PHOTO: Sun lights up wind power

Terry Karkos/Sun Journal

Dwarfing camps at Roxbury Pond on Wednesday, Record Hill Wind LLC turbines are lit up by the afternoon sun breaking through overcast skies. As viewed from out on the frozen pond, the blades slowly spun noiselessly in a light breeze.

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Jack Kaubris's picture

The wind is a howlin'

Did any of the hundreds of people on the pond this weekend for the 'Derby' hear anything from the turbines? I didn't. I went up again today (Monday) - the wind was howling and all the turbines were turning full bore...and all I heard was...the wind howling. I am very disappointed. I will keep trying and let you know when/if I hear something.

Jack Kaubris's picture

In search of noise/glitter

I have made several trips to the Pond in hopes of hearing the elusive call of the turbines and/or witnessing the great glitter first hand. I have yet to hear anything but the wind blowing. I have gone so far as to ask the people around me to please be quiet so that I may hear the turbines. Again, nada. I will try again this weekend in hope that between the ice augers and snowmobiles I will hear that terrible sound. It is my hope that the turbines are loud enough this summer to dull the incessant sound of the ATV's and jet skis on and around our peaceful pond.

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no you don't

ok I live one mile from Route 2. Most days I hear traffic, here and there. Along comes that foggy day and the semi sounds like it is going to land on my porch. In the summer Harley's come and go.

But, this fog lasts for days and I hear the thumming of turbines behind me. On and on intermally.

Oh that is right... I can call the WIND company and they will turn the turbine off, for me.

nimby

Jack Kaubris's picture

I hear you Alice

It is like me calling the Mill when it's making all that noise...Just not gonna happen. You live one mile from Rt 2 and you can hear the turbines in Roxbury? Can you give me an approximate location where I might be able to hear this thumming sound?

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Saddleback Ridge Carthage

My land is 2000 feet from a proposed turbine. Yes I will hear them. I do believe there is no way I can complain about noise.

Jack Kaubris's picture

So, you can't hear the existing turbines...

...but you are convinced that you will hear the proposed turbine? Have you been to the Roxbury area yet? You might have a better idea of the sound possibilities if you check out these turbines. I have been within 2,000 ft, within 1,000 ft, within 500 ft, and have yet to hear a 'thumming'. You should do some research in person, sure beats watching a film of a New York site.

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have you seen the film?

I have heard them in several different locations. One of them being on Route 6 in Lincoln Maine. I heard the thumming and thumping and saw the red flashing lights.

I heard them in Roxbury at the town office. I heard them on Art Lingren's tape that the DEP does not accept as data. I hear people describe the noise at Concord Pond and how the noise is reverberated in their radio and tvs.

Most of the noise you cannot hear, you feel.

WINDFALL movie sunday March 4, 2012 2 pm Dixfield High School.

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How appropriate that those

How appropriate that those industrial turbines look like barbed wire. These things are fencing off the airspace our raptors and migratory birds depend upon. Good-bye Virgil Cain, Maine's only documented golden eagle.

As for the slowly spinning blades, how much of a breeze does it take to move each seven ton turbine blade? Are those slowly spinning turbines drawing power off the grid to make them go round and round? Would it be possible to put solar panels on each of the blades to help turn them? Oh yeah, there's the renewables hitch with wind and solar. When the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow 28 miles per hour steady, no power gets produced.

Hydro power is the only workable renewable as far as base load grid supply goes. Small thorium reactors are the new green grid-scale energy producers, far less destructive than industrial wind, far less expensive and far, far more powerful.

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scam

Sunday March 4, 2012 1-5 pm Movie WINDFALL Dixfield High School

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Despicable

This is yet another despicable display of pro wind bias by LSJ. The wind industry guys really got to your editorial staff, didn't they? What about the photos of how badly blasted away and leveled Flathead Mt., Partidge Peak, and Record Hill are from this industrialization of the beautiful western mountains? What about a story explaining that these useless turbines will not produce even 30% of their rated capacity? How about an expose to the taxpayers how Angus King & Rob Gardner will reap 30% of the construction cost from ARRA scam and needed a government guaranteed loan in order to secure private funding? How about an investigative piece about the mysterious Bayroot/Yale University endowment connection for this project? How about interviews with the property owners of the Roxbury Pond campowners who now have to put up with their views and quietude ruined by these turbines and loss of property valuation and marketability of these properties?

On and on the questions can go! There are a multitude of issues surrounding this controversial project and others that the LSJ and other media refuse to investigate and report. You are quick to regurgitate the latest prpaganda from the wind industry and to push their agenda, helping the onslaught of wind power projects in the River Valley region. Shame on LSJ! Much sadness for ruination of Roxbury Pond's quality of place.

GARY SAVARD's picture

I drove by there yesterday,

I drove by there yesterday, (Wed. 2/15/2102), around 3 P.M. coming back from working in Rangeley and some were spinning very slowly while others were not spinning at all. No noise of course, but also little or no power production. Our tax dollars at work to make a few companies and individuals a lot of money. What a waste. To Mr. Woodbury I would say that ski areas aren't built on every mountain range in Maine with taxpayer funding and they bring far more economic return to their communities than these wind farms ever will. Maybe your bias is showing?

Alan Michka's picture

Oops, your bias is showing.

I'm wondering, if the photographer had heard the noise from the turbines, would the caption have read "...the blades spun noisily in a light breeze." My guess is, it wouldn't have.

And, did the SJ, by chance, ever publish any of the photos of the portions of mountain that were blasted away to build the Kibby project? Will it be publishing photos of the blasting on other projects such as Sisk Mt. - if it were to ever get built?

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I wonder...

...if the Sun Journal published pictures of the tops and sides of mountains that were blown away to create ski areas. Since anti-winders are always, day after day, hour by hour, month after month, year after year, complaining there IS noise, it is news when they find NO noise. Ergo, the headline. I have been to Mars Hill. I have stood next to wind farms that extend for miles along highways in the mid-west. The only noise I heard was the cattle grazing under the towers and mooing and the songbirds singing. But that, of course, doesn't count, does it Mr. Michka. Oops, your bias is showing.

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Deaf or a "Noise Denier"

Well, Mr. Woodbury, you are either deaf (sorry for your loss of hearing) or you are simply a "noise denier". Even AWEA speaks directly about noise on their website. The manufacturers like GE, Vestas, Siemens, et al put out voluminous information regardig noise from wind turbines. Yeah, I've been to Mars Hill, too---with a decibel meter that was registering between 46 and 58dBA on a day when wind speeds were below 20 mph (because the chairlift at Big Rock Ski Area is put on wind hold above 20 mph and it was running). BTW, that range of decibels is significant. Whether one uses the Loudness Multiplier Theory (Stevens) that says an increase of 10 dBA is a doubling of noise, or the more recently developed Amplitude Multiplier Theory (Warren) that says an increase of 6 dBA is a doubling of noise, the range I witnessed of 8 dBA is roughly a doubling of the audible noise. But I suppose as a wind cheerleader and "noise denier", you aren't interested in the science involved.

Regarding your absurd statement about blasting for ski areas, I know Sunday River about as well as I know the Rollins Wind project in Lincoln Lakes. The total blasting for anything to do with Sunday River's on-mountain infrastructure equals about the total for three turbine pad sites at Rollins (out of 40). I hike in the summer time all over the eight peaks of Sunday River and there are very few places where there has been blasting at all and it has been minimal. Ditto for Sugarloaf and Saddleback. Your statement " the tops and sides of mountains that were blown away to create ski areas" is simply not true.

The ski lift towers are so small they set on a tiny cement footing, maybe 4 ft by 4 ft. A 389 foot tall wind turbine with a 90 tom nacelle and blade require blasting 20 to 30 feet deep and up to a quarter acre in size to pour the footings that anchor a machine that experiences great torque 250 fett above. Go to www.windtaskforce.org to see numerous photos of blasting and foundations for turbines at Kibby and Rollins.

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I think it's wonderful...

...how you diagnose my infirmities never having met me. A sign of someone who is unsure of what he's saying is to begin by name-calling. I reported what I heard. You didn't like it. You wouldn't like anything anyone said about anything positive about wind power, which is approved by over 70 percent of the state's residents. You even become an apologist for the ski industry. You speak only of the towers, not the rape of the hillsides. And you've done a little building of your own - tunnel vision.

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Noise is Real

So, I got under your skin with my intorduction to a FACT FILLED comment? Too bad. You are the one who brought up the noise issue. I'll go one further on you. I have experienced first hand the visceral effects of low frequency wind turbine noise, something the industry denies while readily documenting audible noise.

Here is a challenge for you. I will meet you for two hikes in western Maine. We can hike the entire length of Sunday River's summits from Whitecap to Jordan and together we can document all the alleged blasting and leveling of the mountains that has occurred in developing the economic engine of that part of the state. Then our second hike can be from State Rte 120 in Roxbury Notch to the northern-most turbines on Record Hill and do the same documentation of the subsidy plantation known as Record Hill Wind project. In marketing, focus groups are used, so lets present the comparison to a scientifically selected, non-biased focus group and let them judge which mountains have been destroyed. Then just to make it interesting, we could add in increased property valuation, economic multiplier, permanent full time employment, etc.

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I have no doubt...

...the noise is real - TO YOU - but you're telling me I'm a liar even though I was there, in Mars Hill and at a couple of farms that went on for miles in the mid-west. That's OK. I'm a liar. See, I've reconsidered and you're right. We should cling to our dependence on foreign oil with our good friends in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and South Sudan. They will never let anything happen to us. That great power, the South Sudanese navy, will take care of keeping the Straight of Hormuz open, although I don't think our good friends in the mid-east would close it on us. Which is a good thing because South Sudan doesn't have a navy. I suppose they could fire AK-47's from shore, like Viet Nam. That would keep wars going, with is always a good thing for manufacturing. Not so good for our kids, however. Yes - dependence on foreign oil is a good thing. And please - no entreaties for hydro. That went by the boards 20 years ago.

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You definitely need to take a

You definitely need to take a field trip to Churchill Falls in Labrador. Take a tour of the hydro facility there. Everyone heats with electricity and it's very, very cheap. The power produced there lights up New York City. They're building a second dam on the Churchill to double their power output and are looking for buyers. Vermont signed an excellent long term deal with them. Maine can do the same. Maine was built on hydropower. It's very real and very powerful. We've had industrial wind technology since the 70's and look how far it's gotten us. There's a reason why these turbine parts from China are coming across the ocean on fossil fueled ships, not sail boats.

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How was the Churchill facility financed?

What did it cost the taxpayers? What is it costing the taxpayers today? Does that amount, plus the monthly electric bill, amount to a savings (very, very cheap isn't very definitive)? Where were the turbines made that produce the electricity? Did they come over from China on fossil fueled ships? Since the rail system across Canada was built by Chinese, I have to ask where the workers who built dam # 1 and are building dam # 2 are from. And the materials, as well. Since Labrador takes in bundles on money from Atlantic salmon fishermen, what was the cost of fish passage? Same questions for dam #2. There's also a huge dam on the Ottawa River west of Mattawa. As the crow flies, I believe it's closer to Maine. Wouldn't electricity from there be cheaper than Labrador? I don't know. I'm asking the expert. Maine was built on hydropower when? 1800's? Aren't many of those dams now considered outmoded and are being removed (Newport's city fathers removed one voluntarily recently). Edwards dam in Augusta? Winslow dam? I'm not an expert on dam removal, but I seem to read about them in the paper fairly frequently. The only recent dam I can recall being built is in Benton. I don't know these things, Ms. Gray. Enlighten me.

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The dam removal seems to

The dam removal seems to hinge on restoring the Atlantic Salmon run, an admirable cause, which brings to mind the Damariscotta River fish ladder that was built in the early 1800's by two neighboring towns to allow the alewives free run up to the lake. Back then it seems we were more connected to our ecosystems. That beautiful stone fishway is still functional after all these years and folks flock to it when the alewives are running. Fishways could have been built at all the dams but it was deemed too expensive and by that time we didn't care about the fish as much. Now we're starting to care again. The second dam on the Churchill at Muskrat Falls was very contentious, both for its cost to the tax payers and the fact that it's a very wild and beautiful area. This dam would be controlled by Newfoundland, not Quebec, which controls the dam at Churchill Falls, a very contentious arrangement. The dam at Churchill flooded an area the size of Rhode Island, destroying vast tracts of wild lands important to the wildlife and native peoples. Nobody cared. The east coast needed the electricity. There was money to be made. Fish passage? That's a joke. Nobody cared. A beaver dam is an engineering marvel, a thing of beauty that creates vibrant ecosystems and controls flood waters. A man made dam might be an engineering marvel but I think Ed Abbey was right about more than a few things and man made dams was one of them. When I was in Labrador for the tour of Churchill back in the winter of '91, the folks in Lab City paid an average of $100./month to light and heat their homes and the average winter temp was between minus 20 and 30 F. Very long cold winters.

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