AUBURN — Duncan Gelder, a sophomore at Edward Little High School, has noticed that teachers "are not there after school anymore."
At the Auburn Middle School, Roberta O'Neill, Carl Bucciantini and dozens of other teachers walked into school Tuesday morning — all together — at 7:13 a.m.
They usually go in around 6:30 to get ready for class.
"You want to be in your room early," O'Neill said. "It's very difficult time for teachers to work to rule."
Teachers said they're taking a stand.
To protest the lack of a labor contract agreement, they're going toward a work-to-rule move, which means teachers "are working to the letter of the contract" and no more, the head of the union said Tuesday.
"We're frustrated there's no progress," said Timothy Wegmann, president of the Auburn Education Association and teacher at Park Avenue School.
Auburn School Superintendent Thomas Morrill criticized the action as unprofessional, and said teachers have an obligation to students.
The Auburn teachers' contract expired in August 2008. Two big issues are health care and education policy language.
The school department wants to eliminate paying for health care premiums of teachers' spouses. In exchange they'd boost salaries and pay for 100 percent of the premium of teachers and their children.
Spouses of many teachers work for businesses that offer health care, but offer cash incentives for workers to take health insurance elsewhere, Morrill has said. Those businesses are avoiding a cost other employers accept, and are shifting that cost to Auburn taxpayers.
Teachers object. "Over the years, teachers have given up pay raises in lieu of benefits," said middle school teacher Bucciantini. "Now benefits are being cut."
Teachers and administrators also disagree over proposed contract language that teachers say could mean working more without being paid.
Many teachers come into their schools "for weeks or days in the summer on their own time" to prepare classrooms, Bucciantini said. "That's become an expectation."
On Tuesday, Wegmann met with Auburn Middle School teachers updating them on the negotiations, and talk about the work-to-rule move.
Teachers will continue to teach 100 percent during the school day as normal, he said. Because Maine labor laws do not allow teachers to strike, "the only thing we can do is withhold the extra things we do."
Those extras include staying after school or coming in before, chaperoning at dances, helping with fundraisers, volunteering during art or music nights, running drama or recycling clubs.
Superintendent Morrill called the union's action "another difficult thing."
Last week teachers refused to attend open houses when parents were scheduled to meet with teachers, prompting Morrill to cancel open houses.
Teachers are expected to "work in a professional manner. Interpreting the work to rule, not everything a professional does is spelled out in a contract," Morrill said Tuesday.
Some activities teachers have done regularly in the past. "Our expectation is for those activities to continue." When some are withheld, "the impact on students is damaging."
Doing only what the contract spells out creates a dilemma for teachers, including the many "who did go in early" Tuesday, Morrill said.
Labor contract disagreements "should be taken up at the negotiation table, not in other forms that do not serve our students well," Morrill added.
Wegmann said the no-more-than-the-contract-says tactic is done when unions and management fail to reach agreement.
Morrill said he hopes "some resolution will be struck soon. We're even sitting down at the table later this week."



This is why I left teaching.
This is why I left teaching. As a music teacher, my first concern was for my students...but you can't believe the grief I got when I wanted to do a band practice after school. Teachers don't have the right to strike, so the refuse to do anything over and above what their contract specifically calls for. One school district I know of has told teachers not to sign recommendation letters so students can apply for college. My staff (I'm no longer a teacher remember) is taking a 10% pay cut this year and increasing their co-pay on health insurance (a much less lucrative insurance plan than teachers get). If teachers consider themselves professionals, they should do two things...(1) Act like it, and (2) disband the union. Taxpayers need to wake up.
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The most distressing thing in all of this is that the children are being harmed by this back and forth. It parallels two parents fighting while the children are left to figure out their own role.
In the end, both parents have their points and an observer may be more sympathetic to one than the other, but the end result is the same - the parents need to start acting like adults as their children need them.
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This is about the most disgusting article and postings I have ever read on here!! I have a son who has just started high school in Auburn And I am sicken at the thought that he is loosing out on some really great teacher "extras". Teachers are very special people, in addition to teaching they are basically our children's "second family". They go above and beyond when it comes to personal issues with these kids. It might be the kid who has emotional trouble, is being abused at home, is doing drugs.....or whatever!!
I want to know how I can help? I pay my taxes in Auburn and my son goes to school at ELHS....What do I do to make my voice heard? Do I call Mr Morril? attend a city hall meeting or is it seperate? I am very unfamiliar with this process so aif any of you teachers have any info...It would be much appreciated....Thanks for all the teachers who are trying to make ALL of our futures a little brighter!!
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Disgusting? How's that? Because we provide evidence that others in the community work for similar money with far fewer benefits?
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It is disgusting because people, like you Dave, have not care in the world that these kids are our future and need the very best education available to them and they are not going to get it if things continue like this.....period!
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Yes Dave I worked more hours than was required and didn't get holidays off or sick days.But my piece of crap employer screwed us over and we lost everything while he got rich. If you want them too work more than ask the state make the school year longer.It's a contract issue and Auburn wants to plead poverty ,but still raise taxes and give out corporate welfare for businesses.I'm sure you worked hard behind a desk you didn't have to deal with disrespectful entitled students and parents who don't care their kids hinder the education of others.
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Then you had the choice to go work elsewhere. I have to deal with disrespectful people on a daily basis, just like teachers.
If they don't want to teach, then leave.
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Hah! Has anyone else noticed how these comment blogs are a haven for people to vent their anger while simultaneously avoiding logic or any sense of a civil dialogue? It's like our own little health care town hall;^)
Most of you are just learning about the problems your school teachers are having getting a contract. Some of you are angry. I am hoping that means that maybe some of you will get involved. The teachers decision to not due extra work is working. Now into our third year without a contract, citizens are finally discussing the problem.
My unsubstantiate guess would be that 99.9% of the people teaching in Auburn decided to do it because they love the kids and love to teach. It wasn't the salary or benefits. But when salary does not keep up with inflation and benefits (part of the total compensation package) are being drastically changed, teachers eventually have to draw a line in the sand.
If you were in a room with 20 people from each state of this union, and they all had the same experience and qualifications as you, where would you fall in rank of salary? How would feel if you discovered that more than 930 of the other 999 people in that room were getting paid more than you for doing the same job. Maine ranks 47th out of the 50 states in adjusted teacher salary and auburn is somewhere in the middle. For better or worse, Auburn teachers historically accepted low salary raises because the health insurance benefits were good. Now the Auburn School Ditrtict wants to eliminate some of those benefits and in my opinion, are not negotiating on this issue.
We know that an agreement will eventually be made. You should know that if it is a lousy contract, good teachers will leave and it will be harder and harder to recruit new teachers. The new underexperienced teachers that are recruited, will leave as soon as they have enough experience to get a job with a better contract. Education will suffer in Auburn and it will have long term effects on the local economy. A school system with a bad reputation means Auburn property values will suffer.
The New York Times ran an article on April 7th stating that in the next 4 years, one third of the nations teachers could retire. As the pool of experience teachers shrinks, it appears that the Auburn school district is determined to make Auburn an employer of last resort.
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Nice attempt at spin, but flawed at best.
Where does Auburn stand in the state of Maine? To assume Teachers are willing to move out of state is foolish.
What is the turnover rate? I haven't seen anything mentioned regarding the difficulty of applicants for teaching jobs - other than Math or Science. (I'd be willing to pay them more) I'd rather have young enthusiastic teachers than tainted veterans just hanging around for the money.
You neglect to respond to the substantially fewer days that teachers work in a year, and neglect to respond to workplace benefit packages in general. And let's not forget 27 half day Wednesdays to perform administrative tasks instead of instructional time.
In my humble opinion, they are fairly compensated. Taxpayers should no longer be responsible for spousal benefits.
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Attempt at spin? Explain.
Auburn is below the middle in pay scale for Maine. I am not assuming teachers will leave, I know one already has others have said they will.
Teachers usually change in the summer, so we will have to wait and see then. I also know that it has been difficult to fill positions.
There is always a trade off of youthful enthusiasm with the wisdom of experience, but I don't know of any teachers that are hanging around for the money.
Teachers work in front of students less than 40 hours/ 50 weeks, but that does not mean they are not working during the out of class time.
We do work weekends, holidays and on our fuloughed summer. We work on teacheing, just ot in front of students.
It's nice to have an opinion Dave but do a little research and you will find that study after study shows that teachers on a whole are not fairly compensated for the level of edcuation and the work they do. I am an advocate for decreasing the amount of spousal benefit and shifting that savings into the salary scale but the ELIMINATION of this benifit would be a huge financial burden on some teachers and like it or not, it will lead to a degradition of the Auburn Education system.
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Excuse me DAVE.....1/2 day wed are for the elementary grades only. I would much rather my son, who just started ninth grade at ELHS, had a teacher who had years of experience rather than a teacher who was fresah out of college and didnt have a clue what the "real" world of teaching was all about!
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Yes, they are. And a "perk" at best. You over-rate experience. The worst teacher my daughter had, had over 20 years of experience. So stuck in the methods of the past it was ridiculous.
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So you are going to judge all teachers with many years experience on one "bad" teacher your daughter had? Yes I will agree that there are a few older teachers and probably some young ones too that probably should move on, but dont make them all out to be bad guys because of just one.....I would be willing to bet that you dont have any kids in Auburn schools....or you would be more willing to keep the good teachers around.
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I can't believe how misinformed people are about what a teacher does.They work more than 8 hrs.a day so they can grade papers,do lesson plans,plus all the other school functions.I don't think you want to pay them by the hour your costs would jump.The superintendent needs to face the facts extras that were done by the teachers was a luxury that wasn't required. HE should be pressuring Auburn negotiating team to get it done instead of whining.
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Big Daddy - most of us non-teachers work more than 8 hours a day as well. And we don't get July and August off. Your argument doesn't work anymore. It's time for teachers to stop their greedy charade.
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I like reading the news online but it wasn't until yesterday that I felt compelled to speak up. Read my info. I opened my account yesterday. I am indeed a teacher and I used my lunch time to check on the messages and reply. Then, I logged in again at home. Does that give you the right to insult me??
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Double post.
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No Ron, working at your job is not a civic duty. Well, unless you are a public servant perhaps. And, secondly, we certainly are taxed exhorbitantly for our properties but I'm not sure where it's going. Last I saw, according to the State of Maine, Auburn schools are UNDERfunded.
We're all made to believe our local taxes are largely spent on education. But we're over-taxed and, according to the numbers, underfunded. I don't know where the money goes, but it's going somewhere. I wish I knew where............
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people talk and complain about education but never DO a damn thing. Is griping on a comment thread the extent of your duties as a citizen and community member? God, I hope not. Maybe I bought a house in the wrong town.
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You mean working our butts off, sometimes at two jobs, to pay exhorbitant property taxes due in part to the always-growing school department budgets isn't enough?
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Ron, you are misinformed. The budget has been decreasing, not increasing. Last year alone 17 positions were cut. Every year, many others are cut too. It's true we do pay a lot of taxes but the money is not going to schools alone. I wonder where it is going. My family is even considering moving out of town because of this. But with the housing maket and the poor economy, we're gonna have to stay here a little longer.
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i dont no wut the problim is. the teechurs we had in are schule dident get payd alot and it dident hert us won bit. they dont need awl that munny. lets find sum teechurs thet can do the job without bein gready.
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Are you trying to make a point with your poor spelling? Just asking.
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wuts rong with my speling. like yur purfickt.
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I am not perfect. No one is. But you come to this forum, say that teachers are greedy and your choice of words and spelling reflect the poor education you received. We need better schools, teachers, resources, not less. Maybe for you spelling is irrevelant but not for an employer.
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You were correct in assuming he was mocking the issue with their spelling....I think you handled it extremly well....it must be your patience and education that people forget teachers must have.....I for one thank you very much for raising up the next generation so that I may have a better future!
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simply put: If we dont compensate our teachers appropriately they will go elsewhere. If the quality of our kids education gets any worse our kids cannot effectively compete in the real world for decent jobs. Maine is already behind the rest of the country as far as education goes. The US is far behind many other countries education standards. Where will our grand children be? Uneducated manual laborers working for china.
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Then perhaps it's time to put less emphasis on sports and more on education. Increase the school year by another thirty days.
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If that is what it takes then why not. But good luck trying to get the teachers to work a longer school year without compensation and with substandard facilities. Auburn schools are falling apart and apparently so is the administration. And more budget cuts on the way. Its our job to make sure this country doesnt fall apart and that starts right here in our communities with our education system. If we dont set appropriate standards accross the board for teachers and students then our future is dismal at best. While the rest of the world thrives and our dollars value drops we will suffer unless we change things now, it starts at home, and it starts with our educators. If our kids arent prepared, we all will suffer. Too many people take things for granted nowadays and dont see the big picture. We only have it as easy as its been because of th WW2 generation saving the world and paving the way for our success. They will be remembered in history as the greatest generation to ever live. And we will be remembered as the generation that ruined what so many died for on the beaches and in the trenches. Not a legacy I want to be part of. How about you?
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Hey teachers WAKE UP!!!! It is a different world out there. Having been through 2 layoff in the last year due to the economy and having been married to an Auburn teacher, they have no clue what it is like in the real world. They live in their own little world and really do not know what it is like outside in the working world today. They should all be happy they have a job. My EX did not really have a care in the world about the change in our economic status because she was tenured 23 years in Auburn and hey they will not lay me off. Forget the raise teachers be happy you are working get a life go to work full time and be happy you do not get laid off. All teachers do is complain that they are underpaid Poor things!
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Sounds like you are a more upset at your EX than the issue at hand! Maybe you had 2 layoffs in the past year because you didnt have 23 years at one company...sounds like you were in the wrong career....Maybe you should WAKE UP!! before its too late. You can always flip burger....just be happy you got a job...who care if its minimum wage right? Get a LIFE!
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Imagine having a job where you come in early and stay late, all on your own time. Your pay raise, if you get one, is usually around 1%. You work weekends and holidays. Sick and vacation time is based on how much you work in a week, 40 hours gets you 1 hour of vacation time. There may or may not be someone to cover for you if an emergency pulls you away from work, and it "counts against you" on your evaluation. You have to deal with rude, degrading, and sometimes violent people with a smile and professionalism since anything less will "count against you" on your evaluation. Health insurance, if offered, is expensive since you make around $20,000 a year if you're lucky. Welcome to the service industry, which is the largest employing industry in Maine. Surprised?
Many of the families of these students work just as hard and don't have insurance options. Some may be facing losing their home and having to move. The teachers need to get over themselves. If they really did feel that teaching was their calling in life then what they receive in compensation would be sufficient since alternatives present significantly less.
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I bet you didn't get a masters degree to do that job... did you? Want teachers to get paid what the service industry gets paid, don't require a degree or credentials.
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I agree with most of what you say. It breaks my heart to hear that yet another student has lost his home, parents have lost their jobs, etc... and that affects the town's revenue and ultimately the schools' budget. But as a teacher, I can't fight everybody's fight. I can only ask for what it is fair for us.
Another person mentioned having been married to a teacher and not caring about the economy. That might have been true when the economy was better. Most of the teachers I know are worried about their jobs even if they have been working for 20 or more years. Most of them have spouses that have lost their jobs. I have been teaching for the last 6 years and I haven't had a raise for the last 4.
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Iliana... If you dont mind ... Give the bloggers an idea of how many years education you needed and the approximate cost of that education. first year teacher salary - loans- insurance - housing -vehicle = what is left. If you can. People really dont have an understanding for what teachers have to work with. they hear about vacation time and summers off and think that teachers spend all the time not at school frolicing in the garden with the faries blowing pixie dust around. If they had to walk a mile in the shoes they would be singing a different tune. They also dont realize how hard it is for a new graduating teacher to find a full time position due to tenured teachers and lack of positions. A lot of highly educated people having to take meaningless mindless jobs because they cant find openings in they're community's schools.
The ignorance at work here in some of these post is discouraging. i try to have faith in my neighbor but ever since Obama got elected and the more I read in these blogs, the more I fear for our future.
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I have 5 years of college education and I still owe nearly $20,000 in college loans... and just to get certified, I paid nearly $1,000. Just to teach certain classes (like AP) you must take some courses/ seminars over the summer that usually are not paid by the district. After the first 2 years of working in private schools, I was so sick and tired of teaching that I worked in other areas but the lack of insurance and my need to feel useful and have a purpose in life made me want to come back to teaching. I love doing what I do but there are days that I wonder if all the love and effort I put into it are even appreciated. I guess I was lucky to have found a position here but that is because my area is foreign languages. But I know many that have even master's and Ph.Ds that are not hired because it would be too expensive to pay for them.
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Thank you Iliana, Keep up the good work. Thank you for your insight. It amazes me how people dont give credit where it is due. They think teachers have the easy road, but it just isnt true. My wife works in a local school department and I hear over and over about the second and third jobs teachers have to get to make ends meet especially in the off season. It amazes me how an athlete can get a scholarship to ivy league schools and basically do minimal work with an emphasis on sports and parties and then go on to pro sports and make millions for entertaining us on the weekends. But our teachers whom are some of the most influential people to our young have to beg for less than 50k a year. It is disturbing to me that city workers make $20+ an hour plus benefits to drive a snowplow in the winter, but teachers still have to negotiate for they're 27k -50k. I could go on for days. Thank you again.
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Great posts Dave and Robert61. And I don't view you as anti-education or anti-child, or even anti-teacher, just because you disagree with some of the teachers opinions.
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Let's not forget about the teacher's out of pocket funds that are used to outfit their classrooms and purchase supplies each year. It's not uncommon for teachers to spend $500-$1,000 (each school year) for classroom related items. There is a token tax deduction (not a credit) of up to $250, which doesn't amount to much. How many in the corporate world are spending $500-$1,000 each year in personal funds to outfit their offices or to buy supplies for their employer? I for one have never spent a penny to outfit my office or to buy supplies for my employer.
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I don't believe it. Prove it. There are places like Ruth's that offer supplies cheap, and if its such a big issue, perhaps the local PTO could help out. I've offered to bring in supplies and were told they weren't needed.
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Ask any teacher from Jay what happened with white-lined paper two years ago...
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We don't have tissues and sometimes, even toilet paper! Soap is a rare treat too.
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You're so right Akuma! I am a teacher, and it is indeed an underpaid and underappreciated job. These are the facts to support my statement:
Five out of every ten teachers quit teaching for good after only five years. I wonder why???
Teachers make significantly less money that any other college graduates with similar degrees.
Most teachers work during the summer because their salaries don't pay nearly enough to make a good living. Others must take college courses at their expense just to stay certified.
Most teachers buy school supplies out of their own pockets because the schools don't have the money to do that.
Teachers not only work during school hours- they take most of the work home and it is not rare for us to work on weekends.
For many teachers the only perk to get paid as little as we do is the benefits. If you take that away, then don't be surprised our schools will lose teachers. Just this year we lost 3 because of that.
On a personal note, my husband works in the corporate world and makes more than twice than me and we both have Bachelor's degrees. But unlike me, his company pays for most of his insurance, pays for his travel expenses, gives bonuses and even pays for training. I don't get any of that. There are days that I wonder if it worth doing what I do. But the only thing that makes me keep going are the kids.
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I for one would like to see what type of hours the superintendent puts in to warrant they're $100,000.00 + salaries. Also what is they're health insurance coverage? When I grew up in Auburn it was the Eretzians( prob misspelled) that were the powers that be. Though they are personally great people who do/did a lot for the community I dont feel it warrants the paycheck these folks take home. It was a husband and wife duo that each took home over $100k a year. (There was noone there saying well MR.E since Mrs.E works for the city too and gets the same benefits we are going to drop your salary to $50k a year since your household doesnt need $200k a year). This is essintially what some are saying about the spouses ins coverage or if the spouse makes a successful wage dont pay the teacher as much(socialist thinking). Quite frankly it is none of our buisiness what the spouses earn or how they're families juggle they're finances. As a student it was blatantly obvious to me that the administrators were grossly overcompensated. They drove the nicest cars, I would hear them talk of the great vacations they went on (and they were always on vacation) and it always seemed that when they showed up at an event everyone would flock to kiss they're butts. We as students used to joke about the principals and teachers sucking up, from the outside looking in it was funny to see. The point here is if the superintendent doesnt want to compensate the teachers for all the hard and very important work they do, then I think its time for an independent review of the admins performance, pay rate , vacation time, Ins benefits(employee and family coverage), Time spent in the office. Make them play by the same rules. Admins should have to work under the same terms. Like Patricia stated above, The superintendent surely got his raise this year. Why does someone who makes over $100k yr deserve a raise but the teachers who make between $31k - $50k including the benefits not deserve the contract they gave up raises last year for. This is an injustice to the teachers and the students. The taxpayers of Auburn need to step up for the teachers and strike on they're behalf. Ultimately noone should work uncompensated, slavery has been abolished, and if we want no child left behind then we need to keep our schools filled with happy teachers. Without them our children get nowhere in life.
Another point here is - The Auburn teachers are forced to work with inadequately equiped schools and sub-par facilities, add that to the slap in the face contract terms and ask yourself, Why would anyone be drawn to this community to be a teacher and mold our children into successful, well educated , driven adults. There really isnt much to draw the best qualified people here. THey go to large cities with large tax bases and strong unions/admins that stick up for the teachers and they're contract terms. Wake up Auburn
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"Auburn School Superintendent Thomas Morrill criticized the action as unprofessional..."
As you collect you $100,000 paycheck, the solution to your problem is simple...a contract for the teachers. No contract since August 2008? Over a year? While the teachers continue to do their jobs, someone else isn't or else there would be a contract. No contract for over a year? Who isn't doing their job?
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I beleive the minimum teacher salary was up'd a couple years ago to guarantee $27,000 starting salary. Keeping in mind that a teacher works 180 school days, and at most 5 days for workshops and continuing education required. 185 days, 8 hours a day maximum is about $18.24 per hour. Teachers can then pick up a side job such as teaching summer school, working at a summer camp or working in another seasonal business for part of summer - again they get quite a bit of time off during the school year Thanksgiving, Christmas, Feb & April vacations., or they can choose not to work for the summer and do something else. Add to that pay the very generous insurance benefits (most districts offer fully covered health insurance for employee - something the private sector cannot come close to) and you'll see the real wages paid to teachers. I'm not begrudging them, they deserve every penny, put to say they work for $27,000 a year is a misstatement, they work for $27,000 for less than 10 months.
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Not less then ten months there are new training procedures, meetings, psychological assessments to be learned, and the education can take months with the current log of newly developed curriculum charts. Robert most of the camps typically have a falling off point at times to work on a volunteer based pay scale. Many of the teachers are still grading, charting, and reviewing IEP's, IFSP's, and practical ground workings within the school department. With new students arriving and special needs department teachers review the IEP's and IFSP's to determine needs in the classroom, what is needed, and how to interact with students. If the Superintendents can get a 100k it might be time to ask them why several classrooms are strapped for cash and cannot afford something like The Carolina. Or, they never have enough paper, pens, pencils, and so on. Most teachers need more then just the $27,000 to live on something more like $55,000 I like Taylor Mali's poetry on it best.
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Robert, sound position though there are a couple of flaws. With a minimum salary of $27,000 being pretax, taking both state and federal taxes into account (15% +8.5%=23.5%) the teacher would lose $6,345 bringing it down to $20,655. Given that most, not all, teachers come in about an hour early to prep class, stay an hour to finish up, and then spend 1-2 hours a night grading they would be working roughly a 10hr day. Overall that would bring them down to $11.16 an hour. Still not too bad when compared to other jobs in the L/A area, however those other jobs also don't require an advanced degree and continued education.
Still that being said, and even if my math is off (and it fully might be), I wouldn't work like that, for that, and then be happy about working w/o a contract or the possibility of losing benefits.
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Akuma they will not want to appear as vindictive as not disclosing that information. Several months ago a school Superintendent hired the famous Huffmaster strike breaking ring. A few of them were convicts appearing with weapons and in a militaristic fashion that is the corporate worlds stance when hiring and protecting replacement employees. They also do intimidate employees as well much of the corporate world dislikes bringing that to light. I don't mind being tough on them though for being corporate "minded" its just my luck to know how they operate; some even gain a commission for employees that they hire who do work out.
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It's easy to say that teachers don't understand the corporate world, but they are also not working in it. If they were they would have had the ability to file grievances, go on strike, and have other repercussions to fight back about being strung along, and expected to work w/o due compensation.
For all that say they should be lucky to still have their jobs, put yourself in their shoes and see how favorably you view having your benefits cut, and not having raises for years at a time. My guess is that you would wouldn't have a problem trying to fight for what you deserve then. What if teacher's pay didn't come from taxes, would everyone still have a problem with them then?
The fact is that the school department administration is very top heavy, and very ineffective to boot. Rather than making cuts within their own ranks, the teachers that put in the hours and the work have to suffer. It's just not right.
Lastly, one point that was brought up that could use to be stated again "teachers are paid for the 180 days spelled out in their contract, nothing more, nothing less. However, they do take that 180 days of pay and spread it out over the full twelve months".
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I am going to be an educator when I hear corporate talk I'm aware of how much hiring recruiters do not disclose until it is to late and the employee is on the at will employment basis. Including not disclosing full insurance information to potential employees which is one reason: why I urge those in corporate worlds to have their employees to review fully insurance plans and push them not just to offer but also to fully disclose family benefits. Those who cite insurance as not being available in the corporate world stand to make more by not disclosing it. You must all think this is a crazy rant but in the corporate world there are lies, deceits, and treacheries. Important thing is to study it, see through it, and find out what portion of information is being disclosed and why other information is not disclosed at all.
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First of all how much do the teachers really make what like $30 something thousand a year? I agree teachers day doesnt end at the end of school and they do have to keep up on certifications to keep their right to teach. So if this is the case then either compensate them for the extra education they need to get every year or give in on either raises or leave the insurance alone. As the article said the teachers many times have given up pay raises in lieu of the insurance benefit. Doesnt seem to me they are being unreasonable seems to me they are giving up one for the other. So how is what the teachers are asking for being unreasonable? If we take away their insurance benefits than we need to pay them ALL more money. My question is which one is actually cheaper for the tax payers : paying for the insurance or giving all the teachers a raise?
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The corporate world teachers do not honestly have to understand the corporate world they are there to teach and inspire the new generation away from the standard factory setting which is imposed by those who endorse the corporate world image. They do deserve a new contract for what they are doing in the cities of Maine its not likely some of those in the corporate world would understand that. Whoever says in the corporate world that they never pay for insurance is lying. In the corporate world to keep employees they do pay for the insurance to keep those who are valued employees on the records.
Dave you can threaten all you want in retrospective agreement send your child to a charter school there are faith based and private schools in the area. If you agree with little to minimal socialization then I guess you really wanted home schooling to begin with. Put your money where you mouth is send them to a charter school. There's Open Door Bible Church, Hyde, Cape Elizabeth, Lisbon Falls Baptist, and the list goes on and on. Oh, yes the corporate world as Keith puts it needs to change Keith be a friend I know the corporate world a lot of them do supply partial care for families. Here's being fiscal for you Keith get your head out of your rear end. Most companies offer that upon hiring and ask of family members the corporate world eh friend? Unless your a hiring human resources director who does not offer that or disclose that to future employees is that somewhere close to it?
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You misunderstood my point, Joe. I want charter schools funded by my tax dollars. I don't want to contribute to a MEA based system anymore. Frankly, I'd prefer to see high performing teachers highly compensated. Unfortunately, in the currrent system, that doesn't matter, just length of time. You are correct on one point. I haven't home schooled my kids because I was initially concerned about socialization. But I'm coming to conclusion that I can still accomplish this. (perhaps not quantity, but quality) Schools continually waste time making kids stand in line, disciplining unruly youth, and so on. And it appears that the focus of instruction (perhaps due to the foolish no child left behind act) is to bring lower performing students up to an "acceptable" standard. The average, and advanced students are pretty much left to themselves, although Auburn has a pretty decent gifted and talented program. Unfortunately, its quite abbreviated. There are home school groups that get together for activites either in person, or via the web. And homeschool students can opt to take various classes, and participate in extracurricular activities in the public school system.
I have no idea what you mean by "...inspire the new generation away from the standard factory setting which is imposed by those who endorse the corporate world image"? Huh? Sounds like you prefer a socialist system. You live in the wrong country. I'd prefer my child gain the knowledge to get a job or start her own business after graduation. You've really forgotten who you work for. It's us. The taxpayers.
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I know who I work for and its not you: its children. I prefer your child grow to understand Milton, the business economics of Shuttleworth, and the mindsets of creating a free and competitive environment. That your child learn to operate in cross platform operating system environments, learning the essentials of business as many are going toward Linux servers. If that is the answer you are looking for that's why I'm going to college to become a teacher. Shuttleworth would be the billionaire who created the Ubuntu Linux operating system which makes crossing the platforms in the business world much easier. NCLB was a mistake in its inception as a system and cut special education budgets dramatically not just in bringing to the foray "acceptable" test grades of course if those are the lower performing students you are pointing to then why did you not speak up to begin with? If you think I work outright for you, your wrong, children who work businesses deserve to know whats a lie, deserve to have every package on the table for employers, treat others honestly, and have the knowledge of Operating Systems which will give them an edge against their peers. Didn't you ever learn to have respect for the teachers who went the extra mile not for your parents or their acceptable lines but for you to push you? Did you ever have a coach who went that extra mile to push you?
The knowledge needed for business is to keep a server which is honest and OpenSuSe and the new server editions of Ubuntu that I've tested operate closely to Windows. As well they offer a free open source office suite and can run on nearly any platform from old 500 Mhz computers on up. I work for children I've worked for corporates and suits before in call centers. After learning that most companies used an old DOS processor which was single line user can understand why outside companies have opened up and had more secure services. No longer is Linux an intelligence ally the common people can use it. You tested me and now you know I will use every inch of my being to teach and I will use that to teach different communications, operating systems, poetic means, and literacy developments. All those old DOS processors can be replaced and reprogrammed with Linux to a fully functioning sales system. Running faster and less likely to have email servers lost out of the loop within the company. As per your realization of the factory and corporate image tests have gone down hill since standards were set; some do not even work at all (Gardner). I work for the child not someone who seeks a close minded approach call me what you will. Oh, if you look up the Linux and find that you like it there is an Ubuntu and OpenSuSe environment that is readily there for free download and it will save your company a few thousand dollars as it can be installed by anyone. Look it up and punch it up.
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Joe - We are in agreement regarding open-source software. I am a former IT'er and worked extensively with open source software. Linux servers are efficient and cost-effective. I'm in the process of setting up my home pc (and my kids) entirely open source. (yes, Ubunto) You're not alone. By the way, Mr. Shuttleworth made his millions on Thawte software (a proprietary, pay for licensing software, not open-source software). He has, however, been most generous in funding the free software movement. (no profit, yet)
I think you lost me with the rest of your post.
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That's alright the rest of the post was what we go through and its stressful when we cannot afford the new assessment and test measures because either towns deny it or we're trying to retain Super Superintendents who are all but useless and merely number crunchers. I like using Gentoo, SuSe, Ubuntu, Xubuntu for my old iMac 500 and just wish schools would adopt that. Same here with the IT stuff did sales but with my certs enjoy working with computers and seeing what works and what doesn't. The rest of it was prepping kids for the real world if someone throws a reference to John Milton Paradise Lost they catch it or the old poets and writers of old. Someday want to get one of the Mini 10v's with Ubuntu 8.04 love the way it looks and runs.
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the teachers should be happy their positions have not been eliminated. They should realize they are in the real world and pay the insurance. I have not had insurance coverage paid in full by an employer for years nor ever for family. And even though I work for a private company I have put in time of my own. Most salaried people do. I check my email from home to make sure my customer's needs are met. I am sick of hearing the teachers whine about what they don't get. Maybe they should work as something other then a teach for one year and find out how good they still have it.
It is time for cities and towns to stand up to the teachers and not back down. How about parents and others in the community stepping up to the plate and volunteering for chaperoning and after school help. Show the teachers for once that they are not needed. You don't need a degree to help out the kids.
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It is apparent that teachers don't understand the "corporate" world. The seven hour day isn't the norm. Try about 9 or 10. Apparently they think we all make millions and have all our benefits fully funded. I work for a major corporate entity, and have to pay 20% of my insurance premiums. If premiums go up, I pay. (and boy have they!) After deducting vacation time, weekends, and holidays, I work 230 days a year plus night meetings fairly frequently (non-compensated), plus unpaid overtime (many times without notice) when necessary depending upon the requirements of the business. I am expected to maintain professional certifications on my own time, and mostly my own dollar. My performance is reviewed annually. If I meet my objectives, I'm rewarded with an increase. If not, no increase. No guaranteed raise. In fact, I haven't got a raise in the last few years, despite exceeding my objectives. No profits, no raise. Teachers don't have to deal with this. Just show up, and *bingo*, a raise every year, and even a seniority boost for longevity. (regardless of job performance)
I'm not complaining. In fact, compared to other places, I've got it good. But the Auburn teachers shouldn't complain either. Let's see, they work 180 days. (27% fewer than most of us) Have 15? sick days, which I believe accumulate if not used and added to the next year. So please spare me the 'woe is me', and 'I work harder than you' lines. You're not the only ones working hard. You're not the only one who works at home after hours. It's called being a professional. There were no secrets about teaching jobs when you entered the profession. The expectation is that you grade tests, prepare lesson plans, etc. AFTER school hours. Always has been.
If you think you're making a statement with your 'work to rule', you are correct. And that is, you only care about the money. Don't expect this action to cause a swell of support. In case you missed it, people are hurting, and can't afford new taxes. See the other story in the paper today about the state decreasing its contribution to local schools. We certainly can't afford to pay 100% of your medical benefits anymore.
Cranky Yankee, I do volunteer in the schools. I appreciate the teachers. My kids have had (mostly) good ones. I just don't think their expectation of free medical benefits is reasonable, or affordable. I'd become a teacher in a nano-second if MEA certification policies and seniority schedules didn't make it so difficult for a middle-aged person to enter the profession.
I truly wish our local Representatives to the Maine House and Senate would come to their senses and support Charter schools in Maine. Our current system is broken. I believe Bruce Bickford was the only one who did last session. (thank you)
A little competition might help. In the meantime, I guess its time I homeschool my kids.
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I work in human resources in the corporate world and I can tell you that a major shift has been occurring with regards to family health care. More and more companies are providing 100% of the premiums for employees and zero for family coverage. This is the "real world" situation. The teachers need to wake up to the fiscal realities. If they don't like the pay and the benefits, then it's time to change employers or careers.
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I feel bad for the students. They are the ones that will be affected the most. What great examples you are for our children. *sarcasm*
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I understand both sides of the story but I feel sorry for the kids. They are the ones that are going to suffer for this. I am very glad my kids are not in that school system right now. Good luck to all involved.
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Skippy that is truly naive: "The powers that be have a right to say what they feel the jobs they have to offer are worth. If they are wrong then they will not have any teachers." Of course they will have teachers. The good ones will leave for fair paying jobs, your kids get the dregs, the quality of schools will go down, the property values will decline, and in the end, everything fails. Please try to look past your back yard, because it will be worth less with your plan.
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1. Superintendent Salary
Mr. Das, Chair, recommended the annual salary for the position of Superintendent for the 2009-10 school year. He noted that Mr. Morrill is in the third year of a three- year contract and recommended a 2.1% salary adjustment to $105,163.
It was moved by Mr. Pelletier, seconded by Mr. Bussiere and voted unanimously to approve the recommended annual salary for the position of Superintendent for the 2009-10 school year.
I think everybody needs to be aware that the superintendent got his raise this year. This information can be seen on the school committee minutes.
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As an Auburn Taxpayer and the father of two teachers I can see both sides of the problem the Teachers need to give a little here Im on a pension and the ntax bill is getting out of hand ! They should be happy they have insurance for themselves and their childern! I get mine threw my wife but we pay a reduced rate for it,why couldnt that be worked out? If your spouse works else where The employer should not be off the hook make them pay! How much more can we as taxpayers support?? That being said I dont blame them one bit for their actions if the city refuses to listen to their needs, both sides need to listen and come to some sort of agreement, if the Superintendent does not like it let HIM go in after school or before,Ill bet he is no wheres to be found except on the Golf course and Ill bet his insurance is taken care of !!
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If teachers think they are underpaid they should go out and look for other work. If they are correct in their assesment of their worth they will be happier elsewhere. The powers that be have a right to say what they feel the jobs they have to offer are worth. If they are wrong then they will not have any teachers. It may be messy for a few months, but at some point things will straighten out. Unions are ruining this country with their demands. Look at our industries---where are the textile mills, shoe shops, paper mills, etc. The car manufacturers that are successful in this country are the foreign car manufacturers who operate without unions.
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The Morrill of the story here is the students. The superintendant has a point about being professional. The teachers union needs to find a better way to get its point across rather than acting like the students it instructs.
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The problem is the teachers have very little avenues to pursue. They cannot strike, picket or otherwise bring notice to their plight. This way they do their job, but nothing extra. The kids notice and hopefully complain to the parents who complain to the elected officials. Having said that, teachers have to realize the time we're in is tough. And the article makes it clear that some teacher's spouses are taking advantage of this perk, to the determent of others. Let everyone realize, that this problem is one of the problems President Obama is trying to fix with his health care reform. This isn't an isolated case, and more companies are going to do exactly what Auburn is trying to do. Every thing's connected people.
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I support the Auburn teachers in the work to rule. The Auburn School Board and administration is attempting to get more for less from the teachers, and they have done this for years. Over the 15 years my spouse has been employed by the ASD, benefits have decreased and salary increases have been on paper only because they have gone to offset the decreases in benefits. As one poster wrote-this would not happen in the corporate world. I spent over two decades in the classroom and left several years ago because of this same nonsense. At a time when minimum wage was $4.00/hr, due to the extra time that I was required to put in, I was making about $2.35 per hour.
Those who argue that teachers only work a 7 hour day and have paid summers, you need to do some homework. First, in the corporate world, the 7 hour day is the norm. Further teachers are paid for the 180 days spelled out in their contract, nothing more, nothing less. Hoever, they do take that 180 days of pay and spread it out over the full twelve months, so to the uninformed and ignorant it may "appear" to be that they are paid for summers. In addition to that, teachers are required to renew their certification every five years which requires taking courses and attending seminars, mostly at their own expense and ON THEIR OWN TIME, for which they are not paid. In the corporate world, we are paid to attend seminars and conferences as it is understood that it only benefits the company. Most teachers do even more, because they know that it helps them to be better teachers. Add to that, all of the additional activities that teachers are expected to attend, on their own time, and you'll begin to get a little bit of an idea of what they do.
So before ANY of you go bashing teachers, I would suggest that if you think they have it so good, then YOU go do the job. I suggest that you volunteer a couple of hours a week in your local school and see what it is that teachers really do and what they have to deal with. Put up, or shut up.
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I live with two teachers. They are the most underpaid/overworked professionals that I know. I don't think partial health care coverage for their spouses is a lot to ask for. Many parents don't realize the dedication teachers have for preparing there sons and daughters for this world.
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First of all the cities ask more of the teachers than is required, if it was a bussiness THE STATE would slap them with millions in fines and restitutions for hours worked without pay, however since one hand washes the other that wont happen, Secondly you can bet your bippy the higher echolon is getting thier raises on time!!! (overpayed pencil pushers) Secondly the teachers have a Rude Awakening We THE TAXPAYERS WILL NOT STAND BY AND CONTINUE TO PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR MEMBERS OF THIER FAMILY THAT IS BEYOND THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE TAXPAYER THEMSELVES!!! If we need to cause a ref. on this then so be it BUT YOU WILL LOSE!!! Cap all jobs in the city to no more than 60 thousand which is a lucritive salery with insurance for themselves only and take the savings and distribute that to the teachers and Remove this extravagant benefit and if they dont like it lay them off!!!! Oh by the way the deputy city admin has been taking over for the city admin and have you noticed the SKY DID NOT FALL, THE CITY DID NOT CEASE TO EXIST, NOT A HICCUP! So either get rid of the deputy admins position or the admins permenanlty this savings can also go to help the teachers pay for thier insuance like the rest of us!!!!!
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Sorry, Mr. Morrill, but this is the world, please wake up to it. You get what you pay for and if you expect that you're going to continue to get a free ride out of the dedication of your teachers, you are in need of an education in life. Parents, if you agree with Mr. Morrill, then YOU go in and do all this free work. They are your kids, who should be more interested in their education?
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