L. Godin: Rights have to be earned

Christina Berry's response (March 3) to my previous letter of Feb. 26 against gay marriages asked what rights I had in being so harsh with my opinions.

I had asked to give the Constitution a rest, but that is what gave both of us the right to freedom of speech.

Berry suggested religion should be given a rest but, for some, religion has had decades of rest and it is time for people to wake up.

If members of the gay community are not pushing their views on the public, I would like to know what they call it, since same-sex marriage has been turned down before and they won't take "no" for an answer.

Give religion a rest? It is the creator who doesn't approve of gay marriage, and Christians should count themselves lucky for being alive.

If things keep going like the present, what will be next? Some male will come up with the idea of allowing men to have more than one wife? As long as the people involved agree to the arrangement since they are madly in love (with love being the key word), why not?

What a nice family atmosphere that would make, especially after children start arriving. Or does that happen before marriage now?

What a great soap opera world we are in. Who knows what love really is today?

Louis "Bert" Godin, Lewiston

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Steve  Dosh's picture

L. Godin: Rights have to be earned

Bert Friday 15:40 hst
A : God is Love :) Jesus ( that Jew ) taught us that . We do not pretend to know much about God other than that much . Holy Spirit ? Yeah , there is one
Get this , here's a guy who walked around with flip flops ( jap flaps - thongs ) on , long stringy hair & a beard , ate locusts ( grasshoppers ) and spent 4 0 days in the desert ( Lent ) and hung out with prostitutes , too . How many guys were in his gang ? i forget ( 1 3 or so ? ) An all male entourage it was ( except for the aforementioned prostitute , Mary Magdaline :) He was btrayed with a k i s s by a guy by the name of Judas ! Shocking . These guys used to sit around and talk story , drink wine , make jokes and such , probabaly discuss Mohummud's teachings - stuff like that
What does that have to do with same sex marriage ? Nothing . Same sexers will get married whether you approve of it or not
Love love whenever and wherever you find it and hate hatred and end bigotry
Happy Palm Sunday Weekand y'all
God's coming back and boy is she pissed Hahahah ! It's a joke , only a joke . Enshallah and O'ja'la to our Muslim friends . Shalom , Sha-Allah , Salem and Peace to all Jewish bre†heren and sisters
We worship the same one God
http://www.hawaiiantel.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9TQU7L80%40news.ap.o...
^^ A recent AP Story from Portland , Maine ^^ h t h /s, Steve

FRANK EARLEY's picture

We'll probably find out

I think if you take all the intelligentsia in the world and put them together, they will never be able to agree on the answer to a very simple question. Why doesn't marriage, gay or conventional work very well.
Oh there will be all sorts of theories and ideas, charts and graphs, but I wonder if anyone will hit on what I feel is the correct answer.
You see no matter how much you try to hide it, its so obvious.
Every single person on the face of the earth, gay or otherwise, has one fatal flaw. Everyone is different. No one has ever been able to come up with a machine that can match people together and guarantee it will work for life. With the way the world is changing, almost on a daily basis, how can anyone expect two totally different people being able to stay together for ever.
There are no guarantees in this life, hell, you don't even know if you'll still be alive tomorrow at this time, why should marriage be any different? Take what you have now, enjoy it now, because tomorrow it could all be gone.

JOANNE MOORE's picture

How about....

....How about giving homophobia a rest?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Sure, if homomania will stop

Sure, if homomania will stop trying to push its incessent quest for special rights down our throats.

RONALD RIML's picture

So since when

So since when is 'Equal opportunity under the Law' a 'Special Right??'

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

When the law has to be

When the law has to be changed to accomodate a certain special interest group.

JOANNE MOORE's picture

Do you mean....

....like when the law was changed so that people couldn't own slaves? Or when Maine changed the law to allow women to vote? Things like that?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

The have equal opportunity to

The have equal opportunity to marry under the law now, as it exists. They choose not to utilize the law in its current state and, in changing the ground rules, require new special legislation to accomodate their wants.

 's picture

that's the problem, you

that's the problem, you consider getting married a 'special' right. When do we stop giving hetereos 'special' rights?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Every homosexual and lesbian

Every homosexual and lesbian has the right to marry right now.

 's picture

not to the person they love,

not to the person they love, and you know that, you're just being contrary, It's the old 'I've got mine, screw you' attitude

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

If the one they love happens

If the one they love happens to be of the same sex, it requires special laws to make it happen, thereby the granting of special rights to homosexuals. It has nothing to do with my attitude. They are splitting the hairs of conventionality and expecting business as usual. Society isn't structured that way.
I suspect if I wanted to marry Rex, my Alaskan Husky, that also would require special legislation.

Jason Theriault's picture

So

So, you're comparing homosexuality to bestiality?

And by your same logic that homosexuals have the right to marry now, because you define marriage between a man and woman, it wouldn't be special rights for homosexuals to allow same sex marriages. Heterosexuals would also be able to marry people of the same gender.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

No, I'm not comparing

No, I'm not comparing bestiality to homosexuality. Your twisted mind did that, Jason. Homosexuals have the same rights to marry as you and I. That they have chosen to change the rules is not my problem.

JOANNE MOORE's picture

It is your problem...

...If you are having a problem with it.

Jason Theriault's picture

Well....

You're the one comparing marrying a same sex partner to marrying a dog. My twisted mind had nothing to do with that.

And that you don't want them to change the rules isn't their problem.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Would you feel better if I'd

Would you feel better if I'd wanted to marry my microwave instead of my dog? And, yes, if they're having trouble to get the rules changed, it IS their problem, not mine. I don't care if two guys get married or not. It's the two guys who CAN'T get married because of existing laws that have a problem with it. I could care less.

Jason Theriault's picture

Hmm.

Well, for someone who couldn't care less(I assume that's what you meant), you sure post alot about it.
Matter of fact, after they did get the law changed, here's one of your posts durring the people's veto ramp up:

By Paul St. Jean, verified user — Sat, 07/18/2009 - 09:28
AARRGH!!
How much longer we gonna have to put up with this nonsense? What will come after marriage?. We were told civil unions would not increment into something else, but here we are. Where does it end? Now, me parrot's asking me if he and his best friend Sluggo can get married. AARRGH!!.


So you do care, or at at least it looks like it to me.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Nit picking is the last

Nit picking is the last resort of the empty gun. Your correcting my 'could care less' was just that; nit picking. You know as well as I, that that expression goes either way almost on a 50-50 basis.
Secondly, going back 2 1/2 years to come up with my old post, tells me you care a heck a of a lot more about the same sex marriage situation than I do. And, in case you think I didn't notice; I don't believe that last sentence is mine, which would make your effort, taking artistic license of another author's work.Just so you know.
Thirdly,all of my posts on this particular page are responses beginning with Joanne Moore's mention of homophobia. As you should know by now, I don't start battles and seldom finish any, but I do engage in them when attacked.

JOANNE MOORE's picture

I stated....

...how about giving homophobia a rest. That was not an attack on you, unless you suffer from homophobia.

Jason Theriault's picture

First of all - I wasn't nit

First of all - I wasn't nit picking, I just included that to make sure that's what you meant. I didn't make that a central theme of my argument. I didn't say "He didn't use a contraction and got his negation wrong, so obviously his opinion on same sex marriage is wrong".

And I never said I didn't care. I do care. I don't like see people denied something without a good reason.

And lastly, the only reason I posted that post of yours was to prove that you do care. Post here, arguing with people, and brushing off their arguments by saying "I don't care" is a weak argument, and I wanted to call you on it. You do care. You oppose same sex marriage. If you really don't care, vote for it next November, and the gays won't bug you anymore.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

I don't care if two guys or

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PAUL ST JEAN's picture

You got me on the Sluggo

You got me on the Sluggo line. Damned if it wasn't in there. I honestly believe the parrot might've snuck that in there when I wasn't looking. It seems so sappy when your read it now.

JOANNE MOORE's picture

And you tell others to grow up?

I don't see anyone else here blaming a puppet or a make believe parrot or anything or anyone else for what they say. That is juvenile.

 's picture

enough, I forgot you'll go to

enough, I forgot you'll go to any lengths to rationalize your bigotry.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Enough is right...two guys

Enough is right...two guys I've never met can't get married to each other, so that makes me a bigot? Grow up for Heaven's sake.

JOANNE MOORE's picture

You don't have to know them.

Way back when, lots of people were against interracial marriage and there were laws against it. Time has a way of changing society. Those who cannot accept change are the ones who must grow up.

 's picture

I am an adult, and I realize

I am an adult, and I realize that adult decisions have adult consequences. About time you learn, that if you possess a bigoted mentality you are a bigot. If you're OK with that, so be it.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Yes, I'm absolutely o.k. with

Yes, I'm absolutely o.k. with that. And, if you're an adult, it's time you start acting like one. I've watched you in action for over two years, and everyone who disagrees with you on anything is called a bigot by you, so, frankly, T., your use of the term in this instance has no meaning at all. You call me a bigot? I wear it as a badge of honor, because I know it means nothing.

FRANK EARLEY's picture

I've said it before I'llsay it again

I am getting so sick of hearing this gay marriage argument. If two guys want to get married, go for it.
I know that in no way shape or form will it ever have any effect on my life. We all know of course how well conventional marriage is working. I don't know a single person male or female that hasn't been divorced at least once. Then there's the argument that everyone is spouting that anything but a marriage between a man and woman is wrong in the eyes of whatever god you represent. I have chosen to remain single, I'm happy, I enjoy a lot of things married folks can't. Does that make me wrong.
What I'm trying to say is get over it, we all have things we're upset about. I was really pissed off because Mopar built a 318, instead of putting the 383 in everything. I got over it. I didn't make signs and protest all over the place. Mostly because it really didn't matter that much to anyone else. Get my point?

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

"We all know of course how

"We all know of course how well conventional marriage is working."
Are we to take from this that two guys being married to each other can be the role models on how to really make marriage work, so that the heterosexual community can learn from it? The heterosexual divorce rate is so high because they've never had same sex marriages to use as role models? Doubtful.

Jason Theriault's picture

No but Gay Marriage won't ruin everything either.

I don't like pistachios. I obviously I don't buy them as a snack. I prefer beef jerky as my go to snack. And someone eating pistachios has no effect on my enjoyment of beef jerky.

Same with same sex marriage. How successful my marriage is has nothing to do with anyone but my wife and I, and same goes for how we raise our children. If you're looking for excuses or a boogieman to blame, same sex marriage is an easy target. But the fact of the matter is that numerous factors come into play, from increased independence from gender role to less societal pressure against divorce.

PAUL ST JEAN's picture

Super...I'll have the parrot

Super...I'll have the parrot put you down as 'undecided'.

Jason Theriault's picture

How about this

Stop worrying about how other choose to live their lives. God's has that covered. Worry about yourself and how you treat others.

Betty Davies's picture

Soap operas? Read the Old Testament

"If brethren dwell together, and one of them dies, and has no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry outside unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him as wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother unto her."

Deuteronomy 25:5.

The Bible says, in this passage--Men, if your brother dies, you must marry his widow. Women, if your husband dies, you must marry your brother-in-law.

Yet somehow this is not done these days, even though it's in the Bible. Reading the Bible (both testaments) and being Christians does not require us to marry our in-laws. Accepting gay marriage does not require Christians to become polygamists. Soap operas are not required.

RONALD RIML's picture

What's a matter Bert...???

What's a matter Bert...??? Ernie not yer 'Cup of Tea?'

Whatever floats yer boat......

 's picture

"If members of the gay

"If members of the gay community are not pushing their views on the public, I would like to know what they call it"

Mr. Godin, exactly what are you doing if not PUSHING your views on everyone else?

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