Maine welfare advocates wary of cuts, anecdotes

AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) — Upcoming legislative debates over proposed restrictions and reforms in Maine's welfare programs should be based on facts, not anecdotes suggesting widespread cheating and long-term reliance on assistance, advocates said Wednesday.

Sarah Standiford
Pat Wellenbach

Sarah Standiford, far right, of the Maine Women's Lobby speaks at a news conference at the State House in Augusta, Maine, on Wednesday, Jan. 26, 2011. Advocates for welfare programs in Maine say legislative debate over proposed cuts should be based on facts, not anecdotes suggesting widespread cheating and long-term reliance. (AP Photo/Pat Wellenbach)

Researchers, advocates and recipients of assistance programs released a report based on questionnaires completed in 2010 by more than 1,000 families receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and follow-up focus groups, which they called the most complete study of its kind since 1995.

The study was conducted as welfare reform became an issue during the gubernatorial campaign. With the new legislative session, a number of bills addressing welfare have been introduced, such as proposals to impose time limits on eligibility, tougher residency requirements and drug testing for recipients.

Gov. Paul LePage has not yet finalized his welfare reform package, but its central themes will be creating a tiered system that weans residents off welfare, creates a work requirement and imposes a five-year limit on benefits.

Advocates of assistance programs support some welfare proposals, such as those promoting greater access to job training and education, said Chris Hastedt of Maine Equal Justice, which advocates for low-income people. Hastedt noted that TANF spending represents less than 1 percent of the state general fund budget.

Hastedt and other advocates said that as debate develops in the weeks and months ahead, they hope proposed changes in the program will be based on facts. They said changes in the laws will affect about 14,800 Maine families — including 25,000 children — receiving assistance.

"Unfortunately, much of the debate has been driven by anecdotes and stereotypes, not credible information," said Sarah Standiford, executive director of the Maine Women's Lobby.

Their study shows that the median time people are on TANF is 1½ years. It also shows the biggest reasons families apply for assistance are job instability, illness, disabilities and family problems including domestic abuse. It also showed the median age of a child receiving TANF is just under 2.

"I didn't choose to go on TANF," said Pam Smith, a divorced mother of three and recipient since 2007 who lives in southern Maine. Smith said she had to apply for benefits for several reasons, including the hospitalization of her son that required her to be home during his recovery.

"I wouldn't be able to put a roof over my children's head if it wasn't for TANF," Smith said.

A LePage spokesman called the report released Wednesday "helpful."

"It reinforces the message that the solutions to welfare reform need to be focused on the individual's needs" to move forward and out of welfare, said spokesman Dan Demeritt.

He added that the administration agrees with the report's finding that many of those on welfare hold a succession of short-term jobs.

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biz's picture

Angel

This is the reason our government does not want the taxpayers know how much people are receiving for welfare.If they did they could print it in the paper.John said that the Somalians balance on their card was 700.00,700.00,1200.00,and 2200.00. $2200.00 is this what they get per month? I know their are retired people how only receive $800.00 to $1000.00 a month ,who worked for 45 year or more,payed taxes and contributed to there community and country. These are YOUR parents AND grandparents. Where is the justice.

angelsx34eva's picture

johnc..

The guidelines for Welfare Benefits are of Public Knowledge...YOU can go into any Department of Human Service Office and they can tell you what amounts of foodstamps or TANF Benefits are allowed for how many people are in a family...BUT...your missing my point here...For that Clerk at Circle K to discuss with you the "balance" on anyone's card..whether it be a "Welfare Card" or otherwise...is just not acceptable....

angelsx34eva's picture

johnc....

I understand your frustration with your experience you had...What bothers me though is the clerk at Circle K on Minot Avenue...He or She had NO RIGHT telling you the balance of anyone's foodstamps or TANF Benefit...Don't get me wrong...I am all for overhauling our Welfare System...and to get the rotten apples off and out of it...but what that clerk did, is, to me, just not right....How would we like it if we were at a bank cashing our hard earned paycheck and a friend of ours was behind us in line, and after we cashed our check, the teller told our neighbor how much our check was for or how much we had in our bank accounts...Would you or anyone reading this be okay with that?...I know I wouldn't be...

johnc's picture
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well angelsx

the paycheck is hard earned money and tanf/food stamps are paid by the tax payer and should be allowed to tell how much they are recieving it is a federal funded program paid by the tax payers hell if they don't want us to know then they can take responsibilty for thier action and support themselves

Denny1973's picture

Welfare should be a hand up,

Welfare should be a hand up, not a hand out. I think our new Governor understands that, and will address this issue properly. Hopefully the day of free rides at taxpayer expenses are over.

johnc's picture
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tanf is broke and i have the proof

i was at circle k getting a coffee and saw a man mid 20's come in there and went to the beer cooler and came out with a 12 pack of bud plops it on the counter the cleark scanned it and said that will be $$$ the man pulled out his welfare card and said charge it to my tanf the clerk swiped the card and my god it went through,.
i proceeded home and called the welfare fraud division and expland to them what i saw and i recieved a message on my answering machine that floored me
the message stated that tanf is cash and they are allowed to buy anything their hearts want, it's their money to do what ever they please what does t.a.n.f stand for (temporary assistance for NEEDY families) what the hell does beer have to do with needy families
for those that don't believe me get ahold of me and i can send you the message i got cause i saved it to a digital recorder, i was at circle k on minot ave and talked to a cleark over there about food stams and there was 4 somolians they all used their food stamps and she was telling me the balance of all 4 1 was $700 and the 2nd was $700 the 3rd was $1200 and the 4th had a balance of $2200 like gimme a break we need to set the 5 year tanf limit on this and other things i think paul lepage is headed in the right direction and i applaud him for his guts to stand up for what he thinks maine needs

angelsx34eva's picture

I Do Not Think...

That DHHS workers are "encouraged" to put people on welfare to "ensure" job security...DHHS may be the biggest "employer" in Maine; I'm not sure about that; but they offer other "programs" other than a check each month...It seems that everyone is on the same plate in agreeing our welfare system needs a complete overhaul...There have been many articles in the SJ as of late and people are rightfully frustrated...But if one has a family and cannot find a job..then that's where DHHS should kick in...But if one has "no history" of working and applies for benefits, it should be DHHS job to know why there is no work history...TANF, MaineCare, and Foodstamps should not be a "given" to just anyone that walks into a DHHS office...There should be "valid" reasons why one is there..."My back hurts" doesn't cut it with me...to the person that posted they deal with these "people" on a daily basis...I'm thinking you own a store where people use "foodstamps"...You should be ashamed of yourself if this is fact...one shouldn't "judge" someone elses circumstances if you don't know it..I'm sure your customers feel very uncomfortable at your place of business if my suspicions are correct...If you don't like "foodstamp" people..then don't accept foodstamps...and to the person that posted they could drive to 50 homes where they know people are on the system... and abusing it...wow...if your information is "credible", why aren't YOU getting off your lazy arse and do something about it?...Fortunately, for me, I have never had to use the system...and by the posts that get posted under "Welfare" articles...I hope I never do...

HappyGirl's picture

My Opinion

The system was design to help people get on their feet and I believe for a lot of people receiving assistance it has become a way of life. I did once receive assistant when I had my son years ago. I was a young mother and needed help but I took the help they gave me to go to school, get a job and get off the system. The system does work if people want it to work for them. Unfortunately there are way to many out there that abuse it and it’s not right and there needs to be tighter restrictions if you do assistance. I feel it would be a great thing if they have to do a drug test to receive benefits each month. If you don’t pass, you don’t get the benefits. I think there should also be certain things you need to do as far as either schooling, job training o something to better yourself to get off the assistance. I think there needs to be programs that help parents pay for childcare so they can go to work and transition in the work force. I know the workforce is not the greatest now but it hopefully won’t be that way forever. Its just my opinion.... back to work I go...Happy Day :)

crankbait's picture

cranky yankee

I serve the public and am not scared one bit. I go into these people houses day and night and deal with them so people like you can be safe. PEOPLE WHO POINT THE FINGER ARE SCRARED. YOUR WELCOME

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crankbait's picture

grammer? NANCY P Cranky yankee

My computer keys are messed up. Nancy P I have plenty of education. I dot give a crap about grammer. CRANKY YANKEE it i job to report them and I have. These people take away from he taxpayer. I give a service and 9 times out of 10 the non tax paying person is using it. There is no investigative techniques for maine to prove other wise. The only thing they have to do is lie. WAWAWAW my back hurts I cant work.

Gary52's picture
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ronh66 nailed it. If there

ronh66 nailed it. If there aren't any problems of any size with our current welfare system as it is, then why all the talk about all of the people that will be impacted by changes that would add accountability to the various programs? To be perfectly honest, I highly doubt that even one in ten Mainers that have any interaction with the general population of this State can't come up with at least one example of fraud or, certainly, abuse of the welfare system. The biggest problem is that the service providers are encouraged to grow the rolls on these programs as a way to insure job security, and that's why DHHS is Maine's largest employer. Changes are long overdue. We're at the point where there are more people riding on the wagon than there are available to pull it. BTW, this may be anecdotal, but it isn't fiction.

ronh66's picture
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Welfare or lifestyle????

If they are not cheating the system then why are they so worried about the changes????If they can't pass a drug screen then they don't need welfare.If you are not a resident then you do not deserve welfare...

Timeless Wonders's picture
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With the state unemployment

With the state unemployment rate at over 7% where will all of the supposed deadbeats going to find jobs?

cranky yankee's picture

crankbait said: "I could

crankbait said: "I could drive to 50 houses with family's using the system and they are all able to work, but wont get off thier lazy a##$%."

Then YOU are as guilty of cheating the system as they are because you HAVEN'T REPORTED THEM. You too are too lazy, or too scared. "It's not my job." YES IT BLOODY WELL IS. If you know of someone cheating the system and you don't report them, you are aiding and abetting the cheaters and are just as guilty as they are.

NancyP's picture
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Credible "iformation"?

Maybe you should "spend all day" learning spelling and grammar. I found nine errors in your post.

lawntobemowed's picture

Nicely

focused picture of the speaker Sun-Journal. You're web site is down to a crawl. Maybe too much Flash advertisements or the need for a bigger pipe.

crankbait's picture

I have some credible iformation

Ever hear the comment" its funny because it true" Same with this stereo type. I deal with this every day. I am only one person and I could spend all day showing these people that welfare is a scam. I could drive to 50 houses with family's using the system and they are all able to work, but wont get off thier lazy a##$%. Cause we feed it to them on a spoon. NO ITITIATIVE.

Timeless Wonders's picture
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I would consider your

I would consider your 'credible information' as anecdotal

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