They are Christmas trees

For those people who do not wish to call a Christmas tree what it is (a "Christmas" tree), it would be polite to allow other people to enjoy the holiday that is important to them and their faith.

The holiday is a Christian holiday and the images connected to it should be spoken of using their given names. I am Catholic and I do not have a problem naming the religious symbols of other faiths by their correct names, such as the menorah as opposed to candle-holder or candelabrum. To do so would be insulting and disrespectful.

Are people so stuck on politically correct speech that we are becoming like those in the Middle East — fighting over religious beliefs?

I'm sorry if saying "Merry Christmas" offends some people. It is sad that they think Christians are cramming our faith down their throats.

It is wishing good tidings, joy and happiness to others, no matter what their religion is, because that is what the message is all about.  No matter what faith a person is, be it Jewish, Muslim or New-Age paganism. For Christians, it is the message from our God.

Even if others do not have any faith or belief, are they so negative that they cannot accept the sentiment?

Maybe if we expressed our faith in a more loving and positive manner, or if we were more positive in our thinking, this country would not be in such disarray.

Nancy Ingerson, Lewiston

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Merry Christmas

To all that have other relgions and you are certainly entitled to them. Would your religious beliefs be stronger if I could no longer enjoy or share in mine? I don't think my God would want me to ask you to give up yours. Dec. 25th is the day Jesus was born. Deal with it. I think wishing someone a happy or merry day is wonderful whatever day it is. Merry Thursday to you. We aren't giving up any more of our freedoms.

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Well stated, Wilma....Merry

Well stated, Wilma....Merry Christmas

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Got BIG news for you,

Got BIG news for you, PC...It ain't GONNA happen....It'll be Merry Christmas and December 25th, and no one's gonna change it. Sorry...

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And, we, as Christians, thank

And, we, as Christians, thank God everyday for that.
Merry Christmas, Armymom.

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Ya know, MO4, I've read that

Ya know, MO4, I've read that post a couple more times, and came up with a conclusion. That is one ANGRY lady. It must suck to be that angry at people of faith.

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The parrot, being the liberal

The parrot, being the liberal that he is, chooses to maintain a neutral position on the issue. But, he does concede that he doesn't mind if non-Christians don't want to celebrate the Christmas feast as long as they don't try to prevent the Christians from celebrating it.

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One thing about him; he knows

One thing about him; he knows who feeds him. He pretty much gets away with saying what he wants, but he DOES what I say. His mind will NOT be changed on that issue.

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Nancy it is not a Christmas Tree it is a Yule Tree

Nancy, if you are serious about calling things by their correct name i.e. menorah, not candlabrum, how about starting by forgetting the "Christmas Tree" and calling it by its correct name "Yule Tree." Your "Christmas Tree" is one more example of the theft of the pagan just as the the Christians attempt to steal the pagan holiday Yule and to do so, you Christians went so far as to change the date of birth of your Christ by three months. Every single one of your Christian holidays marks the theft of a pagan holiday right down to the catholic Ennunciation of Mary! All Saints, Christmas, Easter and so on are all thefts of pagan holidays from the date to the intent. Your very religion is founded on paganism which predates your's by thousands of years. So have a little respect and call it a Yule Tree and ditch the Merry Christmas for Happy Yule or Solstice if you must Happy Hollidays; but please leave Christ out of it you are missing his birthday by three months.

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Does the Yule Tide ebb and

Does the Yule Tide ebb and flow?

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flotsam and jetsam......

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I saw a jetsam once, on The

I saw a jetsam once, on The Jetsons.....Merry Christmas to you and yours, V.....

RONALD RIML's picture

And yours.....

And who paves the road to hell with - good intentions, is it??? ;)

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So was Christ born in December? Probably not......

There is much discussion about when the birth of Jesus actually occured, though according to many scholars it was not, in fact, in December. That stable would have been full of sheep and animals in December - the shepherds wouldn't be grazing their flocks at night. There are plenty of links out there to it - just google it. Here's one - there are many, many others:

So why are we celebrating Christ's birth at this time of year, anyway??

To make a long story short, when the Roman Christians had gained enough power and influence in the 5th Century to make Christianity the official religion - they had to win over the remaining pagans.

And what was the major pagan holiday? Saturnalia; which was celebrated on December 25th in the Julian calendar. This riot of drink, lust, and merriment eventually went on for a week:

"The Saturnalia was the most popular holiday of the Roman year. Catullus (XIV) describes it as "the best of days," and Seneca complains that the "whole mob has let itself go in pleasures" (Epistles, XVIII.3). Pliny the Younger writes that he retired to his room while the rest of the household celebrated (Epistles, II.17.24). It was an occasion for celebration, visits to friends, and the presentation of gifts, particularly wax candles (cerei), perhaps to signify the returning light after the solstice, and sigillaria. Martial wrote Xenia and Apophoreta for the Saturnalia. Both were published in December and intended to accompany the "guest gifts" which were given at that time of year. Aulus Gellius relates in his Attic Nights that he and his Roman compatriots would gather at the baths in Athens, where they were studying, and pose difficult questions to one another on the ancient poets, a crown of laurel being dedicated to Saturn if no-one could answer them."

So it was a December Pagan Holiday 'appropriated' by we Christians for our own nefarious ends to build up the membership rolls.

We can wish Christ "Happy Birthday" any day we wish....

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Well, we do know it probably

Well, we do know it probably wasn't July 4th, or Labor Day....
Merry Christmas to you and yours, V....

RONALD RIML's picture

It was Labor Evening.....was it not???

'Tis the Reason for the Season......

I always enjoyed working Christmas Eve and Christmas as a cop. Some A-hole was always screwing it up for someone...and it was fun to make their life miserable. And practice random acts of kindness for the street people (I know you don't believe that one - but I'll give it a try)

Merry Christmas!!!!

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Uh,uh....I'm buying every

Uh,uh....I'm buying every word. I believe you have a great deal of kindness in you.

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Merry Christmahannukwanzica

Merry Christmahannukwanzica

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The parrot sez he'd prefer

The parrot sez he'd prefer Happy Holidays over that potpourri.

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Thanks for explaining all

Thanks for explaining all that to us nefarious roll builders, Pontifex Veritatis. It must be a slow day at the store. Does this month's Hustler come in green and red shrink-wrap?

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And to your 'Gang of Four' - LOL

and He who made them Possible... ;)

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It's better to sell one $800 book yesterday

Than 40 $20 books such as you might look at the pictures in...... Another good deal cooking today.

Quality - not quantity.

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I only read the articles!

Besides, I quit long ago when the price went over $3. $20! Does that come with a certificate of medical cleanliness?

So what's the deal? The Collected Non-Explosive Works of Bill Ayers? How much do you charge for one sheet of paper?

Quality vs. trash. Who have you hired to explain the difference to you? Tron, I bet. He doesn't do anything here, so he has plenty of time on his hands.

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If it's something you wouldn't buy....

I know it's gotta be good!!!

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LMAO.... Merry Christmas,

Merry Christmas, Frosty

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Merry Christmas, Pirate. And

Merry Christmas, Pirate. And Happy Rama-lama-ding-dong-kwanza-kah, Parrot.

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Dec 25th was originally a pagan holiday, Solstice

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”

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That'll be a little tough,

That'll be a little tough, MO4...he tries to eat the lights; thinks they're fireflies, reminiscent of his early days in Barbados. I'll keep him fat and happy on catcnip in his pen. (Almost said cage, but the PC police would've been all over it).
You and your family have a Merry Christmas, also.

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It's a problem with the complainers

I've seen this argument come up over and over and over. What it boils down to is this, the people arguing about it are always offended, not by what they are allowed to say but by what other people say. No one in my memory has ever banned, criminalized, or frowned upon any individuals from saying Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays, writing the word Christmas instead of the popular shortcut Xmas, decorating your house with religious symbols rather than santas, snowmen and plastic smurfs, or in any way celebrating for yourself in your own way. What the complainers are upset with is what others do, like town offices, or retail outlets, or tv commercials or newspaper article headlines. I'll say it the way I want to, and you can say it the way you want to. Simple as that.

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Merry Christmas to you and

Merry Christmas to you and yours, F&H

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My neighbor put up his

My neighbor put up his christmas lights yesterday. I think he is mad because I beat him. I put mine up 3 years ago. Merry Christmas Nancy.

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In college my dorm roommate

In college my dorm roommate was Jewish. We still keep in touch - he sends me a Hanukkah card, I send him a Christmas card. No discomfort or discourtesy. To suggest that those qualities must be present in such an exchange does disrespect to both religions and implies that the suggester doesn't have any friends at all, except perhaps a few who are as closed-minded as he is.


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