For those people who do not wish to call a Christmas tree what it is (a "Christmas" tree), it would be polite to allow other people to enjoy the holiday that is important to them and their faith.
The holiday is a Christian holiday and the images connected to it should be spoken of using their given names. I am Catholic and I do not have a problem naming the religious symbols of other faiths by their correct names, such as the menorah as opposed to candle-holder or candelabrum. To do so would be insulting and disrespectful.
Are people so stuck on politically correct speech that we are becoming like those in the Middle East — fighting over religious beliefs?
I'm sorry if saying "Merry Christmas" offends some people. It is sad that they think Christians are cramming our faith down their throats.
It is wishing good tidings, joy and happiness to others, no matter what their religion is, because that is what the message is all about. No matter what faith a person is, be it Jewish, Muslim or New-Age paganism. For Christians, it is the message from our God.
Even if others do not have any faith or belief, are they so negative that they cannot accept the sentiment?
Maybe if we expressed our faith in a more loving and positive manner, or if we were more positive in our thinking, this country would not be in such disarray.
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To all that have other relgions and you are certainly entitled to them. Would your religious beliefs be stronger if I could no longer enjoy or share in mine? I don't think my God would want me to ask you to give up yours. Dec. 25th is the day Jesus was born. Deal with it. I think wishing someone a happy or merry day is wonderful whatever day it is. Merry Thursday to you. We aren't giving up any more of our freedoms.
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You are truly an exception Wilma, enjoy your holiday, we will enjoy ours.
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Christians don't get respect because they don't show respect beginning with the holidays. Christ was not born in December. The only reason you all celebrate it in December is to usurp the pagan winter holiday the same way you usurp the pagan symbols. If you want respect you have to start by showing respect and so far that hasn't happened.
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Got BIG news for you, PC...It ain't GONNA happen....It'll be Merry Christmas and December 25th, and no one's gonna change it. Sorry...
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You are right Pirate, Christians wont change, they will keep trying to force their beliefs on everyone else. They will also keep expecting that everyone already believes the same as they do and expecting them to act as Christians and be confused, freaked out and offended when they don't. Christians will keep doing whatever they want all week, then going to church, ask for forgiveness expecting to have it all washed away by the blood of their Christ, while they are planning the next weeks succession of "sins" for which they will go to church and ask forgiveness at the end of the week all the while expecting all the non-christians to turn the other cheek or look the other way. On December 25th, three months off from their Christ's birthday, they will celebrate his birthday. This is the Christ who they believe suffered terribly for each and every one of their sins, the same sins they are planning as I write and they read this, which they know to be sins, which they plan to commit and then go to church and ask for an expect to automatically get forgiveness for all the while they are planning the next weeks batch. It really does make perfect sense doesn't it? God's son came to earth in human form to suffer terribly for each and every sin past, present and future. As a Christian, all you got to do is commit the sin for which he will be punished terribly, ask for forgiveness and go out and commit more sins deliberately for Christ to be punished for. Isn't that the basis for the whipping boy? You are right Pirate, Christians wont change.
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And, we, as Christians, thank God everyday for that.
Merry Christmas, Armymom.
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How did you get all of that out of Pirate's post? If THAT is what he said, you've got some pretty amazing mindreading skills. (and a bt of a nasty attitude.) Gee, Pirate, I had no idea? Ask her what the Parrot really thinks, because I am really curious.
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Ya know, MO4, I've read that post a couple more times, and came up with a conclusion. That is one ANGRY lady. It must suck to be that angry at people of faith.
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and I wish her a Merry Christmas.
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The parrot, being the liberal that he is, chooses to maintain a neutral position on the issue. But, he does concede that he doesn't mind if non-Christians don't want to celebrate the Christmas feast as long as they don't try to prevent the Christians from celebrating it.
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You don't see many liberals maintaining a"neutral position" on much of anything. I'm just hoping he doesn't change his mind.
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One thing about him; he knows who feeds him. He pretty much gets away with saying what he wants, but he DOES what I say. His mind will NOT be changed on that issue.
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who cares? Why don't you let a little magic and mystery into your life instead of analyzing everything? The problem with things nowadays is everything has to be dissected, logical, literal, and I for one enjoy a little mystery in life. This is a time of celebration, peace and goodwill, and you are missing out on the joys of the season by dwelling on all this junk. I truly hope God touches your heart, and perhaps you will lighten up a little. MERRY CHRISTMAS, PC!!!!!!
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Nancy, if you are serious about calling things by their correct name i.e. menorah, not candlabrum, how about starting by forgetting the "Christmas Tree" and calling it by its correct name "Yule Tree." Your "Christmas Tree" is one more example of the theft of the pagan just as the the Christians attempt to steal the pagan holiday Yule and to do so, you Christians went so far as to change the date of birth of your Christ by three months. Every single one of your Christian holidays marks the theft of a pagan holiday right down to the catholic Ennunciation of Mary! All Saints, Christmas, Easter and so on are all thefts of pagan holidays from the date to the intent. Your very religion is founded on paganism which predates your's by thousands of years. So have a little respect and call it a Yule Tree and ditch the Merry Christmas for Happy Yule or Solstice if you must Happy Hollidays; but please leave Christ out of it you are missing his birthday by three months.
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Actually, Easter was a holiday stolen from pagans. Easter always follows Passover, a Jewish holiday. And may I state here that I NEVER considered Jews to be pagans, 'cuz they ain't.
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Does the Yule Tide ebb and flow?
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flotsam and jetsam......
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I saw a jetsam once, on The Jetsons.....Merry Christmas to you and yours, V.....
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And who paves the road to hell with - good intentions, is it??? ;)
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MERRY CHRISTYMAS Ben Franklin!
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There is much discussion about when the birth of Jesus actually occured, though according to many scholars it was not, in fact, in December. That stable would have been full of sheep and animals in December - the shepherds wouldn't be grazing their flocks at night. There are plenty of links out there to it - just google it. Here's one - there are many, many others: http://biblelight.net/sukkoth.htm
So why are we celebrating Christ's birth at this time of year, anyway??
To make a long story short, when the Roman Christians had gained enough power and influence in the 5th Century to make Christianity the official religion - they had to win over the remaining pagans.
And what was the major pagan holiday? Saturnalia; which was celebrated on December 25th in the Julian calendar. This riot of drink, lust, and merriment eventually went on for a week:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/saturn...
"The Saturnalia was the most popular holiday of the Roman year. Catullus (XIV) describes it as "the best of days," and Seneca complains that the "whole mob has let itself go in pleasures" (Epistles, XVIII.3). Pliny the Younger writes that he retired to his room while the rest of the household celebrated (Epistles, II.17.24). It was an occasion for celebration, visits to friends, and the presentation of gifts, particularly wax candles (cerei), perhaps to signify the returning light after the solstice, and sigillaria. Martial wrote Xenia and Apophoreta for the Saturnalia. Both were published in December and intended to accompany the "guest gifts" which were given at that time of year. Aulus Gellius relates in his Attic Nights that he and his Roman compatriots would gather at the baths in Athens, where they were studying, and pose difficult questions to one another on the ancient poets, a crown of laurel being dedicated to Saturn if no-one could answer them."
So it was a December Pagan Holiday 'appropriated' by we Christians for our own nefarious ends to build up the membership rolls.
We can wish Christ "Happy Birthday" any day we wish....
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Well, we do know it probably wasn't July 4th, or Labor Day....
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'Tis the Reason for the Season......
I always enjoyed working Christmas Eve and Christmas as a cop. Some A-hole was always screwing it up for someone...and it was fun to make their life miserable. And practice random acts of kindness for the street people (I know you don't believe that one - but I'll give it a try)
Merry Christmas!!!!
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Uh,uh....I'm buying every word. I believe you have a great deal of kindness in you.
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Merry Christmahannukwanzica
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The parrot sez he'd prefer Happy Holidays over that potpourri.
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Thanks for explaining all that to us nefarious roll builders, Pontifex Veritatis. It must be a slow day at the store. Does this month's Hustler come in green and red shrink-wrap?
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Feels good to laugh! Although I consider veritas a good friend of mine, a little "zinger" once in awhile keeps things merry! Merry Christmas to you too, my friend.
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and He who made them Possible... ;)
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Than 40 $20 books such as you might look at the pictures in...... Another good deal cooking today.
Quality - not quantity.
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Besides, I quit long ago when the price went over $3. $20! Does that come with a certificate of medical cleanliness?
So what's the deal? The Collected Non-Explosive Works of Bill Ayers? How much do you charge for one sheet of paper?
Quality vs. trash. Who have you hired to explain the difference to you? Tron, I bet. He doesn't do anything here, so he has plenty of time on his hands.
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I know it's gotta be good!!!
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Merry Christmas, Pirate. And Happy Rama-lama-ding-dong-kwanza-kah, Parrot.
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The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.
Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”
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The problem is that Christmas isn’t a Christian holiday.
It’s roots are in the Winter Solstice and a Roman Sun God holiday, just like the celebration of John the Baptist’s birth is the summer solstice. It’s a federally recognized holiday. So aside from how you treat December 25th, there are other people who see it differently than you do.
And where in Catholic teaching is the Christmas tree a symbol of your faith? I used to be Catholic, and I don’t remember hearing anything about a Christmas tree being part fot he faith.
How about this – Stop acting like Christmas is going to be banned. Let people enjoy December 25 however they choose, and maybe spend some of the energy your spending worrying about the “Attack on Christmas” instead on making the hholiday season better for everyone, regardless if they say “Merry Christmas”, “Happy Hanukkah”, “Happy Festivus” or even “Happy Holidays”
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The winter solstice does indeed predate Christmas, as well as other pagan traditions. But that does not, nor will it ever keep Christmas from being a Christian holiday.
You are also correct in that a fir tree is not in and of itself a symbol of faith. It is, however, a symbol of Christmas and thus does for many represent an aspect of Christian faith.
You may be right that Christmas will never, EVER be banned. Because saying so would be like saying that public schools would stop putting up decorations for St. Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day or Easter. Ooops! That has happened already, hasn't it?
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I say it's great that Christians hijacked a pagan holiday and turned it into a Christian holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus.
I wish that the local Christian churches would buy up the local drinking holes like The Blue Goose and Gippers and turned them into outreach centers for spreading the Gospel to alcoholics.
Same principle applies to Christmas. If Dec 25 was a pagan holiday, then I am proud that Christians hijacked and brought God into it.
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though I have to be honest and admit I do have an affinity for Gippers at times.
Merry Christmas to ALL of you, and remember the reason for the season.
Merry Christmas to Parrot, too! I'll bet he'll enjoy perching in the Christmas Tree!
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That'll be a little tough, MO4...he tries to eat the lights; thinks they're fireflies, reminiscent of his early days in Barbados. I'll keep him fat and happy on catcnip in his pen. (Almost said cage, but the PC police would've been all over it).
You and your family have a Merry Christmas, also.
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I don't care who came first or whatnot. What I'm saying is that Christianity doesn't have the sole claim to December 25th. So instead of worrying about what kind of holiday greeting we use, let's just forget the BS for one second. Let's just remember that most religions encourage us, in the immortal words of Bill and Ted, to "Be Excellent to each other..".
Instead of worrying about what people call a Christmas Tree, why not instead worry about doing something extra for someone who might need it.
I'm sure Jesus doesn't care if you say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.
On a side note - Happy Holidays to everyone. Even if we disagree, I hope you and your loved ones has a safe and happy whatever =)
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Merry Christmas Publicwerks!
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I don't care who came first or whatnot. What I'm saying is that Christianity doesn't have the sole claim to December 25th. So instead of worrying about what kind of holiday greeting we use, let's just forget the BS for one second. Let's just remember that most religions encourage us, in the immortal words of Bill and Ted, to "Be Excellent to each other..".
Instead of worrying about what people call a Christmas Tree, why not instead worry about doing something extra for someone who might need it.
I'm sure Jesus doesn't care if you say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.
On a side note - Happy Holidays to everyone. Even if we disagree, I hope you and your loved ones has a safe and happy whatever =)
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I've seen this argument come up over and over and over. What it boils down to is this, the people arguing about it are always offended, not by what they are allowed to say but by what other people say. No one in my memory has ever banned, criminalized, or frowned upon any individuals from saying Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays, writing the word Christmas instead of the popular shortcut Xmas, decorating your house with religious symbols rather than santas, snowmen and plastic smurfs, or in any way celebrating for yourself in your own way. What the complainers are upset with is what others do, like town offices, or retail outlets, or tv commercials or newspaper article headlines. I'll say it the way I want to, and you can say it the way you want to. Simple as that.
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So retailers banning their employees from giving a greeting of good will is acceptable? Since when. I know that as an employee I have always enjoyed my freedom of speech to wish holiday shoppers good will in my own way. If I were still in retail sales that freedom would be curtailed.
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The complainers don't complain about Jewish, Muslim or Pagan Holidays, just Chriatian ones.
Being from Arkansas, I have never personally known a Jewish person, but I do watch Judge Judy reruns late at night sometimes.
Merry Christmas Nancy and everyone!
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Now that's funny!
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Merry Christmas to you and yours, F&H
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Thank you Pirate. It is going to be a great Christmas! I hope your is great also!
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Merry Christmas Nancy! And what a wonderfully written LTTE.
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My neighbor put up his christmas lights yesterday. I think he is mad because I beat him. I put mine up 3 years ago. Merry Christmas Nancy.
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Merry Christmas Nancy.
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Will put up my Christmas Tree this week end.
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Just curious, MS. Ingerson, when was the last time a Jewish friend, if you have any, wished you a Happy Hanukkah? My guess would be never, since they respect the fact you're not Jewish and they don't wish to make you feel uncomfortable. Why is such courtesy a one way street? Because you're in the majority?
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My wife and I have a number of Jewish friend who do in fact wish us and our families Happy Hanukkah. A wish that I am happy to say that we appreciate their good will and good wishes for us. Thank you for your concern though.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS MERRY CHRISTMAS TO T RON.....
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In college my dorm roommate was Jewish. We still keep in touch - he sends me a Hanukkah card, I send him a Christmas card. No discomfort or discourtesy. To suggest that those qualities must be present in such an exchange does disrespect to both religions and implies that the suggester doesn't have any friends at all, except perhaps a few who are as closed-minded as he is.
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Ummm...just curious tron - how do you tell if someone is Jewish? Because, honestly, I can't tell the difference and if a Jewish person were to wish me a Happy Hanukkah I would smile, thank them and wish them a Happy Hanukkah back. I take no offense with them wishing good will on me at all nor does it make me uncomfortable. How can anyone be offended or uncomfortable by someone wishing them Good Will??
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