L. Godin: Gay marriage issue again

Why wasn't I surprised to read in the Jan. 27 Sun Journal that gay couples are at it again? They are still trying for marriage equality. They cannot take "no" for an answer to the past two times they tried.

I believe there is only one type of marriage, which is also a sacrament, and that is between a man and a woman that the creator had in mind from the beginning of time, and for as long as the human race has been in existence. If He had other intentions, He would not have bothered in taking a man's rib to create the woman for procreation.

No matter how the odds might favor homosexuals at times, I hope that in November's election that the people of Maine will remain the only state in New England that doesn't allow gay marriage or civil unions.

Whatever religion people believe in, plus a few non-believers, we are all here because of our creator.

Give the Constitution a break, where many cry for their rights, and give a little more respect to the creator.

People are asking how come the world is in such a mess.

Many people live together these days, so why can't gay people be satisfied with that. They would be in style.

And why should homosexuals get the benefits that straight people receive?

Louis "Bert" Godin, Lewiston

Editor's note: Since July 2004, Maine's law recognizing domestic partnerships went into effect, permitting same-sex couples the right of inheritance within the relationship, among other things.

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Betty Davies's picture

I have no problem with gay marriages

My husband and I have several gay and Lesbian friends. We're Christians. We've been married about 40 years.

We have no fear of gay marriage. It doesn't seem like that big a deal to allow people to marry others of the same gender.

DONALD FERLAND's picture

The people using the

The people using the religious beliefs to bolster their argument against gay marriage are hypocrits. What happened to the biggest belief of all "God created all men to be equal" He does not see people as male or female, black or white, gay or straight. He just sees a person He created.

Get over it. If two people of the same sex want to get married to have the same benefits as two heterosexual people then that is their choice. What they do in their home and in their bedroom is no one else's concern. In fact there are many who would be surprised at what goes on behind closed doors in heterosexual relationships. Oh wait, I forgot, we shouldn't discuss the fetishes that people have, the sexual likes and dislikes of heterosexuals. The fact is there are many people in this world that would actually SHOCK people that take the word of God literally.

Steve  Dosh's picture

L. Godin: Gay marriage issue again

Bert , 12.02.27 14:34 hst • 
We don't believe there is only one type of marriage, which is also a sacrament, and that is between a man and a woman that the creator had in mind from the beginning of time, and for as long as the human race has been in existence. If (s)he had other intentions, (s)he would not have bothered in taking a man's rib to create the woman for procreation
We don't pretend to know anything about God other than God is Love
Q : Guess what we gave up for Lent ? A : Hatred and intolerance , bigotry and narrow mindedness
What if your child was gay or a lesbian , bisexual or trans-gender [ somewhat like Ron Reagan jr. or Mary Cheney ] ? Would you love him or her any less ? Of course not . It's ludicrous , Louis . Would you want them to be happy ? Of course you would , Robert . Equal rights , marriages and civil unions ? Yes ?
There is a fallacy in these emotional argumets y'all pose . A gaping hole
These people will all just go get married somewhere else whether you approve or not
Rev. Taylor's turn now
Love , Steve Dosh and ohana ; Ro-bert , Larry , Becky , and Drew
https://sites.google.com/site/thestevedoshpage/ God ƒearing Christians . ....

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

So, when Lent's over, hatred,

So, when Lent's over, hatred, intolerance, bigotry, and narrow mindedness will be o.k. again? Just askin'.

Jason Theriault's picture

Right on Bert. While we are

Right on Bert.

While we are at it, I want to bring up another issue of people disrespecting the Creator, and that is by consuming alcohol. It is clearly forbidden in the Qur’an.

Oh wait, not that creator.

Ok, how about people eating beef. The cow is clearly a revered animal, agreed upon in most Hindu texts….

Not that one either?

Ok… Shellfish and Pork?

Nope, ok, so just Christian religions… Gotcha.

Ok, well, in the United Church of Christ, they marry same gendered people.

This is why there is a separation of church and state. You are free to believe whatever you like. However, once you want to start making laws about stuff, you need to back stuff up with facts, not faith.

Chuck Gage's picture

Comment on the editor's note

"Editor's note: Since July 2004, Maine's law recognizing domestic partnerships went into effect, permitting same-sex couples the right of inheritance within the relationship, among other things."

True enough, but not the same legal rights granted by marriage. Briefly, civil unions are not recognized at the Federal level, not recognized by many other States, and not by other countries. So, Civil Unions are a far cry from being equal to marriage.

Mr. Godin asked why we cannot be happy just living together? Fair question, but the option to marry is not even on the table. That is not the case with straight couples. They can marry, or not. We have no choice.

Why should be get the same benefits? Why shouldn't we? Seriously, why should we not? That's a fair response. I'd like a justification as to why not.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You, as an individual, have

You, as an individual, have the same marriage rights as anyone else, until you cross the line of same gender nuptials. Therein lies the problem. It isn't really about marriage and love, and all that warm and fuzzy stuff; it's about money and benefits, right?

Chuck Gage's picture

Some of both...

It really is some of both. Any couple, straight or gay, can go to a church, have some kind of marriage ceremony without a state-issued license and that resolves the "pure love" and all that stuff. But, they won't be able to file jointly on their tax returns and issues of inheritance, child custody, and survivorship could be rather convoluted. There are plenty of churches out there who will perform this type of ceremony.

On the flip side, a couple (right now, just straight couples in most states) can get a state-issued marriage license, walk down the hall to a Justice of the Peace, and be legally married. In the standard JP ceremony, there is no mention of god or religion or any of all that. The JP performs the legal ceremony and the couple are married. That addresses all the legal issues such as tax returns, inheritance, and so on.

Most people opt for a traditional church ceremony where the preacher does his thing for the church and as the preacher is licensed with the State, he is acting in the capacity of an agent for the State, just as would be a JP. So, "two for the price of one" deal. All the state wants is that the parties agree to the marriage contract. The preacher doing his thing is sufficient in the eyes of law (presuming a state-issued marriage license first was obtained).

The end result of all this is that straight couples get to choose. Gay couples do not. While they can obtain a marriage at a church, it is not legally binding. Once the state changes the law to allow the issuance of marriage certificates, then the gay couple can be legally married, and optionally, married in a religious setting.

That's the long answer, but I think, just as is the case in most straight marriages, it is all about love, warm and fuzzy, but also about money and benefits.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Thanks for your insight.

Thanks for your insight.

Mark Wrenn's picture

why not?

"why should homosexuals get the benefits that straight people receive?" Why not?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"Glad us parrots don't have

"Glad us parrots don't have to go through this stuff" fumed the parrot who claims to be of 'multiple genders', whatever that's supposed to mean.
Rather than ask for a 'why not', Lil, why not offer us a convincing and compelling 'why'?

CLAIRE GAMACHE's picture

Gay marriage

A ceremony that occurs in a Church is a sacrament. When it occurs in a government office, performed by a government official, according to the laws of that government it is a government contract no matter what you call it. And it is a contract that can only be dissolved by the government. I know of no sacraments that occur in the legislature. They have a right to petition as often as they want because our form of government provides for majority rule and minority dissent. They have the same rights as straight people because they are citizens, voting, tax paying citizens all equal under the law. What the citizens of Maine need to decide is whether they have made the case that allowing them to form stable family units is more beneficial than not. And whether this is a right that all citizens should share or not. Personally, I don't believe that in a democracy you can single out a group of people for treatment that is "different but equal". History has taught us that it is never really equal.

Steve  Dosh's picture

Claire , 12.02.27 14:49 hst

Claire , 12.02.27 14:49 hst •
. ....Very well put ?
Positive change is in the air
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans
/s, Steve

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Sure hope so, doc. Gettin'

Sure hope so, doc. Gettin' tired of voting for this stuff practically every time there's an election.

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