro choice but yet I don't condemn those that make the choice to have an abortion. That is between them and God, and it is none of my business. Those nuts at Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas are wrong for protesting abortion clinics. Instead of calling these unfortunate women terrible names and persecuting them, they should simply be praying for them, and offering any kind of assistance they can to possibly avoid an abortion, and emotional support even if they do have the abortion.
I don't believe that very many women actually have abortions as a form of birth control. I believe that most women are in some type of bind and feel that an abortion is the only way out. I believe the church should be helping these women find alternatives to their seemingly hopeless situation instead of condemning them.
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in what is otherwise a very emotional area. I certainly wouldn't want to be placed in the position of making the decision - nor would I make the decision that a woman could not decide.
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Yes Veritas, I agree with your statement here.
The problem with most Christians/churches is that their love is conditional. They love people that meet their approval and shun the rest. True Christian is when we celebrate with people when they make good decisions, and we support them even when they make bad decisions. And we love them no matter what.
So, if we can help a woman carry her baby to birth, then we should do it. And if she decides to abort the baby, then we should love them and support them anyway, and hopefully make a difference in their life.
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True, Christians are called to love but you would never condone an abortion. It would be proper to encourage the woman to choose life. MOST women want to keep the baby but it is others who do not support them that causes them to feel pressure and no where to turn. If people support both by word and by giving (financial or otherwise), that helps the woman make the right choice. It is a hard cross to bear but we all have to carry crosses in life. If the woman sees it as a cross, she may change her mind once the baby is born. This society needs to respect women and especially motherhood again.
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Melora, you seem to be limiting your view of abortion as birth control and that an accidental pregnancy is a punishment for some sin the woman has committed. This goes back to my let he who is free from sin cast the first stone reference earlier. Many abortions are done for medical reasons having absolutely nothing to do with "birth control" and others like those in the case of rape and incest especially when the woman is actually a child can actually make the difference between life and death. Women who are raped are victims and not at fault in any way for their rape. Children certainly do not ask to be molested an impregnated by their molesters.
You also bring up that "society eeds to respect women and especially motherhood again." As the foster mother of six boys, I have to say that respect is earned. We live in a society where we have children having babies deliberately. We have women having babies for a paycheck. And worst of all we have anchor babies. We have a growing population of women having children for all the wrong reasons, motherhood being furthest from their minds.
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"This society needs to respect women", and respect their ability to reach their own decisions!
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Love which is conditional is not really Love.
God's love, which is the most perfect and pure love - is truly unconditional. It is how we are forgiven by Him, and how we should forgive.
That is how I strive to love my wife, and pray to be loved.
Damn you're good for a Conservative!!! :)
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What importance does this question have to do being governor? This an issue for the Supreme court. What does eugenics have to do as an answer to an irrelevant question for gubernatorial race?? The best response is that it is a personal choce.There are enough IMPORTANT questions that are relevant for this race which has its clowns, especially those who don't want to run but have to BECAUSE the people want HIM...
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how some people can deem the life of an unborn child as "not important"
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He's the Gatekeeper.
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Intelligent responses? from people who think killing an unborn child is ok but killing a deer to feed your family is bad? Come on, come to your sesnes lad....this is liberal democrats we're talking about, if they are smart they won't comment at all on this one..
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Steve Bulger said: "Why is it that the same people who favor a woman's right to end the life of an unborn fetus are the same people who vehemently oppose the termination of life for a convicted murderer?"
I would pose a question to you- why is it that the same people who favor capital punishment (the death penalty) are the same people who oppose abortion?
The critical question about abortion revolves around whether or not one believes that a fetus is a human life, or put another way, at what point does human life begin. Those who vehemently oppose abortion believe that life begins at conception, mostly base on what their religious beliefs are. Those who are pro-choice, believe life begins at some othe point. The overarching question here is, as Shawn Moody said, a deeply personal one, and should be left to the individual. Unfortunately, the party that claims to want to have LESS government intrusion into our personal lives, has made it one of their central missions to legislate a ban on abortions, and gay marriage, either at the state or federal level, up to and including constitutional amendments--all based upon their religious beliefs, and thereby imposing those beliefs on others.
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"I would pose a question to you- why is it that the same people who favor capital punishment (the death penalty) are the same people who oppose abortion? "
This is an easy one. It's because the person receiving the death penalty is guilty of a terrible crime, and the unborn child is innocent.
Aren't you glad your mother made the "choice" she did?
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You can't SERIOUSLY be asking how someone who favors capital punishment for convicted muderers are the same people who oppose ending the life of an unborn child can you? How can you even possibly compare the evilness of a murderer with the innocence of an unborn child? The unborn child has done NOTHING to deserve being killed.
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The pieces are there, but it can't stand on it's own.
Check the old laws on "Quickening"
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I would like to ask the Sun-Journal how the Governor of the state of Maine can effect the make-up of the US Supreme court and impact Rowe v Wade?
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Very good questions! I am anxious to hear what sort of intelligent responses you receive.
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I would like to know why people insist upon using the term “pro-choice” – It seems to me like the one who’s life is most affected by the decision (the unborn child) has no choice n the matter at all.
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The media refuse to use the term "pro-life" (just check CNN) because they don't want to acknowledge the life of the unborn baby in question. They use the term anti-abortion for those who believe in the life for the child. Pro-choice is just a nice way of terming something abominable.
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The term "Pro-Choice" means I am not going to inflict my morals, values, judgements, interpretations, determinations, biases. . . on your reproductive decisions. I am in favor of the individuals right of self-determination--pro-choice.
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There are a couple of questions that I would like someone to answer...intelligently:
1) How is it that an underage female can seek and obtain (with the concurrence of a doctor or judge) an abortion without notifying her parents, but that same young lady cannot get a piercing or tatoo without parental consent?
2) Why is it that the same people who favor a woman's right to end the life of an unborn fetus are the same people who vehemently oppose the termination of life for a convicted murderer?
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Yes, it is wrong that underage girl can get an abortion without her parents knowing. Kids can not make proper judgments. We've learned that from science regarding driving ability. The frontal lobe in the brain isn't fully developed until after age 21. Not to mention a teen will see it as crisis if the boyfriend isn't supportive. Women who get abortions DO regret their decision. I've dealt with women in grief who can not forget the baby they aborted. The tragedy would be greater for a teenager getting an abortion. It is a decision that will haunt them for years later.
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Steve, speaking as the foster parent of 6 and having spent 10 years in law enforcement I can answer your first question. The need for the abortion may well be the result of incest and therefore the last thing we want to do is inflict more trauma on the girl by bringing the abuser and the mother who has been enabling the abuse in to "give permission" or "consult" with the child on terminating the pregnancy. Secondly, we may have a violent home situation where notifying the parents would place the child's life in danger or at the very least subject the child to further physical or mental abuse. Abortion is a medical proceedure not undertaken lightly and the girls do receive counseling. Pregnancy and childbirth can be life threatening and the risks are much greater to both mother and child the in young mothers i.e. those under 18. When an 11 year old girl walks into a doctor's office pregnant it is life threatening, period. An 11 year old body is not ready for pregnancy or child birth; it is not fully developed itself. Stop and picture an 11 year old, that is a 6th or 7th grader.
Piercings and tatoos on the other hand are not medical proceedures or medically necessary under any circumstances. They are a personal choice body adornments. Both piercing and tatooing pose serious risk of life threatening complications from infection and reactions to the materials used in these body art only practices which have no quality of life enhancing or preserving qualities. Expressing the desire to have a piercing or tatoo is not likely to result in a beating or death at the hands of a parent. If it were a point of contention, the child could refrain form discussing or acting on the desire until maturity unlike the need for abortion which no one would argue is a now situation with the pregnancy itself poses serious dangers. So while both leave lasting effects, piercings and tattoos are optional body adornment which by their performance create possible life threatening conseqences, abortion performed on a minor is often a medically necessary precedure resulting from criminal acts and which with the potential for additional criminal acts if known by the wrong people to prevent life long harm or save a life.
As for your second question, I believe in a woman's right to choose. I am past childbearing years and fortunately never was called upon to make the choice and don't know that I could have. I do firmly believe that it is an individual choice however. For the Christians reading this, I would point to verses in the Bible that say that, if we think a sin so have we committed it, and with that, let he who is free of sin cast the first stone. I also believe that killing oneself would be considered a sin in the eyes of the Christian God which would include knowingly continuing a pregnancy that will result in your death especially if it will also result in the death of the fetus. I am a firm believer in the death penalty and would have no problem as a jury member sentencing a killer to death. I do object to the length of time death row inmates sit on death row. That I find inhumane to the convict, the victims family, and society as a whole.
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But the verses you referred to are taken out of context.
You said: " I would point to verses in the Bible that say that, if we think a sin so have we committed it, and with that, let he who is free of sin cast the first stone. "
Those verses are totally irrelevent to the discussion and in no way do they justify abortion. Not even remotely.
Sorry, but it really irritates me when people quote scripture out of context.
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Not irrelevent at all. My point was that let he who is free of sin cast the first stone and since every one has thought a sin all have committed a sin, no one is free of since so there is no one who is free of sin who can cast the first stone which was what Jesus was tryint to say. No matter how pure you may think you may be in your actions, you have thought of commiting sin which puts you in the sinner catagory.
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But what do they have to do with justifying abortion?
Are you saying that since everyone sins that it is ok to have an abortion?
Are you suggesting that these scriptures are instructing us to ignore sin in the world, including abortion?
If so, these reasons were not the intent of the scripture. You are adding your own twist to make them fit here for you.
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I was trying to avert the usual attacks.
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Well, I would never attack you for being pro choice....but I will correct you if you use scripture out of context.
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It wasn't me I was thinking about. This is a very hot button issue for the religious right. It can very quickly become a personal attack war zone and I was trying to keep that from happening right off to start. This really is not a gubanatorial issue since the federal courts have pretty well established the rules and Congress has taken over the rest. I am disappointed that SJ decided to take up a day of gubanatorial goverage with this, a day on driving records and another day on creationism both of which, really just do not belong here. There are far more important issues and issues that could have been covered more indpeth in a two day spread without this.
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Yes, but there are constantly changes to state laws being brought up before the legislature, and I feel like we need as many pro-life people serving in Augusta as we can get.
For instance the failed attempts to ban partial birth abortion. Have you ever seen a video of that? It looks like a living baby, and they pull it out part way. (If it came completely out then it would be a live birth and they couldn't kill it) While part of it is still in the birth canal they take a huge syringe, stick it through the skull and suck the brain out.
We need a governor that will fight to change this and other laws. No, we can't stop abortion completely on the state level, but we could end some practices like this.
Yes, this is a gubernatorial issue.
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1. - Her parents may be batshit crazy.
2. - This is a classic example of a 'non sequitur' - i.e. "Why do people with black hair eat clam chowder?" - Some do, some don't....
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