Save Social Security

Social Security is not an entitlement. I paid into the Social Security system for 30 years. My husband paid into the Social Security system for 10 years but, because he went to work for the state of Maine for 27 years, he is not entitled to his full Social Security, only a very small amount.

The Social Security system is going bankrupt. Why? Because federal senators and congressmen decided to spend it.

If officials of any bank in America did what government officials have done, they would be in jail for embezzlement.

Instead of our government giving billions of dollars to warring Arab nations and the Palestinians, they should give the money back to Social Security.

The government mandated that all working people pay into Social Security. If people could opt out, they would have put that money into their own IRAs or savings accounts and been a lot richer.

Now, government officials are telling people that Social Security will soon be gone and the public, not them, will suffer the consequences. The ones who spent the money will never be held accountable and they will get a huge retirement check after only four years in office (paid for with tax dollars).

Welfare is an entitlement; MaineCare is an entitlement; rent relief is an entitlement; free college for illegals is an entitlement, and all the many other free programs that give away tax dollars to those who don’t or won’t work.

Mary Jane Newell, Oxford

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Steve  Dosh's picture

Save Social Security

. .We've beat this dead horse enough , huh ? Save social security from the tea party :) More to come . . ..surely /s, Dr. Dosh and ohana , Hawai'i http://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/ 11.09.21

Jason Theriault's picture

My generation, and future generations would just like to say....

Thanks.

Thanks for electing people who thought it was a good idea to spend your Social Security on other crap.
Thanks for letting them get away with it.
Thanks for letting government spend way above it's budget.
Thanks for now look at the half empty kitty, and in an effort to distance yourself from others who have their hands out looking for government salvation, make sure to differentiate that this isn't an entitlement.

And Thanks for saddling us with having to pay to get out of this mess.

Isn't it neat how the American dream went from a nuclear family living in a nice home to just having a job.

Having a job is the new American dream.

 's picture

You're welcome.

From the other end of the telescope, let me thank you.

Thanks for electing people who thought it was a good idea, in order to buy votes, to cut the tax that supports Social Security, hastening the day of its demise.

For all the other items you listed, thanks for electing people all too willing to perpetuate the myths surrounding this gigantic Ponzi scheme.

But you're wrong, Jason. The new American dream is for someone else to have a job, paying hefty taxes to support your indolence and ignorance.

Steve  Dosh's picture

Save Social Security

. .Why are ppl so worried about this issue ? Even http://www.aarp.org will tell you that social security is about the - only - solvent U S federal program right now . Privatize social security ? No , t y v m :) /s, Dr. Dosh , Hawai'i

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Take the Money out of Washington

Dear Mary,

You identify lots of valid points. In my opinion, our Federal Government has little to no respect for the rank and file tax payer. Our hard labor (tax revenues) are thrown around with impunity. Take for example the recent “Private Public Partnership” with Solyndra in Fremont California - $500 Million of taxpayer’s dollars gone up in smoke.

General William Shelton, head of Air Force Space Command, was pressured to change prepared congressional testimony in to favor a large Democratic donor. This is yet another example of not putting the tax payer’s interest over political favors.

Greed is part of the human condition, and with a large concentration of easy money (taken from the labor of others) in Washington, this behavior is no surprise to me. While we cannot take greed out the being human, we can take the money out of Washington and keep in the taxpayer’s pockets where it truly belongs.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

 's picture

Solyndra?

Do you mean the Solyndra loan the Bush admin began pushing in 2007?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Yeah, that one. Bush may have

Yeah, that one. Bush may have pushed it, but oBAMa turned into a scandal.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Lil, That is certainly a one

Lil,

That is certainly a one dimensional response. Perhaps we should step back and view this vertically instead of horizontally along party lines. Clearly the taxpayers lost. A more fundamental question would be to ask whether Government should be spending taxpayer’s money in that manner. For me, answer is a resounding NO.

Mark

 's picture

Predictable as sunrise.

As soon as you criticize the One's administration even indirectly, the apologists crawl out from under their rocks to deliver their standard telepromptery: Oh, yeah? Halliburton, Cheney, yellow cake, Aboo Grub, ... Get some new material, guys. Those oldies are way out of date.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Frosty, you left out weapons

Frosty, you left out weapons of mass destruction.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Mike, There is a reason why

Mike,
There is a reason why it is called “blind faith”. I’ll say no more.
Mark

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

In the land of the blind, the

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed Jack is King.

 's picture

Oh Danny boy

In 1997, when LOGCAP was again put up for bid, Halliburton-Brown & Root lost the compebreastion to another contractor, Dyncorp. But the Clinton Defense Department, rather than switch from Halliburton to Dyncorp, elected to award a separate, sole-source contract to Halliburton-Brown & Root to continue its work in the Balkans. According to a later GAO study, the Army made the choice because 1) Brown & Root had already acquired extensive knowledge of how to work in the area; 2) the company "had demonstrated the ability to support the operation"; and 3) changing contractors would have been costly. The Army's sole-source Bosnia contract with Brown & Root lasted until 1999. At that time, the Clinton Defense Department conducted full-scale compebreastive bidding for a new contract. The winner was . . . Halliburton-Brown & Root. The company continued its work in Bosnia uninterrupted.
That work received favorable notices throughout the Clinton administration. For example, Vice President Al Gore's National Performance Review mentioned Halliburton's performance in its Report on Reinventing the Department of Defense, issued in September 1996. In a section breastled "Outsourcing of Logistics Allows Combat Troops to Stick to Basics," Gore's reinventing-government team favorably mentioned LOGCAP, the cost-plus-award system, and Brown & Root, which the report said provided "basic life support services - food, water, sanitation, shelter, and laundry; and the full realm of logistics services - transportation, electrical, hazardous materials Debt Collection and disposal, fuel delivery, airfield and seaport operations, and road maintenance."

 's picture

No bid contracts to

No bid contracts to Halliburton just happned to have started under Slick Willy. That's a fact.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Haha...you jumped right into

Haha...you jumped right into the trap.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Let’s seek out the forest through the trees.

Dan,
We mainly comment on current events. I was not posting when Halliburton was current news. If I were, I would not have defended Halliburton. Let’s keep our discussions on current events instead of extrapolating to past history.

So ask yourself, what would you do if your employer asked you to do something unethical? You too have the choice to do it or resign; moreover, you have a duty to society to shed light on this unethical behavior, especially if the agency you work for suppose represent the public. Unethical behavior must always be challenged. On that note, General Shelton made the correct choice – he is a true patriot for his actions. He did, in fact, serve the public with dignity.

So tell me, what would you do?

In closing, let me leave you with this though. Given that Government is comprised of humans, and as such, subject to all human vices, are fallible. Blind faith in any political party, which is comprised of humans, is not rational.

Let’s seek out the forest through the trees.

Regards,
Mark Gravel

 's picture

You left out at least one choice.

Like everyone else in the US military, the general had to state this oath: "I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

If he believes his orders are un-Constitutional (unlawful), it is his sworn duty to testify to that belief. The shameful and cowardly act is to keep his mouth shut and do what he's told. It's no big surprise that certain commenters here would overlook the Constitution, what with it being a living-breathing document that can mean anything or nothing.

But, go home, Dan, and work on your tan.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Let’s not be like a sheet of paper

You are missing a key adjective: ..obey “lawful” orders.

The General has an obligation to disobey what he considers an unlawful order. Perhaps there should be a trial to see if congress’s request was unlawful? Let’s turn on the lights. Let’s search for the truth. Let’s not be like a sheet of paper – politically one dimensional.

 's picture

Nice point list.

David Gagnon forgot one interesting fact. When FDR and the Democrats set up SS back in the 30s, they chose a minimum age to receive benefits - 65, I think, or close to it. Whatever, it was higher than the life expectancy at that time! That is, they hoped and expected not to have to pay out a dime. Oops! Then we ungrateful workers started living longer. How unpatriotic.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Now, government officials

"Now, government officials are telling people that Social Security will soon be gone and the public, not them, will suffer the consequenses.
That's right, Mary Jane. And, oBAMa's answer to his Jobs ACT bill? Further lower the pay check tax deduction on what people pay into Social Security. He's going to create jobs and stimulate the economy by having current workers paying less into the Social Security coffers.That's like having workers pick their own pockets. How sick is that?

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Good observation

Mike,
Good observation, yet another reason to keep money out of Washington and in the tax payer’s pocket.
Regards,
Mark Gravel

Joe Morin's picture

Hey Pirate

I would be willing to donate the thousands of dollars i've paid in if the government stops taking. I would like to invest it privately and appreciate a better return. The govt. Can't do that for obvious reasons.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I know what you're saying,

I know what you're saying, Joe, but I wouldn't give those bastards a nickel they didn't have coming to them.

 's picture

Oh Danny boy,

When Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65%
on the first $90,000

3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the
general operating fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed
as income.

Under Clinton & Gore
Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
now receiving a Social Security check every month --
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put
away' -- you may be interested in the following:

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democrat
controlled House and Senate.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democrat Party.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democrat Party, with Al Gore casting the
'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democrat Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!

------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want
to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Now 7.65% on the first

Now 7.65%
on the first $106,000

RONALD RIML's picture

So David....

When can we expect the Republicans to reverse these 'outrages?'

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Ron, As long as you look to

Ron,

As long as you look to Washington for the solution, whether your savior are Democrats, Republicans, or , you’ll have no solution for they are the problem.

Regards, Mark Gravel

RONALD RIML's picture

Mark;

How simplistic.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Ron, Sometimes the truth is

Ron,

Sometimes the truth is simple.
Mark

 's picture

sources?

What, not even one source for your assertions?

 's picture

Here's a source.

Would you trust the SSA? There's lots of interesting data there. For example, Social Security and Medicare Tax Rates, where you can trace the hikes from 1% up to the current gouging. More interesting is Contribution and Benefit Base, where to can see the changes to the earnings cap. This was changed much more frequently than the rate so our invertebrate politicians could say they didn't raise the SS tax.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Fact is fact, Lilly. What's

Fact is fact, Lilly. What's he supposed to do, quote
Funk & Wagnel?

Joe Morin's picture

lol

You're showing your age pirate... that was my grams expression. "Go look that up in your Funk & Wagner"

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Haha...didn't realize the

Haha...didn't realize the expression was that dated.

Joe Morin's picture

That argument only works if

That argument only works if he is making false assertions... if you believe that then refute the points he has made. This a blog, not a term paper.

 's picture

false assertions

Well then, here's a couple of false assertions: "Social Security (FICA) Program" implies SS and FICA are one and the same. Uh, no. SS is part of FICA, but not the whole thing. Or how 'bout this one: "Now 7.65% on the first $90,000". Uh, wrong again. Currently 4.2% on the first $106,800, http://goo.gl/NJt2r (WARNING! Link to actual FACT!)

Joe Morin's picture

see!

That's the right way to do things. Proud of ya.

 's picture

Like I've told you people

Like I've told you people before, get off your lazy behind and prove me wrong. I set out the facts, you need to show me I'm wrong.

 's picture

Bottom line...

My paycheck said, right on it in black and white (or what ever color they were using on my check) that this amount of money is for MY Social Security. It said that for 53 years. If that money is no longer there, it has been stolen. Those who stole it need to either put it back or go to jail, like any other thief. I don't want anything special. Just the money taken out of MY paycheck for 53 years.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Amen to that, Brother.

Amen to that, Brother.

Joe Morin's picture

Invested = spent

Those investments total to trillions towards the social security trust fund. In other words, a mountain of IOU's to the citizens savings account also knoiwn as social security. The I.O.U.'s are an obligation to the U.S. Govt. and are currently accounted for in the national deficit.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

When did using Social

When did using Social Security funds to turn it into a welfare program (SSI) for slackers, fakers, addicts and drunks become "US backed securities"?

 's picture

My daughter...

...who is now 50 years old and still living at home, was born without a functioning thyroid. I won't go into detail but you could look up, if you're at all interested, to see how that manifests itself. You will find that's not unusual in an adult, but it was the first time, ever, it was diagnosed in a newborn infant. I also will not go into detail about what we then had to go through as parents. She receives Social Security disability and for several years, SSI. You can choose to believe me or not, but she is not a slacker, she is not a faker, she is not an addict and she is not a drunk. We used her SSI to teach her about a very important abstract - money. Another abstract she had trouble with was telling time. I would be interested, very interested, to know how you characterize her.

 's picture

Show me.

Do something positive for a change.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

And we aim to keep it that

And we aim to keep it that way, T...

 's picture

more...

"3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,
No longer tax deductible"
"There was never any provision of law making the Social Security taxes paid by employees deductible for income tax purposes. In fact, the 1935 law expressly forbid this idea, in Section 803 of Title VIII." http://goo.gl/dRS39

 's picture

even more?

"That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed
as income."

"The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April 1983." http://goo.gl/dRS39

 's picture

and my favorite...

"Jimmy Carter and the Democrat Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even though they never paid a dime into it!"

"Neither immigrants nor anyone else is able to collect Social Security benefits without someone paying Social Security payroll taxes into the system." http://goo.gl/dRS39

 's picture

okay

Well then I say social security is about to triple everybody's benefits and allow retirement at 35. Prove me wrong.

Joe Morin's picture

you are so random

Where Dan wishes there was smoke he will go start a fire.

Joe Morin's picture

which is inaccurate?

What part of his outline on S.S. is inaccurate? Most of that stuff is common knowledge... but god forbid you miss an opportunity to talk down to or slander someone

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

It's all accurate, true and

It's all accurate, true and mostly common knowledge, but we're not dealing with common people here, Joe.

Jim Cyr's picture

Excellent comeback

Mr. Gagnon. Too bad sooooo many "sheeple" live on a street named Denial !!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

And you call me the cliche

And you call me the cliche king?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Republicans are against

Republicans are against Social Security...it's laughable.

Joe Morin's picture

He's not a man, he'S a machine.

A little Rocky quote. Because despite that this info was just laid and Dan denied none if it he still said his pre-recorded response. Just got a flash, Dan as Kieth Olberman for halloween.

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