Sun Journal changes rules for online commenting

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Sun Journal changes rules

for making online comments

American illustrator Norman Rockwell painted what many consider his masterpiece during World War II, a series of magazine illustrations called "The Four Freedoms."

The first oil painting, titled “Freedom of Speech,” shows a man wearing a flannel shirt and a worn jacket standing among a group of seated adults.

He is addressing the group, his head held high and a folded copy of his town’s annual report in his jacket pocket.

It is a classic New England town meeting, the purest form of democracy, one man, one voice, one vote, citizens debating other citizens.

The obligation to stand behind your words has also been a core principle of journalism and this newspaper for many years.

The Sun Journal does not use unidentified sources in stories. When our readers write a column or letter to the editor for the newspaper they use their real names.

That, we believe, makes them accountable for what they say, plus it adds weight and credibility to their words.

But we have deviated from that principle for the Web, believing for several years that “online” was somehow different than “in print.” Nearly all newspapers have.

While we have known the identity of many people commenting on stories at sunjournal.com, it was difficult or impossible for users to know. As a result, some comments have been factually incorrect, reckless and mean-spirited.

While the technology of the Web is very different, our core principles should remain the same.

Both our website and print newspaper are, in fact, like a town meeting or community gathering.

So, beginning Feb. 1 all online comments at sunjournal.com will be accompanied by the real names of the people commenting. Only registered and verified users will be able to make comments. Anonymous comments will not be allowed.

All commenters, including subscribers and those registered now, will have to re-register under the new system.

Many newspapers, including the Portland Press Herald and the Bangor Daily News, are now taking steps to make Web commenting more responsible and accountable.

But our new system is the most ambitious effort we’ve seen to elevate the level of online discussion.

Plus, most of our current commenters seem to agree. In an online survey, 57 percent said they would prefer that real names accompany online comments.

The Sun Journal’s motto is “Connecting you with your community,” and for more than 160 years this newspaper has knit together Western Maine communities.

The advent of the Web has given us powerful new ways to connect people and allow anyone to become an active part of every discussion.

We know this decision will not please everyone. In time, however, we believe it will result in a better online experience for all.

rrhoades@sunjournal.com

In order to make comments, you must verify your account.

In order to comment on SunJournal.com, you must use your real name and include the town in which you live in your profile. A member of our staff will call you to verify this information. To join in, fill out your user profile completely and check the box "please verify my status." We'll get back to you within one business day to verify your account.

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rufe's picture
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Mystery Photo.B Plus. 12.11.11

Down Pully Wheel from the Historic Worumbo Mill of Lisbon Falls.
Wheel now located opposite of the Former Holy Family Church, corner of School St. and Rt.196.
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verification

So how do I do it?

CynicalCitizen's picture

verification

* click on 'My account' at the top of the page, next to the SunJournal logo
* click on 'Edit my profile' near the bottom of the next page
* check 'Please verify my status' at the bottom of the profile page

CynicalCitizen's picture

and...

you'll need to make sure that you have included a phone number where the web editor can reach you to complete verification

fatandhappy's picture

Honest reporting?

I wonder if when the first SJ poster gets harassed or assaulted, and the police have to get involved, if the SJ will report it?

I would venture to guess that since the SJ would be at fault for forcing personal information to be posted, that they would sweep that story under the rug.

I smell a lawsuit in the future.

where did the values go's picture

Unhappy About the Change

I am not pleased with the change. I get the philosophy behind it but unfortunately you are potentially punishing the many for the actions of the few. I personally do not try to be malicious or un-factual in any of my posts in fact most of my few posts are personal opinions. But I have seen such SLANDEROUS remarks about those whose identity has been revealed either by them putting there name out there or others figuring who they were. I have heard stories of some people calling employers of those posting to say slandering things. I have watched people be accused of being pedophiles (when it MOST CERTAINLY is NOT the case), I have watched others be called very degrading names.

I think Sun Journal would be better served if a user could use their First Name/Last Initial to provide at least a slight form of anonymity because you never know who is reading this information and what they may choose to do with it.

Honestly it is a blog, and my life will not be effected by no longer posting and your lives will not be affected by me no longer posting, but I am choosing to abstain from putting my first and last name on this sort of medium because I do work with youth groups, I do work with the public and I do work for a reputable organization that services the entire state and I do not want my personal opinions to reflect negatively on them.

Good luck with your change and I do hope that it makes some think twice about what they post but believe that you are losing out on some of the less aggressive people by making full disclosure mandatory. Also while you are at it your editorials should have full disclosure on who specifically is writing those as well.

armymom's picture

Letter to Advertisers

Below is a letter I have begun sending to SJ advertisers. The letter going out will of course be signed. I am clicking on links and sending it to each one. Please feel free to use it as a template for your own campaign to save our forum as a safe place to share ideas and opinions.
Dear Sir/Madame

I would like to take this opportunity to wish you and your staff a very happy and successful New Year. That said I would like to call to your attention upcoming changes at the Lewiston Sun Journal where you spend your advertising dollars. I believe that these changes will have a significant effect on the return you see on those all-important dollars as, in my opinion, the changes the Sun is making will drastically reduce readership and visits to their website therefore not only reducing the number viewers of your print ad, but more importantly the number of repeat of views of your online ads.

I would like to begin by letting you know that I have been a faithful subscriber of the Sun for many years and a participant on their online forum since it began a number of years ago. I have enjoyed your ads and found them helpful. I particularly have benefited from your Sun Journal Website ads as have the many family, friends and acquaintances I directed to them. As you know the web is a very dynamic media allowing a small but interesting object/ad to connect/link to a much more detailed and informative website such is the case with your ad with the Sun. My friends, family and I have been able to access your information and website through the Sun Journal to gather information we needed to do business with you. Because of my subscription and participation in the forums I frequently see your ads, am aware of your business and have you always in mine when looking for what you have to offer or hear of someone who is. That is about to change.

On December 22, 2010, the Lewiston Sun Journal announced new rules for participating in the forums which violate basic safety rules recommended by every local, county, state, national and international law enforcement agency, rules that we instruct our children to follow when using any and all websites and hopefully every parent is making certain they do as their very lives may depend upon it. These new rules violate recommendations of banks, lending institutions, the Social Security Administration, Department of Homeland Security and countless other agencies and organizations. The Lewiston Sun Journal is insisting that all participants use their real names rather than pseudonyms in posting creating a tremendous threat to personal and family security and identity theft. They are insisting that age, email address, telephone number, and place of residence also be provided with only telephone number obscured from public view! They claim they will be calling each registrant before Feb 1, the cutoff date for participation using a pseudonym, to “verify” identity. A telephone call is not verification. Certainly anyone on the end of a phone line can claim to be anyone stealing another’s identity if a driver’s license can be obtained after obtaining personal information through sources such as this and using that information to gather the documents needed for DMV. Understandably the very large Sun Journal Forum Family has been deeply upset by the sun journals announced new rules which can be found in the December 22, 2010, edition article “Sun Journal changes rules for online commenting” by Rex Rhoades, Executive Editor and at the online addition at the web address where http://www.sunjournal.com/city/story/956149 where you will also find expressed the intent by many to cancel their print subscriptions and depart the online forum should the Sun Journal insist on implementing these member safety compromising rules changes on February 1.

I hope that you will speak with your Sun Journal advertising sales representative and let them know that you are aware of the impending changes and drop in readership of the print edition and decline in forum participants that will result. I hope that you will advise your sales representative that you are well aware of the significant role that forum members play in your businesses success with their frequent, repeat, and extended visit each day to the Sun Journal website. I hope that you will make your sales representative aware that the loss of this significant and important readership group has a significant impact on the value to you and your business in advertising in the Sun Journal and your advertising dollars are looking for a new home where they will continue to reach this all important segment of the market should the Sun Journal insist on implementing these new rules driving out this vital segment.

I thank you for your time and consideration in this matter so important to all of us. I look forward to being able to enjoying safe participation in the Sun Journal Forums, viewing your advertising, utilizing all your business has to offer and recommending you to my friends, family, and acquaintances through your convenient link on the Sun Journal website and wish you a very happy and successful New Year.

Yours truly,

BenHarrison's picture

As always well said, And Ben

As always well said, And Ben Harrison could not agree more!!

wheelie207's picture
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using real names on comments

I can see it now, some that doesn't like someone they know making a comment on a story turns around and starts making comment about that person to be mean or to ruin their life online. Whats to stop that from happening or someone trying to be someone else and makes personal attacks towards other to just to ruin the real persons life online.

There are lots of people like that because some can't get along or just plain hates the person.
Using real names just makes it possible to have others look up where they live or other things.
Just think about about all those that steal others ID or creates problems for others.
I'll have to see how the new system works out and check the paper to see if crimes against any commenters happens.

I have read in news sites about crimes against story commenters because they didn't like what was written.

flycessna1's picture

Hiding??

Considering that for a long time I used my real name and now I dont I think I know exactly why I dont!

It is not fear and or the freedom of anonymity. The basic fact is the PAPER at least knows who I am and thats just fine for me..

L/A is a small area sort of speak and just like at a party or a family gathering I avoid topics like politics and what not that would do more harm then good... I chose to avoid offending and creating conflict with people I know.. I am rather just a polite person who just the same has an honest opinion.. And I felt that this atmosphere was a great place to discuss current topics and to have HEALTHY and HONEST debates whith out causing perminant damage to relationships..

I am not so sure that this would be the case anymore..

A much more in your face devisive atmosphere will this be where most of the good folks will now choose carefully before expressing their opinions..

Its a choice, I cant say I that I am extremely upset with the decision.. But I dont agree with the reasoning . :)

news4u's picture

Unemployment Line

Guess Preaves will be standing in the unemployment line beginning Feb. 1st. As the Web editor for the Sun Journal she won't have any comments to monitor. I'll join the others who will no longer post after Feb. 1.

citygirl's picture

this is pure crap. boooooo to

this is pure crap. boooooo to the sj.

burnell's picture
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Lunch with Rex.

Lunch with Rex, huh? LOL... pretty useless prize since I live 600 miles away. That may be one of the reasons I'm not quite so concerned about having my name known. That, and as Gil said, I'm well armed.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Well I guess I know who won’t

Well I guess I know who won’t be doing my room next year.

These are not threats at all. If you are unsatisfied with a service offered by a media outlet, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to do something. Otherwise they would never be kept in check.

Make no mistake about it, they are making MONEY off your and my registration, and when I unsubscribe you bet your ass I want ALL their sponsors to know why.

RReady15's picture

To quote the article:

"As a result, some comments have been factually incorrect, reckless and mean-spirited."
Oh, you mean like some of the articles in the newspaper itself? Practice what you preach!

Gil's picture

Like the article today

that the SJ EDITORIAL BOARD wrote calling people "lawbreaker", "gutless", and "backstabbing cowards". Is it not "mean-spirited" when it comes from the pen of the Editorial Board? Speaking of which, whose name is "The Editorial Board" registered under? Is it ok to get your panties in a twist if your sad choice for governor lost? Hypocrisy, thy name is, well, we're not sure since there is no name attributed to the piece.

Scotty_O's picture

Gil....

I happen to know Mr. Editorial Board. We just call him Ed. Here's some inside information.....Ed Board's two children, "Cheers" and "Jeers" also work at the paper. Don't tell anybody, nepotism, like hypocrisy, is always a sore subject with Ed and his kids.

BenHarrison's picture

If these changes take effect

If these changes take effect it will basically turn this comment section into a facebook wall, completely useless to any real debate. It will be only for the established politicos. Can you imagine being called into your Conservative or Liberal/ Pro choice or Pro life/ For gay marriage/against gay marriage and so on, employers office then told that due to complaints about what you posted on the Sun Journal they are going to have to let you go, because they don't think your comments represent the company line!!

RReady15's picture

Yes, thanks SJ. Ruin it for

Yes, thanks SJ. Ruin it for everyone because your online moderators can't do their jobs. See ya!

burnell's picture
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not verified yet

I received the email about this. I followed the link and updated my infomation as requested. I then clicked the link to be verified. That was supposed to prompt a phone call from someone at the paper to verify my information. It has been several days and as yet, I've received no call. I sure hope we aren't going to get to the deadline and not be able to post because of some glitch in the newspaper's IT system. It also seems to me there was some blurb at the end of the email about some kind of drawing if updates were done quickly. Hopefully, I won't miss out on that either. Sure wish there would be some sort of response so I'd know if my efforts accomplished the intended outcome.

rusty's picture

follow the inst

i did the same and i WAS NEVER CONTACTED about this being VERIFIED so what THE HELL GIVES,Rusty cannon

BenHarrison's picture

Well Martha I am glad you

Well Martha I am glad you feel safe 600 miles away over there on Park Ave right next to the river. Is your neighbor running a used car lot out of his back yard or just collect junk!! Anyway Mrs. Burnell I am only proving a point and in no way making a threat just showing everyone how easy it is to get people's info in the google age I won't post your Whole phone number, but you should recognize the last four digits pretty quick 5543!!! 600 miles away it took me 3 minutes to get all your information using what you provided the Sun Journal. Thanks!!!

BenHarrison's picture

Well Martha I am glad you

Well Martha I am glad you feel safe 600 miles away over there on Park Ave right next to the river. Is your neighbor running a used car lot out of his back yard or just collect junk!! Anyway Mrs. Burnell I am only proving a point and in no way making a threat just showing everyone how easy it is to get people's info in the google age I won't post your Whole phone number, but you should recognize the last four digits pretty quick 5543!!! 600 miles away it took me 3 minutes to get all your information using what you provided the Sun Journal. Thanks!!!

Pirate's picture
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What's your phone number? The

What's your phone number? The parrot sez he'll call you and give you the full "skinny".

Frostproof's picture
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If you win the lunch with

If you win the lunch with Rex, make sure ahead of time who is supposed to pick up the tab.

jmyoung's picture
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As usual Gil makes a cogent

As usual Gil makes a cogent and well stated argument. I think the operative word is LSJ is not a public forum. I have enjoyed the opportunity to post here, not as cogently as Gil, but I think it a privaledge not a right offered by this paper. The threats (e-mailing advertisers) is probably why LSJ is implementing these rules, and is a little egocentric. If you ARE cincerned with your privacy or safety, then it is your right not to join or post. So don't join or post.

armymom's picture

30 Advertisers down and unknown number to go

So far I have contacted 30 advertisers none of which was happy to learn of SJs new rules. They are in agreement that the rules would endanger the posters and that they violate all recommendations for safe internet use. They also are in agreeent that instituting the rules would result in greatly reduced exposure of their ads to the public thereby reducing the value of Sun Journal advertising space. I think the Sun Journal may be busy with fallout as the result of this poorly thought out plan for the forum. I also have discovered a number of links that didn't work also reported to the advertisers.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Well I guess I know who won’t

Well I guess I know who won’t be doing my roof next year.

These are not threats at all. If you are unsatisfied with a service offered by a media outlet, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to do something. Otherwise they would never be kept in check.

Make no mistake about it, they are making MONEY off your and my registration, and when I unsubscribe you bet your ass I want ALL their sponsors to know why.

jmyoung's picture
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I rest my case. Why would I

I rest my case. Why would I want to keep LSJ or anyone else in check? I certainly hope they are making money, so they can stay in business. As far as for "making money OFF me?" I sincerely have never ever understood that euphamism. (sp) Gil made comments that, as usual, were really very true and cogent. Mr Harrison made an even more sense as I have seen this happen. The Ladies are concerned for their privacy and safety. So...start your own paper, or your own blog. Then you can make the rules. So don't join or post.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Why would you want to keep

Why would you want to keep your local media outlet in check? - I shouldn't even have to address that question.

So you suggest we simply sit by and let our vendor change their product without input from the customer. Yes, we are a customer. We pay for this service by registering our email, allowing the Sun-Journal to sell advertisements based on the number of subscribed users.

That said, the Sun-Journal will be putting out a product that I feel is not only inferior, but it compromises the safety of its users. You damn right I will say something about it. And if they won't change their product, I will certainly take my business elsewhere, and I will be sure to let those who pay the bills know exactly why I did.

Again, RULE NUMBER 1 of the internet is NEVER post your personal information, EVER!

You don’t even want to know what I can do with only your first and last name.

CommonSense's picture

Time to Start Making the List and Checking It Twice

Time to start on that list of Sun Journal Advertisers and getting out those emails, post cards, greeting cards, and letters letting them know we will no longer be seeing their ads in the Sun Journal or on the website. Time to Make that List and Check It Twice as that Jolly Old Elf would say. HOHOHO SJ, You have made sure our Christmas will not be so Merry and Bright but me thinks, it is your New Year that will be a whole lot less than happy.

jmyoung's picture
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Well Said Rex. It's about

Well Said Rex. It's about time. I applaud the new rules.

taxpayer's picture

First Amendment

Attached is a link to a letter written by a newspaper editor who understands the importance of anonymity in free speech. I hope the editor at the Sun Journal reads it and sleeps on the decision to change the way they do business. http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20091023/ARTICLES/910239974/1203?p...

ronh66's picture
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The Sun Journal...

The sun journal only wants people who agree with the crap they report as news to post...I for 1 have always had my name on my profile but I do not agree with making it mandatory.I will still post my dislike for this slum of a city...And if no one likes it to bad...

Pirate's picture
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The Sun Journal appears to

The Sun Journal appears to have abandoned the "loyal opposition" in favor of the constant whiners. Have it your way. Now all your forums will be full of people who agree with one another. Won't that be nice. Then we can all enjoy cookies and warm milk after the sun sets.
AARRGGHH!!!!. WALK THE PLANK, SJ!!!

Frostproof's picture
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The constant whiners ..

.. haven't managed to find this discussion. Interesting. Perhaps they're just lurking, watching the fun, rubbing their hands in anticipation of the private playground they'll have in Feb. Of course, they'll tire of talking only to each other in about 30 seconds.

It's also interesting that the SJ dropped this blivet(+) around the same time that the FCC (Motto: We doan need no steenkin courts.) announced its unconstitutional power-grab of the internet. Both actions will yield similar results.

(+) 8 pounds of **** in a 4 pound bag

Pirate's picture
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Great observation, Frosty. I

Great observation, Frosty. I sort of wondered around noontime where the whiners were. I think you called it pretty well; the playground's all theirs now. I suspect, though, that within a week to 10 days, they'll have bored each other to death or they'll be fighting among themselves. Ought to be a great party.

Gil's picture

It's funny

I just posted a response to the losing gubernatorial candidate's lawsuit against an anti Cutler website. In that response I cited the Supreme court ruling on the fact that anonymous speech is protected free speech. The Supreme Court has ruled in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission in 95 "Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society." Before our country was even founded, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay wrote the Federalist Papers under the pseudonym "Publius." Other pieces were written under Americanus. As early as 1733 Ben Franklin wrote "Poor Richard's Almanack" under the pseudonym Richard Saunders. He also wrote into papers using the name Silence Dogood. Anonymous speech has been protected at a state level also. In Talley v. California, the Supreme Court shot down a Los Angeles ordinance banning all types of anonymous pamphlets - political, commercial, or otherwise. The court explained that the "identification requirement would tend to restrict freedom to distribute information and thereby freedom of expression."
Granted the SJ is not a public institution and may set whatever guidelines they want, but there is such a thing as consequences. I have used my real name on here since I started posting, but I will not divulge any private information. Come Feb 1, I will no longer be posting on here, as others have also stated. This is a free site and posting doesn't cost us a dime, but the advertisers may notice when the hits on this site drop. As it stands right now I would guess the majority of those hits come from posters on these comment sections. Others may check out the site once a day, get the stories and weather, but then they are gone. The posters tend to return several times daily. I would ask every poster on here that said that they would not use this site after Feb1 to actually carry through with it. As I said, the site is private and can conduct business however they want. Then again, we are free to not use a service that pretends that the First Amendment only applies to them. Anonymous speech IS free speech, and a newspaper, above all news outlets, should treat it as such. There is no rationale or logic behind this change other than to allow the SJ to show who is saying what. I stand behind everything I write,and I fear no reprisals. But then again, I'm 6'1, 260, well armed, and well trained. Some of the posters, as Nancy1 and Armymom have stated, are not. I don't rely on local businesses for my business as most of my work is done out of state, and even out of the country. So I don't have to worry about a loss of business from ticked off customers over something I wrote in the paper. Others, like Ben, have stated the opposite, running a local business. So there are plenty of reasons for wishing to remain anonymous. The entire spirit of discourse on here is predicated on the fact that you are pretty much shielded because others do not know your private information.
I hope the SJ reads all of these comments and takes them as seriously as they were intended.

Pirate's picture
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Great post, Gil...we're with

Great post, Gil...we're with you, Bud.

Frostproof's picture
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Amen.

Amen.

armymom's picture

Thank you everyone

Thank you everyone for your valuable insight. You have raised many very valid points that I had not considered, some as a mother I am quite ashamed I had not considered when I first joined and put my name in my profile. I have been preaching at my children as have so many of the rest of you for how many years not to include identifying information in websites like this. We tell our kids do not give your age, where you live, your name, your gender, the school you go to, your address, not even your town, county, state or COUNTRY. ..and what have I done? I have put my name, gender, and the town I live in along with my political views and a lot of other personal information in these pages for the whole world to read. In registering I provided this website with my name, email adress, age, town of residence, and have now compounded those sins by adding my phone number! If one of my kids did this I would be absolutely balistic. I have discussed been discussing this with my husband and chatting with our deployed son since reading all or your very educational comments and we have decided to remove all of our identifying information from our profiles along with the telephone numbers we submitted as requested by SJ. We will place in the comment section the following message which you are free to copy and past into yours as well.

After careful consideration, I have determined that it is both inadvisable and unsafe to provide my true name, telephone number, or any other identifiable information to this website in accordance with standard recommendations by local, state, federal, and international law enforcement. I therefore have removed all identifying information from my profile and shall refuse to provide any such information in the future should it be requested. Feel free to delete me from participation in your forum if you so choose knowing that in so doing you assure that I shall terminate my subscription to your publication/website and advise your advertisers of same.

After posting this message my husband and I will begin making calls to friends and family who we know are participants or maybe participants and encouraging them to do as we are. We will encourage them to read all of your comments as well as we believe you all have made an outstanding case for taking this action. We can hope that SJ will see the error of the course they are endeavoring to take; if not we can make the most of the remaining month of a forum made quality by its members then notify SJ advertisers of our exodus. Best Wishes and Safe Posting to All.

Angel's picture

Once again armymom, GREAT

Once again armymom, GREAT post. I for one, will NOT be on here after the mandatroy name etc.
pirate, i will miss your humor for sure!

Pirate's picture
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Thanks, Angel...best of luck

Thanks, Angel...best of luck to you.

Frostproof's picture
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Rex et al:

You can wrap it in the flag and Norman Rockwell and traditional values all you want, but what you're really trying to do is put a leash on the 6 or 8 idiots who spoil the place for everyone. I applaud that effort, but it's impossible without doing the same thing you want to eliminate - spoil it for everyone.

armymom just delivered an eloquent statement of the usual result of the law of unintended consequences. People will vote with their feet and their checkbooks and you'll be left trying to decide what else to drop from your paper to make up for the upcoming decline in readership. Anyone remember the printed TV book?

You have made your decision, and you have every right to do so. After all, your run a private enterprise, not some government social tinkering democracy. But I'm curious. Have the Costellos expressed an opinion on the matter?

Pirate's picture
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Best wishes to you, Armymom.

Best wishes to you, Armymom. The Pirate may follow suit as well, and cancel everything out, including my subscription to the Journal. I'm sure, my carrier, who has just received a pretty good Christmas tip, will be happy to find out that he's lost another customer. The parrot sez he wants to continue posting on the site, but he can't type or spell for squat, so I don't think he'll last very long.
Good luck.

BenHarrison's picture

Sun Journal after Feb 1: I

Sun Journal after Feb 1: I just read a post from Nancy Jones, Well I guess I wont be buying Mary Kay from her anymore. Patti Smith!!
I just read a post Dave Jones about the Bush tax credit, Well he wont be doing my taxes anymore!!
I just read a post from Jen Dow, I don't think she is fit to teach my children, I'm calling the school board in the morning!!
I just read a post from Mr Wells I guess that's the last pair of shoes I buy at his store!!
Getting the point, When Tron shows up for his Lobotomy, will he be comfortable knowing his Brain Surgeon is Ben Harrison!!!

Pirate's picture
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LMAO....good stuff, Ben.

LMAO....good stuff, Ben.

BenHarrison's picture

Pirate LYAO HUH what you

Pirate LYAO HUH what you think I'm some kind of clown here to amuse you!! Well next time I see your Parrot toting peg leg butt at Hannaford I'll whip that smile off your face!!! Now that's funny Luv ya Pirate!!! SJ should walk the plank matie!!

Pirate's picture
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LOL....See below.

LOL....See below.

Frostproof's picture
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You mean you think he hasn't

You mean you think he hasn't already had ... Wait, mustn't take the chance of offending. Oh, well, I'll just post the kind of comment you'll be getting after 2/1: Can't we all just get along? Have a nice day! |-)

Nancy1's picture

Rex

Good for you that you feel safe and comfortable. If your name was Roxanne, you were single and lived alone (or with your little ones) you might have a different take on it.
I still have not heard how your paper intends to make the verification process foolproof. If I register under the name Parrot O. Pirate, give a phone number for verification and say "Yep, my name is Parrot O. Pirate" when I get a call from the SJ who is going to call me a liar? How about phones shared by more than one commenter in a household? How is requiring a phone call going to prove someone is who they say they are?

Pirate's picture
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Nancy: You've just handed the

Nancy: You've just handed the parrot his moment of fame and glory. Do you have any idea how difficult that little sucker is going to be to live with for the next 2-3 weeks? He's apt to grow his feathers back. 0O:-)
Good post, though.

BenHarrison's picture

Yup well put a $29.00 burn

Yup well put a $29.00 burn phone and Ben Harrison is as real as anyone else!!!!

Nancy1's picture

And how about same names, different people

When I registered here, the name I wanted was taken, I had to have something different and unique in order to post. My real name is very common, what if someone with the same name as mine starts posting comments that people find outrageous or offensive? What is my recourse to avoid fallout from the reading public who think the poster is me; how do I protect my own name?
This is just a bad idea all around.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

I wonder if the S-J is simply

I wonder if the S-J is simply trying to cash-in on the “Wiki-leaks” popularity… What next, revealing our bank statements?

Angel's picture

KNOPHL1C7...funny you said

KNOPHL1C7...funny you said 'bank statement'....not to long ago I went into a local grocery store. I had shopped there often and always used check. This time they would take it..unless I had one of 'their' check cashing cards. I asked why?, she said " the manager is tried of bounced checks, and she will no longer take them from anyone without one of our cards" So, I took the app. and to my HORROR, when reading it, they wanted my SS number, my BANK ACCOUNT ###, my full name, address, phone #, place of employment, their address and phone #... spouses name, and spouses info.. Needless to say i said Screw you, and did not shop there for a long time. They lost a LOT of business! They now take checks again! So, KON, it would not suprise me if the Sj does ask for even more info....

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I could not be more against

I could not be more against this, it discourages posters from expressing their true feelings on a topic without fear of reprisal. Opening up this blog and exposing the posters real identities ensures posters will censor their comments for fear of offending a neighbor a business associate or even their boss. It ensures that the third grade teacher at Montello wont comment on a Somali article for fear of being called to the principles office, it ensures that the used car salesman wont comment on a political story for fear of losing customers, it ensures the cop on the beat wont comment at all!! It ensures that local political figures will keep their two cents to themselves, it ensures that most of us will stop bothering to air our opinion on here all together!! L/A is a small town we all know each other we don't always agree with each other, but most of us are respectful to our friends and neighbors. Removing the anonymity of this blog takes away the posters ability to say what they really think and feel!! Believe me their are some people on here I would really rather not have to read their nonsensical ramblings however their are also some great comments and great points of you from time to time, that I am sure will go away. Sun Journal reconsider don't ruin a perfectly good thing!!! MY two cents!!!

thinkbeforeyouspeak's picture

Your comparison fails you

The Deep Throat analogy is flawed. Deep Throat was a confidential source; "confidential" means that he was still known to the reporter (Bob Woodward) who reported on the information acquired from Deep Throat (later in life known to be FBI Associate Director Mark Felt). Moreover, Deep Throat didn't write in the Washington Post; his information only made it into the paper after being filtered by the reporters. Confidential sources are indeed valuable to journalists, who fight doggedly to protect the identities of their sources. In turn, they are valuable to the public who is better informed as a consequence of the investigative journalism that confidential sources can enable. But there is some accountability for the confidential source, since the source is known to the journalist, who can attempt to corroborate claims made by the source and who can, as I suggested, filter out inflammatory statements that are of no informative value. The Sun Journal's new policy addresses a completely different matter: anonymous online comments. As I understand it, it is designed to prevent "factually incorrect, reckless and mean-spirited" comments from entering into the online discourse, as they now can and with little if any accountability for the poster. Perhaps some of you who are libertarian absolutists will object to that, but you are incorrect in suggesting that this policy change will jeopardize would-be whistleblowers. It won't. To be sure, if you want the Sun Journal to become a more robust source for investigative journalism, then perhaps you want to lobby them to amend their prohibition on unidentified sources in their reporting, but that's a different issue. This particular policy change will have no impact on any local Deep Throats, and so that argument is a red herring.

BenHarrison's picture

The Norman Rockwell painting

The Norman Rockwell painting "freedom of speech" of the town meeting was a nice touch to letter. However There's an old saying that you should never discuss sex, politics or religion in polite company, and that's what's discussed on this blog everyday. I don't discuss religion or politics with my clients for a very good reason, OK mostly because offending one or some could cost me some real money!! That being said most people will not speak their minds if they can be called out for it at the grocery store, ball game or around the water cooler!! I am not talking about the Jackwagons that get on hear and throw insults and ridicule slandering anyone they can, Those people will still be here because that's what they do that's who they are. It's the regular folks that like to put their Two Cents in from time to time that will be lost to this blog!
Guys like Ben Harrison and if you are still wondering that is in fact not my real name but I don't hide behind anonymity on here I shield those whom I respect and care about in my real life that I would never give my real opinion on certain topics to because it would ruin friendships severe business connections and so on. And at the end of the day I thought that's really what blogs like this were supposed to be in the first place, a place where one could post their opinion on even the most sensitive of topic (Muslim relations, President Obama, The health care takeover, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) without fear of repercussions, for having an unpopular opinion.

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Well stated, Ben..good post

Well stated, Ben..good post

Angel's picture

Mr Rhoades...it is your JOB

Mr Rhoades...it is your JOB to report things..it is your JOB..your CHOICE to be in the 'spotlight'. It is not our job to do so. Those of us who blog on here are everyday common folk, who finally found a way to express our concerns, fears, dislikes, and yes, even our happiness, in a informal, casual way with NO FEAR of retaliation in any way...except someone who blogs on here, in which the SJ took care of that.
You are now asking us to put out OUR personal infomation, and then blog about our fears, concerns, dislikes about things..are you nuts thinking that none of us will be contacted at our homes?? As I said, I live in the town the biggest casino NO sponcer is from. I have NO DOUBT that if my name an address is made public, that i WILL be contacted by these nuts. NO THANK YOU...I do not need that. And you really think that when the political events come around that the wackos ( on both sides..I will be fair!) will not contact the ones they have 'real' issues with?? Get real Mr Rhoads. This is not your "Norman Rockewll" world anymore....I will NOT give my real name and address for all to see in any type log such as this....I hope this fails you miserably, and your sponsers see that most of us are NOT going to continue. I read there is a survey to take on yes or no....I didn't see one. But i ill bet the 57% you posted are the ones who WANT to know who said that about them..and they WILL contact them once they know.....

tired's picture

SHAME

SHAME ON THE SUNJOURNAL! If I want to criticize the PO-PO for their crummy seatbelt checkpoints, I should be able to do so without fear of retaliation. Shame. The current system was working just fine, with moderators deleting comments that went over the top.

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Commenting rules

I want to thank everyone for the feedback on the new commenting rules, and I would like to add one observation on the safety issue. My name has appeared in newspapers for more than 35 years and online for about a dozen years. My real name. My address has also been in the local phone book for nearly all of that time. I have written columns, editorials and news stories, some of which no doubt angered some people. Yet, over all of those years, I have never had an angry person come to my home or try to hurt me. I do not believe this has happened to anyone on our staff, either. Thousands of people have written letters to the editor over the years, all bearing their real names. I am not aware of anyone ever having been injured by someone they offended. Among the risks we face in our lives, like driving a motor vehicle, felling a tree, swimming in a lake or climbing a ladder, the risk you are talking about here has to be statistically miniscule.

BenHarrison's picture

Everything in life has some

Everything in life has some degree of risk, Like riding a Zorb!! Rex I am sure all the articles you write go through channels over there at SJ and someone approves what you write!! You are an instrument of the SJ most people would recognize that and not hold you personally responsible for your contrubutions to the paper!! Well we are not journalists we are citizens of this community that post our opinons on a topic, if these opinions are politically correct or not, if these opinions are tolerant or not, if these opinions are popular or not with general tone of the times is the responsibility of the poster not the SJ. The people of this community will hold the posters responsibe for their words, My neighbor may slash my tires for my comments on wealfare, my boss may fire me for my comments on The bush tax cuts, my clients might seek services elseware for comments on the somali gangs roaming the streets, My wife, mother or children might be put in danger for my opinion on the wars when I am confronted at the Grocery store. Sun Journal is being very short sighted here most professional people of this community with a reputation and standing in this community WILL NOT POST here anymore period and frankly those are the people I want to here from!! With the Print news on it's death bed, online news is the future and blogs are the cornerstone of that online future and this CHANGE will Destroy the online version of the Sun Journal.

Pirate's picture
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We're not in Kansas anymore,

We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto....

fatandhappy's picture

Rex Rhoades

You are paid to take these risks, we aren't. You choose to take these risks, we don't.

And I dare say that your position with the SJ puts you into close contact with the police and city hall, and would gaurantee you better police response and protection than any of us would get. I am sure Mayor Gilbert would see that all of the resourses at his disposal would be utililized. We are nobody, but the city would go on full alert if you or your got harassed, assaulted or threatened. We would be lucky if the police filled out a report if we got harrassed or threatened.

Comparing your situation to ours is unfair and insulting.

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hey Fat and Happy

I will miss you, I too am leaving SJ land forever !!!! see my earlier post. My main concern is my safety and the safety of my family. I tried to have an intelligent one on one email with Rex, I thought him to be flippent about the whole situation. Protecting ones identity is no laughing matter. I agree that the days of Norman Rockwell are long gone by.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

The threat is very real

The threat is very real Rhoades. Your information could be abused currently without you even knowing. “Statistically miniscule” does not mean “non-existent”. Why put your faithful readers at even a “miniscule” risk?

I would like to point out – For those who like to enjoy the anonymity and feel protected from police retaliation; I have personally been called out by an officer for comments posted on the Sun-Journal. Local Law enforcement knows very well who you are and what you say, and no doubt the Sun-Journal is very liberal with your information in that regard.

This is an issue of random private citizens having your personal information, and doing with it what they wish.

The FIRST rule of using the internet is DO NOT POST YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION. It is a rookie move. It’s like posting pictures of your kids on Facebook.

armymom's picture

KONPHL1C7 You may be on to something

I hadn't thought about it before, that may be why CandiceAnne was left standing in her kitchen aiming a gun at the door for 46 min with no police response to her 911 call for the attempted home invasion.

Pirate's picture
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If all of the above is true,

If all of the above is true, why such a big flap about name identity, then?

Tired's picture

Hmmm...

How wonderful for you. Didn't the SJ recently run a story about some "father" who was just let out of prison and "found" his "son" on Facebook and showed up at the school? How dare you try to tell us that the risk is not real! The risk of getting blown up on a plane is also statistically miniscule, but the government still sees fit to grope my junk! The odds of me running into another car head on at 55mph and being sent flying through the window to land and go splat on the pavement is statistically miniscule, but I'm still forced to wear my seatbelt. I've read quite a lot of insightful comments in these forums by "anonymous" posters. Unfortunately, that's all going to end. What a shame that people will be afraid to post their honest opinions and insider information. Now the SJ gets to control the information, and that's really what they're after.

Pirate's picture
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Bingo....well stated, Tired.

Bingo....well stated, Tired.

Nancy1's picture

The world of Norman Rockwell

Norman Rockwell, reallllly???? I have news for Rex, the world of Norman Rockwell is long gone. In its place is the world of stalkers, anonymous phone calls in the middle of the night, slashed tires, and people with little moral compass but with a strong sense of self serving entitlement and outrage at anyone who dares to criticize their actions.
I predict your comments section will dwindle down to nothing.
BTW, how exactly do you plan to "verify" that someone is who they say they are? A phone call? In the age of unlisted cell phones, what will be proved about the person answering? Anyone can claim they are whatever name they choose, and when they get a call from the SJ on the number they listed they can say, "Oh sure, Sun Journal, yep, I'm so and so."

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Take it one-step further people...

You see all those advertisements on the edges of this page? those are the fine folks who sponsor this website, who make it all possible for the Sun-Journal to "knit together Western Maine communities."

Why not send a quick little email to these sponsors and let them know that as of February 1st, due to the Sun-Journals intent to distribute your personal information on their website, you will no longer be an active member of the Sun-Journal community.

Perhaps with a little persuasion by the almighty dollar the Sun-Journal will re-think their decision.

joe public's picture

the only post you will now

the only post you will now see are from a select fewthat DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THE SJ ! Case in point while still using my REAL INFO after a post that did not agree with someone they came to my place of work in a Mad fit of RAGE!! Needless to say I did not feel it was warrented as thus post as not me ,only because not what I was saying but because of that incident !Just another way for the paper to hold control over its viewers! Maybe Ill get my news else where !

Angel's picture

You won't be seeing me post

You won't be seeing me post anymore, for all the reasons that have been stated. It is rare that any 'bad' posts get left on here. The SJ's job is to moniter this for bad language, and bad remarks. With all the identity theft, break ins, and vandalisum going on now, I do not want my real name and address on here for all to see. So I disagree with someone and i state that here. Or I disagree with an issue like the casino. Sad to say I live in dennis B's home town. I have been a supporter of the casino from day 1. How do I know those nuts won't do something to my home? or look up my phone # and start to call me? start to mail me things.... NO THANK YOU...Sj says it won't publish your phone number? HELLO..... Unlessyou have an unpublished number to begin with, your phone # is public once they have your NAME...you are just ALL WRONG SJ.....I am done with you completly. I stopped my paper sub. because I had to choose if I wanted to pay $200. a year to read the paper, or have the money to pay for internet. I loved reading the paper in the morning with my coffee...but just couldn't afford it anymore. Then I discovered I could read it on line! Then i discovered i coudl actually comment on articals. It was great. Now you have taken even that simple pleasure away too....BYE BYE SJ..once we are REQUIRED to give out personal info. I am out of here.....

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They don't care, Angel. No

They don't care, Angel. No business gives a squat any more. I told my bank once that the only thing that kept me from changing banks was the knowledge that no one at my bank would give a damn. The response I got was, "When do you plan on making the change?"

Pirate's picture
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Well stated, Angel...the

Well stated, Angel...the parrot sez he's gonna miss ya.

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Commenting- Putting your name by your words online

Congratulations Sun Journal.
I have always put my name on any site I have registered for and if not allowed to than as much of it as allowed in the user name.
Sadly I could sometimes figure out who the author was by their old and tired tirade,the lies and fear they spread AND that never made the "comments a "discussion" or in any way constructive rather destructive.
I also participated in a live chat and was attacked by people hiding behind other names clearly lying with a political agenda- yet figured out who they were.
Stand by what you say. If it is factual- and you can prove it, what do you have to hide behind. If it is merely your opinion - than own it.
Only those who spew lies and attack with anger and hate and fear will fight this or oppose it. I am thrilled and now might find a discussion of current issues worth engaging in.
Thank you Sun Journal!!

salemgirl1's picture

Identity

I agree with the vast majority that giving all our personal info is certainly setting up for retailiation. I did express this concern in a private email to Rex. He, in my opinion totally disregarded my fears and real concerns. In case you haven't notice there are alot of whacko's out there. Once someone gets ahold of your name there are endless ways of being tracked down. At this rate might as well throw out The Whistler Blowers Act ... So I, like others will use another resource to access news. My response to Ms Tara, was that the name you were given at birth ?

armymom's picture

When you don't contribute it is easy to post with your name

It is easy to put your name on your posts when you are a non-contributor with only 3 postsincluding this one in your 1 yr 25 wks on the forum.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

It has nothing to do with

It has nothing to do with wanting to spread lies or propaganda – It is a safety issue, and it should not be taken lightly.

I wouldn’t expect the older generation to fully grasp just how much damage one can do with just a name. With a few keystrokes I could turn just about anyone’s life upside-down if I wanted to.

K0NPHL1C7's picture

That is absolutely

That is absolutely ridiculous.

The FIRST rule of posting on the internet is NEVER using your real information. What a rookie move by the Sun-Journal.

Pirate's picture
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POW....right out of the park.

POW....right out of the park. Good post, KON...

K0NPHL1C7's picture

Thanks - They just don't get

Thanks - They just don't get it how valuable that little bit of information can be.

I mean just the tip of the iceberg, but lets just say for instance I don't like you. Now I have your name, which means I can get your address and marital status. Oh you are married? I wonder if your wife would appreciate all the "Gay porn" literature" you will now be receiving on a daily basis. Or how about the late-night calls from random women? Or responses to the Craigslist add "You" posted looking for "Company"....

Get it Sun-Journal?

Pirate's picture
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You may have blown your

You may have blown your chance of lunch with Rex by that post, KON....0O:-)

K0NPHL1C7's picture

I’d like to add; I am a

I’d like to add; I am a member of dozens of forums, a regular poster on at least 20 different blogs, and I have been a forum user since before the S-J was online…. I have NEVER seen an admin abuse their power like this. Might as well post their address to Sun-J, and all of their public records for that matter. Let the stalking begin.

ConservaMom's picture

Well this effectively puts an

Well this effectively puts an end to my posting on this site. Although I don't post often, I refuse to reveal my identity on line in a forum like this. I'm a conservative, single woman who lives alone in a very rural area and I'm not interested in having my privacy infringed upon by someone who disagrees with something I might have said. Bad move SJ. Think I'll start getting my news from the Morning Sentinel from now on.

Pirate's picture
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Way to tell 'em, CM...

Way to tell 'em, CM...

Pirate's picture
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This is the first step

This is the first step towards phone calls of "heavy breathers" in the middle of the night, followed by anonymous letters in the mail.

Frostproof's picture
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Which is exactly why, months

Which is exactly why, months ago, I removed my real name from the account page and changed my screen name.

This policy will demand blandness in the name of civility. On 2/1 you'll be able to hear your echo in here. But it sure will be tolerant and diverse!

Pirate's picture
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The sound of crickets in the

The sound of crickets in the background will be deafening. But then, many who frequent these blogs have the capacity to walk into and empty room and engage in spirited debate.

northwoods's picture

Pirate, I thought you liked

Pirate, I thought you liked that. I will stop it now! SORRY

Pirate's picture
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Wammmooo!!!. It finally came

Wammmooo!!!. It finally came to me, NW....man, was I slow on that one. Your 6:46 was really funny; good one.

Pirate's picture
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I'm a little slow this

I'm a little slow this morning, NW, and you've lost me, but whatever it was, there is absolutely no need to apologize.

sweetfern's picture
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ID the writer

You go SJ. I've read so many stupid posts in the past 6 months written by idiots who write crap knowing they can publish anything without accountability it was beginning to destroy my desire to join in the discussion.
Al Pelletier Norway Maine

Pirate's picture
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..."idiots who write

..."idiots who write crap"..
Way to go, Al. One week and 6 days and you're already into name calling. You'll fit right in with the whine set.

sweetfern's picture
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Yup, Crap

Get a job and a life, Al Pelletier

sweetfern's picture
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honest discussion

Every post I have read about my comments are honest and heart felt and I understand, but If your an American and you have the courage to say the words John Hancock, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson said ,and identified themselves in our Constitution under fear of execution , then the Sun Journal forum is kids play. Good night

armymom's picture

sweetfern- member 1 wk 6 days

I will take your contribution under advisement giving it the weight it deserves given your membership here for the oustounding perioud of 13 DAYS!

sweetfern's picture
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time on line

Hi there Armymom, This is Al Pelletier telling you that I have been a contributer to Letters to the Editor for over 15 years. Some like what I write and others don't, but speaking my mind and telling you who these typing hands are connected to has never frightened me. I always try to keep my letters civil and have, on occasion, complimented the SJ staff for slapping my around when I get really mouthy. Please keep in mind, this web site belongs to
the Sun Journal as does their newspaper. If you want to jump in the playpen and play, you have to play by their rules or stay out.

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Ben Harrison, Fatandhappy,

Ben Harrison, Fatandhappy, Veritas, Momof4, Armymom, Northwoods, Old Bill, ScottyO, Gil, PublicWerks, et al.....It's been nice, guys. The Sun Journal seems to have subscribed to the government's approach to life...."IF IT AIN'T BROKE, FIX IT UNTIL IT'S BROKE".

Scotty_O's picture

Pirate...

It's been a hoot. But my time here is coming to an end. I have changed my moniker to a cricket, a critter that makes a sound that will ravage these chat boards on the first of February....

armymom's picture

My legal name is in my

My legal name is in my profile and always has been. Many others like Tron, use a nickname on the page but have their names in their profile. I see nothing wrong with this whatsoever. We have all just chosen to use a nick over our posts that expresses something in our personalities or that we feel is important, in my case I consider military service and raising children to serve (two sons in the army) important and to be appreciated therefor armymom. I have especially enjoyed the Pirate and the Parot, have no problem with the nicks which serve an excellent purpose. I also have no problem with those who do not disclose their identity. It is much more important to have the constructive imput, the disclosures that to have the suppliers name. Why do you think we have so few participating in town meetings that most towns have done away with them as the voting portion of their town government like Rumford has? People get harrassed for what they say! Businesses with owners/investors or employees who speak out find themselves the subject of multiple unannounced inspections and often unfounded "violations" or nitpicking. Contractors who speak up or have employees who do have difficulty getting permits, are left standing around with "no show" inspectors on jobs they are doing, and then not pass for no reason other than to hold up the job and punish the contractor by costing him money on the heldup job. Local merchants can't get response when an officer is needed, have the fire department or code enforcement show up for excessive, unscheduled, unannounced inspections that turn up questionable violations, difficulty getting/renewing licenses, liquor and tobacco enforcement that is "so over worked they can't check out complaints" suddenly having lots of time to run "stings" at their place when there have been no problems, just for starters. As someone else wrote individual citizens are subject to harassment by police. Besides government if you own a business you also have to worry about retaliation by customers who and noncustomer who don't agree. If you have a job you have to worry about retaliation by your employer and harassment by co-workers and supervisors on the job who don't agree with you. Let's face it Maine is not a tolerant place. The use of nicks has allowed many excellent contributors to participate who otherwise would not and now will not be able to; this should further reduce the SJ readership which is something I wonder if they have considered. Reduced readership/circulation means reduced rates for advertising equals reduced revenues for the paper. Can SJ really afford to lose anymore readers? Have they really thought this through? I myself was under the impression that we would continue to write under our nicks with our names in profiles and verified by a call from SJ. I have been wondering how SJ is going to make the hundreds if not thousands of calls to verify and just how much this will cost them? I supplied my number as soon as I received the email, with this added change, I am rethinking my continued participation as I can see many other regular members are also rethinking continuing. If I do pull out I will drop the paper altogether. If I see a significant dropping out overall or a dropping out by many of the contributors I value, I will drop out and cancel since the paper will have lost its value to me. I expect that I am not alone in my feelings. I wonder if SJ has taken the likelihood of a mass reader exodus into consideration? I do not think these changes where well though out and SJ should quickly reconsider before they lose a significant portion of not only their readership but a significant portion of the content of the paper as well as a vital source of leads.

Pirate's picture
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Thanks for the kind words,

Thanks for the kind words, Armymom..As usual, your post is the equivalent of another bull's-eye. Spot on.

Angel's picture

Very well said armymom..and a

Very well said armymom..and a huge THANK YOU to your sons for their service to our country...

Pirate's picture
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It's overkill at the highest

It's overkill at the highest level. I agree that people should be clearly and properly identified in their profiles with full (real) name and phone number, the phone number being accessible ONLY to SJ and staff. But, eliminating the usernames really sucks. Those are fun and hurt no one. Being a pirate is perfectly harmless as long as his comments are within the established guidelines. If properly registered, which is now mandatory, any poster has access to the Pirate's true identity if that is important to them, and, his phone number is protected, although the SJ knows it and has access to it. But, the new system is all one sided and suits only the Sun Journal. More importantly, what the hell am I going to do with this parrot who now thinks I'm gonna have to get rid him and replace him with a dog or cat? He's so upset that he's molted himself into total nakedness. Thanks a lot, SJ.

northwoods's picture

Pirate, just logged out and

Pirate, just logged out and you can bring up your name without being a poster to the site.

Pirate's picture
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That's not good, is it?

That's not good, is it?

northwoods's picture

I have a question for the SJ.

I have a question for the SJ. How many people that blog under their real name have been banned or forced on a "vacation" compared to bloggers that don't put their real name?

armymom's picture

Doesn't hold water

I can think of two people right off the top of my head with polar opposite views who either post(ed) under their own names or have/had their names in their profiles that have been forced on a "vacation" as you so elloquently put it northwoods. Candiceanne posted under her name and had her full name in her profile. She was booted for telling the truth and has refused to return. Tron uses a pseudonym in his posts but that links to his profile where he discloses his true identity. Obviously neither of these people have had a problem speaking out and having it known who they are taking responsibility for what they had to say, and SJ booted them anyway. That said, the arguement the reason for the change is to prevent abuse yada yada yada definitely does not hold water.

Gary52's picture
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Personally, I like the idea.

Personally, I like the idea. If someone wants to spew forth with insults and BS, then man up and be counted. Gary Savard.

BenHarrison's picture

Well Gary I completly

Well Gary I completly disagree your post. Posting those pictures of you at the beach on your Facebook page the day you called in Sick for work was bad enough now with these comments you have made on Sun Journal, I think we really need to reconsider your place with this company please be in my office first thing in the morning.
Sincerly Your Boss
Is what this comment section will turn into after FEB 1
Truely yours Ben Harrison

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There was once a time

when people could speak their minds without getting all paranoid about somebody stalking them or their family members. It is a sad thing that the people in this forum are that paranoid.
We have liberals and conservatives, left and right wingers. republicans democrats libertarians and socialists, and everything in between in this forum and aside from some snide remarks about income sources and intelligence, there has never been a threat of physical violence that I've seen.
The way I see it, if you can say it here, you shouldn't be afraid of saying it publicly on a soapbox. If you can't say what you believe in while showing your face, you really don't believe in what you're saying.
I'm not afraid and those of you who have always used their real names here apparently aren't either. I applaud those of you who are still here after 2/01/11. Those of you who hide from Big Brother, if that's what you're afraid of,only make him stronger by hiding.

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Oh Boy we could complain

Oh Boy we could complain about the city, state, police & goverment without fear of Retailation from them which is why so much more has been said about our goverment here as well as before the paper enacted the policy to remove anon letters to the editor, we all know how corrupted this area is as well as its history of corruption so if you write something bad about your police dept. expect to get a few tickets they will watch you like a hawk and they have the resources to do so, or maybe the public works 'OH WERE SORRY FOR PILING ALL THAT SNOW IN FRONT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY". Today we are afraid of goverments big hand and the sun journal has been a supporter of a lot of the corruption in the past and the rag will continue to due so. This is just another way for the system to control our speech, maybe they should take a history lesson and find that all democracy was ruted in anon complaints. This is a BAD DECISION on the part of the paper and hope they do allow freespeech and by the way what would have happened to deep throat if they knew thier real name had to be used, or a witness to gang murder you think they would risk thier lives and thier family if not for anonymous tagline.

thinkbeforeyouspeak's picture

Sorry

'Apologies for the triplicate post. The site froze when I tried to upload and so I hit "save" a second time and refreshed the page. Apparently, that was sufficient to post it two extra times. Oy.

thinkbeforeyouspeak's picture

Fixit, your comparison fails you.

The Deep Throat analogy is flawed. Deep Throat was a confidential source; "confidential" means that he was still known to the reporter (Bob Woodward) who reported on the information acquired from Deep Throat (later in life known to be FBI Associate Director Mark Felt). Moreover, Deep Throat didn't write in the Washington Post; his information only made it into the paper after being filtered by the reporters. Confidential sources are indeed valuable to journalists, who fight doggedly to protect the identities of their sources. In turn, they are valuable to the public who is better informed as a consequence of the investigative journalism that confidential sources can enable. But there is some accountability for the confidential source, since the source is known to the journalist, who can attempt to corroborate claims made by the source and who can, as I suggested, filter out inflammatory statements that are of no informative value. The Sun Journal's new policy addresses a completely different matter: anonymous online comments. As I understand it, it is designed to prevent "factually incorrect, reckless and mean-spirited" comments from entering into the online discourse, as they now can and with little if any accountability for the poster. Perhaps some of you who are libertarian absolutists will object to that, but you are incorrect in suggesting that this policy change will jeopardize would-be whistleblowers. It won't. To be sure, if you want the Sun Journal to become a more robust source for investigative journalism, then perhaps you want to lobby them to amend their prohibition on unidentified sources in their reporting, but that's a different issue. This particular policy change will have no impact on any local Deep Throats, and so that argument is a red herring.

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Good post, fix....you nailed

Good post, fix....you nailed it pretty well.

EyeRoll's picture

Aaaaawwwwww Shiiiiii....

Bwahahaha to all those who hide behind their ID's to post nastiness. Congrats to the Sun Journal for a wise choice!

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EyeRoll I completly

EyeRoll I completly disagree your post. Posting those pictures of you at the beach on your Facebook page the day you called in Sick for work was bad enough now with these comments you have made on Sun Journal, I think we really need to reconsider your place with this company please be in my office first thing in the morning.
Sincerly Your Boss
Is what this comment section will turn into after FEB 1
Truely yours Ben Harrison

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Up until a few minute ago,

Up until a few minute ago, going to my profile provided my real name, my gender, my town, and my age. Yours provide nothing and you dare make this comment? What a hypocrite!

Big Love's picture

I agree. hey is eyeroll your

I agree. hey is eyeroll your first name or your last?

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