Irrational hatred

The protest organized by Lyndon LaRouche in front of post offices across the state (Short takes, Dec. 4) was news to me.

Signs comparing President Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler and circulating petitions to impeach Obama reveal an ignorance of the history of the Hitler-led Holocaust. It also reveals an irrational hatred and scapegoating which is similar to the hatred and scapegoating of Jews which Hitler inspired. It appears that those who are accusing Obama of being like Hitler are, in fact, behaving in ways sickeningly reminiscent of Hitler.

The editorial mentioned that when petition-gatherers in Brunswick and Lewiston were questioned about actions and motivations, they declined to explain. That leads me to think they are acting from no real conviction other than irrational hatred.

Who is fanning the hatred?

Maybe they are being paid to perform an action they really have no knowledge of?

Joyce White, Stoneham

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PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Right on, ConservaMom...good

Right on, ConservaMom...good post.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

While Frank Sinatra sings,

While Frank Sinatra sings, "Stormy Weather", the flies and the spiders get along together....
In order to be fair and balanced, which I know all liberals are, angels, wouldn't it have been appropriate for you to launch the same level of chastisement to voisine for his deregation of the Republicans? Just asking.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Assuming there's a modicum of

Assuming there's a modicum of accuracy to what you say, voisy, what are we to do?

 's picture

Equality is equal

Why I use this image, an equality symbol for my icon image is a personal decision. My motives are as obvious as the image. Equality is an asperation for all of us, regardless of who we are. Sadly, for many equality has yet to be achieved. It's not a concept that needs much explaination, much less something to question. It's kind of obvious, wouldn't you say?

Joseph Keelan's picture

Integrity rather?

Integrity is an important part of individual character. It's something to strive for and certainly something to admire. But equality is a more specific term than what you describe. In my opinion, equality is about a fair society, where everyone participates (and is responsible) in the same measure. Economically, socially, politically. It's as simple as that. To measure a persons character after all is said and done speaks to them alone. Equality speaks to society as a whole. It's something I hope to see come true in my lifetime.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

..."equality is about a fair

..."equality is about a fair society, where everyone participates (and is responsible) in the same measure. Economically, socially, politically."
Great description of communism; right out of the book of Karl Marx.

Joseph Keelan's picture

There it is . . .

I've been waiting for that caveat. I know you'd let out with it sooner or later. So inequality it is then for those whom you believe deserve less than you. Because of what? According to your post, it would seem one must meet a specific criteria in order to receive (or deserve) equal treatment, equal access, equal opportunity. That's too bad. Should you encourage others to aspire to a better, more productive way of living, that's really something quite nice. But assigning value based on your singular point of view is exactly how discrimination begins. And that's what equality is all about — fighting against bias to assure that everyone has a fair chance at (wait for it . . .) "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Notice, F&H, how Joseph chose

Notice, F&H, how Joseph chose to walk rather than engage in debate involving "circular" logic.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Great post, F&H...well

Great post, F&H...well stated.

Joseph Keelan's picture

Bla, bla, bla . . .

Yeah, here we go. Using circular logic to justify your palid excuses in order to disenfranchise groups people for the sake of your personal value system. Look, my prevous posts regarding "equality" speak for themselves easily enough. You want to have a game with me where you parse words and intent in order to prove a point, you'll have to try some other time. So go play out in the street, I'm not interested.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Well stated, F&H

Well stated, F&H

Joseph Keelan's picture

Wow Mari . . .

Your comment is pretty vile. Hitler was a despotic megalomaniac who was consumed with world domination. Toward that end, he devised a vision for Germany that did not include certain people — Jews among them. The atrocities he committed are beyond comprehension even to this day. Comparing anyone to Hitler is far from appropriate. It's disrespectful for one and pretty darn (how can I say this without sounding like a jerk), well never mind, it's just wrong. To minimize Hitler's crimes as merely "cost-cutting" while comparing those measures to President Obama is inane. Perhaps you should look toward Congress for those same comparisons. Everyone's talking about "cost-cutting", everyone.

Joseph Keelan's picture

Really?

Still, you try to rationalize the comparison between Obama and Hitler. Clearly you just don't get it. More to the point, I'm assuming it wouldn't serve your argument not to. But if you want to search through history to explain Hitler's raise to power than help yourself. The difference between Hitler and Obama - and history will bear this out - is that Hitler was an insane xenophobe, Obama is not. Comparing Nazi Germany to this nation at this point in time serves nobody. It's hardly accurate and most important, it's disrespectful to our President, our country, 6 million Jews and countless homosexuals, Russians, Gypsies and so many more.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

If not us; WHO? If not here;

If not us; WHO? If not here; WHERE?

RONALD RIML's picture

Nothing wrong with 'Cost Cutting"

If the 'cost' that is cut is 'Insurance'

This Country cannot afford both a Health Care System and an Insurance Racket at the same time. One or the other - but not both.

Most other civilized countries dumped the racket that is 'Insurance' - We suffer because health care is secondary to 'Insurance'

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

NO, YES, and YUK...

NO, YES, and YUK...

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Good post, Mari

Good post, Mari

 's picture

Double standard

Gil, this is the typical example of the liberal double standard.

Joseph Keelan's picture

The point is . . .

The point isn't whether or not those people had the right to protest or not - that wasn't the point of the writer's letter - obviously. The point of her letter (and I agree) is with their method of protest. For anyone to draw a comparison between anyone and Adolf Hitler is extreme and in the case of those protesters in Brunswick and Lewiston, clearly meant create, if not inspire hatred.

Joseph Keelan's picture

My icon image?

It's an "equality" sign.

Steve Bulger's picture

No, Joseph,

The point is that while I may disagree with the message, the medium, or both, I would defend to the death their right to voice it. Once you begin prohibiting people from expressing their opinions - no matter how vile the message or disgusting the orator - where do you draw the line? Maybe begin censoring news outlets? Restrict religious observations and services? Condone illegal searches and seizures by police authorities? Allow the State to decide what's best for your children? (Ooops, too late for that one). Once you start down that slippery slope, it's extremely hard to stop before it's too late. Don't get me wrong - I may not agree with Mr. LaRouche, but I swore an oath as a member of the military some forty-odd years ago to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So, until the Constitution is completely shredded, I will defend the rights of people like Lyndon LaRouche to voice his opinions even if I don't agree with the man or his message.

Joseph Keelan's picture

Yes, Steve

I mentioned nothing regarding their right to protest. I did however say their method of comparing President Obama to Adolf Hitler was designed soley to create hatred - an effective tactic Nazi Germany used against Jews. Regardless if Mr. LaRouche is responsible for orchestrating these types of protests, the fact remains it was designed to do nothing more than stir economic, political and quite possibly racial bias. I agree with you, their message was vile. Further I'm not advocating censorship. But should sensible, rational people consider such tactics as valid and worthy of consideration? Hardly.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

..."I did however say their

..."I did however say their method of cmparing President Obama to Adolph Hitler was designated soley to create hatred"...
What was the purpose behind when the democRATS and other factions of the left did it when they compared George Bush to Hitler? Was that done out of hatred, too, or was that an outpouring of human compassion?

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not hatred, they were simply

not hatred, they were simply pointing out the uncanny similarity between bush and Hitler. Not surprise you don't see it. The use of torture, trampling of civil rights. The only dissimilar about the two was bush's lack of oratorical skills.

 's picture

The only trampling is when

The only trampling is when your 300 plus pounds 'pounds the pavement' on rare occasions.

Douglas Mac antSaior's picture

More of the donkey show. All

More of the donkey show. All bray, no substance.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Except that the Hoopster is

Except that the Hoopster is educated way beyond his level of intelligence.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I'd say they were simply

I'd say they were simply pointing out, as you've just verified, that without a double standard the left is dead in the water. But if someone even suggests to disagree with the one term Hoopster In Chief, ahhhh, then it becomes akin to another holocaust.
Bush spoke from the heart; the Hoopster speaks from....oh, well, we won't go there.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Good one, MO 4.

Good one, MO 4.

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