Maineiacs say rumors of move premature

LEWISTON — A couple of reports circulating widely across the hockey world say the Lewiston Maineiacs appear to once again be on their way out of town, this time to the city of Summerside, on Prince Edward Island.

The team's president and governor, Bill Schurman, says otherwise.

It's shaping up to be yet another case of he said/he said involving the Maineiacs, who two years ago pulled up stakes and tried to relocate to Boisbriand, Quebec, only to be blocked by another team in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League exercising its territorial rights.

That move backfired, and the team stayed in Lewiston.

Two years later, attendance has improved — barely — but the team continues to hemorrhage money. That, Schurman said, is likely what continues to fuel the persistent rumors.

"The reasons the rumor has started is that people who follow this level of hockey understand that we're struggling," Schurman said. "That's life. Unfortunately, we have a product, and people have to buy enough of that product for us to pay our bills. And we're struggling to pay our bills right now."

That doesn't mean the team has agreed to go anywhere, he said.

"The important part right now is that none of that is coming from the team or the city," Schurman said. "It's coming from two individuals who live 45 miles from that (prospective new home) city. We've been on record and we've spoken to our players and staff, our volunteers, that if there is news on where we call home, we will publicly pass that information along and share that with our supporters and with our community."

This time, if the Maineiacs choose to move, there would be no territorial rights in play. Summerside is 40 miles west of Charlottetown, the capital city of Prince Edward Island and the current home of the QMJHL's PEI Rocket.

The mayor of Charlottetown said Wednesday that he believed a deal between the Maineiacs and the city of Summerside was imminent.

“The information I have received is that a deal has been struck with the city of Summerside and Lewiston," Charlottetown Mayor Clifford Lee told The Guardian newspaper early Wednesday.

PEI businessman Tim Banks, former owner and general manager of the Summerside Western Capitals of the Maritime Junior Hockey League, tweeted Tuesday that the deal included a $1.5 million gate guarantee, and that the deal was all but signed, sealed and delivered.

Not so fast, say the Lewiston Maineiacs.

"As I get questions from you right now, we do not have an agreement to move this team," Schurman said. "Our focus is on working in what has been our second-best season in franchise history and prepare for our playoffs. I can't stop people from thinking, and I can't stop people in this world from telling people what they think, but unless it's somebody intimately involved in the organization, all I can say is that they're entitled to their opinion, and I don't agree with it."

Following up on his original comments, Mayor Lee said he'd be "shocked" if the league approved such a move.

"A province with 140,000 people can't possibly support two Quebec Major Junior teams," Lee said.

The PEI Rocket, a QMJHL team playing out of the Charlottetown Civic Centre, is just far enough from Summerside to be unable to block the move of the team based on territorial rights. The Maineiacs' previous attempt to relocate — to Boisbriand, Quebec, two years ago — failed when the Montreal Junior, based in Verdun, exercised its right to block the Maineiacs' move.

In addition to the mayor of Charlottetown, the Rocket's president and general manager, Serge Savard Jr., said any move to place two QMJHL teams in Prince Edward Island would be a big mistake.

"I think two teams would go bankrupt in a couple of years if they are here at the same time," Savard said in a phone interview with the Sun Journal on Wednesday.

"It's a struggle to have one team in the biggest city to survive," Savard said. "If you ask me if two teams can survive, with the corporate (support) here, it's impossible."

It's a similar problem the Maineiacs are running into in Lewiston. In nearly eight full seasons, the team has yet to break even, coming closest in 2006-07 when it went on to win a league title.

Most teams spend between $1.5 million and $1.8 million on operating costs, Schurman said.

"If we pick the low end, and say $1.5 million, we need that much to at least break even," he said. "We have not had a break-even season since this team has arrived. We have incurred significant losses in the past number of years, and this year is looking to be no different. At the end of the day, we're like any other business, we must pay the money to people we owe money to. The only way you can pay that is to attract corporate partners, to sell tickets, or go to the owner. Unfortunately, No. 3 has been picked many times."

Ticket numbers have been stronger this season than in years past, at least on the surface.

"Our average ticket price right now is $6.71, for the number of tickets we've printed, and the amount of revenue we've received," Schurman said. "The numbers that you see include billet tickets, include player tickets, include promotional tickets, include donations to people. Every ticket printed is what the announced attendance is. So when you look at the math, the team should average $11 a ticket ... Most teams in our league will get 450 to 500 thousand in corporate support. We're not even close to that."

Despite the monetary gap, and despite the heavy dose of rumors in recent days, Schurman said Wednesday that no deal was in place, and that if a deal to relocate is ever reached, the Maineiacs won't try to duck the issue.

"These rumors started before I even came here," Schurman said. "We have been open, with our players and with our staff, we've been as open as we can be with our billets and our volunteers that we will not leave in the middle of the night; we will not leave in a pickup truck. I've been in contact with the mayors of the cities here and have told them they will be among the first to know if something is happening.

The Quebec Major Junior Hockey League officially has a Jan. 31 deadline for teams to notify the league if they are seeking to relocate, though extensions have been granted to teams — including Lewiston — in the past. According to league spokesman Karl Jahnke, the league has yet to receive an official request for relocation.

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apelletier's picture

EXACTLY what ive said all

EXACTLY what ive said all along, both last time they wanted to move and this time. if a team like the maineiacs cant survive economically in lewiston, how will any other hockey team? its ridiculous.

Matt's picture

Just should

have brought it Bill Schurman earlier than 2 weeks before the season. The Maineiacs had a great opportunity to spend the summer promoting a great product and they missed the boat. I have been a season ticket holder since day 1 and I love this team. Myself and 1500 other serious hockey fans are the only reasdon they are still here at all. It may be too late, but I hope it isn't. There have to be 45,000 people in LA and the surrounding towns who have never spent one night at the rink to watch a great team. Sadly, these are the people who will badmouth this team right outta here. The same folks who never watched Joey Gamache fight (and spoke openly about how they hoped he'd lose, that he was a bum, etc...) Nothing bunch a bunch of negative know-it-alls. And before anyone starts bitching about how expensive it is to go to a game, this year they have bent over backwards to offer creative pricing, including one night where you could buy a ticket for a dollar. They didn't sell out. Not because the team is bad, or the hockey isn't awesome, but because lots of people around here are losers.

rgagnon2's picture
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MaineIacs Moving ?

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Maineiacs say rumors of move premature

But they don't its false

Publikwerks's picture

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but they are moving.

I know, I have an EVIL VENDETTA, but I would like to point somethings out -

One, the only reason the Maineiacs are still here is that Montreal blocked one move, and negotiations fell through with Fredericton. That was a temporary stay of execution.

Two - a quote from this very article:
"The important part right now is that none of that is coming from the team or the city," Schurman said. "It's coming from two individuals who live 45 miles from that (prospective new home) city. We've been on record and we've spoken to our players and staff, our volunteers, that if there is news on where we call home, we will publicly pass that information along and share that with our supporters and with our community."

No where did he say "We're not moving".

Three - a Mark Just quote:

"There is a general apathy towards hockey in _________," Just said at a news conference Feb. 14. "We have some die-hard fans, and they're dying right now because of this. But overall, there wasn't the support we need."

So where is Mr Just talking about? Lewiston? NOPE. Sherbrooke

Sorry if I'm not supporting a team that in the end will most likely give me the shaft. I would rather get them out and get a team in here that can be owned by local businessmen and won't be going anywhere.

Keitmo06's picture

WHAT?

They play 14 games fewer than the Bruins (7 at home and 7 on the road) and the Bruins sell out at 17,000+ for each of those games? I hope this was an extremely sarcastic remark and you are just trying to stir the pot because it is pretty ridiculous. It comes down to pettiness of the non-regular fans who refuse to go to any games because of Mark Just but will be the first in line to complain and say "see I knew they would move," or are those who would rather go to the Pirates and claim they are cheaper (okay by $1 if purchased in advance but then commuting and parking is more than $3). Oh and supporting the Pirates is supporting a team that tried to move last season as well.

Publikwerks's picture

Mark Just is all about the money

Mark Just is all about the money. He could give two craps about Lewiston. But the city made it's bed when it backed Just and the Mainiacs instead of Roger Theriault. The city has already had to pay millions for that mistake and now the team is going to leave as the final icing on the cake.

frnchmn's picture

If Mark Just were purely

If Mark Just were purely about money...the MAINEiacs would have move long ago. He has poured money into this organization for the last 8 years. It takes around $1.5-$1.8 million to operate a team in the QMJHL per year. Ask yourself would you write a check for $500,000+ per year for the last 8 years? Publik...have you ever gone to a game? If not I would suggest you take the time and attend a game or two in order to educate yourself about what this team is all about. I did and I was hooked. I've been a season ticket holder since day one. By the way, Mr. Theriault never had the financial "juice" to get and keep this team here.

This is the type of negative attitude that undermines the efforts Bill Shurman and the MAINEiacs organization when trying to market this team. If you keep saying it was a mistake and they are going to leave...you may eventually be correct once...but wrong so far 8 years in a row.

Publikwerks's picture

I am biased

I am biased against Just. I know Roger Theriault, and I know how everything went down and the reasons why it went down as it did. So I have a well deserved negativity towards Just and the Maineiacs. I'm putting that out there as I make no bones about it, don't try and hide it. He saw an opportunity to get Theriault out and the city in, and saw dollar signs. Once the city cut off the money, it became a forgone conclusion he was going to move the team. It's just a matter of when.

And I'm not wrong 8 years in a row. He has only tried to move the team once so far in 2009, after being cut off by the city. After executing that move like a dumbass, he had to crawl back to Lewiston. Now that the dust has settled, it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to do it again.

If the team isn't viable, lets not try and keep it. Get a smaller league team that the region can support then.

123abc's picture

Why?

I'm sorry, but why would bringing in a smaller league team change things? They still have to be able to draw a crowd and if the MAINEiacs, who are playing incredibly well this season, can't fill the meager 3,700 seats in the building, what makes you think that smaller team would draw better?

The team we have now is at the top of their division and scoring an average of 5 points a game, which some NHL teams can't even do. The MAINEiacs aren't "visible" as you put it, because there is no community support behind them. In the 2006-2007 season when the team won the President's Cup, there were banners saying "WE BELIEVE" all over the Twin Cities, businesses had the motto on their marquee signs, and there were bumper stickers galore everywhere. Where did that support go? What's stopping businesses from making up their own signs and promoting the team?

If the MAINEiacs leave Lewiston it will be a shame to everyone involved. It not only will hurt the business economy, but also all of the staff that work for the organization doing different tasks and the Colisee staff who work game nights who rely on that income. If you can't put this petty vendetta against Mark Just behind you, then think about the other PEOPLE involved.

Publikwerks's picture

Petty vendetta?

Listen, I don't seek out to cause the Maineiacs problems. The only thing I do is stay away. I won't give them my money, that's the extent of my vendetta. Hell, I make sure to announce loud and clear that I am wicked biased. Someone with a vendetta wouldn't do that. I just point out that Just has screwed Roger Theriault, he has screwed the city government of Lewiston, and next will be the citizen of Lewiston. And if they can't draw enough fans to pay the bills, let em leave.

I would rather a team that didn't threaten to move every time their lease was up because the owner claims poverty.

Pirate's picture
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The Mainiacs' marketing

The Mainiacs' marketing people have got to get out there and promote the team, and they'd best be doing soon. Time's running out. By the way, given the number of games they play each week, I doubt the Bruins could fill the 3700 seats every night.

greenie's picture
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straight on Brian

this city doesn't make sense to me, they want something here, now they have it, they complain about everytrhing about it. they can't complain about the prices as they are practically giving them away, they squack about something else. As much as I love this team, when you are half a million in the red year after year, I would of pulled this team outta here years ago and told the peiople here to pound sand. but then again, that's my thought.

Pirate's picture
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They need to play fewer games

They need to play fewer games (probably too much exposure now) and jack up the price of tickets. They also need to involve the business commumity to a higher level, particularly those businesses that directly benefit from the presence of the Mainiacs; ie, restaurants, hotels, retailers. A massive door to door campaign has to be launched to involve more sponsorship from local business, otherwise they'll be gone by Easter.

Brian_L's picture

It would be to bad if they

It would be to bad if they moved. It was one of the few things that Lewiston had going for it. Sometimes I think the people in this city just prefer to whine. First they whine because of the ticket prices, then because they want to move. They end up staying but even less people go to the games. The Maineiacs have even have had special deals to try to get more people in the door but they can't fill the place and what else do you have to do in Lewsiton thats keeping people from going to a game. Now if they leave people will whine that there is nothing to do in Lewiston. You only have yourselves to blame.

LewistonNative...'s picture
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Either Mark Just needs to

Either Mark Just needs to squash this now or this isn't going to be good for the MaineIACS. Even though I am a big MaineIACS fan, I am personally sick of this, "Oh we want to be here" and then "Just kidding, we are trying to move."

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