Mosque may have outgrown Bartlett location

We hope Lewiston city staff can help Bartlett Street neighbors work out their escalating parking issues.

In the end, however, the city may have to admit that this is not a good location for anything that draws a crowd, including a mosque.

In a two-hour gripe session at Tuesday night's council meeting, property owner and former City Councilor Denis Theriault complained that mosque worshipers regularly park on his property, taking spaces away from his neighbors.

The mosque opened last year under a conditional-use permit that expires in February 2011.

The city approved the mosque's use of the building at 256 Bartlett St. and required the property owner to provide 17 parking spaces nearby and limit occupancy to 98 people.

The city expected that most of the people attending the mosque would walk, but it apparently hasn't worked out that way.

Theriault says cars block his driveway and he has been threatened by mosque members.

In fact, Theriault told the council that he has a permit to carry a gun and that he is prepared to use it if he is threatened.

Once, he said, he opened his jacket during an argument and put his hand on his weapon when he felt threatened.

And that's a definite signal that police need to be actively involved in diffusing the situation. Illegally parked cars should, of course, be towed as quickly as possible, and the belligerents on both sides must be warned to cool off.

Theriault, meanwhile, should be warned to leave his gun out of the equation.

Several weeks ago a Biddeford man went on trial for shooting two men to death outside his home in a very similar situation involving a neighborhood dispute. Rory Holland was convicted Nov. 3 of murder.

Theriault should walk away from such conflicts and call the police.

Better Business Bureau

under fire for its ethics

If you have a notion that the scandals of recent years have led to more ethical business practices, consider this:

The Better Business Bureau, one of the country's best-known consumer watchdog groups, is accused of running its own pay-to-play scam, assigning "A-plus" ratings to merchants who pay membership fees and using "F" ratings to punish those who do not.

"Right now, this rating system is really unworthy of consumer trust or confidence," Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal told ABC News.

The network recorded two small-business owners in Los Angeles being told by Better Business Bureau telemarketers that their C grades would become A-plus grades if they bought a $395 membership.

ABC also revealed that the head of the LA Better Business Bureau was paid more than $400,000 per year.

Celebrity Chef Wolfgang Puck told ABC News that his restaurants often receive F ratings because he refuses to join the BBB.

In another case, a blogger was awarded an A-minus rating for a sushi restaurant that did not exist.

Clearly, the BBB needs to review its mission statement: "to promote and foster the highest ethical" standards.

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ojhuig's picture

I call bull**** on Theriault

This would have been solve in the first week if he had called a tow truck. He wants to pick a fight. He's done everything but the one thing you are supposed to do when someone parks on your property. I am appalled that you gave him an hour of City Council time and then sat by while he took TWO!

RReady15's picture

I hereby suggest that Mr.

I hereby suggest that Mr. Theriault and Mr. Berry simultaneously open 24 hour pulled pork sandwich shops on their respective properties. They should sell at-cost pork products and keep those grills frying pig flesh around the clock, all week. Buy one, get one free during Ramadan.

No violence, no towed cars, no dog crap(looking at you brain) and no "brandishing weapons".

veritas's picture
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In Hoc Signo Vinces

"In this Sign You Shall Conquor"

Pirate's picture
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The parrot sez it looks like

The parrot sez it looks like the Fryeburg Fair on a Saturday night.

davina's picture

Politically correct=biased

Amazing how "politically correct" this "article" is. It seems to me that "politically correct" has become biased against anything that supports common American people. You add a "minority" to the equation and anyone else is automatically wrong in every situation.

I'm tired of this. Handle things diplomatically and equally if you want "equality" so bad! If the roles were reversed, police would be on the case immediately and Mr. Theriault would be in jail. So that leads to my next question... how many of L/As officials pockets are thickly lined with government money for having the Somalians here? Must be a lot, because they are clearly the only people you are "serving."

PoliticallyCorrect's picture

Guaranteed to Vanish on Monday

davina- while 100% accurate, your post is 100% guaranteed to vanish as soon as peaves comes in to work on Monday. Truth is not a valued commodity with SJ.

Frostproof's picture
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Overturn what?

Up above somewhere, one of the usual pests moaned about overturning the Constitution if there are any restrictions placed on Muslims. Here's all it says about religion: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ... It's that second clause that has proven so tricky. The courts have been reasonably consistent, at least for the last 20 years, that governments, not just the feds, can restrict the exercise of religion, as long as the restrictions apply equally to all religions. I haven't seen any recent stories about belligerent Christian parkers, so I have to believe that this is another instance of Islam being more equal than other religions.

veritas's picture
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You had to 'Leave the Scene" of the comment to whine

all the way down here..... That normally insn't your style, Frostie....

Who 'Moaned?' I merely took note; then observed what 'overthrowing' is.

You are, indeed, a 'Revisionist' - one caught red-handed.........

LewistonNative...'s picture

Actually there are some, few,

Actually there are some, few, but some. Also, the mosque is used for Muslims, so I am positive that there are not only Somalis using the mosque.

Pirate's picture
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Are you perhaps referring to

Are you perhaps referring to the Togolese? I understand many of them are Christians.

BenHarrison's picture

The worst Part of this whole

The worst Part of this whole situation is now it is going to be the City of Lewiston problem to come up with an "accommodation" to either provide or contract parking at this current "Mosque" or provide them with an alternative sit whit acceptable parking provisions! I however do not believe it is the city's responsibility to provide a place of worship to any group!! But watch they will!!!

LewistonNative...'s picture

I know Somalis that don't go

I know Somalis that don't go to this Mosque and still do their praying and what not. Also, just because they are Somalis doesn't automatically mean that they are Muslims, believe it or not there are a lot of Christians in Africa as well. Regardless there are ways to prevent this, set up multiple times to go and worship, so not everyone is going there at once. Like you said get a larger building and or buy land to build one, but there STILL could be a problem of parking even if they did those 2 options. Fact of the matter is the wrong-doers (Somalis and Americans alike) should respect others property and when asked not to park there, DO NOT PARK THERE! That simple really.

armymom's picture

Again, a demonstration of

Again, a demonstration of lack of understanding of the muslim religion which is fine. They have set hours of prayer when they must also be facing east towards Mecca to pray 7 times a day. There service times are preordained

fatandhappy's picture

Do you know of any Somalis

Do you know of any Somalis that are Christian living here in Lewiston?

I don't

Nancy1's picture

MPBN did a story back in

MPBN did a story back in January that stated there are 5,000 Somalis in the Lewiston area.
http://www.mpbn.net/News/MaineNews/tabid/181/ctl/ViewItem/mid/3475/ItemI...
How many places of worship do they have? If the answer is 1, and it has limited space and parking, then members should be (and probably are) thinking about either buying land to build or buying a building large enough and with enough parking area to accomodate their members. Seems like there are always new places of worship being built, maybe the congregations who have been successful could reach out to the Somali community with insight on how to achieve that goal.

Pirate's picture
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There's a couple of Catholic

There's a couple of Catholic churches downtown that could be converted to mosques. But I guess that wouldn't be cool, huh?

fatandhappy's picture

Somalians worship a false god

Well Nancy, here is the problem.

No God-fearing, Jesus believing church will offer a dime to encourage non-scriptural worship. The Somalis deny the saving grace of Jesus, and Christians will never support them.

The story of Abraham is where this all started. Abraham and his wife Sarah were in their 90's and wanted a son but they were too old. God came to Abraham and promised him a son. God said that his son would be the father of a nation, and the father of 12 princes. His wife ,Sarah, was over 90, and after a while she grew tired of waiting, so she offered up her handmaiden (Hagar) as a substitute mother. Abraham got her pregnant and she bore Ishmael. After the birth Hagar thought she was superior to Sarah. Sarah complained to Abraham about this. Hagar got scared and fled.

After Hagar fled, Sarah got pregnant and had a son named Issac. Hagar was hiding in the desert with Ishmael, when God appeared to her and told her that He had promised that Abraham's first born would be the father of a nation, and that He would keep His promise. And He did. Ishmael is the father of Islam.

God kept His promise. He kept His promise to an illegitimate race by making their illegitimate son (Ishmael)the father of their nation. And He kept His promise to His people by making His legitimate son , Issac, the father of the Jewish nation, which led to the birth of Jesus Christ and the church as we know it today.

The brothers, Issac and Abraham are the fathers of 3 major religions. Issac is the father of Judaism and Christianity, and Ishmael is the the father of Islam

I am a Christian, and I won't support any mosque with money or labor.

Nancy1's picture

Catholic Charities brought

Catholic Charities brought the original Somalis here, which attracted the migration from Georgia. Seems to me the Catholic Church should offer some assistance in helping these people find a suitable place of worship.
fat, I had a suspicion I would get that kind of response. It's acceptable to disrespect their religion but outrageous when show no respect for the white Christians who surround them? The problems are six of one, a half dozen of the other and both sides are quite sure their beliefs are the right ones.

Pirate's picture
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The Somali migration from

The Somali migration from Georgia to Lewiston, Maine was discussed on national radio today. Being famous for our Land of Milk and Honey welfare benefits, the word got out through "scouts" and as the Georgia benefits dried up, they came to good old L/A. Ahhhh, but life is so good here. AARRGHH!!! We have much about which to be concerned.

armymom's picture

The Catholic Church brought

The Catholic Church brought them here but they quickly lost interest when they could not convert them and turn them into additional donors to the church.

fatandhappy's picture

Besides, armymom

You said "The Catholic Church brought them here but they quickly lost interest when they could not convert them and turn them into additional donors to the church."

So far the Somalis have been nothing but "takers"....I don't see them ever becoming donors to anything.

fatandhappy's picture

armymom, that comment was just wrong

Church is not about the offering plate, and it is rude for you to say that it is.

What you are implying is that churches scam the members for money....you should be ashamed. My own church needs money to operate. We have a pastor with children to support, we have utility bills and building upkeep, so yes, we do take up an offering. The Bible commands us to tithe to support the Lord's work, but we don't preasure anyone to tithe or give....it is between the individual member and God.

The greedy televangelist are NOT representative of the local churches, so don't judge real churches by what you see on TV. Our pastor's salary is voted on each year at our yearly business meeting. He doesn't even touch the money, our volunteer treasurer does. There is not nearly as much corruption in the churches as you would like to believe. Perhaps you should attend church and find out for yourself instead of making crazy wild accusations that have no basis of fact.

armymom's picture

There is however a big

There is however a big difference in going to church and being unable to give and not going to church and having the church support you. The Catholic Church brought the Somali's. The Somali's would neither convert to Catholicism nor contribute to the church; instead they expected to continue to be practicing muslims supporting their mosques while the Catholic Church supported them.

Pirate's picture
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Catholic churches are closing

Catholic churches are closing and mosques are going up. Welcome to America

fatandhappy's picture

Here's the problem Nancy

Nancy wrote: "It's acceptable to disrespect their religion but outrageous when show no respect for the white Christians who surround them? "

The problem is that we were born here, this is our home. Somebody invited these people to come here as refugees, and they owe us some degree of gratitude and respect, but they are demanding and disrespectful instead.

I totally reject Islam as a legitimate religion and do not believe that God has any part of it. However, I do respect their right to be Muslim if they choose. Sometimes we Christians forget that the same constitutional right that Muslims have to worship as they please also give us the right to worship as we please.

I am in no way speaking for the Catholic Church, but it would be my guess that even though they helped the Somalis come here, I doubt they would have any interest in helping them to worship under Islam. I am sure the Catholic Church wants the Muslims to come to the Catholic Church.

The Bible commands Christians to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world, and it would be a terrible sin to help spread a false religion. No Christian church is going to assist the Muslims in teaching Islam

armymom's picture

Islam born of jealousy.

Islam born of jealousy. Jealous to this day.

wildfires1998's picture

An idea from Georgia

Didn't the Catholic Church close a couple of really big Churches in Lewiston and Auburn atleast one downtown they put up for sale? Seems like one of these would be perfect for the Somali's to buy and convert for their use as a mosque. They must have adequate parking for a congregation in the area since the facilities were previously used for a like purpose.

davina's picture
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Bad Idea

That sounds like a really bad idea. Those buildings are designed for Catholic worship and are filled with relics of the Church. That would not ease tension in the L/A area. It would undoubtedly amplify it.

LewistonNative...'s picture

Queston is, why are there

Queston is, why are there some many Somalis driving to the Mosque? It is right in downtown Lewiston and they could easily walk to it. St. Peter and Paul Basilica holds far more people in it and I would bet that they have a better car to person ratio.

BenHarrison's picture

HUM Bible Vs Koran I guess

HUM Bible Vs Koran I guess which ever one steadies your table on an uneven floor better!! Is the one I would chose!!! For me it's about application then substance!! Yellow pages seem to the most versatile, useful book in my house!!!

Brain's picture

Mr. Theriault your from the old school...

Don't Tow - Give'em Dog Crap To Go

RReady15's picture

When one somali approaches

When one somali approaches you from the front and another tries to circle in behind you, tell me what you think they're going to do? Theriault displayed restraint by *not* pulling his gun. Given that situation, I would have drawn my sidearm already.

Of course, I also would have called Ace to tow the offending cars away long before any deviants dared to try and assault me.

fatandhappy's picture

Good question

RReady asked: "When one somali approaches you from the front and another tries to circle in behind you, tell me what you think they're going to do?"

I think they would do a tribal friendship dance to show their love for the American people.

wingnut56's picture

say Uncle

When you people gonna learn these people were let into this country by the status quo who don't have to live with 'em. Not every religion should be free to express their beliefs in America, especially when it causes danger and discord towards "We the People". It's not the 2nd Amendment that needs attention. It's the "Freedom of Religion" that needs a deportation amendment. Those who practice hate towards Americans and take your parking spots should stuffed, cuffed, and put on a slow boat to China. Let them run their mouths over there and see what happens to them.

veritas's picture
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So you want to overturn the Constitution, wingnut??

What does that make you???

BenHarrison's picture

Oh this strange new world is

Oh this strange new world is so confusing and alien to us!! We are simple people from a simple land. All these rules and laws how would we know, We can't park here or there, we can't Drive like that, OH we are supposed to stop at those lights, We are not supposed to run children over in the High School parking lot? We are not allowed beat our wives or children, we can't roam the streets in gangs assaulting random people. We did not know we could not do all these things here in America. This place is so strange and different from where we came from please be patient and understanding. Many Blessings to Mohammed, Praise Allah.

what if's picture

I, too have studied

comparative religion and find much to disagree with in armymom's post as well as yours. Many religions have violent and radical fringe groups as does Islam. As far as Christians being benevolent, have you lost a loved one in the service of our country and were forced to walk through a mob from the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas? I have, and was forced to listen to them praise God for dead soldiers and pray for more! Choose your battles at your own peril.

Pirate's picture
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There is no record of any

There is no record of any Chistian religious group ever hijacking two airplanes and flying them into two tall buildings, killing 3000 innocent people.

fatandhappy's picture

Westboro Baptist

are a bunch of nuts and do not represent 99% of Christians.

I am Baptist myself, and I can tell you that noone in my church supports Westboro or what they atand for. They are a disgrace to our country, our fallen heros, and to Christianity.

armymom's picture

The conduct of some members

The conduct of some members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas and sadly some other churches, organizations and individuals, during the funeral services of fallen military men and women is deplorable. That behavior does not however go to the core teachings or conduct of the faith, in the case of Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, the Christian or Baptist as a whole, which is a huge difference when comparing the nonviolent though inexcusable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church members to the conduct of muslims. While the conduct of some memberso of Sestboro Baptist is deplorable it is not violent as is the standard of the muslim faith where the primary precept is death and destructions of the infidels.

I hope you will all forgive me if I digress to express my concern about comments posted to the article announcing the recent funeral services held here in Maine for a young fallen soldier. An individual asked if there were protesters expected at the service and many took offense at the question going so far as to say that such a question was inappropriate. Given the habit of some members of Westboro Baptist, a few other churches, individuals, and organizations to disrupt the funerals of fallen service men and women, and the generous and much appreciated turnout by supporters who have formed barriers between protesters and the bereaved this question was very appropriate. It is only by knowing that a protest may occur and volunteers are needed to provide this barrier that we can meet the needs of these families that have given the supreme sacrifice.

what if's picture

Would you agree

with the "core teachings" of the Holy Bible used by Christians? Much like those found in the Koran, and both modified for current times, except by fringe offshoots of both.

armymom's picture

I don't have to agree with

I don't have to agree with the core teachings of Christianity, the content of any of the current or previous versions of the Bible, just know what they are.

fatandhappy's picture

Previous versions of the Bible?

Can you show me where the Bible has been re-written?

And, knowing what the Bible says, and knowing what it means are as different as night and day.

Figure out what it says and get back to me.

If you read a 1000 year old Bible or a brand new, it should have the same meaning. If it doesn't then you should find a different translation.

And yes I know, there are many "modern translations" but they very gently change the meaning and the truth. Don't read them.

fatandhappy's picture

Bible vs Koran

The Koran and the Bible have very little in common contrary to poplular belief. Most of all, Mohammad didn't rise from the dead.

Their "core teachings" are not similar at all, and the Bible has never been modified for current times. There are many churches that ignore the parts they don't won't to adhere to, but the Bible and it's meaning and intent have remained the same for almost 2000 years.

BenHarrison's picture

I GOOTTT MMMEEEE ONE HUNDRED

I GOOTTT MMMEEEE ONE HUNDRED AMERICAN DOLLARS that says Baby Jesus "He's my favorite Jesus" armed only with his bible can WOOPPP, Little OL MO-HA-MED with his KO-RAN!!! And I want me my scalps!!!! (So you can all now hear how i meant it pretty good hu).

BenHarrison's picture

Hay 'what if' I don't think

Hay 'what if' I don't think anyone really thinks this is about "Islam" vs "Christianity". This about people who believe they can do whatever they want, regardless of property rights. It's about people who when confronted about their obvious misconduct play ignorant and get combative!! Now I truly don't believe this is a Muslim issue. I remember back when I went to church all through mass people were all peace be with you and so on, shaking hands as we all left, But when we got to the parking lot it was everyone for themselves trying to get the hell out of that parking lot!!! I don't believe one faith is better then the other, There are jackasses of all denominations!!! I have no doubt that if Mr Therriault would have been assaulted had he not demonstrated he was prepared to defend himself!!!

what if's picture

Ben

I didn't introduce this as an arguement about Islam vs Christianity. I replied to someone who did.

armymom's picture

It hasn't been introduced as

It hasn't been introduced as a Christianity vs Islam issue. It has been introduced as a you cannot expect a muslim to behave as you a Chistian would, they don't live by the same rules issue. Let me try putting it in another context. Recently there was a big tado over Michelle Obama touching a Muslim dignitary during the President's visit to his homeland. She reached out and bent over in order to reach the man's hand which was lowered as he bowed so as to keep it out of reach. His faith precludes him from touching a female not a close family member; she ignored the fact he lives by a whole different set of rules, values, and morals than she does creating tremendous conflict. Christians, Jews, and Pagans for example have no problem with an unrelated male shaking hands with a female.

Nancy1's picture

I am no fan of the Obama

I am no fan of the Obama admin, but I've seen the video. He OFFERED his hand to her, but after Muslims were offended by it he tried to save face by making up a story of how he was forced. Here is the video, he not only willingly took her hand, he did the two handed clasp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTg1aO2T8pw

armymom's picture

Nancy the point wasn't

Nancy the point wasn't whether he may or may not have been complicit which has certainly been argued; the point was Muslim males do not touch females who are not close relatives even in a formal way such as a handshake and Christians have no issue with this. The point I was trying to make was that what Christians take as normal and acceptable Muslims do not and what Muslims take as normal and acceptable Chrisians do not. We can not therefore expect the Muslims at this mosque to behave as a Christian would. Furthermore, in many regards when it comes to social etiquet you could include pagans, Hindus, Budists, Christians, Jews et al in one class as they share most of the same basic behaviors and attitudes as they all come from a benevelant religious foundation.

Gary52's picture
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Huum, it appears that the

Huum, it appears that the votes are coming in, as you requested.

momof4's picture

whaaatttt?

If they were trespassing on his property, tough crap for them.

Ajax's picture

Huum

Lets vote. How many of you gun totin' tough guys (and gals) would be all hot and bothered about the Second Amendment if two Somali folks went up to Mr. Theriault and displayed handguns while he was snapping pictures of them?

Pirate's picture
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It would depend on who's

It would depend on who's quickest on the draw.

vzep's picture

Ajax,

The majority of our Somali residents are NOT American citizens, therefore, they cannot legally posess firearms in this country. Until they become
law abiding American citizens, The Second Ammendment does not apply to them.

fatandhappy's picture

Constitutional rights?

vzep?
Aren't all legal immigrants afforded the same rights as anyone else living ib this country legally?

What makes you think that they are not protected under the Bill of Rights?

I would like to see your sources for this, because I have never heard of anything like that.

veritas's picture
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vzep - don't give up your day job to be a lawyer.

So "Non-Citizens" cannot legally possess a firearm??

Cite the Federal law for that one, vzep.

vzep's picture

Veritas,

As usual, your I am smarter than you attitude sucks. No need to cite anything. When you legally purchase a firearm, you are specifically asked
more than once if you are an American citizen. If not, the NICS will deny you, period.

veritas's picture
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"Poor vzep" - Hates to show proof, especially when in the wrong

"Smarter than you attitude?"

Perhaps it's a 'fact' rather than an 'attitude' as you had to eat a load of horseshidt when it was shown that legal aliens without 'non-immigrant' visas were legally allowed by U.S. Law to own and possess firearms.

Don't get angry and insulting - simply acquire knowledge so you can play on a level field with we big kids......

vzep's picture

Playing field.

Again veritass, you proved my point by calling yourself one of the "big kids". The NICS will initially deny your application if you are not a U.S.
citizen. Instead of politely proving me wrong, you told me" not to quit my day job". Apparently, your level playing field isn't level at all. You still
need to work on that superiority complex.

veritas's picture
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And you never left the 3rd grade playing field....

if you still have to resort to name games such as 'verit-ass' - Hoist on your own petard there, vzep.

Why prove you wrong?? I asked you prove yourself correct - which you couldn't. Then embarrassed you when others saw right through your arrogant ignorance.

P.S. - Your smokescreening regarding NICS checks only displays the straws at which you'll grasp to redeem what little credibility you imagine you may have left. It's the law that counts. And you couldn't cite it.

Pirate's picture
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While Frank Sinatra sings,

While Frank Sinatra sings, "Stormy Weather", the flies and the spiders get along together....

vzep's picture

Veritas Needs a clue.

And insinuating that armymom needed a "clue" as to why her boys are serving instead of showing her the utmost respect she deserves
not to mention telling me not to "quit my day job" damages your credibility regardless of who's right. You know it is possible to refute
someone's posting without attacking their intelligence or character. And veritass is your screen name only when you start to behave
in the manner I have seen here time and time again.

veritas's picture
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Sorry.....Coat-tails don't cut it....

'armymom' may deserve that respect which is normally attributed to that of any parent or spouse of a one serving in the military - but it gives her no special aura, knowledge, nor attributes when she rides the coat-tails of her sons as she spouts her political beliefs (and misbeliefs) here in the Forums.

She's just as full of crap as anyone else when they're wrong on a subject - including myself (who actually retired from the military)

So find someone else if you want to put them up for Sainthood.......

And if you call names like a 2nd grader - you're still 2nd grade material - In addition to being ill-informed.

BenHarrison's picture

Wow Veritas You are just a

Wow Veritas You are just a hateful little man!! Armymom I salute you and your brave sons for fighting for America and the Constitution that protects U.S. And I guess That freedom of speach thing does give Veritas the right to be such a Jerk but attacking Armymom and accuse her of riding her sons coat tails, In my opinion is going to far. Your a sad little man that uses this blog to make yourself feel better about your lot in life by putting others down to build yourself back up!!! Sad Sad Sad Thanks for your service if you did infact serve, But after reading your comments to a women that has son's activly fighting for our country, I doubt you did and if you infact did I am sure in was in the rear with the gear!!! I got mine show me yours!!!!! That's what I thought!!! What did you serve in Coasties!!!! Punk!!!

veritas's picture
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So what did you do with your GI Bill......???

You obviously didn't use it for educational purposes. Anything and everything you've written here could be easily absorbed from both Rush and Faux. And it shows.

BenHarrison's picture

I'm no "Hero Boy" Some Rag

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preaves's picture
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This comment was removed for

This comment was removed for violating our commenting policy. Do it again and you'll be banned for a week.

veritas's picture
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As I see you have no respect for your CIC

Which also tells me all I need to know about you. And I don't even have to make up stories about you as you do others......

BenHarrison's picture

And that's All I have to say

And that's All I have to say to you CUR!! (Spelled the Navy way) Just for you!!! I like all the bloggers on here should, will just ignore your posts amd move on!!!

veritas's picture
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So, Ben -

I see you just use your Purple Heart here for giggles and grins when it suits your needs on a short term basis.

The same way armymom uses service members.

Too bad it doesn't mean anything more to you.

preaves's picture
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Now -- The two of you need to

Now --

The two of you need to cut it out.

No one is going to prove who was a better service member arguing on the Internet. Seriously.

I'm closing comments on this thread because this editorial is several days old now the conversation is no longer about the editorial.

veritas's picture
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I ducked when I got shot at....

So all I got was the Combat Action Ribbon.

BenHarrison's picture

Well I stood my ground laid

Well I stood my ground laid down suppressing fire so my team could advance on an enemy position Killing all that stood in our way!!!! You struck me as a DUCKER!!! Spend most of your time in the fetal position no doubt!!!

veritas's picture
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We were shooting them up north before they even crossed the DMZ

Saved the left-overs for you......

armymom's picture

Now you both need to duck

Now you both need to duck this. Yesterday, Pvt Buddy McLain of Mexico, Maine was killed by enemy fire in Afghanistan. He was only 24 years old. This story is four days old put it to rest. The rest of us would like to click on recent comments and see something other than veritas stories about hiding on a ship and Ben please don't encourage him, it's a disgrace while my sons' are putting their lives on the line for this country and Buddy McLain and his family have made the ultimate sacrifice.

veritas's picture
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What an sterling example... Here she goes again!!!

Typical 'armymom' hysterical bs....

1. Tells us "Both to Duck it"

2. Refers to another Mainer killed in Afghanistan

3. Refers to my service as "Hiding on a Ship"

4. Pumps up her sons again.

Lady - I don't know who the hell you are, but at least have the common decency as to not try censoring other's posts here in the name of dead soldiers. That's not why any of us served.

Base your own writings on their own merits - then be prepared to defend them on how they stand or fall. For God's sake, every time you're criticised you hide behind your soldier sons or some other dead soldier like a wimpy child hide behinds the skirts of their mother.

Grow up and grow a set and learn to argue the merits of your case on it's own facts - and quit using the service of others - for God's sake, we service people have been used enough by the like of dumb-ass politicians for their nefarious ends without folks like you also 'using' us.

veritas's picture
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Got drafted, didn't ya.....

;)

veritas's picture
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But there were guys on the ship hit - and one taken POW

Is that far enough in the rear for you, Hero Boy???

vzep's picture

Ill informed.

I think many of the people here, including myself, would rather be "ill informed second graders" than to have your condescending attitude.
Must suck being you.

fatandhappy's picture

Title18, U.S. Code, Section 922

Well, vzep, according the Federal Firearms Act, illegal aliens are banned from buying firearms, but legal immigrants with a proper immiaration visa are not:
"(g) It shall be unlawful for any person:

5) who, being an alien:

(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;or

(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26));"

http://www.nraila.org/federalfirearms.htm

So as you can see, Veritas is right. As long as they are legally here that can have firearms. If you need further proof, click on the link I gave here and look at the firearms sale questionare.

Who are you smarter than now?

vzep's picture

Above post.

If you read my above post I conceded that resident aliens were able to purchase firearms if they met certain criteria. I never said I was
smarter than veritas or anyone else, I will leave that attitude to veritas and you, fat and happy.

vzep's picture

Denied,

Apparently, a resident alien can purchase a firearm if they can prove 90 day residency and meet all other requirements. Don't agree with it, and
still think veritasses smarter than thou attitude sucks.

DWilson's picture

Get real, Ajax. Taking

Get real, Ajax. Taking pictures is not an act and never has been an act of aggression nor could it be described as one. Making verbal or physical threats is quite a different matter. Please take my picture, don't threaten me with your words or your fist though.

veritas's picture
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You There, Macaca - Taking pictures never hurt anyone!!!

ask ex-Senator Allen of Virginia.......

tron's picture

I think all this publicity

I think all this publicity will bode well for Mr. Theriault during the next election. He could have simply had the cars towed, but instead he made this big public stink. He's proven he's not backing down to those 'people' and that will, unfortunately, garner him more votes come next November.

DWilson's picture

Pathetic

Pathetic Tron. You did a great job with this making sure no one can agree or disagree with you. Let me help out the readers by rephrasing.

This report demonstrating Mr. Theriault's commitment to stand up for his and his neighbors rights may bode well for him during the next election should he choose to run for office. He has shown great restraint in not simply immediately sucumbing to the temptation to have the cars towed immediately, but instead giving the Somalis at the mosque every oppotunity to understand that they cannot park on his and his neighbors private property. Mr. Theriault and his neighbors have gone to great lengths to politely impress upon the attendees of the Mosque that their property is not open to public parking by posting it and patroling it only to have their signage and property vandalized by the Somalis and to be personally threatened with physical violence. Mr. Theriault and his neighbors have refused to succum to these acts of vandalism and terrorism, having addressed the matter with the offenders and the operators of the mosque with no resolution, Mr Theriaul and his neighbors have put the police and city council on notice and will be having all offending vehicles towed hence forth as is their right. Mr. Theriault has proven he's not backing down in protecting his property and supporting his neighbors in protectiing theirs which may garner him additional votes in November if he chooses to run for public office.

Now you can agree or disagree with Tron's pathetic attempt to twist you response.

tron's picture

I see the right wing wacko

I see the right wing wacko spin machine is alive and well. Congratulations, Wilson, you've manage to phrase things to effectively hide your bigotry. Kudos. Glad to see you've realized that most of this brouhaha is about the publicity instead of trying to resolve the situation.

Pirate's picture
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"Not bad", sez the parrot.

"Not bad", sez the parrot. "Only called him two names".

DWilson's picture

I took the spin of your first

I took the spin of your first line Tron. You as usual chose to try to swing both ways with your sarcasm, synacism and the dreaded b word. I could just have easily rewritten your post the opposite way for you so we could have DISAGREED with you instead of AGREED with you. The problem with your post, it tried to go both ways, I fixed it.

joe public's picture

One will have to wonder while

One will have to wonder while Mr Theriault is under fire here for bearing his firearm why TWO men going to Pray (for that matter the whole bunch ) are not showing restraint themselves?? It would seem to me people of Faith would ACT in kindness and Nonviolence ! Im soory to say this newspaper seems to be one sided ! Good Luck to Mr Theriault and the citizens of Lewiston this is just the tip of the iceberg we are seeing !

DWilson's picture

Joe, you should read

Joe, you should read armymom's posts from yesterday's article http://www.sunjournal.com/city/story/946861. She has done a lot of study in the area of comparative religion. She is absolutely right while Christians and pagans as you say would ACT in kindness and nonviolence on the way to services as members of benevelant faiths, the same cannot be expected of muslims which are members of the most violent religion on earth based doing harm and killing anyone and everyone that is not muslim, infidels as they would say. They consider Americans the worst infidels of all. So is it no wonder they take every opportunity to inflict one of their promised "thousand tiny cuts" in this neighborhood.

Pirate's picture
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Let no one forget about the

Let no one forget about the 19 year old Somali in Portland, Oregon who was arrested for attempting to engage in a terrorist act over the weekend. Somali born; naturalized U.S. citizen. The home growns are starting to sprout up. How many do we have in L/A?

yeah right's picture

sorry but

these people don't even know how to drive up here, or at least they ACT like that, I think if one more hogs the road to cut me off without even a blinker, I may ram them.

Gary52's picture
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For people that talk about

For people that talk about respect, or lack of same, being such an important part of their culture, the Somalis are not a people that appear willing to return the favor in many cases. One way street. BTW, I think Mr. Therriault did what most armed citizens would have done by showing the two trespassers that he wasn't backing down, and that's a good thing. If more Somalis had the same mindset, they might just still have a country that they would want to live in.

perhaps

the Muslim people should spend our money to get a new mosque .

skippy's picture
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As I read the story yesterday

As I read the story yesterday Mr. Theriault did not "brandish" his gun, he merely made it visible and available, but the gun remained untouched in its holster. This was done when Mr. Theriault was on his property and felt threatened by the two men's behavior. Apparently one of those two, if not both, had parked their cars illegally on Mr. Theriault's property. His actions were both appropriate and reasonable. When we are not allowed to defened ourselves when threatened on our own properties, it is time to live elsewhere. The idea of gun control is wrong. Mr. Theriault and any one else in the State of Maine and the U.S. should have the right to have anything removed from their property without fear of repercussion. In this case all should have the right to have illegally parked cars removed at the car owner's expense form their properties without having to jump through any hoops.

roadwolfwalker's picture

The city approved the mosque's use of the building at 256 Bartle

The city should do thier homework before approving this.17 parking spaces nearby and limit occupancy to 98 people RED FLAG ALL OVER THE PLACE sometimes the city has to apease itself and not every one else

armymom's picture

Constitutional Right My Sons Are Fighting For

Law abiding Americans like Mr.Theriault, the lady in Rumford who was prepared to defend herself against those who tried to break-in to her apartment and the genleman with the shotgun who met the two home invaders a few days ago, should be carrying guns. Having law abiding Americans armed makes us all safer. When criminals know they are likely to find themselves dealing with someone ready to defend themselves and their property not to at the mercy of the criminal the criminal thinks twice before commiting a crime. When the criminal insists on breaking into an occupied dwelling, terrorizing, or assaulting they should find themselves the injured party. Enough with Americans being the victims; our Constitution GUARANTEES us the right to bear arms. Our legislatures need to remove all interferences with that basic right or why are my sons fighting for this country?

veritas's picture
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armymom - you haven't figured out why yours sons are fighting?

Here's a clue. It's not for the 2nd Amendment. Nor the 1st, 4th, nor any others.

Writs to enforce the protections of those Constitutional Amendments are issued by Courts - not the Army.

vzep's picture

Again,

Veritas is insinuating that armymom doesn't have a clue instead of respecting the fact that her sons are serving. Way to go Veritas.

veritas's picture
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She obviously needs clues; many of them.

And other than mollycoddle her, you're not much help for her, vzep. Do you think her sons were treated like 'Namby-Pambies" in Uncle Sam's Army as you do her here??

Were you in the military?? Though we take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution - we are not the 'enforcers'. That is the job of the Judicial and Executive Branch. Freedom of Speech and Gun-owner Rights cases are decided in the courts, and executed by the Executive Branch. Absent a Court Order to desegregate based on Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas, 347 U.S. 483, on May 17, 1954 - the 101st Airborne would not have escorted the nine African-American students into the Little Rock High School back in 1957.

The military has their many purposes and duties - but armymom for her own reasons appears to have amplified them beyond their intended scope.

CommonSense's picture

No longer any doubt in my mind you never served.

Veritas, up until this comment I only had ever increasing doubts that the photo depicting you as as an honested to goodness SQUID was a phony, some real sailor's picture you snitched trying to pass off as yourself or you in some theatrical production. I have had ever increasing doubt you ever served this great nation in any branch of our armed forces; I don't doubt any longer I know you are a fraud. No United States Services man or woman would ever speak to or of the mother, father, bother, sister or child of another service man or woman the way you have spoken of and to armymom.

veritas's picture
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It's easy to call people Frauds when you won't sign your name...

That tells us much more about you than it does me.....

preaves's picture
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Admin warning

Nancy1's picture

"trying to pass off as

"trying to pass off as yourself or you in some theatrical production. " hahahaha!!! that's rich, considering. This is just so entertaining, waiting to see which personality will show up to agree with herself. GET HELP, preferably out of state.

wildfires1998's picture

Commonsense and vzep are the

Commonsense and vzep are the same person?

veritas's picture
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At least plugged into

the same channels and cut from the same cloth.......

lawntobemowed's picture

Thank you

Armymom, the efforts of your sons and the many other young Americans are very much appreciated. I agree with you 100%. There is no reason for Americans to continue to be victims. Our basic rights are sacred. Thank you Armymom and a very sincere thank you to your sons.

Ajax's picture

Let's be reasonable

This fellow was brandishing a handgun in a dispute about parking spots. Its about the most stupid thing one could do. Theriault's concealed weapons permit should be revoked on the grounds of "brain-deadness" This is not a Second Amendment issue and trying to make it one does not help your cause.

Pirate's picture
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He had one coming at him

He had one coming at him threateningly and one circling towards him from behind. Which one would YOU have tried to negotiate with?

fedupinlewiston's picture

Read the real article!

If you had read the ORIGINAL article on this not this lame editorial board version you would know that Mr. Theriault did not brandish his weapon over parking spots. In fact Mr. Theriault NEVER removed the weapon from his holster. The original article stated that Mr. Theriault was taking pictures of the infractions when one somali gentleman approached him screaming at him for taking his picture and proceeded to advance on Mr. Theriault on Mr. Theriault's property. Mr. Theriault ONLY showed his weapon when a 2nd somali male began to circle around Mr. Theriault. I would say this shows proper judgement on Mr. Theriault's part as he was alone now being surrounded by more than one somali gentleman. So before you all go on the bandwagon of he was wrong for his weapon being shown need to get all the facts straight first. As for the editorial board who wrote this article as in true SJ fashion you half report the facts to try to make your opinion sound like the right one instead of giving all the facts and reporting this for what it is and thats the law being broken and the offenders not carrying. I said it on the original article and ill say it here again. The elders of that community need to preach and instruct their people to be respectful of their neighbors and maybe suggest car pooling for their community instead of looking the other way on this whole situation. This matter is easily solveable but I think the elders of the mosque need to take a more leadership role and maybe police their own people outside so this doesnt happen.

DWilson's picture

Excuse me, Ajax, but Mr.

Excuse me, Ajax, but Mr. Theriault has never "brandished" his handgun. It has never been removed from his holster; he meerly unzipped his jacket to make it accessible and placed his hand over it in case he needed it since he was being threatened. You need to look up "brandishing" in a dictionary or online if you don't know how to use a book.

VoiceOreason's picture

Belligerents on both sides?

Hardly. Theriault has not broken any laws. He is simply asking the mosque attendees not to break the law. Theriault is licensed to carry a weapon. It seems to me that he has been patient up to this point. If the Lewiston police are truly concerned about Theriault using his weapon, maybe they ought to send a squad car over once in a while and enforce the law.

CynicalCitizen's picture

Belligerent...

...does not mean 'breaking the law', it means acting in an aggressive and hostile manner. Whether or not Mr Theriault is in the right has nothing to do with whether or not he is acting in a belligerent fashion. I don't know the man, but he has shown up numerous times in this paper before as someone who cannot resolve differences in a calm fashion, whether with business associates, tenants, his fellow city councilors, city administration, or law enforcement, which all suggests that he has a belligerent nature.

He has a right to protect his property rights, but the best tools for that in this situation might be a business card from Ace Towing and a cell phone.

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