Believe God's word

In a recent debate a statement was made that, “There’s no scientific evidence to support creationism.” But science does support creationism, at least to open-minded created beings who know that we’re accountable to a supreme being.

Personally, I don’t think that coming from monkey-boy is anything to brag about.

Evolutionists hold that the earth is very old, and that each strata of rock represents a slice of time that, when taken together, represents millions of years. How then, can polystrate fossils, such as petrified trees of a particular age, be found standing vertically through two or three layers of rock that are supposedly millions of years apart in age? Maybe from a global flood which, besides in the Bible, is a story told by more than 500 cultures worldwide? Did the resulting worldwide layers of silt and mud petrify very rapidly?

What about the abundance of fossils of dinosaur footprints interwoven with human footprints? Can rock reconstitute back into mud for Alley Oop to trudge through millions of years later, and then re-petrify with the original dinosaur footprints perfectly preserved?

Conversely, how long do evolutionists think science takes to catch up with God’s Word?

A baby’s level of prothrombin, used in the production of vitamin K, a clotting factor, peaks at the eighth day of life. Yet God told Abraham, “He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generation ... (Genesis 17:12) thousands of years ago.

Just three examples. 'Nuff said.

David T. Theriault, Rumford

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mbthedragon's picture

Hum, lets see, a Snake talks

Hum, lets see, a Snake talks to a naked woman in a garden. A man walks across water, performs other magical acts and then Like Haitian Voodoo, a zombie rises from the dead giving eternal life to all. Makes perfect sense folks.

hzcummi's picture

Believe the Correct Rendition of God's Word

Yes, "Believe in God's Word", but also stop misrepresenting the text, as the "young Earth" and "old Earth" creationists do, and learn the truth. Stop trying to defend creationism, and start accepting the truth of Genesis. Have your assembly or school facility host the PowerPoint presentation of the "Observations of Moses". It explains the first chapter of Genesis (what Moses saw and heard", and reconciles correct literal interpretation with the reality of scientific data.

Herman Cummings
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WideStanceRepublican's picture

holy $hit

to think that someone this stupid actually walks the streets of our state should scare the crap out of everyone. Obviously the result of failed home schooling program.

jmyoung's picture
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Darwin created a theory of

Darwin created a theory of evolution which now has a basis in DNA. Which stood the world on its ear. The evolutionary biologists now push this back into eons of time and define this as ultimate causation and a fact. Non Christian scientists have blown holes through it, (along with mathemeticians) stating that the evolutionists, based on DNA, disprove their own theory. DNA would need an infinite amount of time to "evolve" to it's current complexity even in very very simple organisms. But, based on what we know currently about DNA. The exciting thing is, the FACT of evolution is being challenged, as was Einsteins relativity. DNA is DNA. But the ultimate causation is the where things get squirrelly.
Ok Ok I was a little cynical about Dino steaks. But the fact is that, although not dominant, dinosaurs exist on the earth today. Crocodiles, alligators, Ceolecanths (sp) come to mind. Why wouldn't they co-exist within humanity's occupation of this place? Could scientists method of dating be wrong?
Those Christians who have co-opted this devolving ( I love that word) of evolution to create justification would do well to read 2 Peter and his discussion of false teaching. Not pretty. I am thankfull that God gave me the gifts to sit through lectures and study these concepts first hand, and thankful that God placed them there to stimulate the curiosity that is also a gift. I didn't mean to insult either party, because DNA and it's understanding is usefull and practical, Christianity provides the very existence and philosophy of our nation, pride, spirit. But to claim ultimate causation for either based on theory is just wrong. "evidence of the Deity, manifests itself in my constant state of wonder" - Albert Einstein.
The truly scientific posts here, "speciation", " babble" , are evidence of typical post modernist thinking. Use a BIG word to establish territory and make assertions that are fact without basis, then denigrate, minimize all opinion or statements that may differ with what you may consider fact. I once posted here that academia is the last bastion of perpetual adolesence, I guess it's proven.
I find that most people don't enjoy the wonder, they just establish what they want to believe, slap a coat of concrete on it, and defend themselves, evidence to contrary.

Without Basis?

Observed speciation events...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

And if you actually watched the transitional fossil video I provided before you would have seen plenty of evidence, even by creationist's own standards!

http://mainereason.blogspot.com/2010/10/plethora-of-transitional-fossils...

Once again, biological evolution DOES NOT, let me repeat that, DOES NOT say anything about the original cause of the universe of the origin of life, so please STOP SAYING THAT IT DOES.

Here is an indexed list of refutations for the "proofs" put forth by creationists.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

Really, you think "babble" and "speciation" are big words? You definitely need to improve your vocabulary, especially if you are going to talk about biology. For you benefit, I doubt anyone else needs it, "speciation" is the branching of one species into a new species and if you don't know the word "babble", well, that's just sad.

Publikwerks's picture

I think I'm a creationist at heart

Why?

Cause I think God designed life to evolve. Maybe that is intelligent design. However, I know you can't teach it that way. You can't teach that God designed life to evolve.

T's picture

(In as few words as possible)

(In as few words as possible) BINGO!

PUBLIKWERKS's picture

Here's something to think

Here's something to think about if you believe the bible story.

First off, he created the night and day before he created the sun. Seems silly, but you know, whatever.

Up to day 4, he's very Earth centric. Land, water, sky, plants. But on day 4, he created the Sun, Moon and STARS. In ONE DAY, he created the rest of the universe. Seems silly that he would focus days 1-3 and 5-6 on Earth, but for giggles, he makes the rest of the universe on day 4.

The Bible reflects ancient man's attempt at trying to understand the world around him. Ergo, it shouldn't be looked at literally. It was WAAAAY ahead of it's time, but now trying to rely on it as the literal history is just sin. God gave us minds to think with and be rational. To not use this gift and just blindly accept what is written in a book that is over 2000 years old is insulting. God made you better than that.

Madeleine's picture

Let there be light!~

1.The “light” of Genesis 1:3 obviously radiated from a “fixed” source, in its relationship to the earth, inasmuch as it facilitated the dark-to-light arrangement, as the primitive orb rotated upon its axis.
2.This initial “light” was temporary, for the sun was assigned the function of the “greater light” on the fourth day.
There is nothing at all strange about the reality of light existing independent of the heavenly bodies. It is a well-established fact, illustrated in multiple ways, that “light” certainly is not restricted to the sun and the other luminaries of our universe. Just consider that phenomenon known as “lightning,” or ask the friendly “firefly” about the matter.

Publikwerks's picture

"1.The “light” of Genesis 1:3

"1.The “light” of Genesis 1:3 obviously radiated from a “fixed” source, in its relationship to the earth, inasmuch as it facilitated the dark-to-light arrangement, as the primitive orb rotated upon its axis."

What primitive orb? When did God create the primitive Earth. Unless you make that part of day 2, since he created the sky in day 2, and by default anything not under water would be the sky(he didn't gather the waters/define land untill day three). That way, you can also avoid have the temporary sun.

It still doesn't answer why did he spend a whole day mucking about with fish and birds, and then spend a day to create the rest of the Universe.

Madeleine's picture

prim·i·tive adj. 1. Not

prim·i·tive adj.
1. Not derived from something else; primary or basic.
2.
a. Of or relating to an earliest or original stage or state; primeval.
b. Being little evolved from an early ancestral type

The word "Orb", from the Latin orbis 'circle', is another name for a round object, especially a disk or a sphere.

It is interesting to reflect upon the fact that the science of archaeology has thrown some “light” on this issue as well.

1.The ancient Babylonian creation record, known as Enuma Elish — copies of which were discovered as a part of the library of Ashurbanipal (c. 668-626 B.C.) — dates back, it is believed, to perhaps 1800 B.C. In this narrative there are some striking similarities to the Genesis account (though the latter is the original, while the former is a degraded descendant). Significant, in view of this present study, is the fact that in the Babylonian record, “light” existed before the creation of the lightbearers (see Charles Pfeiffer, The Biblical World, Grand Rapids: Baker, 1966, pp. 224ff). Again, let us emphasize that though Enuma Elish is highly mythological, it obviously retains a remnant of truth inherited from the sacred record.
2.It is also worthy of mention that the discoveries at ancient Ebla, in Northern Syria (excavated from 1964 onward), contain a creation account. In this narrative it is stated, regarding the “Lord of heaven and earth,” that: “The light of day was not; you created it”

And where did you come up with a temporary sun?

"It still doesn't answer why did he spend a whole day mucking about with fish and birds, and then spend a day to create the rest of the Universe?"

You'll have to ask Him? I believe He can do whatever He chooses, whenever He chooses, however He chooses. He also causes science to reveal what He chooses, when He chooses and how He chooses. As intelligent as some me believe they are, the greatest minds in the world knew that their intelligence was a mere grain of sand...they knew there was something or someone much greater than they.
Perhaps you should have a chat with the friendly firefly. :)

Mac antSaior's picture
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Another thing to think

Another thing to think of:
God in Christian mythology is viewed as the "heavenly" prototype father; the perfect father that should be reflected here on earth.
God, created Lucifer. Lucifer supposedly went astray; inciting revolutin in heaven. God, who has the power to destroy Lucifer, casts him and his fellow rebels to earth.
God, now creates his masterpiece, mankind; placing him on earth.
So, isn't that like me bringing home a pit bull that turns rabid, and instead of putting him down, I lock him in the nursery and wish the kids luck from behind the closed door? More like an abusive stepfather if you ask me.
Of course, it's all a put on anyway, as the Jews didn't believe in the devil or hell. The Christians invented it all as a control device of the faithful.

fatandhappy's picture

Mac I agree you alot on polital stuff you post

But on this, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Mac antSaior's picture
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A bit too much, happy.... I'm

A bit too much, happy.... I'm a former seminary candidate who walked away from it all. Several years teaching and preaching and I kind of learned my way out of organized religion. I've spent the last several years as a happy Pagan and would never go back.

Madeleine's picture

Lucifer had free will, as we

Lucifer had free will, as we do...nothing mythical about it. Stop blaming God for the evil in the world, evil is the absence of God. The more people push Him out of their lives...the more evil the world becomes. Yet we can overcome the world through the strength of Jesus...it's our choice. Your step father theory is far from the truth also. Blame the choices of people for the evil in the world. Personnal Accountability!God does not put the pitbull down, neither did he afford the pitbull to be abused so that he might bite people. Stop blaming God. We make our own choices.

Mac antSaior's picture
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Precisely, Lucifer had free

Precisely, Lucifer had free will according to the legend. Also, according to Revelation, God will eventually smite him. If God knows everything from beginning to end, he knew his Lucifer would rebel, be sent to earth to torment and destroy, and then be put down anyway. He also knew that he was throwing this ravenous angel into the midst of his beloved creation. While it is possible to assert that the whole show was planned out from start to finnish in order for a lonely god to show his love for his creation: Create Lucifer, let him run amuck, sacrifice your son, return to smite...still it smacks of "Giant kid with an ant farm and a magnifying glass". I did not say that God abused the pit bull, but rather that he had no qualms of putting it in the nursery with humankind with the full knowledge of what he will do. You can cry personal accountability all day long but if I put a pedophile sociopath in an elementary school and locked the doors, you would have a far different opinion of me than that of your god. It all started with your god's decision. Take that if you want origional sin.

jmyoung's picture
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The argument, and rightly so,

The argument, and rightly so, is between micro and macro evolutionary theory. The evolutionary biologists make the same leaps without evidence as this letter does. Which is proof to me that both are religions. For christians to rename the argument to justify themselves is heresy, for biologists to claim this as absolute fact closes the door for discussion and is unconscionable. Both are extreme, narrow and wrong.
Incidentally, I have some great dino steaks in my freezer if anyone is interested. Lil? Mark? which ever one you are today.

Micro v Macro

Actually, once again, we have many witnessed examples of speciation taking place, but of course the creationist's simply ignore them and go on with more babbling.

fatandhappy's picture

Something to think about, life is too complex to just happen

According to the Bible, God created the first man and woman as adults. Why? Because babies can't take care of themselves. So God intentionally created man in a mature state so that he could survive.

What about the Earth? If God had created the Earth in a "new" state then there would be nothing but seeds and eggs, no vegetation, nothing. Man could not survive on a "new" Earth. So maybe God created the Earth in an "old, mature state" so that it could survive, just like he did man.

As far as the comments about men "talking to a bush" and "living in a whale". Don't you think that if God could create the Earth and the miracle of life, that doing a few miracles like these would be a peice of cake? You have to believe in the fundmental concept of God before you can accept or believe in the miracles He has done.

Finally, science does confirm intelligent design. Just look at how complex our bodies are and how they function. Just look at the eco system of the Earth, and all the plants and animals make up this huge complex world that we live in, each depending on the others for survival. These things could not have happened randomly, they are much too complex. Life could not have started on it's own.

There is also a theory called the "Gap Theory" that was made popular well over a hundred years ago and supported by such Bible scholars as Schofield. This theory states that there is a "gap" in time between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. They believe there was another civilization on Earth before our own and that it was also destroyed by a world wide flood, thus killing the dinosours, ect. And that God "restored" the Earth in Gen, and didnt actually create it then. I don't especially believe this is true from the study I have done, but who knows?

There are some things we won't know until we finally face God. And we will all face Him. Not believing in Him won't stop you from answering to Him. I say this all the time....Just because you don't believe in God doesn't make Him go away. He exists whether you believe it or not.

Pirate's picture
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Excellently stated,

Excellently stated, fatnhappy. Good job

Publikwerks's picture

The first hole in your

The first hole in your argument is you assume everything just happened.
First, simple bacteria living on simple chemicals came to be.
Then more complex bacteria
Then plants
Then fish
Then amphibians
Then land animals

Each evolutionary step builds on the previous.

And as for my comments about burning bushes and living in a whale, I used them to illustrate that the bible is meant to be a figurative guide. I'm not saying God couldn't use these methods. I'm saying he wouldn't, and that ancient man just didn't understand nature enough to figure out how it works. The descriptions of how the Earth works or that a man could live in a whale for days we know to be wrong. But if you get caught up on these things, you lose the important stuff, like loving each other and not judging each other.

And as for how complicated our bodies are, or life is, let me ask you this: I want you to think about social networks. Think of all the friends you know, and all the friends they know. If you connect all the dots, you probably could connect yourself to ANYONE on the planet within 20-30 jumps. Complex systems form naturally over time.

fatandhappy's picture

Evolution is just as much of a theory

as creationism is.

The only difference is that I have a 'belief' for believing in creationism. And all you have is a "disbelief" in God for believing what you do.

You prove to me that evolution is a solid reality and maybe I will listen to you.

Right now, you just have a theory based on guesses projected by atheists, and I have a theory based on the Word of God.

I think I'll go with mine

jeffyd's picture
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Ever hear of mrsa?

Its a strain of staff infection that has evolved to be resistant to common anti boitics.

Pirate's picture
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Oh, geewhizzz; I thought it

Oh, geewhizzz; I thought it was a college in Vermont.

Ben Dare's picture

But...

Science cannot disprove creationism either, thus it is a viable discussion...

Disprove?

You are incorrect. Science does not disprove the existence of anything, that's not how science works. Lack of ability to disprove does NOT make something a legitimate scientific en devour. Science can't PROVE that there isn't a green and pink fluorescent goose flying through the universe that doesn't need air to breath, but that doesn't mean it is a viable discussion point in a science classroom.

Evidence

Please,

You obviously know very little if anything about biological evolution. The creationist "arguments" have all been refuted over and over again. I would suggest that you do some digging...and not in the creationism graveyard either.

Transitional fossils:
http://mainereason.blogspot.com/2010/10/plethora-of-transitional-fossils...

Common Descent:
http://mainereason.blogspot.com/2010/10/did-someone-say-evidence.html

Is Creationism Science:
http://mainereason.blogspot.com/2010/10/is-creation-science-science.html

Rebuttals to Creationism:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/index.html

Abiogenesis:
http://mainereason.blogspot.com/2010/10/abiogenesis-how-it-all-could-hav...

Let us know when you are up to speed, till then maybe you should refrain from speaking about things until you can do so intelligently.

dj_inda_am's picture

HAHAHAHAHA!

Theriault, that's the funniest joke I've heard all year.

Frostproof's picture
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I'll keep my opinion of the letter to myself.

But I must say that it is very hard to believe in Intelligent Design given the contradictory evidence presented my most commenters here.

Pirate's picture
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That's because they're all

That's because they're all darwinists, frosty.

jeffyd's picture
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I never understood

How something thatvhas been edited, rewritten, incorrectly translated, and then mass produced by machienery could somehow be the true word of god?

cranky yankee's picture

What???????? How about citing

What???????? How about citing the sources of your geological talking points. Most can be refuted, but you've taken a few basic facts and presented them in such a convoluted manner as to make them unintelligible. Bottom line, most creationists believe the world to be no more than 5000 years old while there is clear, incontrovertible evidence showing that the earth is many millions of years old (supported even in your own arguements).

CynicalCitizen's picture

Sorry, cranky, need to disagree

most creationists believe the world to be about 6000 years old, following variations on the Bishop of Ussher's 17th century work which placed creation in October of 4004 BC. That's a whole 20% older than you give them credit for!

cranky yankee's picture

Mea Culpa. I was just using

Mea Culpa. I was just using the figure that I had received in a discussion with a group of friends or mine who consider themselves to be creationists.

Even crankier now!

dj_inda_am's picture

Cranky, you're wasting

your time making articulate, lucid arguments about why these people are wrong. It is sometimes possible to convince rational people with an opinion different from yours to change their mind based on reason and logic. It's not possible to convince ignorant people that they are ignorant. You just have to laugh at them.

lil's picture

I knew it!

"dinosaur footprints interwoven with human footprints" Jesus DID have a pet dinosaur!

Mac antSaior's picture
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There are creation stories

There are creation stories far older than yours. Are we to shuffle them aside because you think you have the "Truth"? No, you're just another loony on the pile, here for our amusement. Thanks for the early chuckle.

gdls1's picture

Personally, I tend to trust

Personally, I tend to trust in scientific evidence rather than in biblical fantasies.

publikwerks's picture

Steve, the problem is that

Steve, the problem is that creationists wrap their arguments in the jargon of science without the methodology. Like the examples he wrote about. I need some more specific information, like where this supposed evolution busters happened. With the info supplied, all that I can say is "nu uh".

And the reason most logical people reject the creationist model is that it's based on the bible, which has people talking to burning shrubbery, people living in whales, and all sorts of other nonsense.

T's picture

Theriault? Rumford? 'Nuff

Theriault? Rumford?

'Nuff said

Steve Bulger formerly mainexile's picture
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Ambiguous

Your reply to Mr. Theriault's letter either dismisses his viewpoint or wholeheartedly supports it; it's difficult to discern. Perhaps if you'd try adding a bit of dialogue, people would know which side of the debate you endorse. But then, when I look at the history of comments in your profile, I see that you respond in a similar way to most letters on which you comment. So, I really shouldn't be surprised.

xyz's picture

That's right David but yournot the slayer of Golith are you???

"Nuff said." Now you know why people laugh at Creationists, it's because of statements like yours. ROFL.... Watch this if you dare.
I will warn you it is 5 hours or so of video, but broken up into 32 parts, that utterly rips Creationism to shreds, but don't tell Paul Liarpage about it. Remember he thinks this nonsense should be taught in schools.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/why-do-people-laugh-at-creationists/

Pirate's picture
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Who put the video together?

Who put the video together? No, wait, let me guess......Al Gore or Michael Moore. BTW---That's Governor Le Page, to you, X-Z.

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