Maine says not so fast to Forbes' 50th ranking

LEWISTON — When Forbes magazine ranked Maine the 50th best state for business, state officials contacted Forbes, got hold of some of the magazine's raw data and finished jogging numbers Wednesday.

How Maine ranks

State economist Michael LeVert analyzed figures from Moody's, which Forbes magazine used in part to rank the state dead last in business climate. LeVert's findings:

Annual change in Total Nonagricultural Employment

Maine's rank in the country: 25th (1996-2009)

Maine, projected: 38th (2010-2017)

Annual change in Gross Domestic Product

Maine: 40th (1996-2008)

Maine, projected: 40th (2009-2017)

Income: Median Household Growth, 1996-2008

Maine: 34th (1996-2008)

Maine, projected: 23rd (2009-2017)

Venture Capital Investments, as percent of GDP

Maine: 29th (1996-2009)

From the governor’s office and the state economist, there’s a collective bristling: It’s not possible, they say, that Maine is dead last.

Figures from Moody’s Analytics, which went into the Forbes’ ranking, show Maine 25th in employment growth, 29th in venture capital investment and 34th in median household income growth, according to state economist Michael LeVert.

“We’ve called Forbes to try to better understand their methodology and they haven’t responded to that,” said David Farmer, deputy chief of staff for Gov. John Baldacci.

“(The governor) sees that Forbes magazine thinks the quality of life is better in New Jersey than it is in Maine, or that Massachusetts, which raised its sales taxes 1.25 cents within the last year, has a better business environment and that really calls us to question the validity of this,” Farmer said.

“We’re not the worst business climate in the country,” he said. “It’s inconceivable.”

The annual rankings came out last week. Forbes lists 11 sources for its information but doesn’t elaborate on the weight given to each. In a half-dozen subrankings, the magazine named Maine 16th in quality of life, 26th in labor supply, 47th in business costs and 48th in regulatory environment.

Then, all told: 50th, ranked at the very bottom of the “Best States for Business and Careers.”

On Monday, Maine officials got on the phone to Forbes, and then to Moody’s.

“We looked at all (15) of the indicators that they supplied Forbes,” LeVert said. “I think the bottom line is that Maine compares favorably on some indicators. There are some we need to improve on, absolutely, but we’re not last on any measure of our economy.”

In one Moody’s rating, Maine is the third-costliest state for doing business, LeVert said, making him believe that measure was given particular weight. But that can’t explain it entirely: Massachusetts was highest in that same category — and still managed an overall 16th-best rank from Forbes.

LeVert said he discovered through Moody’s that Maine has little chance of controlling some of the magazine’s internal indicators: number of four-year universities; being headquarters to any of the 1,000 largest public companies; average temperature.

He also questioned whether the magazine had the most up-to-date tax figures for the state.

In 2009, Forbes ranked Maine 41st on the same list. It also rated Portland No. 1 among “America’s Most Livable Cities,” an honor based in part on income growth and unemployment.

“Then, in business climate, which looks at those same things, we’re 50th. It just doesn’t make sense,” Farmer said.

University of Southern Maine professor and former state economist Charlie Colgan said Rhode Island's rank above Maine demonstrated the risks of simplifying indicators and relying on almost any number while climbing out of a recession.

Rhode Island’s unemployment rate had hit about 13 percent; Maine’s, 8.5 percent.

“In Forbes’ index, Rhode Island gets greater points for economic vibrancy, when in fact that vibrancy is nothing more than recovering from an even deeper recession than Maine endured,” Colgan said.

The state does have issues with health care and energy costs, and not enough young residents, real problems in the future that need to be addressed, he said.

Matt Jacobson, president and CEO of Maine & Company, in the business-attraction business, said none of the numbers surprised him.

“The problem is these C-level executives (CEOs, COOs and CFOs) read Forbes,” Jacobson said. “I don’t care if the most respected think tank on the planet puts out a different rebuttal, now we’re on the bad list. Trying to overcome that and getting to potential executives who are getting ready to relocate, when they already have this impression of Maine because Forbes said so, is a real problem for us.”

He’d like to see a speedier regulatory process with more cities and towns giving as much thought to businesses they want as to businesses they don’t — with officials deciding before an offer is on the table what they’d be willing to do for the right company. Moves like that would help the climate, Jacobson said.

As for how long the ranking could dog Maine: “How long does Forbes last in the doctor’s office?” he said.

kskelton@sunjournal.com

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photomatt's picture

well

This could be good for Maine if it forces changes. I just moved back home to Maine from NY and I can say without a shadow of a doubt the ONLY place I could run my business is Portland. Other than that, fuggedaboutit in Maine. It's not economically viable in ANY way. I almost went another direction before moving back here simply for the economics and regulation of doing business in Maine. So while this ranking may stink, I'd rather be dead last and get working on it than be 41st and sit on it again.

mema's picture

Reality Check

Forbes publishes what most Maine business owners already know, it's tough to be in business in Maine. The climate and regulation are horrendous for doing business, no wonder youngsters leave in droves. Wake up Augusta.

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Nancy1's picture

Mississippi

Mississippi is 48th but they have the highest rate of teen pregnancy, doesn't that count for anything? Although hmmm that means more federal dollars via welfare, so dems probably don't want to put that fact in the minus column.

jmyoung's picture
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Why does this surprise

Why does this surprise Augusta? Worker's Comp officials getting into fistfights at symposiums. Meanwhile rates soar. Health Insurance skyrockets. General Liability Ins for business soars. Banks "pile on" new business that may compete with their "old clients." Income tax and worker's comp rates create extreme downward pressure on hiring new employees. And it keeps wages LOW. Hey but we got a buncha new malls! All retail, wow big time employers, just low low wages. Always has been. Uneven and irregular fees, rules, and licensing. It is a total guess, in terms of budgeting and pricing what will happen year to year. Now we face O Bama Care, which is a brilliantly designed excercise in cognizant dissonance. How do you budget for that! If the admin has already forgiven union shops to complying with Obama care, it becomes a cost shift to everyone else. Just like Maine Care. Typical new MaineCare recipient, "Hey, if we go on MaineCare we can afford the $900.00 a month for two new Harleys....cool. Except, I end up paying for the Harleys. Most property owners do.
The state brags about surplus, after they push their costs onto the towns and cities. Property taxes GO UP. It ain't over, reality is.....Maine is facing a billion dollar S-T-R-U-C-T-R-A-L deficit. Not current money we owe, bonds, loans, stiffing the teachers or the hospitals etc.... structural means day to day operations. If you PUSH the liabilities, energy costs, and employment costs down, new business may take a second look, and business already here will flourish. But, it's math, amongst other things, you have second and third tier management in the State beaurocracies (sp) making six figure incomes? Funny no -one talks about that. Politicians come and go, its the entrenched beaurocrats that have to be shown the DOOR.

007's picture

Confusous

Confusous say that......" man who keep sticking head up butt eventually go bald(acci)" Mr Farmer says that "we cannot be in last place" "it is inconceivable" because Massachusetts raised there sales tax 1.25%. Wow that is really something to hang your hat on to justify why we can't possibly be #50. The people in Augusta really don't get it!!

Publikwerks's picture

75% of the time 25% of studies ar BS

It's an election year, of course this whole thing is BS. Is Maine business friendly? No.
Is the timing of this really convenient to business interests, bolstering the LePage campaign? Yes.

Are Democrats only responding to this because it's an election year? Partially yes. I think if your dead last, you have to make a token response. But the fact that it's an election year is definitely coming into play.

cut taxes

we have to cut taxes to business' that hire people in maine.

DR's picture

David Farmer needs to spend

David Farmer needs to spend half a day looking up other states' tax schedules. It's comforting to keep your head stuck in the sand but Maine is not attractive for business. First, who wants to move their company here when the managers and employees will be taxed to death, and have few choices of areas with good schools? It's also known as the most aged state, with young people leaving the state to get education and better paying jobs elsewhere. Maine's income taxes are WAY higher than all the other states in the northeast and central eastern states. In fact, they're among the highest in the nation. That's a fact. Look it up. BTW Mr. Farmer, while MA raised their sales tax, they don't tax food and most clothing, plus their property taxes are lower overall. My RE and excise taxes are sky-high compared to business associates in MA.

Publikwerks's picture

Taxes are only a piece of the puzzle

I agree that Maine has high taxes. But so does Massachusetts. So while taxes are an issue, I don't know if I would say that it's the biggest.

I think a bigger issue is workforce. Massachusetts has alot of the high tech and relatively lucrative jobs because they are a mecca of education. 33% of people in Mass have a batchelor's degree or higher. In Maine in 22%, while the national average is 24%. We don't have the skilled workforce needed for the good paying jobs. And as we have seen, unskilled jobs can just as easily be moved to China or India.

So unless your going to break the bank to get a company in here(like southern states have done to attract manufacturing jobs), we need to make our workforce leaner and smarter.

candiceanne's picture

This is the State of NO!

You can't say no to every business opportunity, put moratoriums in place and set up new rules that are the equivalent of a moratorium every time a business wants to come to town either. Just take a look at a few of the most recent examples where a lot of money has been flushed just trying to get through the door to bring a business or project to Maine, Plum Creek, wind power, casinos, Jackson Labs, Gas Plant, and those are just the most recent, there are a lot more. How many companies do you think are going to take the chance and spend that kind of money before the word is out, you are wasting your money and your time even considering Maine, well it is now out. Maine is bad to business before the business even gets her. Maine is now 50th. Like they said, this is the state of NO!

candiceanne's picture

This is the State of NO!

You can't say no to every business opportunity, put moratoriums in place and set up new rules that are the equivalent of a moratorium every time a business wants to come to town either. Just take a look at a few of the most recent examples where a lot of money has been flushed just trying to get through the door to bring a business or project to Maine, Plum Creek, wind power, casinos, Jackson Labs, Gas Plant, and those are just the most recent, there are a lot more. How many companies do you think are going to take the chance and spend that kind of money before the word is out, you are wasting your money and your time even considering Maine, well it is now out. Maine is bad to business before the business even gets her. Maine is now 50th. Like they said, this is the state of NO!

moodman663's picture

yeah

all right Johnny B, and Libby want to bee , now that we have arrived getting this monkey off our backs will be the best show in the northeast . New Hampshire is 15th I think the low numbers are the winners here......not the highest

Ben Dare's picture

So it was okay to be ranked

So it was okay to be ranked 41st a year ago but suddenly its an issue because we're dead last....maybe if the democratic fools in Augusta had been paying attention sooner they be less worried about what they will do for work after November 2nd!

007's picture

It's TRUE!

Get your heads out of your ass and stop the denial. As a former business owner of a failed business I know first hand about this situation.....Maine SUCKS as a place do flourish in business. Would I live in New Jersey? NO f"n WAY!!! But I would open a business there. With local and state government taxes,workers comp,unemployment insurance,excise tax on the products I sold,state regulations relating to my business, cost of utilities to run my business,the harsh winters,the short summers and the unwillingness or inabilty (financially) for my customers to pay a premium price for a premium product, Maine is the worst!!

Xavier90's picture
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Not so fast is right!

I see this Forbes list as just another pile of you know what, put together by half assed journalists looking to write a big headline.
You know the old saying, figures lie and liars figure? That's what this is all about. You can tweek and pull and prod these "stats' all you want but it means nothing!
Like the tax numbers, remember a few years ago, Maine was listed as the most taxed state in the country? Now we're middle of the pack, and second lowest in the northeast. Why? Because they fixed the way they figure it. They now factor out the millions of property tax dollars paid by out of state land owners, and sales taxes paid by tourists!
How about that cost of electricity? Just a week ago a new study showed that Maine had the lowest electricity cost of any northeast state except Pennsylvania! the numbers that showed we were so high, were from a decade ago!

fixit001's picture

that was THE COST OF

that was THE COST OF ELECTRICITY NOT DELIVERY when added it's a whole differant ball !!!!

sandra2's picture

Typical bureaucrats. Argue

Typical bureaucrats. Argue the details when they should be fixing the problem. Why waste time trying to prove we are 49th instead of 50th when we could be spending time getting us into the 20's?

Useless bums.

rdarluv's picture
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Imagine that! Democrats with

Imagine that! Democrats with blinders on!?? Maine has been in the bottom 10 on that list for years and never complained before. We've had PLENTY of warning! It was only a matter of time before we were handed the 50th slot! How about if those "experts" in Augusta drive around and speak with the people of Maine for some input on this report?? I consider myself somewhat "successful" but even I am taking heat from out of state corporate (New Jersey) for not being "successful enough". I see the numbers in my business and if I rated my opportunities on a curve, I come in last too!

Brain's picture

!!! Bombshell !!!

Forbes did not verify their story with the Lewiston Sun & Journal.
The "Lisbon Street - Special Projects" edition of the S&J was ignored by Forbes.

Newsweek magazine recently commented on this Forbes omission - "The Somali business community could have saved Lewiston and Maine from last place".

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