L. Carrier: Vote Obama out

President John Adams once said that "facts are stubborn things."

If I remember correctly, the price of gas when Barack Obama became president was less than $2 per gallon. The price is now nearly twice that.

The national debt when Obama became president was several trillion dollars less than what it is today.

Everyone knows that the unemployment rate since Obama became president has been much higher than before he was elected.

Given those facts, why would a rational person even consider re-electing that man?

Larry Carrier, Sabattus

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Steve  Dosh's picture

L. Carrier: Vote Obama out

Larry 12.03.20 16:45 hst •
Q : Why would a rational person even consider re-electing that man? A : We like him . He hasn't spent a thin dime on his re-election yet
Santorum's nuts and Romney would - N O T - repeal RomneyCare® , er , ObamaCare® . Sorry . Harry Reid ( D - NV ) is a nice guy , too , but is not running for anything . He's a Mormon like Mitt and Mrs. Romney ( We wanna' know how a guy from Michigan got to be Governor of MA )
Macroeconomics 1 0 1 - As long as the Chinese want to hold greenbacks we'll print 'em . What's their currency again ? The Renabi ? The ¥uan ? They're still communist , Lar . No one wants their money . It's kinda' like the Russian Ruble , ¥en , or the Euro these days
The last balanced federal budget i can remember was under President & Mrs. Clinton . SECSTATE Billery for President in 2 0 1 6 /s, Steve & Alo'ha from Pahoa HI 96778 u s a

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

Won't happen, Steve.

Hillary wants a less stressful job, President of the World Bank, although that final word may be removable. She must be really tired of being SECSTATE to a POTUS who likes to mismanage foreign policy all by himself.

It's easy to balance a budget when the economy is roaring, like during most of the Clinton reign. It's not so easy when the economy is in the toilet. Ask any recent state governor.

Obama might get his hands dirty touching those dimes, so he has hired a bunch of folks to do it for him - his SuperPAC. You may not remember the long ago 2008 campaign in which he promised never to use organizations like that, but that may be the least of his broken promises.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

My SCOTUS ...

... did nothing more than undo the arbitrary changes your Congress created. What does a for-profit corporation have to do with a SuperPAC? Unless you're admitting the Obama SuperPAC is for-profit.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

SCOTUS may have changed something ...

... contrary to your wishes but, thankfully, your wishes have nothing to do with the wishes of the people. You brought up corporations, chump, but you can't defend your own silly positions. In any case, I would much prefer SCOTUS asserting its Constitutional authority over POTUS continuing to try to assert his unConstitutional authority.

MARK GRAVEL's picture

Larry, I agree with you. Now

Larry,

I agree with you. Now make way for the “blame it on Bush” crowd. Either way, the current state of affairs is testimony to Obama’s inability to effect policy that moves America in the right direction, no matter who you attempt to blame.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Because they have nothing to do with President Obama

or the implications are very dumb.
1. The price of gas has doubled while Obama has been in office. And the Winter was one of the warmest in history. So what. The price of Natural Gas is down even more between 2000 and now and and down 60% between 2006 and now. That and a quarter gets you a cup of coffee. The President has no power over the price of commodities except by reducing tensions in the world. So far he's done a good job of that. Its Iran that it ramping up tension on Wall Street speculators who are spiking the price as a result.
2. The national debt has increased several trillions of dollars. Good. The last thing this country needs NOW is a reduced national debt. Now President Bush more than doubled the debt, created the Great Recession, and promoted and implemented a range of new unfunded programs that will keep increasing the debt for another generation. You can't turn that around in one term. But President Obama has reduced Federal spending and the debt from what it would have been had the Republicans retained the White House and has proposed several budgets that would reduce the debt by $4 trillion over 10 years. He can't get them out of the House of Representatives because the Republicans are more concerned to defeat him in November than to solve the national problems they created.
3. The unemployment rate is also higher than when Obama took office. But the rate has been falling starting 2 months after he took office because of his successful Auto bailout and the stimulus package that reduced the Bush 780,000 job lose per month to now 24 straight months of employment growth.

A rational person not only will give Obama a chance to finish the work he has begun but also recognizes bankruptcy of the Republican programs that brought us to this dangerous situation.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You talking about the auto

You talking about the auto bailout that causes the govt. to pony up $7500 in federal credits to sucker people into buying Government Motors' $41,000 Volt?
Some of us are of the opinion that obama no more deserves a second term than Carter did. It his work happens to be unfinished, so be it.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

That's not the auto bailout

Subsidies for electric cars have nothing to do with the auto-bailout. My former boss got a very significant Federal subsidy for a Prius at least 6 and I think it was 8 years ago long before the bailout.
I know some of you are of that opinoin. The difficulty is finding some rational reason why. The Great Recession ended because of Obama's actions. Economic growth restored. Is the economy doing as well as we would like - No. The Republicans in Congress have been too significant a drag.
Unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ending, but not ended.
Healthcare - the most significant domestic national problem resolved. Not as I'd like it. Its based on private insurance companies and personal responsibility both of which will add to costs and undermine quality, but it does solve many of the most outrageous problems with healthcare - pre-existing conditions (including being a woman), lose of coverage of early 20'somethings, free (yes free) preventive care, etc, etc.
Did Dodd and Frank solve the criminal activity in the Financial Services sector - No. Have Bank Presidents been indicted along with Mortgage issuers, auditors, the ratings agencies, appraisers, etc - No. But its a start.
Do the Republicans have a plan, a philosophy, a set of options which will re-build the middle-class, restore national pride, re-establish America as the economic engine of the developed world - NO. They offer, "I fired them before I hired them" Romney and the three clowns. Not a detailed plan in the lot. And if you look at Congress the Republican plans are how we destroyed the middle class but only better in the future.
Am I optomistic - NO. Citizens United threatens the very foundations of our republican form of government. Its why Dodd Frank is enough, why the economy is growing slowly, why we may not solve the health care problem. Money is power not speech.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

If the recession ended, it's

If the recession ended, it's because the depression has begun. Phony economic growth is restored. How's your Solyndra investment?
Old wars ended, new ones beginning. Too bad the name Afrika Corps was already used.
Healthcare nationally is aiming to be more expensive everywhere than it is in Maine. We'll all be healthy bankrupts.
Frank and Dodd are two of the biggest criminals in recent decades. A good start would be indict them.
Republicans have put forth many plans, all roundly ignored by the liberal royalty in DC.
Recycling old, failed, far-left programs never solved anything, except for the employment status of old, failed liberals.

Jason Theriault's picture

This is good.

These type of posts make me chuckle. It's the pure, unadulterated blind faith that one side is wrong and one side is right that requires no thought whatsoever. You have stated no evidence, no reasons why. You have been told what to hate, and you ran with it. It reminds me of the novel "1985", how people wouldn't question what they were told, they just ran with it. Even if it blatantly changed the next day, doesn't matter.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

For the sake of factual

For the sake of factual accuracy, it was 1984.

Jason Theriault's picture

Blame it on a long day

Blame it on a long day.... I knew that. =)

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

My real concern was that

My real concern was that there was a sequel I might have missed. 0O:-)

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

There was

The 2010 Maine Republican Platform.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

It's the new math, Paul.

4 is 5, love is hate, war is peace, ... I believe he was fumbling for Orwell's word bellyfeel: blind, enthusiastic acceptance of an idea. There's plenty of that around today. Ask anyone who has a good, non-union position at the White House.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I remember reading that novel

I remember reading that novel by swimming pool at Helfrich Springs Apartments in Allentown, PA in 1971 or '72. 1984 seemed so far away then. Now, it almost seems like ancient history.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Dirty pool.

1. Evidence a depression has begun - none. Some one playing with the economic numbers? evidence None.
2. Solyndra investmnt. Let's see Romney was head of Bain Capital. He said some of his investments worked, some didn't. In fact taking risks is the root of capitalism. So taking pot shots at Obama over a failed investment is dirty pool.
3. Indict them for what. You don't even make a charge just an undocumented unsupported unspecific accusation.
4. Name one. I will; the Ryan budgets 1 & 2. Care to run on those. 1 got out of the House never made it the White House; never will. Both are political, economic, and social suicide. America as third world country.
5. Retreading worn out old right-wing failed policies ( please keep pushing no contraception, attacking porn, putting women back in their place) will thankfully get us to where we need to be Obama 55%, Romney 45%; US House D's-250, R's - 185, Senate D-61, R's-39. Which will give us 4 years of properity, economic growth, and legislation to protect each.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You want to see dirty pool,

You want to see dirty pool, wait'll obama takes the gloves off during the presidential campaign against his republican candidate and starts employing his Chicago style thug tactics. One thing the dems do is play dirty a lot better than the republicans. Don't know if it's lack of dignity or better street smarts. I can see it now; obama's playing the Mormon card and Romney's telling obama to prove he's not a Kenyan. Gonna be fun.

Jason Theriault's picture

It's going to be interesting.

It's going to be interesting when Obama turns on the campaign. He's been pretty quiet as there is no reason for him to jump in. They have been tearing each other apart, and if he jumped in, he would only legitimize the canidate he attacked. Plus, the republicans would shift their focus to him.

Romney has spent a ton of money, meanwhile, Obama has been fundraising(which he will need to be able to go toe to toe with the superpacs). Plus, since Romney had to go to the right to fight off Santorum and Gingrich, he is gonna have to walk those statements back when trying to win independents.

Hell, Obama will have to just run primary speach footage.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

So Jimmy Carter gets a third

So Jimmy Carter gets a third term, eh? We'll see.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Any rational working person can not justify voting for Romney.

Tax plan that wipes out the middle class and poor.
Wall Street economic plan - outsource jobs, fire workers, invest in Chinese, Indian, Vietnamese infrastructure, let America rot.
Social policies which will enslave women to an 1840's version of the family - end abortion, end contraception, end education for women (Romney will not want to do this but he'll have to give some meat to the insane Santorum wing of the party.).
Obama - 55%, Romney 45%.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Won't even be that close,

Won't even be that close, except that oBAMa will have to go back to 'organizing'.

Jason Theriault's picture

A couple of things

First off, polls are deceiving and really meaningless. You can get like 60% of the vote and lose(quick calculations - based on state populations and electoral votes) The key thing to look at is the polls in swing states. And lately, they do show a push for Obama because of women turning on the republicans.

Will that last? I don't know. Predicting elections is tricky even on the day of, let alone 6 months out....

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Obviously you are right very tricky

Lots of events could change everything - War in Iran as one little example. But right now 55-45% is pretty close. The Republicans War on Women is fundamental to their politics. Its really just their "pro-life", anti-abortion, 1840's family image, pro-fundamentalist religious bias. As time goes on and more and more Republican anti-women gaffes are made the number of independent women who support the Republicans will go down. If the economy continues to improve, the same is true. The two together are damning. Then insert Obama's 90-10 black and 80-20 Hispanic support and the Republicans start off way behind. Normally, a Presidential race would fall in the 53-47 range. But given the exposure the far right has gotten it could be a landslide. I don't expect because of the right's overwhelming money advantage so I'm taking a middle ground; 60-40 no 50-50 no but 55-45 yes.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Polls are liars' poker.

Polls are liars' poker. McCain/Palin were leading in several polls the day before the 'market' collapsed.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Aazing

"Chicago style thug tactics". Let's see. Jim Baker no Chicago style thug brings in Republican staffers from Washingtion with orders to stop the Florida recount by any means necessary - meaning riot and assault. Newsweek and Time carry cover stories on this illegal attack on American Constitutional Democracy. And you have the arrogance to talk about "thug tactics".

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Yes I do. You have no idea

Yes I do. You have no idea how far my arrogance will go when it comes to oBAMa. If there is an ounce of justice in life, he will be defeated in November.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

What you mean

Is the kind of justice that Trayvon Martin got in Florida.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Until I actually say such a

Until I actually say such a thing, don't even attempt to pin such an assanine insinuation on me.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Thought you did

Thought you did

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Now you're being cute. Really

Now you're being cute. Really beneath you, Jon.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Now you're talking like

Now you're talking like someone else we both know, who participates in many of these conversations.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Meet you in the welfare line

Meet you in the welfare line in 2014.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

You will be all alone

2014, I retire. Get my Social Security and Medicare the two most successful government programs in the history of the US. That and a small pension and a sizable 401(k) and I will be free to research the history of my country full time.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

Good luck.

Medicare is going broke faster than SS, which for the first time last year paid out more than it took in. Your pension and 401(k) will look a whole lot smaller when you have to pay into ObamaCare. When you have all that time on your hands, you'll be full time into rewriting history. Now it's only part-time.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Delusions

We do have to get control of medical costs - we need to expand Medicare to all American citizens. We know what Obamacare will do - its a Republican proposal passed in Massachusetts and has a clear record. It works.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Nice try, but I'll wait for

Nice try, but I'll wait for the next trolley.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I wish you well. You'll

I wish you well. You'll collect Social Security and Medicare long enough to witness their insolvency.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

Am I going to have to live as long as Moses

This is an example of the factual delusions of Republicans. If SS is not changed in anyway, it can pay 75% of stated benefits forever or as long as the US government exists (with a minor adjustment say a 1% or 2 full benefits for the next 75 years. I'll be 140.). Medicare does require some adjustment to survive past my 90th birthday. If we can get the Republicans out of the way, that's easy because the adjustment is minor.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Great, let's hope you and I

Great, let's hope you and I won't be among the 25% of benefit recipients who won't get paid.

Jason Theriault's picture

Children, children

First off, blame the speculators for driving the price up. Investment groups like Goldman Sachs are the reason prices jump like they do. But the reason prices are jumping around are two fold:
1. Iran. All this talk of bombing Iran, and Iran’s playing games in the Straight of Hormuz have driven up costs. Iran must love that the sanctions we placed on them, and tension we are helping create are driving up the value of their biggest export.
2. The economy is improving. Listen, I know a lot of you hate Obama, and don’t want to give him credit for the economy improving. That’s fine. I think he helped, but that’s an opinion. However, it is improving. We never double dipped, GDP is growing, and unemployment is decreasing. This means we are going to use more oil, which drives up the costs.

You can try and put this on him, and American’s might buy it. But I wouldn’t. Gas prices are volatile, and will come down this fall. I don’t know if I would hang my hat on that.

AL PELLETIER's picture

Crazy facts

Larry, my friend, gas prices in the beginning of 2008 (just before Obama was sworn in) hit an all time high of $4.11 in many states. Under $2.00 a gallon?? Where do you get your facts from, the National Inquirer? Curious minds would like to know.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

I remember those prices.

They were universally known as the Bush gas prices. Now we have the Obama gas prices, although he will try to blame Bush for this, like he does for everything else.

By the way, Al, speaking of facts ... Obama was sworn in in 2009, not 2008, when he was elected on 11/4, a date that shall live in infamy. And it's the National Einquirer, but perhaps you are using the new relaxed Obama spelling rules.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

I mean ...

... ENQUIRER. I have to clean my keyboard.

AL PELLETIER's picture

YUP MIKE

My keyboard (and spell check) is screwed up too. Thanks for correcting my time line but my message remains the same.

David A. Gagnon's picture

Poor danny,

all that you mention here was in place long before Obama took office. The winding down of Iraq was in place, the hunt for Bin Laden was in place and Al Qaeda was basically destroyed accept for a few pockets of resistance by the border and within Pakistan, before Berry took office. Oh have you noticed a rise in violence in both Iraq and Afghanistan as of recent. The famous MSM that you so believe in just wont talking about it. It wasn't good for the Dems and the Pres for them to do that. As for financial stability, the other shoe hasn't dropped yet. They are lying about employment by working the numbers. The markets are doing well by their own doing, for how long we shall see. Obama care is going to cost twice what he said it would and his policies have done nothing to spur job growth to the degree that we need. He plays the race card like tossing a deck of cards and will not denounce those who abuse females verbally because they donate large sums to his campaign and the abused are from the opposing side. How gallant he is. The man is a disgrace. Those of you who voted color instead of substance, still refuse to see it. I just can't believe anyone could be worst then the Peanut Man.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

C'mon, T... you can't be

C'mon, T... you can't be first all of the time.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Lighten up, T...I was teasing

Lighten up, T...I was teasing you. Where's your sense of humor? This is a forum of ideas and opinions; doesn't have to be a torture chamber.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The Food Stamp Man is making

The Food Stamp Man is making the Peanut Man look awfully good these days.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

I couldn't agree more

George Bush the President who expanded Food Stamps more than any other President in history, caused the second worst Recession in history, and discredited America throughout the world certainly will challenge for the worst President in American history.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

No doubt, but between obama

No doubt, but between obama and carter, he isn't even in the running, yet. Bush may have expanded food stamps more than any other president up to his time, but obama has far exceeded what bush did. And, like it or not, this is now obama's recession, no longer bush's. These gas pump prices are obama's not bush's. We can beat it all day long, Jon, but the long and short of it is that the two party political system no longer works; it's failing us, mainly because of constant and endless political bickering. And if you can't agree on that, I'M walking the plank.

Jonathan Albrecht's picture

"but obama has far exceeded what bush did". Not true

Bush added ten's of thousands more than Obama has so far.
"...the two party political system no longer works; it's failing us, mainly because of constant and endless political bickering." I can't agree less. The elections of 1800, 1828, 1860, 1932, and 1964 were far worse in bickering. The issues far more strident. The fundamental problem is far too few of us pay real attention to political issues - too buzy with children, school, sports, smartphones, recreation, etc, etc, etc. We react by saying "would you guys just get it together so that we can ignore you until the last week before the election." Throughout our history the two party system has channelled major forces and ideas into the most readily resolved options (even if civil war is one of them).
Today that is equally true. Should we proceed with globalization and the empoverishment of the vast majority of our citizens as symbolized by the growing wealth gap or should we deal with it as a nation. Should we celebrate Randian radical individualism or national unity? Should we reward the privileged or provide opportunity for the deserving? That's the divide between the parties (along with do we protect patriarchal 1840's families or deal with the economic and social realities that have created the 2010 family). Those are issues worth deciding and a two party system facilitiates the decision.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

With those blue blinders on, ...

... everything looks wonderful indeed!

... We're out of one war - by declaring victory and telling all those who sacrificed that it was for nothing.
... leaving the other - by invitation due to the acts a very few lunatics and low-lifes and zero US leadership.
... enabled democracy wins in the middle east - a couple of dictatorships shifted from one form to another. The only democracy in the middle east continues to be Israel.
... eliminated Osama - by sheer luck using the infrastructure created by the previous president.
... eliminated most if Al Qaeda - who moved to Libya to regroup.
... enhanced domestic security - by strip-searching little children and grandmothers.

Beware the Democrat middle finger. When Obama is not poking it in our eye, he's flipping it at us. The past 3.5 years have been the travesty, by acclamation.

Tony Morin's picture

More republican "facts". You

More republican "facts". You should consider writing a novel. I have to applaud you for your new picture though. Even though it has an image of the president in the corner, it's very left wingy.

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

The novel has already been written.

It's The Decline and Fall of the _______________. I can guess how you would fill in the blank.

The real flag was flown outside the Lake County Democratic Club in Florida a week or so ago. Someone photoshopped the flames in to make a point that I agree with - burn the face away and put back the stars.

Tony Morin's picture

All you can really see in the

All you can really see in the small version of your image is a burning flag. Love it. Dare you to leave it there for an extended period. Next we'll find you in Kennedy Park with your guitar singing protest songs.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Assuming your are correct in

Assuming your are correct in your assessment of the intent behind the logo, does the 1st Amendment no longer allow flag burning?

MICHAEL LEBLANC's picture

It's been there for 5 days.

You're the first to mention it. I'll change mine when you change the image of you with a condom on your head.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

LMAO

LMAO

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