S. Drane: Some questions

Can democracy survive without people continually challenging the unfair distribution of power?

Why have there been no prosecutions for the criminal activity of 2008 on Wall Street and beyond?

How come many of the companies that were bailed out are now back making billions?

Why don't the people in the 99 percent back Occupy Wall Street protesters for being courageous for the rest of us?

We should change all the elected , ineffective Congresspeople and also put all our money in local credit unions.

Stephen Drane, Auburn

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PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"How come many of the

"How come many of the companies that were bailed out are now back making billions?"
Is Mr. Drane suggesting that the purpose of bailing them out was to have them fail again?
"Why don't the people in the 99 percent back Occupy Wall Street protesters for being courageous for the rest of us?"
Maybe, Stephen, it's because some of us see them as lice infested, smelly, do-nothing and unruly mobs.

 's picture

Mr. Drane, the reason that the people in the 99%

don't back the OWS protesters is because, in reality, most of us don't give a sh!#.
We have to work for a living and raise families and don't have the spare time to join an opposition movement that doesn't even have clear goals.
It's hard for someone to care about a cause when the people who are out there complaining are wearing LL Bean jackets and UGG boots while those of us who really need the help shop at wal-mart.
The really sad thing is that, in spite of all the crap that we see going on every day, most of us are going to go out and vote the same way we've always voted when the time comes. We'll do this because, in reality, we are afraid of change. We'll do it because we are sheep.
Yes, there will be some who will buck the system, but not nearly enough to make a change. And even if there is a small hiccup in the numbers, it won't be enough to change the way things are done in either Augusta or DC.
This train has a full head of steam and the brake handle is missing.

Larry Mayes's picture

SOME QUESTIONS

Stephen, Much of this "UNFAIR DISTRIBUTION" comes from a Congress that slices their part of the pie first by by accepting funds and insider info from BIG BUSINESS. You vote for career politicians, you support Big Business. Unless you are a major stockholder, you can't fire misbehaving CEOs, but YOU CAN FIRE that politician who gives you and your neighbors nothing for all the money you pay and the regulations they impose on you and oppress the futures you hooped for you and your next generations.

Why aren't these people prosecuted? Has Eric Holder prosecuted and major contributor to the President or who otherwise supports the President's causes? I am certain you believe in justice, but justice has NOT happened in three to eight years, if not more with recent Congresses or this administration. If you want someone prosecuted, get rid of the obstructions, President Obama, Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano, etc. Hopefully the constituents of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will see that damage they have done and will vote nancy out and recall Harry Reid.

Big Business is doing well because Congress's legislations suppresses competition to Big Business, the millions of independent business owners who take the biggest risks of all, their life's savings and their souls to make their business flourish dispite Congress heaping more regulation on them because they aren't in the top tier of campaign contributors. With more money they can contribute millions split among hundreds of candidates keep two-bit puppet politicians in office and you on the brink of owing an allegiance for the paltry entitlement you may receive, if the professional "WELFARE TAKERS" don't take the last "Chinese" dimes. One of my best friends is Chinese, but Chinese-American relations is just ugly politics where China is also at risk.

Occupy Wall Street is just a bunch of well-meaning fire fighters trying to put out a 100 alarm fire. All of the "Occupy" sites have been identified and found under partial misdirection of the Obama administration or by proxy to the paid and easily recruited protesters. The sincere protesters are marginalized by the unruly and crass. The main problem is that POLITICAL RHETORIC, has them fighting this fire in the wrong city (THEY SHOULD BE IN WASHINGTON DC) and your network news would prefer not to let anyone know. That 99% is NOT the real number as many receiving something for nothing only want more and won't even step forward to for fear of jeopardizing their free ride. Because you perhaps watch network news you may have missed the growing number who are opposing the current administration's tactics of creating job by regulating business to suppress job creators and mandate you in aspects of your life.

You asked these questions that all point to the last question. What has your Congressman or woman done to alert you to the damage being done to your country? Have their answers been to recite more layers of legislation (spending) to make you feel better or have they just voted in the roughly 95%+ Obama or "progressive" way to keep you sliding into the deep abyss as Maine's delegation seems to have done for most of the past decade!

There is no part time belief in the Constitution as President Obama would want you to believe. In this election I want to start out by reading the Constitution, then look for candidates who believe in it.

Joe Morin's picture

Bravo Larry

This is an accurate account of the conversation I had last night with a friend whom I often disagree with. We set aside the auto-defenses and outlined what you have said. The middle class, which has always been the strength of our Republic is being squeezed from both sides. You articulated this point in a way I could not. Thank you

Steve  Dosh's picture

S. Drane: Some questions

Steve , 11.12.13 5 pm hst •
Some answers , 1 ) Democracy will and must survive . It's a love affaire and one can not imagine where it is likely to go better except right here on Earth , 2 ) Enron ® ? There have been prosecutions and people have been put in jail ( Bernie Madoff comes to mind as does Bush's BS bailout - Bear Stearn ). Mind you , Steve , former Atty General Ashcroft hasn't been censured for approving waterboarding . 3 ) It's true . Apple ® has been valued at more than Exxon ® . That doesn't seem right , either [ R I P Steve Jobs ;] The business of America is simply . .business . 4 ) The 99% are simply in hibernation , Steve http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_global_prot.... We'll be back in the Spring in the same ? 8 0 countries worldwide and every U S city >30,000 inhabitants . b t w - " Occupy was the - word - of 2011
Happy New Year 2 0 1 2
/s, a credit union member and supporter *<;)

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(1) Democracy is thriving!

Just look at Egypt, Greece, Libya, ... coming soon to Europe - all examples of mob-rule, the pinnacle of democracy beloved by Communists and dictators everywhere.

(2) There have been no prosecutions because the alleged perps are all well connected politically, one side or the other. The latest example is John i-dont-know what-happened-to-1.5-billion Corzine.

(3) Would you prefer those companies had been allowed to fail? Yup, me too.

(4) Because OWS does not represent the 99%, they just claim to.

(5) I agree with your plan for Congress, but your money will be safer in a coffee can buried in the back yard.

The real question (1) is: Can the Republic survive? Probably not, given the number of Americans who seem perfectly willing to chuck it away.

Steve  Dosh's picture

. .l o l , Mike ?  # 5 ) You

. .l o l , Mike ? 
# 5 ) You might be a sled neck if . .... .
http://emailsanta.com/naughty_nice.asp HOhoH0hOº• *<;Q~

Joe Morin's picture

The funny thing Mike...

Is when the mob willfully votes away their freedoms and immediately starts to attack those of others. Enter the Muslim Brotherhood, christian persicution and a withdraw of previous peace treaties that maintained some semblance of stability.

Jason Theriault's picture

To be fair

To be fair, I haven't heard of the Muslim brotherhood using strong arm tactics or oppression. Matter of fact, they have been criticized by al-Qaeda for supporting democratic methods and non-violence. They have done lots of relief work and disaster relief.

I'm not saying don't be weary, but give them a chance. Just because they have "Muslim" in their name doesn't mean they are going to fly planes into buildings.

Joe Morin's picture

Unrelated

I know that this isn't Egypt but I was shocked when I read these stories recently. I know it's not hip to judge the actions of other cultures but go ahead, call me ethnocentric. http://news.yahoo.com/pakistani-police-rescue-chained-students-seminary-...
http://www.thebestschools.org/bestschoolsblog/2011/12/03/wrong-culture-right-teacher’s-surprising-discovery/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-saudi-woman-beheaded,0,591086.story
Egypt is now a country that voluntary elected a fundamental Islamic organisation that WILL impose strict Sharia law. Ayatolla Komeini anyone???

Joe Morin's picture

A side of Islam in Egypt

The message is the important issue here. I understand you probably don't frequent the blaze but it is one of probably a dozen news outlets i follow.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-coptic-christian-testifies-befo...
Now Jason, I can't predict the future but when has a theocracy been good for its citizens? The argument is no longer academic when people are hunted and shot like animals. Islam isn't famous for their acceptance of other beliefs...or women...or...

 's picture

In the early 1930s ...

... many Germans said "Let's be fair and give Hitler a chance. After all, he likes dogs and little children."

Jason Theriault's picture

Don't be that guy.

Jason Theriault's picture

To those who disagree

Until the Muslim Brotherhood kills millions of Jews, comparing them to Hitler is stupid.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Thinking no one is going to

Thinking no one is going to disagree with your point of view, is equally stupid.

 's picture

In the early 1930s, Hitler

In the early 1930s, Hitler had not yet killed millions of Jews, although he had published his intentions for the world to read long since. Very few paid attention; very many paid a price for that inattention.

A good working definition of stupid is, aside from posting juvenile images, ignoring the evidence right in front of you. I nominate Jason Theriault for the office of president of the Maine chapter of the Neville Chamberlain Fan Club.

Jason Theriault's picture

Your logic is flawed.

Chamberland was the Prime minister when German was already defying the Versailles Treaty. I'm not saying don't watch them, I'm saying that before you compare them to Nazi German, wait for them to at least kill someone, eh?

The reason I posted the juvenile picture was that your response either had to be either purely to invoke a response (i.e. trolling)or your actually comparing the Holocaust to an election. So, I'm supposed to take you seriously, when you cheapen the deaths of millions of people by comparing them to Muslim brotherhood? Hell, even al-Qaeda hasn't come close to Nazi Germany. So, if you can't make your point without invoking the Nazi's, don't bother.

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The brotherhood's motto is:

“Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

You want to jump into the sack with them, Jason? You go first.

The best way to cheapen the deaths of millions is to close your eyes and pretend it can't happen again. Memo to Mahmoud: Proceed any time. No one here will stop you.

Jason Theriault's picture

I'm not saying be wary. What

I'm not saying be wary. What I'm saying is:
1. Don't invoke Hitler or Nazi Germany. They are an 11 on the evil scale, and if a group is as evil as them, they wont need to be compared to the Nazi's.

2. They are a peaceful Muslim organization. Jihad means many things, and most non crazy Muslims equate it with "Struggle" as in the struggle against evil. I can list all sorts of comments from Christian fundamentalists where they take words and twist the meaning as al Qaeda has done with Jihad. Give them a chance, because we may not agree with what they say, but if we can build ties with a Muslim democracy, it would do wonders in not only fighting terrorism, but our place in world politics.

Jason Theriault's picture

Woops.

I meant to say I'm not saying don't be wary.

Steve  Dosh's picture

. .We understand m S†ig. .er

. .We understand m S†ig. .er Jason :) , We do .
Most people do not celebrate a Christ-mass , Christ , Allah , Mohummed or Yaweh ( our Western Islamic , Jewish , and Christian Gods )
- M o s t - people are some variation of Buddist in this world ( Shinto , Confuscious , Hindu , Tao , you name it :) . Billions
Let there be light ( and maybe some more ~ heat ~ ) and peace on earth and goodwill towards all men and women of fai†h
Melé Kalikimaka <3 /s, Steve Dosh , Pahoa u s a 96778
Santa is on his way kids --> http://www.noradsanta.org/en/index.html <---

Jason Theriault's picture

More Heat?

Arn't you in Hawaii? It must be harsh with the 70 degree christmas =)

Joe Morin's picture

He have the...

...the highest corporate tax rate in the world & also the most loopholes! We need to lower the rate and close the holes. The 30 largest corporations pay next to nothing in taxes and the burden falls upon medium and small businesses. If we set a flat tax so companies can project for the future and provide an amnesty for companies to repatriate their oversea's holdings we could take a huge step. Most importantly Stephen the OWS protestors don't represent me.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"fairness and equality". Yup,

"fairness and equality". Yup, no one has to bathe. Everyone gets to stink fairly and equally.

Joe Morin's picture

You're Right

You've swayed me with your intelligent arguments and poignant thoughts. P.S. Dan. No talking politics around the dinner table this holiday Dan. Wouldn't want to make the family as miserable as yourself. Joyeux Noel!!!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Noel had better not mean

"Noel had better not mean Christmas", chimed the sly and liberal parrot. "It's supposed to be 'Joyeux Holiday'"

Joe Morin's picture

funny you bring that up

I sent a letter to the editor today in regards to this very subject... it will make a good topic for tomorrow.

Jason Theriault's picture

Easier said than done

The problem is that to close the loophole you have to go after things that both sides love like deductions.

Joe Morin's picture

I agree

Lol, doing anything constructive in D.C. is easier said than done. People get hung up on wealthy individuals paying more taxes. But my question in regards to wealthy individuals & corporations can we truly talk intelligently about tax rates if people won't take the time to understand the deductions available that skew the true percentage collected.

Jason Theriault's picture

Hyperbole gets in the way

I agree with you that appearance is everything in DC. Can't appear to be giving in, or you get crucified, regardless of the side your on. And the other side will never give you credit for compromising.

The other issue is income disparity. The top 1%(and don't freak out that I'm using Occupy Wall Street terms) has seen their income increase rapidly while the lower 50% has seen income remain stagnant. There are many reasons for this, including manufacturing jobs moving overseas, but it really isn't the fault of the rich. It's an economic decision by business who look at the bottom line instead of what is good for the country. And we are as much to blame as anyone. We run to WalMart to consume Chinese production, only caring about the bottom line. But the rich are an easy target when there is no real easy solutions and we are as guilty as anyone.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

EUREKA....something from the

EUREKA....something from the HAZMAT division that the Pirate can agree with.

Jason Theriault's picture

Easier said than done

The problem is that to close the loophole you have to go after things that both sides love like deductions.

Jason Theriault's picture

Sorry for the double post

Sorry for the double post

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The parrot sez he thinks it's

The parrot sez he thinks it's just because you like to hear yourself type. 0O:-)

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