R. Caron: Republican foolishness

It is amazing to listen to the Republican candidates running to become the next president. I swear, they are working hard enough to become the next pope.

There is family values, with Newt Gringrich preaching about the sanctity of marriage. Mitt Romney, like the Vatican, has millions yet is unable to relate to the lower class (except to fire them). Rick Santorum, a devout Catholic, preaches about abortion and gay marriage.

It never fails, abortion and gay marriage are always spoken of in the same sentence.

Those men are against abortion, yet they practice a form of abortion every time they speak — aborting the rights of gays and lesbians on a daily basis.

Many say being gay is a choice. I can speak only of my own family, being the oldest of seven, with 13 offspring, five of whom are openly gay. Yes, I have a choice: to be open or to lock myself in a very unhealthy closet.

It is time to separate government and religious issues. This nation needs a president who is willing to help and respect all Americans.

Those who want to restore family values by daily quoting Scripture should look into becoming preachers, not elected government officials.

President Barack Obama was given a major task, left behind by Republican George W. Bush. It was a mess that accumulated during Bush's eight years in office. Obama should get another four years to fix the chaos left behind by the Bush administration.

Rolande Caron, South Paris

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Mike Lachance's picture

QUOTE: "Obama was given a

QUOTE: "Obama was given a major task, left behind by Republican George W. Bush. It was a mess that accumulated during Bush's eight years in office. Obama should get another four years to fix the chaos left behind by the Bush administration."

Perhaps the most shallow statement around. This opinion fails to acknowledge that the GWB admin and GOP lost control of Congress (completely, 100%, in-totality) in 2006. Three (3) years of DEM control coincided with three (3) years of economic collapse in the US. Furthermore, on now less than seventeen (17) occaisions GWBush warned publicly of the dangers Fannie-Mae and Freddy-Mac were facing without immediate reform. Moreover, RINO-extraordinaire (but nonetheless Republican) also warned congress publicly on-the-record of the same dangers. The DEMOCRATIC controlled congress ignored these warnings over and over, indeed DEMOCRAT Barney Frank defended the policies that were in danger and lauded them as solid, sound and solvent.

From 2006 to 2009 The Dems ruled the roost. GWB's biggest mistake was "going along to get along" with the Dems, and McCain followed suit. The Dems are and were responsinble for the housing crisis and the economic collase of this nation. It is now 2012. The Dems had complete control of BOTH houses for four (4) years... 2006-2010 and have had complete control of the Senate for EIGHT (8) YEARS... (2006-2012.

Blaming the problems on BUSH is naive at best and willfully dishonest.

This economy belongs to the DEMs and OBAMA.

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Obama should get another four years ...

AL PELLETIER's picture

cute

Romney,"I don't care about the poor, they have a safety net". WOW! talk about abandoning ship for the 99%.
Your best hope for America is DITW. (dead in the water) if your not a navy man.

Joe Morin's picture

Confusing...

Being a conservative independent, Libertarian to be exact, I was kinda feeling you Rolande but your conclusion was not supported by your statement. Go take a class on critical thinking and understand the path toward logical conclussions.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Let he who is without sin

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Joe Morin's picture

lol...

You want to play this game again Dan? We went through this 6 months ago. A. You're grammar is not always correct & you post from home. I'm in Wilmington N.C.posting on my phone. B. My grammar does not change my intent C. Grow up

 's picture

Your in trubble now, Joe.

Just a few days ago, our pal Dan exposed himself (bad phrase - oh, well) as a serious xenophobe, when he told a member living in Wyoming that he had no authority to comment on the US Constitution. Everyone knows Wyoming is not one of the 57 states. I join you in your part (C), but advise you not to hold your breath.

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Trust me too, Danny, ...

... I can afford to be generous. I'm guessing you're old enough to know that taste is more than that squeal of delight you emit when you bite into a quarter pounder. Maybe not. Most of your comments read like they were composed in a 7th grade boys' room.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

That is according to IRS

That is according to IRS records, which some would consider a fairly valid source.

JOANNE MOORE's picture

Republican Presidential hopefuls...

...that put themselves out there as paragons of virtue are nothing but thugs on the take. They live high on the hog while much of our nation festers in joblessness, misery and poverty. None of them have a plan, with the exception of Ron Paul, to bring back American manufacturing and shore up the middle class.

They speak the language of division, sneering at the least fortunate amongst us. They work the audience up into a frenzy, hitting the "hot buttons" like gay marriage, abortion or welfare and laugh at the poor fools who actually believe their lies.

They act like christian jihadists and tell us we are all going to hell in a handbasket if we do not endorse their beliefs. Yet all the while live the life of luxury and ease whilst so many good Americans see their dreams shattered because of the greed of a few.

Heck. I guess you could say the same about any politician. Most of them are millionaires, after all. And most of them could give a rat's arse about we the people.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

..."aborting the rights and

..."aborting the rights and gays on a daily basis".."It never fails, abortion and gay marriage are always spoken of in the same sentence."
Is Rolande suggesting that two lesbians or two homosexuals getting married is more socially compelling than the murdering of tens of thousands of unborn babies through abortions?

Mike Lachance's picture

AMEN!

AMEN!

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Just curious.

How do you feel about artificial insemination, where thousands of children are created artificially.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You'll have to remain curious

You'll have to remain curious on that one. Just sayin'.

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That's OK.

You answered my question.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

That's why I did not answer

That's why I did not answer your question. I knew you already knew the preconceived answer to it, and anything I said would be nothing but fodder for your point of view. You underestimate the Pirate's ability to sniff out an ambush.

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OH NO!!!!

I KNOW YOU'RE THE SMARTEST MAN ON EARTH AND HAVE NEVER BEEN WRONG.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Truthfully,Woody, I'm

Truthfully,Woody, I'm ambivalent on that subject. Notice I did not holler at you?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

My ex-wife used to say that

My ex-wife used to say that to me all the time. She was wrong, too.

AL PELLETIER's picture

And how about that Mitt?

Americans are flooding the streets and city parks to protest corporate greed. The Mitt is a documented corporate raider who has made millions with no regard for the 99%, pays less then 15% Federal Income Tax, gives 7 million to the Mormon Church for a tax write off, hides money in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland, initiated Romney care is Massachusetts but says he'll eliminate Obama care nation wide and now stands at a podium saying he is the only legitimate candidate for president in the GOP. What a JOKE! Speaking of joke, how about that Newt!

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"The Mitt is a documented

"The Mitt is a documented corporate raider who has made millions with no regard for the 99%, pays less than 15% Federal Income Tax"...
Al, Mitt has broken no laws. 87% of the people who pay federal income taxes, pay less than 15%.
Speaking of jokes, how about that combo of oBAMa bin Biden?

AL PELLETIER's picture

The Mitt

No, he hasn't broken the law because he can afford to hire fancy lawyers to safe guard his ever growing nest egg. PLEASE provide me proof that 87% of federal income taxpayers pay less then 15%. Even Newt and Obama pay a higher %. I think the parrot is going to be eating some crickets. Hell, all my working life I paid 22% plus and I was pretty shewed with my tax nickel.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The parrot sez you paid 22%

The parrot sez you paid 22% because you were among the upper 13% that were making the big bucks. FYI, he won't eat crickets; prefers escargot.

AL PELLETIER's picture

%

Where the F#*&^ do you get all those percentages? I here crickets.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

IRS Dept. of Records.

IRS Dept. of Records.

AL PELLETIER's picture

all I get is "disagree" from your groopies.

I hear crickets. Go find a snail for the parrot.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Be nice; you're beginning to

Be nice; you're beginning to sound like Tron.

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There's plenty of foolishness to go around.

It's foolish to compare some positions on religion, abortion and gay marriage to the absolute carnage created by BHO. Sure he inherited problems - the only president who didn't was George Washington. But he has spent three years making everything much, much worse. If he gets another term, you and everyone else will have a brand new definition of chaos.

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Name one

The economy turned around within 3 months of his taking office. He has been one of the most effective Presidents in foreign policy in the last 50 years. He hasn't fixed foreclosures (and there is little any president can do to fix them without closing the banks). He's fixed much of the health care problem in the country (if not health care than uninsured consumers). So wheree is this everything that is so much worse.

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Yup, things are great!

The economy is wonderful - unless you like to eat, have to commute, are trying to keep warm, and would like to plan for the future farther out than two weeks.

Foreign policy is wonderful - if you like the spectacle of POTUS bowing and scraping, when he's not insulting allies.

Health care is just so affordable now - unless you get sick or hurt. But take heart - very soon you'll think of this time as the good old days.

The foreclosure problem is, I have to admit, getting better with the late and unlamented departure of the vaudeville team of Frank & Dodd, the prancing fools.

Yup, what could anyone possibly complain about?

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I realize Republicans must say the sky is falling

Economy - compared to economic collapse, ever increasing unemployment, frozen credit, non-existent profits, reduced wages, and inflation; I'd say it is wonderful. Not great like under Clinton but then he had only to deal with a mild Republican housing bubble and no financial collapse.
Foreign policy - ridiculous comment hasving no merit.
Health Care - again no comment of merit. Doesn't even fully kick in until 2014
Foreclosure - again nothing worth commenting on.

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In 1933 most Germans ...

... had similar opinions about their economy. If you close your mind and your senses, anything appears rosy - as did Clinton's policies until the bubble burst, and I'm not talking about Monica.

No comment? You better comment now. Pretty soon you won't be allowed to. That's always the pattern approaching totalitarianism - check the SDS little red playbook.

Joe Morin's picture

Mike...

Jon's and many other's premise is based upon a notion that we can incure debt indefinitely without any serious ramifications. We have yet to see the full effects of our reckless spending, Quanatative easings and dollar manipulations yet because it seems stable in comparison to the Euro. How about India buying oil from Iran in Ruplee's. The common denominator in world trade for decades has been the dollar standard. As we slowly see countries phase that out, so will they phase out our ability to manipulate our currency and printing presses. That will induce hyper-inflation. Wheel barrel of dollars for a loaf. Heard that before???

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Sorry you are wrong

"Jon's and many other's premise is based upon a notion that we can incure debt indefinitely...." I don't believe any such thing. In fact, I think the current ntional deficit is currently the most significant threat to America's role in the world and to each of our's standard of living.
1. But I identify the real causes of our debt - the Republican plan (Grover Norquist's plan) to bankrupt America.
2. I recognize the solution is to oppose that plan and all its implications.
3. Foreign trade dropping the US dollar as the media of exchange will not bring about hyper-inflation by itself.
4. We have time to correct the problem. Defeat any and all Republicans (can't solve the problem with the cause controlling the government). Slowly as the economy will allow eliminate the current structural deficit by reducing spending, increasing the marginal Federal Income Tax rate (not the tax rate) on incomes above $1,000,000 to about 50% (as they were under President Eisenhower), reverse all tax and other policies that encourage the export of American jobs, provide incentives to manufacturing here, increase educational achievement here, strengthen regulations, and most importantly bring the financial sector under control starting with jailing those responsible for the recent economic collapse.
5. When national debt is reduced to 25% of GDP return to normal economic policies.

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22 million jobs 3.8% economic growth over 8 years

When did the bubble burst?

As long as we keep Republicans out of office approaching totalitarianism is a very long way off. For example, only republicans support the idea that a Governor like in Michigan should have the power to void elections.

GARY SAVARD's picture

WOW!!! I apparently missed

WOW!!! I apparently missed all that good stuff BHO accomplished during the past three years! Alas Jon, I'm not alone because even the Prez is campaigning for re-election based, once again, on all the good things he wants to do for this country...He IS NOT campaigning on his record as the most effective president in the past 50 years. You rant so.

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Didn't write that

I wrote "most effective Presidents in foreign policy in the last 50 years". You missed those little words "in foreign policy". I would agree that his Affordable Health Care law was simply a Republican re-hash which was not in the interests of the country as a whole and that it took attention away from economic recovery which was too slow and not focused enough. But that puts him still a head of Ford, Carter, Bush I, and Bush II. And ahead of everyone on foreign policy since Nixon.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You'd have to come out from

You'd have to come out from under your rock to see it all, Jon.

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Translation

You are right, Jon. We have no facts.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Actually, we've not come to

Actually, we've not come to convert with facts, but to analyze and laugh.

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Agreed

Why would a revolutionary radical (conservative) deal with fatcs better to analyze magical thinking

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Disguising a multiple choice

Disguising a multiple choice question as a trick question leads one to but one conclusion; wizardry?

 's picture

No wizardy involved.

If you don't deal in facts and RR's (conservatives don't) then analysis must be limited to magical thinking.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

That's exactly why the

That's exactly why the country is at such an impasse. Conservatives and liberals accuse each other of the very same things. Nobody's right when everybody's wrong. Neither side is right all the time; neither side is wrong all the time. But guess what? You can't get either side to even agree to that. Pretty hopeless cause. There is no room for reason since neither side will budge. Meanwhile, America flushes itself down the toilet of economic ruination.

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Can't agree with you more.

I can trace my facts and figures back to a valid, independent, and reliable sources like US Government figures, Almanacs in this case etc. What you don't see on "conservative" comments is their source or if you do its from a purely partisan group (Heritage Foundation, AEI, etc). And you will see a response to real numbers of "OH yea". Not an alternative number. that's why its so difficult to converse with conservatives. They have their personal "facts" which can't be verified any where else. You would think they would accept Government deficit numbers (they don't).
Also they sacrifice the "facts" to their ideology. Republican basic principle is lower taxes are always good. Well when taxes are zero (Paul recently said that this is best), its obviously not good unless you want to do away with all government, our nation, the Constitution, and all of our traditions.
They arrive at this obviously false idea following Austrian Economics. This is an economic theory which has never been implemented, never tried, not accepted by more than a small cult of economists and has as its fundamental basis that its conclusions can never be empirically tested (in their view all economic theories should be derived from mind games not data or analysis).
Why do they do that. Because it theories are the only ones that comport to ultra-individualism and reject all forms of collective, social interactions. And that champion the idea that the winner no matter how he has won is morally, economically, politically, and socially superior to all others. And therefore comports to a society of elites.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Man, I get it now...only

Man, I get it now...only liberals can be right; all the time. Why couldn't I see that before?

 's picture

Is not impossible for RR's to be right

But since 1968, I haven't seen the occasion so you may be right.

RONALD RIML's picture

The only thing he made worse was your

pizzing and moaning....

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And your pandering, ...

... dissembling, and silly misspellings. In addition to trashing the economy and relations with most of our allies and ... endless list.

RONALD RIML's picture

Excuse me all to hell

Excuse me all to hell

That was Bush who trashed the economy and relations with most of our allies.

Bush signed Tarp if you recall to start fixing things - and the world was so glad to see him gone they gave Obama the Nobel Peace prize just for replacing his warmongering ass.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

How many divorces in the

How many divorces in the Kennedy family? They're all "practicing Catholics".

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Your question tells me that

Your question tells me that you were able to see the hypocrisy in your own statement. A Catholic divorce is a Catholic divorce, is it not?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You think I'm a protestant?

You think I'm a protestant?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Except the Kennedys. They get

Except the Kennedys. They get a pass on their divorces and are still allowed to receive the Sacraments, eh? I don't care if Newt's a Catholic or not. I do know that the Kennedys and their money are hypocrites.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Prove me wrong; the Kennedys

Prove me wrong; the Kennedys have divorces up the gazoo in their clan (0O:-) and get a pass while Newt gets ragged on for two divorces only because he's a republican and happens to be running for president. The clarity of the hypocrisy is obvious to all but the blindest of the blind.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

So, if you don't like Newt

So, if you don't like Newt and you don't like Mitt; who do you like?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I know what you mean about

I know what you mean about Romney; not without flaw. Ron Paul would be a good candidate, but I doubt seriously that you would vote for him instead of BHO. Paul, also has flaws. That's the problem with presidential candidates. Not a one of them is perfect. We always seem to be voting for the lesser of two evils. BTW--republicans won't nominate Paul. He's way too off the mainstream reservation for the party. And, as I've told you often, but you seem to choose not to hear it, I am NOT a republican. I'd vote for a good JFK or Lieberman type democrat, but the Holy Grail would be easier to find.

RONALD RIML's picture

Still has to work at it.....

One molested alter boy trumps five divorces.

RONALD RIML's picture

He hasn't

He hasn't

That's why he still has a lot more work to do......

RONALD RIML's picture

Six disagrees??

So Newt HAS molested alter boys???

Tell us about it, Puh-leaze!!!

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