The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to religious freedom, but it does not permit religious theory to be taught as science in the public school system.
That reading of the Constitution has been backed by several U.S. Supreme Court decisions, each striking down attempts to teach creationism — the belief that God created the universe and humankind — alongside evolution in science class.
In 1987, the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional Louisiana's Creationism Act that prohibited the teaching of evolution unless it was paired with teachings in creationism.
Such precedent would seemingly extinguish efforts to teach creationism in public schools. But this year the debate has been reignited locally and nationally by candidates who have expressed support for teaching creationism or "intelligent design" alongside evolution.
Proponents argue that students should be allowed to consider both theories.
Opponents say teaching creationism, a religious belief, is designed to undermine the proven science of evolution, thus confusing students and potentially indoctrinating them in a specific state-sponsored religion and violating the Constitution's guarantee of religious freedom.
The creationism debate has recent context. In 2008, 11 years after the Supreme Court struck down Louisiana's Creationism Act in Edwards v. Aguillard, that state's Legislature passed a bill permitting local school districts to create curriculum that allows "critical thinking" and "objective discussion" about evolution.
The National Center for Science Education, which describes the provision as a backdoor approach to subvert evolution science, is contesting the law.
The law doesn't mention creationism or intelligent design. However, it appears to have emboldened pro-creationists. According to a July 24 report in The Advocate, in Louisiana, the Livingstone Parish School Board discussed adding creationism to the district's curriculum.
Here's where gubernatorial candidates stand on the issue.
Eliot Cutler, 64, independent
Cutler said it's unacceptable to teach creationism in public schools.
"I believe the government should not be making rules for religion and religion should not be making rules for government," he said.
John Jenkins, 58, independent
Jenkins opposes creationism being taught in public schools.
"Whose religion are we talking about?" he said. "People who follow Islam have a different idea about creation than those who follow Judaism, and on and on. Whose creation are we talking about? No, no, I wouldn't support that. Not at all."
Libby Mitchell, 70, Democrat
Mitchell said creationism is an appropriate discussion in church, but not in the public school system.
"There's no scientific evidence to support (creationism)," she said.
Paul LePage, 61, Republican
LePage's stance on creationism has generated the most controversy.
His position has become more ambiguous since he stated he would support a local school board adding creationism to its curriculum during a debate before the Republican primary.
"Whether it should be taught in school or not is not my decision," he said recently. "I'm not running for school board and I'm not running for pope, and I'm not running for commissioner of education. I'm running for governor. My feeling is creationism is something that should be taught in philosophy, evolution and science. Now whether it should be taught in school or not, it's not mine to decide."
He added, "Knowledge is power. The more they know, the better decisions they make in life."
LePage noted that creationism wasn't high on his agenda.
Scott Moody, 51, independent
Moody opposes teaching creationism in public schools. He was critical of LePage for expressing support for it.
"It concerns me about a person that would propose that," Moody said. "The governor isn't the guy who shoots from the hip. I kind of challenge the person, Mayor LePage, for saying that because, OK, you want to have creationism? OK, which bible, which religion?"
Moody added, "It's a shallow idea that to me exposes a little shoot-from-the-hip-type personality that doesn't always provide the best leadership."
Kevin Scott, 42, independent
Scott, a self-described Christian, said creationism taught at the university level might be appropriate, but not in public schools.
"The grade schools don't teach Hinduism and all the other religions, so why should a particular religion be taught?" Scott said.


He has said this before
He has said this before except it was evolution in science which is exactly what Matt Jacobsen said. Why bother doping the interviews if your reporters are too incompetent to spell the words stated correctly?
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It is telling that you get info from YOUtube. The problem is that I AM paying on my dime, and I am paying YOUR dime too. I want my dime back. I don't think it's fair that I have to pay for your religion.
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Watch one or even the whole informative series here on youtube and see. This is only for open minded people, sadly not a trait one sees in religious zealot nutcases (repulblicans).
http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t#p/a/AC3481305829426D/0/BS5vid4GkEY
http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t#p/a/AC3481305829426D/0/BS5vid4GkEY
http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t#p/a/AC3481305829426D/0/BS5vid4GkEY
You want your kids taught this rubbish send to a parochial school of your choice on YOUR dime not mine.
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When we are facing some extraordinary difficulties and Financial Problems at the State level this seems to be a silly question to ask. But let me add to the debate.
So called Creationism, which has been co-opted or "assigned" to christianity, is just an excercise of mathematical probabilities that questions and proves the unlikelyhood that the religion (haha) of evolution (macro anyway) is proven science. To accept evolution as proven fact, places it in the category of a religion. Oh Oooh. You had better not be teaching evolution as fact. DNA is DNA within a certain framework it is useful, to extend it to or to reach back into the past with these theories, is probably a fun excercise, but is an example of magical thinking. Some very smart scientists, who are not christian, are the very people positing these arguments of so called creationism. And they are just critically challenging evolutionary biologosts. It's a really good debate. And very productive. It seems to me that "Creationism" might have a big part in filling in the extraordinary gaps to evolutionary theory. Kinda dumb gubanatorial (sp) question though.
As a christian taxpayer, I find that the public school system, including our universities have NO problem offending me, so why should I pay taxes to that system? But if I want the kids to go to a school that reflects my beliefs, then I pay for private school and I pay for the public school system too. That is not fair.
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Good post hurumble. If our school budgets weren't being pared down to readin' and writin' we could offer philosophy and world religion courses where the various 'Creation' beliefs could be presented. Let science classes stick to science. Fatandhappy, you can send your kids to your religion's schools to learn about your religious beliefs. Why should taxpayer's subsidize courses on your religious beliefs and not others? What are we to have... 'Christian' science, 'Hindu' science, 'Muslim' science, etc.? Preachers (and their preaching) belong in a church, not in a public school.
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The belief that a god created the world is one of the most popular philosophical beliefs in the world related to how it began. Students should have the opportunity to discuss it. However, there is nothing about creationism that suggest it would be appropriate for science class. Unfortunately, philosophy or world religions classes aren't more widely offered in our high schools. I'm sure almost any of the schools that do offer a world religions or philosophy class do take a look at creationism. It's only unfortunate that not many schools do offer this.
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I dont believe the theory of evolution is true. We did not evolve from monkeys.
Since I don't believe it, and since it goes against my religious beliefs, I don't want my kid taught it in school.
You have a right for your kids not to be taught creationism, and I should have the right for my kid to not be taught evolution.
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In science class, let's teach Cutting-Edge Science,
such as:
- Molecules-to-man evolutionary theory violates the second law of thermodynamics by positing spontaneous increases in order through random interactions of matter.
- Matter from explosions does not condense to form objects like galaxies.
- Molecules-to-man evolutionism violates the Law of Biogenesis: Life does not come from non-life.
- The specific complexity of genetic information in the genome does not increase spontaneously. Therefore, there is no natural process whereby reptiles can turn into birds, land mammals into whales, or chimpanzees into human beings.
- All organisms are irreducibly complex. Therefore, in order for any kind of organism to exist, all of theessential parts of that organism must be fully functioning from the beginning of its existence.
Partial quote from:
Creation Doctrine
What Does Cutting-Edge Science Teach about Origins?
http://www.kolbecenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=...
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Not appropriate. Neither creationism nor intelligent design can be considered science. To teach them in public school science classrooms would be tantamount to teaching alchemy in chemistry classes or accepting speaking in tongues as a foreign language requirement alongside Spanish, French, German and Latin.
See here for more info...
http://mainereason.blogspot.com/2010/10/is-creation-science-science.html
http://mainereason.blogspot.com/2010/09/teaching-creationism-in-schools....
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Evolution is a theory just like creationism is. Evolution is not pure science because it cant be proven.
So what if creationism comes from a religious background? Evolution is supported by pagans, athiest, agnostics, ect and these are all also forms of religion.
Creationism goes against your beliefs, and evolution goes against mine. What makes your theory better than my theory?
Either teach creationism or don't teach evolution.
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The basic question is does creationism or one of its variants such as intelligent design have any place in the science classroom?
I would argue that it shouldn't be taught, but this is not a religious objection like you might expect. I object to it first and foremost because neither creationists nor the proponents of intelligent design can put forth anything which could be rightly considered a theory, at least not in the scientific sense.
The defining characteristics of a scientific theory are the following:
It makes falsifiable, testable predictions.
It is consistent with pre-existing theory.
It is supported by many strands of evidence, rather than a single foundation.
It is tentative, correctable and dynamic, allowing for changes as new facts are discovered.
Science examines data in the real world and then forms laws or short statements which describe what has been observed. Theories are structures of ideas, built upon these laws that explain and interpret facts.
For example, imagine you are sitting under an apple tree and witness several apples falling to the ground (sound familiar?). You might, if curious, make some more observations along with some measurements and jot down a few laws, along the lines of, an object (apple) when dropped, if not inhibited by an outside force, always falls toward the earth; secondly they fall at a constant rate of acceleration of 32.2'/sec/sec. We now have two laws which explain what happens. Neither of these laws explains the why, they are only descriptions of what we saw. When we later come up with a reason for what happened, i.e. that there is an invisible force exerted by each object on every other object based on the mass of the objects, we then have a theory, it explain why and makes predictions. For example, if our theory is true, it predicts that I will weigh more on Jupiter than I would on our moon. As you can see this prediction would not be obvious from the laws alone, and it is also easy to falsify my theory by simply taking a trip to Jupiter (ok, there is probably an easier way…), but the point is that a good theory is falsifiable and makes testable predictions.
Theories become accepted by a process of being peer-reviewed in journals, a process that can take months or years. By having other scientists examine the same data, doing experimentation, particularly experiments which will disprove or falsify the theory, and ultimately it gains acceptance by the majority of the scientific community. Given the grueling process that a new theory must go through in order to be validated it is extremely rare for a new theory to totally replace an existing and accepted one.
Creationism and Intelligent Design differ from real scientific theories in that:
They derive from doctrinal belief instead of data and then look for facts to support the premise.
They are not falsifiable. If God spoke, it must be true so any evidence which doesn’t fit the theory must be skewed or misinterpreted.
It makes no useful predictions. Saying “God did it” says nothing about what He might do the next time, it provides no useful information for learning more about the universe.
Neither theory has even attempted to be peer reviewed in scientific journals.
Biological evolution is a fact which is not disputed by any reputable scientist. The definition of biological evolution is, quite simply, "the occurrence of inheritable changes in the gene pool of a population over time". Facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty.
Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. Humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
Creationists and those who support Intelligent Design are doing nothing more than trying to advance religious dogma under the guise of scientific inquiry. They want to skip over the vetting process that gives theories their credibility and turn our high school classrooms into the new crucible of scientific truth. Their motives are plain to see, they have no evidence which can stand up to the rigor of peer review and they wish to gain a foothold in the lives of our children by teaching religious ideologies at the expense of good science.
Please, do not permit this to happen, keep ideologies in the philosophy, comparative religions or sociology classes, but not in the science classroom
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"What makes your theory better than my theory?"
Only one of the two is a theory, in the scientific meaning of the word. What you call a theory is a collection of beliefs, not a set of hypotheses that have been repeatedly tested and refined, leaving a best working explanation of some phenomenon. Science is not in the business of proving anything, so your claim that evolution is not science because it cannot be proven is meaningless. Science works more at disproving falsifiable hypotheses.
Your argument is essentially, teach what I believe because I don't understand the meaning of the word "theory".
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You have no right to tell me what I understand.
We were discussing creationism vs evolution and not my "understanding"
Why did you have to make this personal? I was enjoying the discussion, and I have some legitmate reponses to your statements, but your personal insult towards me leads me to just bow out before I get personal with you also.
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Remove the word 'understand' from my previous comment, then.
Words have meanings. Many of them have multiple meanings. Look in any dictionary and you'll find many words with dozens of meanings--some of them completely unrelated, others nuanced variations on a common theme.
If two people use the same term ("theory", for the sake of argument), but attribute different meanings to that term, they are not having a discussion, but talking past each other. Your comment does not seem to acknowledge that the word "theory" means something technical in science, and something different than the informal use of the word in many everyday contexts. I did not say that you do not understand that, but that you are arguing your point as if you do not understand that.
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Another irrelevant question like yesterday...Who came up with these chose of questions??
Where are the relevant touh questions? Why not ask your readers to submit their questions and chose the poignant tough questions that Augusta has not handled well in the past? Ask the candidates what ACTION they would have taken? No more HOT AIR and more germane questions ---WHERE IS THE BEEF???!!
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to Christians. There is constantly new legislation introduced in state legislatures regarding abortion. Such as partial birth abortion and government funding. Our governor will surely deal with this issue over the next few years, and I would like to have a governor that is interested in protecting our unborn citizens.
And, if they are going to teach evolution in Maine schools, then they need to present the possibility of creationism also.
I know most of you are not Christian so you don't care about these issues, just as I couldn't care less about a casino that will create more gambling addicts out of people who are are economically challenged, and whose families really need the money that they are wasting on their addiction.
But yes, these issues may be irrelevant to you, but they are very important to those of us that believe in the Lord.
It's funny to me that liberals demand that we respect Muslims, but dismiss Christians as kooks. Deny Jesus, and honor Mohammad....I don't get it.
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Then we citizens should be entitled to vote on the Religious Leaders responsible for the beliefs upon which our government officials are held to task on.
I'de be more than glad to vote on the various Bishops, Rabbis, Caliphs, Head-Snake Handlers, Etc.....
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The Bible dictates my religious beliefs, not any religious leader.
I listen to the sermons, but I go home home and study the text for myself and believe what the Bible tells me, not my pastor.
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Except for two things.
All members of the church are also potential voters. But all potential voters are not members of the church. So how would that be fair.
And then there's that pesky First Amendment in the Bill of Rights that would get in your way.
Hey do you think it's just a coincidence that "freedom of religion" and "freedom of speech" are both included in the same amendment?
I don't.
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Sinc Christians are a minority of the total population, there definitely could have been better choices made on topics. I also find it highly objectionable that more space is spent on the authors thoughts and interpretations than the combined total of the candidates. This rather defeats the purpose. This also goes back to my repeated request, yesterday and before I got too sick to post that the candidates post themselves giving us an opportunity to hear from them directly.
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You dismiss the importance of these discussions because Christians are a "minority".
In a true democracy your statement would be valid because the majority would rule over the minority. But we are a Republic, which means that the rights of the minority cannot be violated by the majority. A republic guarantees the minority a voice and a vote.
For you to deny Christians a fair voice in this election is unamerican. You are asking that Christians be denied their constitutional right to voice their beliefs.
What you said was just wrong and unamerican.
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What I said was, like many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and framers of the Constitution, a majority of Americans are not Christians and don't care what the governor's religious beliefs are when they have no relevence to the office. Creationism is not going to be taught in schools, it is not allowed under our Constitution, periood. Therefore, this article is a waste of print and not beneficial towards electing the candidate who will best serve in the office of governor of Maine doing the things a governor can and must do any more than yesterdays abortion subject was. These topics are meant to be disruptive and minipulative not productive.
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The 2008 census data shows 76% of adults in the United States identify themselves as Christian--not a minority under any definition.
(Source: Table 75 for 2010 at http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/statab2006_2010.html)
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Come on, choosing this topic for discussion? How trite. I have another, much more important, topic for discussion - Libby, who says she wants to be known as the "education governor" but who co sponsored the bill mandating schools to collect student social security numbers. That has far more potential harm to children than saying various religious beliefs could be taught in a philosophy class. But now Libby has done a complete about face and says she's against collecting SSNs. If we had a vote on who does the biggest flip flops Libby leads the pack with that one.
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Way to stoop, Nancy.....
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just trying to help voters focus on the *real* issues and to really think about who would best serve the interests of this state. It isn't Libby, the career politition who claims she will help make positive changes. What was she doing over the last decades, making negative changes? Matter of fact, YES she was. Too late, Libby, you had your chance. Time for a change.
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The purpose of collecting SSN's was to use them to track future employment of students as a means to assess how their education was used later in life for students. Names, etc change; SSN's do not. Did the taxpayers get their money worth?
Obviously you don't believe these findings are necessary - simply shovel money in and to hell with it. So now we know where you stand, Nancy.
Privacy CAN be maintained. It's done all the time. Perhaps it's your world that's incompetent.
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I am so sorry you lack the skills to debate without making rude and sniping remarks. Your responses say far more about you than about me.
In Maine, students are already assigned a unique identifying number. As you know, since I have already stated the following in a previous story in which you remarked, the Office of the Inspector General, Social Security Administration has recommended schools find a different way to identify and track students. Click on the link to read the report from July of this year
http://www.ssa.gov/oig/ADOBEPDF/A-08-10-11057.pdf
On the 4th page it states: "We believe the unnecessary collection of SSNs is a significant vulnerability for this young population. Recent data indicate the number of children under age 19 whose identities have been stolen is growing. (page 5) We question the need for States to collect SSNs, especially when States also assign a unique identification number to students in these databases".
I encourage all to read the report from the Social Security Administration, since it has come out in opposition to arbitrary collection of SSNs for many reasons.
Maine DOE and the sponsors of this bill were wrongheaded. And Veritas, I believe you are too, at least about this.
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Veritas, the findings would not be valid for making a determination as to "the taxpayers get their money worth." To look at future employment as the sole result of education received at taxpayer expense elliminates all other contributing factors such as years of remedial education then college and advanced training to achieve the level of employment recorded at some far distant date. A valid measure of whether taxpayers are getting their money's worth is rigorous continous standardized testing throughout the academic process and at the completion of the public school years. This testing measures performance of the education system and not what the individual does for themselves after leaving it.
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from Paul Liarpage...
"Paul LePage, 61, Republican
LePage's stance on creationism has generated the most controversy.
His position has become more ambiguous since he stated he would support a local school board adding creationism to its curriculum during a debate before the Republican primary."
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